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Channel log from 22 July 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:24 | <TNKLTSP> I have complited the whole research on my USB storage problem
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| 02:25 | when the ltspfs (or fuse anyway) tryes to create a mountpoint
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| 02:25 | it gives the full access for the owner and some access for the owner group
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| 02:26 | but it cant resolve the owner group if it is default AD's "Domain Users" GUID 36669XXXXX
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| 02:26 | and that is why it return with error and doesnt create the mount point for AD users neither mount the devices
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| 02:27 | This propably isnt a bug, but it might be useful information, because it will affect allmost any AD + LTSP envinroment
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| 02:28 | (unless U have services for Unix or something similiar installed)
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| 02:30 | work'arounds:
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| 02:31 | change the primary group of users to something what FUSE can figure out
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| 02:32 | (maybe take the space out of "domain users" or use services for Unix to give them Unix GID or something) depends on the pam module that is used in common-account to get the account info out of AD
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| 02:32 | for example WinBind takes the Windows info, while LDAP takes the POSIX info it is configured to do that
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| 02:33 | another good work'around is to make somekind of login script to make the mountpoint for fuse, dunno if it could work but I will test it
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| 02:50 | <cyberorg> TNKLTSP, have a look at https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lbmount-perm.patch&package=LTSPFS&project=server%3Altsp
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| 02:55 | <TNKLTSP> I cant access the page
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| 02:55 | it prompts me to welcome page every time
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| 02:55 | ohh
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| 02:55 | <cyberorg> TNKLTSP, need opensuse login account
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| 02:55 | <TNKLTSP> now i got trought
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| 03:02 | <TNKLTSP> seems pretty interesting, unfortunately my coding skills are very poor. But one of my colleague will take a look at it
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| 03:02 | btw, is this patch the original or is it somehow modified allrdy?
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| 03:10 | cyberorg
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| 03:10 | do i get it right, that this is patch for my problem?
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| 03:11 | <cyberorg> TNKLTSP, no, this patch shows where the permissions for the mounts are set, solution to your problem is somewhere there
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| 03:11 | <TNKLTSP> ok, I just cant see any gid there
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| 03:12 | couple of uids thought, might have something to do with that too
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| 03:14 | <TNKLTSP> do U know where the ltspfs prints it's logs?
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| 03:14 | "Error: can't change ownership to %s: invalid uid\n",
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| 03:14 | this could be found somewhere
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| 03:14 | are they in the server or in the chroot?
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| 03:16 | <cyberorg> it should be in the server
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| 03:55 | <nathy> hello
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| 03:57 | I added a script to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d and added the line SCREEN_02 = nxclient.xinitrc
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| 03:58 | no I get the message SCREEN_SCRIPT not found
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| 03:58 | could you help me please
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| 06:24 | <nathy> hi
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| 06:25 | I added a script with the name nxclient.xinintrc to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d and added the line SCREEN_02 = nxclient.xinitrc to lts.conf
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| 06:26 | but now I get the message SCREEN_SCRIPT not found on screen 2
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| 06:26 | what did I do wrong? could you help me please.
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| 06:56 | <TNKLTSP> I dont know much about that subject but in general, is the script executable?
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| 07:26 | <The_Code> hi cyberorg
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| 07:30 | <cyberorg> The_Code, hi
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| 07:30 | <The_Code> i have a little question handling lts.conf parsing
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| 07:30 | <cyberorg> shoot
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| 07:30 | <The_Code> should we use the file specified in easy-ltsp.conf for parsing and deploying
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| 07:31 | or let user choose which one to parse and where to deploy
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| 07:31 | i am not sure what would be best
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| 07:32 | <cyberorg> default should be specified in easy-ltsp.conf, with option for user to open and save from/to other place
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| 07:32 | <The_Code> so seperate menu entry for user choosen, good
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| 07:33 | one other thing is how do we provide the lib i use for parsing (nini.sourceforge.net)
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| 07:37 | <cyberorg> we add that as a dep when packaging
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| 07:38 | <The_Code> it is not availlable as package in openSUSE
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| 07:39 | <cyberorg> The_Code, we'll add it to server:ltsp project
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| 07:39 | <The_Code> good
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| 07:48 | <cyberorg> The_Code, i dont see any source tarball download for nini
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| 07:49 | <The_Code> cyberorg: download the latest release, source and binarie are in there
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| 07:55 | <nathy> I don't have the file ltsp_functions. Why that. How can I create the file?
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| 07:55 | <cyberorg> The_Code, which nini.dll do you need?
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| 07:56 | <The_Code> the one for mono
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| 07:56 | Nini/Bin/Mono/1.1/Release
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| 07:56 | <vir_db> Hi all
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| 07:57 | i've a really stupid question, but i can't find the answare...
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| 07:57 | <cyberorg> ok, where is this supposed to get installed ?
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| 07:57 | <vir_db> how "big" can be an i386.img image file to work?
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| 07:57 | <cyberorg> /usr/lib/Nini/{all the folders} ?
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| 07:57 | <vir_db> there are some limits?
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| 07:58 | I think that a smaller image is more fast to boot...
