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Channel log from 7 December 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:20 | <mathesis> what is server package from debian/unstable?
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| 00:21 | what is server debian unstable for ltsp5?
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| 00:39 | <johnny> lnxnubie, ltsp isn't a centralized authentication solution, it's a centralized desktop solution (for the most part)
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| 01:16 | <sep> mathesis, your question was hard to understand, but i hope the answer is ltsp-server package?
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| 01:17 | <mathesis> i am remove ltsp-server and installing ltsp-server-standalone
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| 04:15 | <MasterOne> Damned, just recently I found a link to an edu-something site, which had the recent version of libflashsupport as a .deb package, but I am unable to find that site again. The version from vdbonline.net is over 1 year old, and a recent version is supposed to operate more stable. Anyone seen the site I mean?
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| 04:19 | <sep> libflash ?
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| 04:20 | you dont mean flashplugin-nonfree ?
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| 04:21 | <MasterOne> sep, libflashsupport is a lib you need to get audio working with flash-nonfree (at least in latest 7.10 *ubuntu versions)
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| 04:21 | same is for Edubuntu Gutsy LTSP5 server
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| 04:22 | I just don't remember, where I found that link to the mentioned download site
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| 04:46 | <ogra> MasterOne, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ ?
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| 05:04 | <MasterOne> ogra, there is only the link to that old version
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| 05:05 | found it again :)
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| 05:05 | rercola.acm.jhu.edu/packages/libflashsupport
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| 06:56 | <Joris_> I have something strange
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| 06:56 | in.tftpd[30024]: RRQ from 192.168.0.152 filename /ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.0\377
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| 06:56 | in.tftpd[30024]: sending NAK (1, File not found) to 192.168.0.152
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| 06:56 | some pxe cards have this problem
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| 06:57 | most don't
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| 07:00 | <mhterres> hey guys
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| 07:00 | <mhterres> sbalneav, are you there ?
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| 07:00 | :-)
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| 07:01 | I have a suggestion to LTSP 5
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| 07:02 | a little on
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| 07:02 | one
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| 07:04 | <vaisarger> ogra: I studied LTSPClientShutdownReboot... compliments for clever way... but, isn't there a multi-client problem?
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| 07:05 | <ogra> indeed, the fif would need to be named ...
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| 07:05 | *fifo
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| 07:05 | <vaisarger> yes
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| 07:07 | and... are you thinking about a frontend to "echo shutdown 1> ${HOME}./ltsp_socket" ?
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| 07:07 | <ogra> indeed i do
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| 07:08 | but tak to Gadi, he suggested to rather use xatoms via the ssh tunnel (i didnt talk furher to him about that) instead of havinf a fifo
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| 07:08 | *having
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| 07:09 | <vaisarger> For ltsp project, do you prefere a "gtk" frontend or is it ok also, e.g, xmessage?
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| 07:12 | <ogra> for ubuntu i perfer a proper integration with the desktop (patches to the logout dialogs of gnome and kde)
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| 07:12 | for upstream probably zenity or qtdialog would be good, no idea
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| 07:13 | <vaisarger> Acknowledge
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| 07:14 | may you explain a little "xatoms way", because I don't know about it...
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| 07:19 | <daduke> ogra: I get the 'failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied' message, but I cannot add the users to the fuse group (LDAP etc) - I found a workaround once, but cannot recall. Can you remember?
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| 07:21 | ogra: it's not chmod o+rw /dev/fuse, that doesn't do it.
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| 07:22 | <ogra> vaisarger, see http://ltspthinclient.blogspot.com/2007/11/local-apps-2-next-morning.html, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ltsp-localapps and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ltsp/+spec/ltsp-localapps
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| 07:23 | <vaisarger> ok... a moment please...
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| 07:31 | <vaisarger> ogra: but those links you gave me are about xatoms ?
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| 07:32 | <ogra> about the localapps implementation we will use at some point, pieces of it are implemented in xatoms ... read the docs (and code) :)
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| 07:33 | <jammcq> g'morning friends
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| 07:33 | <vaisarger> good morning
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| 07:34 | <ogra> hey jammcq
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| 07:35 | <vaisarger> ok... ltsp is "like chinese boxes"...phieww. So "fifo way" is deprecated?