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| 07:59 | <The_Code> cyberorg: one minute
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| 08:01 | <cyberorg> The_Code, it looks like other project just include Nini.dll in their own package, like http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/opensuse/10.3/x86_64/tangerine-0.3.0-145.x86_64.html
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| 08:02 | <The_Code> cyberorg: we should have it in our lib directory
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| 08:03 | <cyberorg> ok, so for now we add it to Easy-LTSP package, but that doesn't seem proper
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| 08:03 | <The_Code> yeah, for now i have to find out where mono looks for the libs which are not in a package
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| 08:12 | <cyberorg> The_Code, how is work going? havent seen any commits lately
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| 08:14 | <The_Code> cyberorg: it is working, i had to figure my way to parsing lts.conf, i now have it and integrate it in the menu, adding of tc's also coming, today
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| 08:15 | <cyberorg> great, i would like to try it before we meet again tomorrow for the meeting
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| 08:16 | <The_Code> give me 15 minutes and you can checkout a version with parsing and deploying
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| 08:34 | <The_Code> cyberorg: new state in repo
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| 08:36 | <cyberorg> The_Code, cool, Makefile?
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| 08:37 | <The_Code> i have one, but i am still working on it
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| 08:38 | <cyberorg> ok
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| 08:39 | <nathy> I don't have the file ltsp_functions. Why that? How can I create the file or where can I download it?
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| 08:44 | <cyberorg> The_Code, i got this when building "[Task:File=, Line=0, Column=0, Type=Error, Priority=Normal, Description=File '/home/Desktop/Nini-1.1.0/Nini/Bin/Mono/1.1/Release/Nini.dll' not found]"
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| 08:46 | <The_Code> cyberorg: ok, this shouldn't be, remove the reference to Nini.dll in the project, and add a reference to your copy of Nini.dll
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| 08:46 | <cyberorg> the path should have been /home/cyberorg/Desktop
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| 08:47 | <The_Code> that's the path where i have downloaded it to
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| 08:48 | <cyberorg> The_Code, where is the reference set?
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| 08:49 | <The_Code> in Easy-LTSP.Thin-Clinet-Configuration.Common there is a field References
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| 08:51 | <cyberorg> tons of Gtk.Tooltips is obsolete
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| 08:52 | <The_Code> 42 but i haven't yet found out how to set them in a different way
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| 08:55 | <cyberorg> be back in couple of hours
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| 08:55 | <The_Code> cu
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| 08:55 | <jorgezero> hi everyone... i have a question... can i create an diferent ltsp image from the server?
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| 09:18 | <epoxy|w3rk> jorgezero, as in... run debian etch as the server and lenny as the ltsp client os ?
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| 09:19 | brb
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| 09:24 | <nathy> hi.
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| 09:24 | I added a script with the name nxclient.xinintrc to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d and added the line SCREEN_02 = nxclient.xinitrc to lts.conf
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| 09:24 | but now I get the message SCREEN_SCRIPT not found on screen 2
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| 09:24 | what did I do wrong? could you help me please.
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| 09:27 | <Blinny> nathy: Did you rebuild the image?
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| 09:28 | <jorgezero> epoxy|w3rk: yes... something like a distro on server and other on clients...
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| 09:32 | <Blinny> nathy: Rebuild the image means ltsp-update-image --arch i386
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| 09:32 | <nathy> ok I will try that.
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| 09:32 | <Blinny> nathy: LTSP5 uses a compressed image. Any time you change something in the tree (/opt/ltsp/i386) you need to update the compressed image
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| 09:33 | <nathy> ok thanks
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| 09:37 | <Blinny> 'welcome
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| 09:37 | <epoxy|w3rk> Blinny, even with debian? i dont seem to follow the images steps due to debian using NFS, correcT?
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| 09:37 | (versus nbd
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| 09:39 | <Blinny> Oop, yeah. This is only for those distros using NBD/squashfs
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| 09:41 | <epoxy|w3rk> hm, i would definately like to try it out :) hopefully i'll have some free time in the future
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| 09:44 | any reason why debian has it and ubuntu does?
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| 09:44 | <gnunux> hi
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| 09:44 | <epoxy|w3rk> hi
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| 09:45 | <Blinny> epoxy|w3rk: You'll have to ask the Debian/Ubuntu guys those questions.
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| 09:45 | <gnunux> i'm searching a way to submit a patch for ldm, do you where I can propose it ?
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| 09:47 | <lejo> gnunux: via the mailinglist or via launchpad
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| 09:47 | <gnunux> on launchpad I can't do that "LTSP Manager does not use Launchpad as its bug tracker."
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| 09:48 | i'll tried to find the maillinglist ;)
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| 09:48 | <epoxy|w3rk> Blinny, really? i get the .deb from http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports ... i thought they would keep that tree near the same as ubunutu. i guess it has too many Debian people involved :)
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| 09:50 | <nathy> Blinny: did you ever tried to include nx to ltsp5?
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| 09:51 | I need it, because LTSP is very slow.
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| 09:55 | <lejo> gnunux well you can do it if you maintain your branch in launchpad
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| 09:56 | <gnunux> i'm writting a mail on ltsp-discuss list. It's easier for me
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| 09:57 | <Blinny> epoxy|w3rk: Sure looks new: "Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:17:56"
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| 09:58 | nathy: I'm not sure what you're asking..
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| 09:58 | <epoxy|w3rk> hmm/
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| 09:59 | <Blinny> epoxy|w3rk: Perhaps only the defaults are different.
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| 10:00 | <nathy> Blinny. I'm using LTSP. But unfortunately it is very slow. Somebody told me, that I should use nx. that ist much faster
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| 10:00 | now I found a lot of scripts for ltsp4.2 with nx. but not ltsp5
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| 10:00 | <Blinny> nathy: LTSP doesn't have much to do with NX.