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| 07:41 | <ogra> fifo way is a wrokaround for the time where we dont have localapps yet
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| 07:47 | <vaisarger> last question: in ltsp philosophy, what does it mean "chroot"? It's about client or server?
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| 07:47 | <ogra> chroot is the filsesystem thats used by the client
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| 07:47 | its usually the systemroot under /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 07:48 | <vaisarger> Understood. Well... in few days I go oh holiday, and I decided to not bring with me any PCs
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| 07:48 | *on
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| 07:51 | <vaisarger> I think I will not so "useful" to lts project until next year, even if it's an attractive challenge
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| 07:54 | <ogra> well, print out the docs and learn about it during your holiday ;)
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| 07:56 | <vaisarger> Eh, eh :) ... well... happy Christmas holidays to everybody... See you new year!
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| 07:58 | <ogra> see you
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| 08:38 | <fgiraldeau> hi johnny
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| 09:24 | <fgiraldeau> johnny: I did updated the bug report about the bad behavior I encountered yesterday
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| 09:24 | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltspfs/+bug/174585
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| 09:24 | <daduke> ogra: do you have some minutes?
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| 11:23 | <cliebow__> ¸.·´¯`·.¸ ><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸ rock'n roll ¸.·´¯`·.¸ <º))))>< ¸.·´¯`·.¸
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| 11:24 | <sutula> cliebow__: A bit bored today, are we?
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| 11:25 | <johnny> ogra, have you been familiar with virtualbox yourself?
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| 12:14 | <mathesis> hola vagrantc
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> buenos tardes
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| 12:15 | er
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| 12:15 | buenas tardes
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| 12:15 | er ...
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| 12:15 | * vagrantc forgets | |
| 12:16 | <mathesis> vagrantc, hay una imagen etherboot que sirve para todas las tarjetas de red
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| 12:16 | de un tal peter
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| 12:18 | <vagrantc> !bootfloppy
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| 12:18 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> mathesis: tengo un proyecto tambien: bzr get http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/netbootcd/
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| 12:20 | mathesis: pero, solo imagenes de floppy o CD
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| 12:20 | <mathesis> ok
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| 12:20 | voy a ver
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| 12:24 | <fgiraldeau> vagrantc: hi
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| 12:24 | Hope that you're fine
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> fgiraldeau: alright
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| 12:25 | <fgiraldeau> I would like to know if it's a feature, in ltspfs, that local harddisks are available?
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> fgiraldeau: yes, local hard-disks are made available.
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| 12:25 | fgiraldeau: there is a request to make that optional ...
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| 12:25 | <mathesis> vagrantc, no hay nada en tu netbootcd
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| 12:26 | <vagrantc> fgiraldeau: http://bugs.debian.org/432024
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| 12:26 | <fgiraldeau> Ok, I look at it
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| 12:26 | <vagrantc> mathesis: necesita usar "bzr"
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| 12:26 | <fgiraldeau> vagrantc: I tried something a bit wired and discovered a bug I think
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| 12:27 | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltspfs/+bug/174703
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| 12:27 | <johnny> yes..optional would be awesome
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| 12:27 | because i like it for some
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| 12:27 | and not others
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| 12:27 | on the public terminals it would be possibly useful
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| 12:27 | <mathesis> vagrantc, its boot with cd
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> fgiraldeau: i'm wondering if the device is maybe reporting a name with a space in it or something like that?
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| 12:29 | <mathesis> bzr: ERROR: Unknown branch format: 'Bazaar Branch Format 6 (bzr 0.15)\n'
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| 12:29 | <vagrantc> mathesis: lo siento ... necesita usar bzr 0.15+
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| 12:30 | mathesis: voy a subir a pastebot
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| 12:30 | <fgiraldeau> vagrantc: doesn't seems to. There is a file with env from booth add_fstab_entry that shows the variables
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| 12:30 | <mathesis> ok
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| 12:31 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "makenetbootcd" (142 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/384
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| 12:31 | <fgiraldeau> vagrantc: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10786682/env_add_fstab_entry.txt
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| 12:32 | <vagrantc> Gadi: do you still use ltspfs with rdesktop and such?