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| 10:02 | <nathy> Blinny: http://www.telemedia.ch/publ/ltsp-howto.html
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| 10:02 | and then the point: Integrating FreeNX with your LTSP
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| 10:04 | <ogra> gnunux, https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk
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| 10:04 | <warren> very slow over what kind of network?
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| 10:04 | <ogra> gnunux, and https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
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| 10:05 | <nathy> warren: 3500Kbit/s down stream 500Kbit/s up stream
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| 10:05 | <ogra> gnunux, also if you want to reach the developers you should rather use ltsp-devel instead of -discuss ;)
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| 10:05 | <gnunux> argh
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| 10:06 | <Blinny> nathy: Do you see the section in that link that says you need "A 100MBit local network (switched if more than 2 users)"
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| 10:06 | <ogra> gnunux, if you create a branch in launchpad it has this nifty feature where you can click on "proposed this branch for merging" that will notify the people maintainng the trunk branch if you propose yours
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| 10:07 | <nathy> Blinny: yes I saw. But is there no possibility to use it with a slower connection?
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| 10:07 | what's about the point: Integrating FreeNX with your LTSP
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| 10:07 | <Blinny> nathy: Not really, no.
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| 10:07 | <ogra> nathy, ltsp is built for netbooting ... thats not really doable over internet
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| 10:08 | <Blinny> nathy: That doesn't have anything to do with LTSP.
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| 10:08 | <ogra> (beyond the fact that the connection speed will suck indeed)
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| 10:08 | <Blinny> nathy: The link in that section goes to a generic 'freenx for your debian server' page.
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| 10:09 | <nathy> Blinny: but there is written: Adding NX client as screen script to LTSP
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| 10:09 | <ogra> nathy, by whom ? :)
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| 10:10 | you can indeed use NX on your LAN ...
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| 10:11 | <Blinny> nathy: Those directions are for connecting an _already_booted_ thin client to another, possibly remote NX server.
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| 10:11 | <ogra> but getting that going over internet connections wil require a lot of fiddling ... and you should have the bootserver on the local network
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| 10:11 | <nathy> yes I have got a NX server
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| 10:11 | <Blinny> My head hurts.
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| 10:11 | <nathy> sorry...
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| 10:12 | I connect to the ltsp server over a vpn. then the image is booting
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| 10:12 | but on the same server is also a nx server
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| 10:12 | <ogra> epoxy|w3rk, debian and ubuntu have the same amount of devs on each side (one for each distro :) )
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| 10:13 | <Blinny> nathy: LTSP is designed to have a local boot/application server. Not over a VPN.
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| 10:14 | <epoxy|w3rk> hehe, i wasn't hating on the ltsp devs.. i was poking fun at the powers-that-be of the debian repo
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| 10:14 | <ogra> and yes, the trees are similar and should have a nearly identical version, but they also differ in distro specific setups and implementation ... if ubuntu was unmodified debian theer wouldnt be any point in calling it differently :P
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| 10:14 | <Blinny> nathy: You understand that LTSP changes almost ALL the computer-to-local-hard-drive traffic and changes it to computer-to-networked-server traffic, yes?
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| 10:14 | <nathy> yes I understand this.
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| 10:15 | <Blinny> nathy: So, over a network it indeed will be very slow.
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| 10:15 | <nathy> but I need a solution, to connect to a terminalserver over a vpn with my speed
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| 10:16 | and I thought, I can boot with ltsp and then start the nxclient.
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| 10:16 | <Blinny> nathy: You may do better booting from another media. Perhaps a CD if you can't use a local hard drive and OS.
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| 10:16 | nathy: You're basically asking for an NX setup, not an LTSP setup.
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| 10:17 | nathy: Boot using the hard drive, USB stick, or CD. Then, configure that client to connect, via NX, to your terminal server. I would suggest you take LTSP out of the mix altogether.
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| 10:17 | <gnunux> ogra: i can't find a way to "proposed this branch for merging", anyway, i've send a mail to devel list tomorrow. someone more inteligent could merging if this patch is accepted
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| 10:17 | <Blinny> nathy: Alternatively, configure a local boot/application server that isn't access over a VPN.
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| 10:17 | <nathy> I don't have a cd-rom in my thin client
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| 10:18 | doesn't work. but why not boot with ltsp and then start nx?
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| 10:19 | <Blinny> nathy: because you don't have a local LTSP server and you said earlier it was too slow to boot LTSP.
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| 10:19 | <nathy> no not booting is slow. working on it is slow
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| 10:19 | only the gui is too slow
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| 10:21 | <_l0l0_> hi
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| 10:23 | <Blinny> nathy: I've never done what you're proposing. Do you have to run the NX client from the already-booted LTSP GUI?
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| 10:24 | <nathy> I will do the same think like in the link
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| 10:25 | or I just need a solution, that de gui is faster.
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| 10:25 | <Blinny> Perhaps you're trying to do something like this: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/freenx-knx/2007-October/005931.html
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| 10:27 | <nathy> yeah maybe this can help. thanks
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| 10:29 | <Blinny> nathy: Like I said I haven't done what you're trying to do, but I'd love to know how it works out. Give a yell if you get stuck.
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| 10:35 | <nathy> I will do yes
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| 11:16 | <cyberorg> The_Code, you are missing one autologin variable
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| 11:16 | <The_Code> which one
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| 11:16 | <cyberorg> The_Code, also add LDM_DIRECTX=true for bypassing ssh for X traffic
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| 11:17 | The_Code, LDM_AUTOLOGIN
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| 11:17 | <The_Code> cyberorg, for autologin
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| 11:17 | LDM_AUTOLOGIN is not shown in the dialog but added with true
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| 11:18 | <cyberorg> The_Code, i dont see it in lts.conf tab
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| 11:18 | <The_Code> cyberorg, sorry i can see it
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| 11:19 | <The_Code> cyberorg, sorry you can't see it
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| 11:19 | should look better when making a commit
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| 11:20 | <cyberorg> The_Code, this is what i see http://pastebin.com/db1d2760
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| 11:20 | this should default to SOUND_DAEMON = pulse
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| 11:23 | <ogra> this shouldnt be adjustable, really
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| 11:24 | <cyberorg> ogra, sound?
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| 11:24 | <ogra> if people really want he crappy esd or even worse nas they should do that manually
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| 11:24 | no, the daemon
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| 11:24 | <cyberorg> yeah, just enable/disable should be good enough
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| 11:24 | <ogra> adding something different than pulse will involve fiddling anyway
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| 11:24 | right
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| 11:25 | <The_Code> cyberorg, comitted the missing autologin stuff
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| 11:25 | <cyberorg> The_Code, ok, dont forget LDM_DIRECTX
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| 11:25 | <The_Code> as a checkbox for the section or in a task?
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| 11:26 | <ogra> make sure the user understands that this option drops nearly all security
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| 11:26 | <cyberorg> The_Code, i dont like all these checkbox visible, they should show up only when the task is added :)
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| 11:26 | <ogra> so call it something like "Enable insecure connection (faster)"
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| 11:26 | <The_Code> k will do so
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| 11:26 | <cyberorg> ogra, unfortunately it is only way to get acceptable video/flash playback
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| 11:27 | <The_Code> and leave out the sound daemon?
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| 11:27 | <cyberorg> The_Code, yes
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| 11:27 | <The_Code> fine will change that
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| 11:31 | <cyberorg> The_Code, easy-ltsp fails if the files it is trying to access is read-only, it should open it and allow user to save it somewhere else
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| 11:31 | <ogra> cyberorg, i know, but still, inform the user that he drops all security, thats very important
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| 11:31 | <cyberorg> ogra, of course :)
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| 11:32 | <The_Code> cyberorg, will change the openmode
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| 11:33 | <The_Code> ogra, i will provide the user with a nice warning dialog
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| 11:33 | <ogra> ugh
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| 11:33 | why do you need to throw a dialog in his face if you can just name the option right ?
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| 11:33 | <cyberorg> The_Code, on dialog please :)
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| 11:34 | <The_Code> i will name the option right but ask the user if he is really sure
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| 11:34 | <ogra> well, if he clicks on that option he very likely is sure
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| 11:34 | <The_Code> i am not sure my mom would be
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| 11:35 | * ogra is a passionate hater of "do you really want to do what you just did?" dialogs ... yes, damned i want, thats why i clicked it | |
| 11:35 | <ogra> thats so windows-ish ...
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| 11:35 | and one of the most annoing practices coming from there
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| 11:36 | <The_Code> ogra, you are right, but are you sure that everybody clicking on the option is sure
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| 11:36 | <ogra> i would assume so, yes
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| 11:36 | <The_Code> ok, no dialog then
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| 11:37 | <ogra> if she clicks it by accident its just one click more to disable it again
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| 11:37 | <The_Code> right
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| 11:38 | <stgraber> the only use for "Are you sure ?" is when the user can actually damage something (Like: "Are you sure you want to wipe your partition table ?")
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| 11:39 | <cyberorg> or launch a nuclear missile
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| 11:39 | <The_Code> ok you have one
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| 11:39 | won
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| 12:34 | <Blinny> cyberorg: You're assuming the person pressing the "launch missile" button can read.
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| 12:38 | <ogra> you just need a proper icon for it :)
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| 12:43 | <cyberorg> ogra, i've always seen a big red button just protected by flimsy glass cover with no warning
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| 12:46 | <ogra> cyberorg, thats from times before there were usability experts, nowadays such a button would have "destroy world" written on it and a nice exploding world as icon :)
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| 12:46 | <cyberorg> yey, HIG
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| 13:38 | <hallmant> Hi all. Quick question... how can I change the verbosity of the X server log on the thin clients? Our thin clients occasionally (randomly) get rejected by their X servers, and we're not sure why.
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> hallmant: are you using ldm?
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| 13:46 | <hallmant> gadi: yes
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| 13:47 | <Gadi> hallmant: well, you usually have 2 places to look for answers:
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| 13:47 | 1. on the client console, log in and check /var/log/ldm.log
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| 13:47 | 2. on the server, check the user's ~/.xsession-errors file
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| 13:48 | (this is if it happens to some users and not others)
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| 13:49 | <hallmant> Gadi: it does seem to happen to some and not others, but then again, it may not manifest itself in a way they'd see
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| 13:49 | (that is, it just appears that new programs won't open in x)
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| 13:49 | <Gadi> so, it is not the entire session?
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| 13:49 | <hallmant> So if you don't try to open a program, it doesn't happen
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| 13:49 | <Gadi> just certain programs within a session?
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| 13:50 | <hallmant> It's basically anything that tries to draw a window :)
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| 13:50 | <Gadi> ah - you mean, you open certain programs and it kills your whole session
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| 13:50 | <hallmant> Well... I'm not sure
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| 13:50 | it *seems* that it's not the program that kills it
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| 13:50 | But that something kills the session, and then programs fail to open
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| 13:50 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 13:50 | <hallmant> The real kicker is that after an arbitrary amount of time, it comes back!