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| 12:32 | <Gadi> vagrantc: yeah, I actually got that going this past week again in ltsp5
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| 12:32 | with a little more hackery than inthe past ;)
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| 12:32 | <vagrantc> Gadi: ah good. i mentioned that recently in a discussion with ogra
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| 12:33 | <Gadi> I was emailing with a guy who was gonna work on it and then gave up and used autofs
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| 12:33 | but, I am partial to our own brew
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| 12:33 | :)
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| 12:33 | even if it does have a million layers of security reqs
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| 12:33 | ;)
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> http://bugs.debian.org/454478
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| 12:34 | <Gadi> glad to know my pocket-porn is safe
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| 12:35 | <mcfloppy_> cliebow_ are u here?
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| 12:36 | <Gadi> vagrantc: that's a lot of reading
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| 12:36 | :)
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| 12:36 | <fgiraldeau> vagrantc: gosh, ltspfs code is not the same in gutsy... I will look at debian-edu sources.
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| 12:36 | <vagrantc> Gadi: should we make a readers digest version?
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| 12:36 | <Gadi> prolly
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| 12:37 | <vagrantc> fgiraldeau: debian-edu's ltspfs is very old
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| 12:37 | <Gadi> I have taken to running some sessions on *my* TCOS as user rather than root, so I needed some additional hackery to get udev+ltspfs stuff going
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| 12:37 | <vagrantc> that would jsut be the tv-ication of bug reports
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| 12:38 | <Gadi> but, once you understand all the tokens and such, it becomes straightforward
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| 12:38 | <mathesis> vagrantc, i back
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| 12:38 | <vagrantc> Gadi: your TCOS ?
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| 12:38 | <Gadi> vagrantc: I add on to the LTSP chrrot a bunch these days
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| 12:38 | er, chroot
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| 12:39 | I pack it full of all sorts of fun things
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| 12:39 | :)
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| 12:39 | * vagrantc holds the use of the word traitor for another time | |
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| 12:39 | <Gadi> nah
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| 12:39 | I build off the base
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| 12:39 | but not all my users want to conect to a Linux server
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| 12:39 | <vagrantc> actually, i think tcos does some good stuff
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| 12:39 | <Gadi> :)
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| 12:41 | <Gadi> btw, vagrantc, while I have you, was the symlink betw /etc/mtab and /proc/mounts done for debian or ubuntu?
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| 12:41 | we are gonna want to get rid of that, if we can
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| 12:42 | not sure why ltsp-build-client sets that up
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i forget what even does it
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| 12:42 | <Gadi> its in ltsp-build-client
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| 12:42 | <Gadi> but, I'm not sure why
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| 12:42 | it causes some things to break - I guess most devs aren't expecting it
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| 12:44 | <janet> newb network question. I have all of my thin clients on 10.0.0.x they can all access the net just fine. I have a client that needs a windows box as well and if she is assigned a network address of 10.0.0.x she can't see the internet or ping the gateway 192.168.0.1 what do i need to change in my dhcp server to make her able to get out to the net but be in the 10.0.0.x network?
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i think it is because /etc/mtab needs to be writeable unless it's symlinked to /proc/mounts
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| 12:45 | Gadi: though i don't remember what all is affected by it
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| 12:45 | <Gadi> vagrantc: with unionfs, I guess that req goes away
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| 12:45 | <vagrantc> Gadi: for configurations using unionfs
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| 12:46 | <janet> i'm sure it's something simple... well i'm hoping it is anyway...