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| 13:51 | <Gadi> do you use LDM_DIRECTX?
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| 13:51 | <hallmant> We've tried both
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| 13:51 | Same problem
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| 13:51 | That's why we wanted to try to increase the X verbosity... so that the server would say more about why it's rejecting the client.
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| 13:51 | (cause the server IS seeing the client's attempts, but suddenly doesn't like it.)
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| 13:52 | What we see on the user's end are a bunch of "Cannot open display" errors
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| 13:52 | I wrote about it in what looks to be a similar thread here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=446720&page=2
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| 13:52 | (I'm elwell642)
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| 13:52 | <Gadi> but, its not that a program cannot launch - its that it logs the user out, right?
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| 13:53 | <hallmant> No... it doesn't actually quit their x session
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| 13:55 | Yeah, all we see are weird errors about not being able to open the display
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| 13:55 | And the X server says, nuh-uh.
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| 13:55 | <Gadi> does it happen to all users - or repeatedly to some?
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| 13:57 | <hallmant> repeatedly to some (we *think*) But like I said, perhaps they all have it but just don't see it
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| 13:57 | We can't find any patterns in who has it and who "doesn't"
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| 13:57 | <Gadi> do you have processes that linger after a user logs out?
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| 13:57 | <hallmant> Actually... I have seen some
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| 13:57 | I haven't looked recently though
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| 13:57 | <Gadi> and do you have users that log in from different machines?
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| 13:58 | <hallmant> Rarely.
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| 13:58 | Okay, so a user just logged out.
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| 13:58 | <Gadi> ok - I have seen in the past wierdnesses caused by lingering processes, or files in /tmp
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| 13:58 | <hallmant> I still see a number of processes running on the server
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| 13:58 | <Gadi> especially when the user logs into a second machine
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| 13:59 | can you do me a favor?
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| 13:59 | try my script and see if it cures (or masks) the problem.
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| 13:59 | Ill pastebot it
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| 13:59 | !pastebot
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| 13:59 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 14:00 | <hallmant> sure
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| 14:00 | Well, it looks like all those processes are now gone (once the user logged out of his other ssh sessions :))
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| 14:00 | Some users in our setup *do* use other machines, but that happens very rarely, and doesn't appear to be the case here.
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| 14:01 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "save to: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ldm/rc.d/S15userLoginCheck , then reroll image, and add LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION=True to lts.conf" (80 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/36
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| 14:02 | <Gadi> hallmant: aside from that, is the display that it prints in your error message the correct one?
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| 14:02 | sounds as if something is messing either with the environment or the Xauth token
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| 14:03 | or something is being run under a uid that is not the user's
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| 14:03 | <hallmant> Good question. Not sure. How do I tell?
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| 14:03 | right
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> do you use local user accounts or LDAP or some other network auth?
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| 14:03 | <hallmant> LDAP
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> could be intermittent problems talking to LDAP
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| 14:04 | are your LDAP uids unique from your local ones?
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| 14:04 | <hallmant> What do you mean by local ones?
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| 14:05 | <Gadi> the ones on the server
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| 14:05 | in /etc/passwd
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| 14:05 | <hallmant> We only have one that we created there
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| 14:05 | (during installation)
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| 14:05 | <Gadi> good
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| 14:05 | <hallmant> Other than that, we use entirely LDAP
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| 14:05 | <Gadi> and you don't have ssytem users in LDAP, do you?
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| 14:06 | ie, users with uid <1000
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| 14:06 | (or <500)
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| 14:06 | <hallmant> I don't think so; I'll go check.
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| 14:09 | Ummmmm... how can I do that? :)
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> heh
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| 14:12 | if you type: getent passwd
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| 14:12 | you get the entire list of users
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| 14:12 | <hallmant> won't that show local and LDAP?
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> yes
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| 14:12 | if you do: getent passwd|more
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| 14:13 | you can go down to the end of the local accounts
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| 14:13 | then, the LDAP accounts start
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| 14:14 | <hallmant> Ahhh
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| 14:14 | However, they're not sorted by uid...
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| 14:14 | <Gadi> ah
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| 14:14 | <hallmant> (btw... what's the flag to update the i386 machines? I thought it was ltsp-update-image arch=i386, but that's doing the amd64)
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| 14:15 | <Gadi> --arch=i386
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| 14:15 | (you need two dashes)
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| 14:15 | <hallmant> ahhh
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| 14:15 | thx
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| 14:17 | <Blinny> Yikes!
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| 14:19 | <ogra> vagrantc, got another no from the other hostel ...
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| 14:19 | <joelkillspeople> hello. A buddy of mine pointed me to #ltsp due to some problems I'm having with openSUSE's kiwi LTSP release.
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| 14:19 | <hallmant> Gadi: I just loaded up a thin client with your script
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| 14:20 | * ogra points joelkillspeople to cyberorg | |
| 14:20 | <hallmant> And we found that there *is* an entry in LDAP with uid 0 (?)... but otherwise we're fine
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| 14:20 | <japerry> joelkillspeople: you can also look at #opensuse-kiwi
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| 14:20 | <joelkillspeople> thanks, ogra
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| 14:20 | <japerry> joelkillspeople: cyberorg is usually asleep by noon PST though. hes in india
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| 14:20 | <ogra> and what japerry said i suppose :)
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| 14:20 | <joelkillspeople> ok, I'll jump into the opensuse board
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| 14:20 | thanks
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| 14:21 | <ogra> if its a generic ltsp propb thats not kiwi realted we might be able to help as well though
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| 14:21 | <Gadi> hallmant: that *should* be ok (note: uid 0 == root, so your LDAP root user is overriding the local root user)
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| 14:22 | hallmant: not necessarily a problem wrt the issues you are seeing
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| 14:22 | <hallmant> I suppose the problem with testing your script is that we're not entirely sure what *causes* the issue
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> hallmant: right
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| 14:23 | <hallmant> Oh... which reminds me of why I stopped by in the first place :) How can we increase the X server log verbosity?
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 14:23 | its not an Xserver problem
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| 14:23 | <hallmant> And actually, the guy who told me that he was seeing that problem isn't here atm. Which file should I be looking at? ;)
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| 14:23 | but the server is rejecting the client connections, isn't it?
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> so, increasing verbosity prolly won't help
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| 14:23 | maybe
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| 14:24 | or maybe the DISPLAY error is a red herring
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| 14:24 | first check that the DISPLAY is correct
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| 14:24 | <hallmant> ah yes. How can I do that?
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| 14:24 | <Gadi> well, if you type "who"
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| 14:25 | you should see where the user is logged in from
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| 14:25 | <joelkillspeople> ogra: this seems to be specifically kiwi. I am running ltsp on a bunch of VMware consoles to ensure that it works with a bunch of linux iterations
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| 14:25 | and so far, this has been the most difficult
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| 14:25 | <hallmant> ah ok
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| 14:25 | very cool
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| 14:27 | Gadi: I ran 'who' on the server, and I see two entries for me: one at localhost:13.0, and the other at ltsp-ws-003, which is the DNS name for my terminal. I presume that at least one of those is the terminal window I'm using in the first place.
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| 14:27 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 14:28 | but, localhost:13.0 is your DISPLAY
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| 14:28 | (or should be)
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| 14:28 | <hallmant> ok
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| 14:28 | <Gadi> if you get an error about not connecting, it should be to there
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| 14:28 | <hallmant> And that's if I'm using LDM_DIRECTX, right?
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| 14:28 | <Gadi> no
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| 14:28 | <hallmant> (or NOT using it, that is...?)
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| 14:28 | <Gadi> thats if you are not
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| 14:28 | right
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| 14:28 | <hallmant> ok
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| 14:29 | <epoxy|w3rk> hm, where can i get more info on LTSP and booting via nbd? i'm booting via NFS (have squashfs in exports though?) on my debian installs and would like to look into it more... but i can't seem to get the right buzz words into google! or maybe i am thinking wrong :)
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| 14:29 | <Gadi> (anything localhost:X indicates you are using the ssh X proxy)
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| 14:29 | <hallmant> gotcha. That makes sense.
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| 14:29 | <japerry> epoxy|w3rk: nots ure about deb, but kiwi-ltsp uses nbd
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| 14:29 | and it works =D
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| 14:29 | kiwi-ltsp is opensuse
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| 14:30 | <hallmant> Gadi: So currently, I'm the only one using that. The other users are using LDM_DIRECTX, and yet we're both seeing the problem
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| 14:30 | <epoxy|w3rk> ah, i think i read that last week.
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| 14:30 | <ogra> epoxy|w3rk, you need the nbd, squashfs and unionfs modules in your initramfs ... and tell your initramfs to use nbd by setting BOOT=nbd
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| 14:30 | (in the config)
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| 14:31 | <ogra> we added code for aufs as well, but i cant tell if that works, never tested that
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| 14:32 | (i'll surely do from tomorrow evening on, since ubuntu doesnt ship unionfs by default anymore though)
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| 14:32 | <Gadi> hallmant: thats why Im not convinced it is a problem with the X server
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| 14:32 | hallmant: do you have tracker running?
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| 14:33 | <hallmant> Ummm... maybe? :)
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| 14:33 | <ogra> epoxy|w3rk, on the server side you need to have nbdrootd in your inetd.conf
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| 14:33 | <hallmant> yup
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| 14:33 | I do
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| 14:33 | <ogra> exports has nothing to do with it
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| 14:33 | <Gadi> hallmant: I find tracker is evil on a terminal server
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| 14:33 | <hallmant> Gadi: What is it?
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| 14:33 | <Gadi> I would uninstall it, personally
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| 14:33 | and kill all trackerd processes
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| 14:33 | it is for the deskbar applet
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| 14:33 | to quickly search your filesystem
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| 14:34 | <ogra> urgh, dont use tracker on ltsp :)
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| 14:34 | that can easily make your server die
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| 14:34 | <Gadi> it runs out of anacron, and therefore can go off even during the day
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| 14:34 | at random times
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| 14:34 | :)
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| 14:34 | it can easily cause other improtant processes to timeout
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| 14:34 | and therefore have some apps that don't launch properly
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| 14:35 | <epoxy|w3rk> alrighty.. i'll have to lookinto that when i have some time. thanks much!
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| 14:35 | <Gadi> in other words, apt-get remove --purge trackerd
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| 14:35 | :)
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| 14:35 | <cliebow> sudo apt-get remove cliebow
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| 14:35 | <hallmant> Gadi: hehe well, I'll go ahead and do that
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| 14:35 | <Gadi> also, pkill -9 tracker
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| 14:35 | :)
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| 14:35 | <hallmant> Who am I to argue with the LTSP gurus? :)
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| 14:36 | * Gadi hates the advent of tracker | |
| 14:36 | <epoxy|w3rk> ** devs :-)
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| 14:36 | <Gadi> evil tracker
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| 14:36 | <ogra> epoxy|w3rk, if you have a spare machine or space for a virtualbox setup, i'D suggest taking ubuntu and have a look at the differentces ...