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| 12:46 | <Gadi> janet: You need to setup NAT on your server, and tell the thin client to use the server as the gateway
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| 12:46 | <vagrantc> Gadi: doesn't sound like fedora will use it, and it'll take a bit of work for debian to do so
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| 12:46 | <Gadi> vagrantc: ah, yes
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| 12:46 | * Gadi recalls that | |
| 12:47 | <janet> Gadi, the thin clients can access the internet just fine. it's the windows client that is assigned a 10.0.0.x ip that can't
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| 12:47 | <Gadi> perhaps a bind-mount instead then would be better
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| 12:47 | <janet> i'm on a thin client new
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| 12:47 | <Gadi> janet: right, but the thin clients' web browser is actually running on the server
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| 12:47 | janet: your Windows box is another level removed
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| 12:48 | you need to do the following:
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| 12:48 | 1. in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf set option routers <IP-of-LTSP-box>
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| 12:48 | 2. restart dhcp on LTSP
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| 12:48 | <vagrantc> Gadi: bind-mounting /etc/mtab doesn't really work, because then mount expects /etc to be writeable
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| 12:48 | Gadi: and tries to write /etc/mtab~
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| 12:49 | <Gadi> 3. on LTSP server, echo "1" >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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| 12:49 | (actually do that as root)
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| 12:49 | 4. (also as root) iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE -o eth1
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| 12:49 | 5. (as root) iptables-save
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| 12:50 | <janet> Gadi, in step 1 do i put the 10.0.0.x address of the server?
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| 12:50 | <cliebow__> sutula:heh..i got a bonus check from my boating job...seemed appropriate..
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> 6. (as root) edit /etc/sysctl.conf and set ipv4/ip_forward = 1
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> janet: yes, the th0 address
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| 12:50 | er, eth0
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| 12:50 | <sutula> cliebow__: I was wondering whether it was a "happy dance" :) ...well, good for you!
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> once you get all that setup, reboot the Windows box
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| 12:51 | vagrantc: gotcha
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| 12:51 | vagrantc: well, one thing that breaks is sshfs
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| 12:51 | for our LOCAL_APP idea
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> :(
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> so, we should find a solution
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> indeed
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| 12:52 | * vagrantc really liked the simplicity of the latest LOCAL_APP ideas | |
| 12:52 | <Gadi> also, maybe ltspfs - I forget
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| 12:52 | (ie when it runs locally)
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| 12:53 | <janet> thx Gadi trying it now.
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> janet: np
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| 12:53 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i'm sure ogra will happily remove the plugin that does the symlink for ubuntu
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> some of those steps were to make it come up again on reboot
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| 12:53 | vagrantc: thats ok - that's why its OSS
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| 12:53 | :)
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| 12:53 | <ogra> i think there was another reason we dont have it
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| 12:53 | (the mounted mtab)
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| 12:54 | * ogra checks | |
| 12:55 | <ogra> ah, right, we can chaneg that ... it was originally started by an initscript that also mounts tons of other filesystems (l-r-m for example)
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| 12:55 | *change
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| 12:56 | now it has an mtab.sh initscript on its own ... and apparently only tmpfs'es that dont eat ram in there
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| 12:56 | <janet> Gadi, do i need to restart any services on server after i add line to /etc/sysctl.conf?
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| 12:59 | Gadi, i am able to now ping 192.168.0.3 (server eth0) but not 192.168.0.1 (gateway)
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| 13:01 | <ltsppbot> "janet" pasted "Gadi, here is my dhcpd.conf" (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/385
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| 13:02 | <janet> eth0 on server 192.168.0.3 eth1 = 10.0.0.1
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| 13:03 | gateway is 192.168.0.1
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| 13:03 | client ip is 10.0.0.248
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| 13:05 | * ogra has a properly running libflashsupport that uses tls :) | |
| 13:05 | * ogra dances | |
| 13:07 | <Gadi> janet: somethings backwards
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| 13:07 | janet: do your thin clients boot from eth1?
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| 13:07 | looks like they do
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| 13:07 | <janet> yes
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| 13:07 | <Gadi> so, cahnge option router to the 10.0.0x eth1 address
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| 13:07 | er, 10.0.01
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| 13:07 | er, you know what I mean
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| 13:08 | <cliebow__> i dp
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| 13:08 | or do
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> then, we have to change some other things
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| 13:08 | retype that iptables command I gave you, but do -D instead of -A
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| 13:08 | then, do another -A one but with -o eth0
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| 13:08 | instead of -o eth1
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| 13:09 | (I was going under the assumption that eth0 was thin client subnet)
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| 13:09 | also, when you make the change to dhcpd.conf, restart dhcp
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| 13:09 | and once iptables works, do another: iptables-save
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| 13:10 | <janet> ok trying now
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| 13:11 | <janet> yay gadi's a genius!