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| 14:36 | debian and ubuntu share most of the code
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| 14:36 | but ubuntu defaults to nbd and debian to nfs
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| 14:38 | Gadi, it doesnt search your filesystem ...
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| 14:38 | it searches ~/ only
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| 14:38 | <epoxy|w3rk> ogra, is debian being it's usual slow to update, or was there a specific reason?
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| 14:38 | <Gadi> ogra: yeah right - it feels like it searches my underwear drawer
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| 14:38 | and not efficiently at that!
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| 14:38 | <ogra> (and constatnly monitors every change via inotify, which is teh massively evil part with multiuser systems)
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| 14:39 | <Gadi> its like something someone copied from Vista
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| 14:39 | its evil
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| 14:39 | <ogra> epoxy|w3rk, actually lenny will be ahead of ubuntu this time (until 8.10 releases where ubuntu will take over again)
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| 14:39 | <Gadi> lets write something that consumes a ridiculous amount of resources and blocks essential prcoesses
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| 14:40 | <epoxy|w3rk> ah,, the mystical lenny stable ;)
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| 14:40 | <Gadi> heh - lenny stable - didnt anybody watch the movie?
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| 14:40 | <ogra> yeah, vagrantc surpassed me :)
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| 14:40 | <Gadi> thats a total oxymoron
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| 14:41 | <hallmant> hahaha... so Gadi, how do you really feel about tracker? ;)
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| 14:42 | <ogra> didnt you get that he loves it ? :)
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| 14:42 | <joelkillspeople> ok, after visiting #opensuse-kiwi, I was pointed towards this site: http://www.fcdnet.org/japerry/2008/05/ltsp-kiwi-opensuse-11-novell-edirectory.html . Unfortunately, none of that is directly pertaining to the problem I am currently having. The installation seems a lot more straightforward than all that.
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| 14:42 | <hallmant> btw Gadi, what is it that your script does?
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| 14:43 | <joelkillspeople> it's serving up IPs ok, it's just tftpd that's giving me an issue :/
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| 14:43 | <Gadi> dude - if you can't find things in your closet, don't hire an annoying guy to rummage thru it 24/7
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| 14:43 | <hallmant> oh nm... I just rtfm :)
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| 14:43 | <Gadi> hallmant: heh - the chief objective is to limit the user to one session
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| 14:43 | it also kills stale processes
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| 14:44 | gotta go get the kids
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| 14:44 | good luck, hallmant
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| 14:46 | <hallmant> k. I'm gonna run too. Thx for your help, Gadi & fellow tracker-slayers
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| 14:46 | We'll see if this helps :)
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| 15:33 | <vagrantc> jammcq: i have no idea why, but for some reason i think friday night would be best for the brazillian feast
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| 15:40 | <ogra> sounds like
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| 17:10 | <warren> jammcq: how many more people on friday than sunday?
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| 17:10 | ogra: what is your plan to get to the airport tomorrow?
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| 17:10 | <ogra> i thought about leaving the office around 2pm
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| 17:11 | to have enough time to check in my bag etc
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| 17:11 | so i suspect i'll be there before you
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| 17:11 | and technically spoken i thought about a taxi
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| 17:13 | <warren> how much does a taxi cost from waltham to airport?
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| 17:13 | <ogra> no idea
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| 17:13 | i'l pay what it costs
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| 17:13 | oh, i'm not coming from waltham
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| 17:13 | <warren> ogra: you might save money if you go to alewife station instead, and you can take the subway (with one transfer) to the airport. I"m going that way myself.
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| 17:13 | <ogra> thats where my hotel is ... the office is in lexington
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| 17:13 | <warren> oh
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| 17:14 | <ogra> i'll take my stuff to the office in the morning and go to the airport from here
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| 17:14 | i'd guess 30-40 bucks
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| 17:14 | <warren> I guess RH forces me to crash on people's couches and take the bus whenever possible. =)
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| 17:15 | <ogra> heh, you need bigger customers :P
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| 17:15 | or less employees :)
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| 17:16 | canonical is still small enough for such fun stuff ... i dont wnat to see us at a 2000 employee level though
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| 17:18 | <warren> I think that's something we can both agree on. =)
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| 17:18 | <ogra> :P
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| 17:19 | earning as much as RH does with only 10% of the employment costs is a good thing, right :)
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| 17:20 | <warren> ogra: how much was taxi from airport to waltham?
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| 17:20 | <ogra> i think that was $40
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| 17:21 | or around that (a bit less iirc)
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| 17:21 | i simply dont want to have to carry my huge bag in a subway
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| 17:22 | <warren> true...
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| 17:25 | sweet, the weather looks nice and cool in portland
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| 17:25 | I wonder if I should take a coat...
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> warren: the cool weather is an abberation
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| 17:26 | expect hot
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| 17:26 | thankfully, not real humid
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| 17:26 | although i guess the abberation could last all during the hackfest...
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| 17:26 | * ogra hopes for some sun | |
| 17:26 | <ogra> the last days here were rather odd
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| 17:26 | <warren> too much sun
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| 17:26 | <ogra> even thought i'm already slightly tanned
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| 17:27 | sun ?
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| 17:27 | where did you have that ?
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| 17:27 | <warren> hmm, does yogurt survive freezing and thawing?