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| 13:12 | <Gadi> nah, just a plumber
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| 13:13 | <mcfloppy_> cliebow_ you have n2200 or?
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| 13:13 | <cliebow__> yep..piles of em
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| 13:14 | <mcfloppy_> have u a ltsp 4.1 running?
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| 13:14 | * cliebow__ cliebow hides face in shame | |
| 13:14 | <cliebow__> yes
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| 13:14 | <mcfloppy_> can you give me the tarball?
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| 13:14 | <cliebow__> sure..just a sec
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| 13:14 | <mcfloppy_> i dont found it in the www
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| 13:15 | <cliebow__> 169.244.3.137/i386.4.1.tar.gz
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| 13:16 | http://
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| 13:16 | did you read the wiki?
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| 13:17 | <mcfloppy_> 105 mb?
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| 13:17 | <cliebow__> ummm
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| 13:17 | <mcfloppy_> partially
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| 13:18 | <cliebow__> yes about
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| 13:18 | <mcfloppy_> why do you ask?
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| 13:19 | <cliebow__> they are fluky..becasue the kernel must reside at the root of the chroot
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| 13:19 | you using gutsy..or ubuntu?
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| 13:19 | <mcfloppy_> debian etch
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| 13:20 | <cliebow__> the filesystem needs to go somewhere below the tftp chroot
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| 13:20 | <mcfloppy_> i know
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| 13:21 | cliebow_ are the n2200 fast?
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| 13:21 | at the moment i load the linux2200 with pxe into the netvistas and then i run a X -query server...
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| 13:22 | <cliebow__> not bad really..for a 200 meg client
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| 13:22 | host netvista1{
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| 13:22 | hardware ethernet 00:60:94:2a:89:fe;
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| 13:22 | fixed-address 192.168.0.19;
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| 13:22 | filename "/ltsp/i386/i386.4.1/vmlinux-2.4.19-LTSP-IBMNC";
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| 13:22 | option root-path "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/i386.4.1";
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| 13:22 | <mcfloppy_> with this setup you cant work. the mouse bucking and so on
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| 13:23 | <cliebow__> never any mouse bucking here...the video card can be flaky
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| 13:24 | <mcfloppy_> hmmm
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| 13:24 | but what is the difference? ltsp 4.1 also uses xdmcp, or?
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| 13:24 | <cliebow__> xdmcp
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| 13:25 | <mcfloppy_> what?
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| 13:25 | <cliebow__> uses xdmcp..
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| 13:26 | <mcfloppy_> ok... but why is the ltsp4.1 faster then the linux2200 version?
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| 13:27 | <cliebow__> i never tried linuxbios..
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| 13:29 | <mcfloppy_> cliebow_ can i simply untar the tarball in the tftpboot and config the n2200 clients seperate in dhcpd.conf?
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| 13:29 | cause i run also a ltsp 5.0
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| 13:31 | <cliebow__> yes...i think there is a kernel there..
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| 13:45 | <cliebow__> ogra:shouldnt be asny diff between a 2.6.14-22-powerpc built on a g3 from a g4??
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> sbalneav, ogra, warren, jammcq: i was debating weather the screen.d and ldm/rc.d scripts should be shipped with the packages that they're geared towards, or the package that they're written for
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| 14:22 | i.e. screen.d/ldm should maybe be a part of the ldm package rather than the ltsp-client* package(s)
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| 14:22 | <ogra> right
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| 14:22 | ldm/rc.d might get a bit trickier ...
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> ldm/rc.d/S10-delayed-mounter should actually be in ltspfs
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| 14:22 | <ogra> there will surely be scripts that apply generally
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> actually, all the current ldm/rc.d scripts seem like they belong in ltspfs
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| 14:23 | <ogra> i agree about delayed-mounter (even thogh scott had a dynamic solution iirc)
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> it just seems like if the required software isn't included, then best not have the script installed at all..