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| 17:27 | * ogra only saw thunderstorms since sat. | |
| 17:27 | <warren> ogra: 24/7 air conditioning, so I don't know =)
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| 17:29 | <ogra> heh
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| 17:29 | <warren> I see that openssh 5.1 was released today
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| 17:29 | <ogra> smoker see more of the real world, ask davidz :)
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| 17:30 | <warren> has anyone tried to backport the statvfs patch to openssh 5.0?
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| 17:30 | I wonder why/how sshfs has statvfs code if it couldn't possibly have used it before.
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| 17:30 | * ogra was told that 8.10 will likely get openssh 5.1 | |
| 17:32 | <ogra> as well as in debian experimental
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| 17:32 | scottie will be able to tell us if thats the code he actually proposed a year ago
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| 17:33 | <warren> cool
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| 17:33 | <ogra> wont you have it in rawhide to play with ?
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| 17:36 | <warren> yes, but I don't have rawhdie installed here.
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| 17:53 | <jammcq> hey all
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| 20:25 | <ace_suares> hey jammcq
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| 20:25 | hey all others...
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| 20:26 | I testeted my problem with ssh -X on 32bit hardy - same crash. So it's not 32/64bit related, but hardy related...
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| 20:30 | <vagrantc> !seen gadi
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| 20:30 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: gadi was last seen in #ltsp 5 hours, 46 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <Gadi> good luck, hallmant
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| 20:31 | <jammcq> hey guys
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| 20:32 | <ace_suares> jammcq
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| 20:32 | <jammcq> hey ace_suares
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| 20:32 | <ace_suares> read my last line ?
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| 20:32 | [21:26] <ace_suares> I testeted my problem with ssh -X on 32bit hardy - same crash. So it's not 32/64bit related, but hardy related...
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| 20:33 | <jammcq> yeah, hmm
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| 20:33 | <ace_suares> brrrr.....
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| 20:33 | i am up against the wall :-(
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| 20:33 | <jammcq> could be version of glibc or any one of a million other problems
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| 20:33 | <ace_suares> how can I listen in to the communication between the app and the X server ?
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| 20:34 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 20:34 | <ace_suares> I think glibc is not part of it isn't it ? You should be able to run an app on any X, reagrdless of glibc, isnt it ?
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| 20:34 | I mean, the app runs on the server not on the local machine ! Am I wrong !?
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| 20:34 | <jammcq> yes, you should
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| 20:34 | <ace_suares> so you know how I can trace the calls to the x server ???
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| 20:35 | <jammcq> so, you know for sure that win4lin is working on your dsl virtual machine, right?
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| 20:35 | <ace_suares> jammcq: yep, 100%... it also works via ssh -X on dapper...
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| 20:35 | <jammcq> ssh -X FROM dapper, but not from hardy?
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| 20:35 | <ace_suares> jammcq yep from dapper, not from hardy 32, not from hardy 64
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| 20:36 | but aterm or what have you work from both hardies ...
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| 20:36 | so if I ssh -X from dapper, I get the win98 and i can use it
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| 20:36 | if i ssh -X from hary32/64 it crashes.
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| 20:37 | <ace_suares> different xserver-xorg versions for sure! but ... damn WHY... !?
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| 20:37 | <kusznir_> Hi all: Quick off-topic question: I need to set up a "remote" speaker and microphone over the network between two linux endpoints. Can anyone here point me in the right direction?
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| 20:37 | <jammcq> hmm, maybe try turning off composit on hardy?
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| 20:38 | get your hardy X to be as simple as possible
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| 20:38 | <ace_suares> hmmm okay, could be... I will check.
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| 20:38 | <kusznir_> (i.e., I want to have computer a with a headset, and a mic and speakers on computer b, and have someone on computer A to say things that come out of computerB's speakers, etc.
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| 20:39 | <ace_suares> how do i check if composite is on or off ? I mean, I disabaled compiz onthe 64... same problem
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| 20:39 | <kusznir_> I'm asking here, as I recall LTSP working out some of these issues back in 4.2.
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| 20:39 | <ace_suares> and I don't think compiz is running on the 32... is that what you mean by composite ?
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| 20:39 | <jammcq> ace_suares: check your xorg.conf, see if it's loading the composite extension
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| 20:39 | <ace_suares> k
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| 20:40 | <jammcq> compiz is just the window manager
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| 20:40 | composite is an extension to the Xserver that's required for that to work
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| 20:40 | <ace_suares> jammcq grep -i compo /etc/X11/xorg.conf turen up nothing
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| 20:40 | turen ? turns...
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| 20:42 | <jammcq> nothing like this:
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| 20:42 | Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Enable"
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| 20:42 | EndSection
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| 20:42 | <ace_suares> default depth = 24 but that's on dapper too.
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| 20:42 | jammcq yeah so grep -i compo should have gotten that... I was sure that it wasn't enabled...
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| 20:42 | <jammcq> right
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| 20:43 | <ace_suares> if i'd had hair i'd pull it our right now :-)
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| 20:43 | <jammcq> heh
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| 20:43 | <ace_suares> well I have hair but just as a matter of speaking, dont want to hurt myself :-)
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| 20:44 | there must be some comminication between the app and my local x server, can I not listen in to that ?
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| 20:44 | is that all going via tcp ?
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| 20:44 | maybe i can tcpdump it ?
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| 20:58 | <ace_suares> jammcq can it have to do with that the homedir is mounted in two place (in the vm and in the host?) I'll try with out that.
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| 21:10 | nope. that wasn't it :-(
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