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| 14:23 | <ogra> i had one to disable compiz during gutsy develoment for example
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| 14:24 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 14:24 | <ogra> if people want to use my fifo approach in gutsy for client sutdown these scripts would go there
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| 14:24 | so i think we'll always have some that wont fit anywhere
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| 14:24 | <vagrantc> i'm not saying to relocate the scripts or their functionality, merely which package actually installs them
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| 14:25 | <ogra> right, i'm just wondering what to do with the ones we cant categorize
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| 14:25 | <vagrantc> leave them where they are :)
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| 14:25 | <ogra> hmm
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> like, the startx/xdmcp screen.d script (which i know is your favorite) is really part of ltsp ... though the ldm *might* make more sense in the ldm package ...
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| 14:26 | <ogra> it does ...
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| 14:27 | as long as we have the ltsp-client/-core split thats fine
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> well, i always had the philosophy that ltsp-client-core contained all the shipped code
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| 14:28 | <ogra> i mean because of the deps :)
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| 14:28 | <vagrantc> it's just which pieces get activated
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| 14:28 | <ogra> as long as i can depend on ldm they can be where they want ...
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| 14:28 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 14:31 | <ogra> sigh, oh how i hate autofoo
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| 14:32 | <vagrantc> what's bringing on the hate now?
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| 14:32 | <ogra> libflashsupport
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| 14:33 | packaging up the git stuff means auto$%/& involved
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| 14:33 | <johnny> poor autotfoo..so much hate
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| 14:34 | <ogra> HA !
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| 14:34 | * ogra thwaps autoconf over the head | |
| 14:34 | <ogra> got it :)
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> ogra: can i just push a branch to launchpad?
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| 14:34 | ogra: a new branch
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| 14:34 | or is there some other creation process involved?
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| 14:35 | <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainerHowto "Pushing the first version"
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| 14:36 | bzr+ssh://$USER@bazaar.launchpad.net/~$TEAM/$PRODUCT/$BRANCHNAME
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| 14:36 | if its your own branch TEAM=$USER
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| 14:37 | <vagrantc> ogra: thanks
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| 14:38 | <vagrantc> https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltspfs-trunk
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| 14:38 | <ogra> thats the new upstream code with all fixes ?
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| 14:39 | or just a copy of the one from scott ?
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| 14:39 | <vagrantc> it's the branch from sbalneav + some fixes
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| 14:40 | <vagrantc> i didn't merge the single-mount stuff, since it seemed like there may be outstanding issues
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| 14:40 | <ogra> ...
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| 14:40 | <mathesis> vagrantc, hi
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| 14:40 | <vagrantc> ogra: ... what?
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| 14:41 | <mathesis> no sirven mi unidad 3 1/2 "floppy"
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| 14:41 | <ogra> single-mount :)
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| 14:41 | <mathesis> pero la maquina tiene soporta pxe
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| 14:41 | <ogra> hmm
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| 14:41 | scott really needs to get more noisy in his entries
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| 14:42 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, i think the single-mount stuff is still better than what we've been doing... but i'm not going to commit them to the upstream branch without more consensus on the matter
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| 14:42 | ogra: changelog entries?
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| 14:42 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> otavio: i'm debating weather we should make a new upload of ldm (as a separate source package) to experimental or unstable ... since it will conflict with the current ltsp packages ... but if i upload ltsp without ldm, then ltsp will be broken ...
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| 14:45 | otavio: the other ugly option is to call the package names ldm2, and provide/conflict with ldm
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| 14:46 | <ogra> cant you just make a full upload f everything
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| 14:46 | ?
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| 14:46 | *of
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| 14:46 | thats what i did
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> ogra: ldm will get stuck in the NEW queue
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| 14:46 | <ogra> meh
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> indeed.
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| 14:46 | <ogra> how long does NEW take in debian ?
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> 1-4 weeks, usually
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| 14:46 | <ogra> ubuntu has a max time of two days ...
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| 14:47 | <mcfloppy_> back
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| 14:47 | <ogra> wow
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| 14:47 | <vagrantc> it's painful
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| 14:47 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:47 | <cliebow__> mcfloppy_, is it painful?
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| 14:47 | <mcfloppy_> cliebow_ the client run now with 4.1, but it is also so slow
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| 14:47 | damnit
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| 14:47 | <ogra> well, we have rotating archive admins every second day ...
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| 14:47 | <mcfloppy_> the 233mhz dell optiplex are much faster
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| 14:48 | and icant screw up to 1024x768
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> looks like nothing is much over a week at the moment ... so it's either recently been processed, or their doing relatively well
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| 14:49 | <mcfloppy_> cliebow_ how much ram have your n2200?
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> ogra: that's another reason why i'm resistant to adding ltspfsd-core ... though the main reason is i'm still not convinced it's really needed.
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| 14:50 | <mathesis> how can i allow boot wint PXE in dhcpd.conf
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| 14:51 | <ogra> vagrantc, we can have "ldm | whatevermariobuilds" in ltspfsd once he's done the split just makes it easier for devs
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> mathesis: paste your dhcpd.conf to the pastebot
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| 14:51 | !pastebot
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| 14:51 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> ogra: i'm perfectly happy with ltsp-client depending on both ltspfs and ldm
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| 14:52 | <cliebow__> mcfloppy_, 32 8~)
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| 14:52 | someare128
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| 14:53 | <vagrantc> ogra: the only main reason i see for the split is the udev rules issues
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| 14:53 | which may in the end convince me ...
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| 14:53 | <ogra> well, you make sure they are in nobodys way this way
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| 14:54 | <mcfloppy_> cliebow_ hmm i have 288mb
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| 14:54 | <mcfloppy_> but what is the bottleneck?
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| 14:54 | <ogra> if you want to use ltspfsd in a local loop or other werd stuff i bet that helps
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| 14:54 | <vagrantc> maybe
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| 14:55 | <fgiraldeau> vagrantc: I tried to add the ATTRS{removable}=="1" to udev rule to prevent static hard drives to be loaded, and it doesn't seems to brake cdrom
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> fgiraldeau: sure. but it would be nice if it were a configuration option for lts.conf instead
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| 14:56 | <fgiraldeau> I worked well. What was the behavior you got?
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> haven't tried it for a long time
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| 14:56 | <mcfloppy_> what clients work with ltsp 5.0, are cheap and slient?
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| 14:56 | <fgiraldeau> Yeah, I understand... Because udev rules can't load such variables, so we have to do it the add_fstab_entry script...
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> fgiraldeau: we could probably pass the ATTRS{removable} values into the *fstab_entry scripts
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| 14:57 | <fgiraldeau> yes, I will look to this side.
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| 14:58 | <ltsppbot> "mathesis" pasted "dhcpd.conf" (31 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/386
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> mathesis: ip de servidor es 192.168.0.1 ?
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| 15:02 | <mathesis> si
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| 15:02 | eth1 : 192.168.0.1
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| 15:03 | <cliebow__> see y'all from home
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| 15:04 | <mathesis> i have 2 dhcpd.conf
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| 15:05 | /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf and /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> mathesis: if there's no "include" line in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf ... then it only reads that one.
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| 15:05 | mathesis: which did you paste?
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| 15:06 | <mathesis> i want boot with PXE
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> mathesis: entiendo, pero ... cual archivo es http://pastebot.ltsp.org/386 .... /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf o /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf ?
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| 15:07 | <mathesis> /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> mathesis: grep include /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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| 15:10 | <mathesis> agrego include /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf en /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 15:10 | ¿?
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> mathesis: echo include '"/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf"' >> /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf ; invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
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| 15:11 | <ogra> vagrantc, never do that on an ubuntu :)
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> ogra: mathesis they're not on ubuntu
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| 15:11 | <mathesis> i have debian etch
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| 15:11 | <ogra> vagrantc, just wanted to point that out
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> ogra: well aware
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| 15:12 | <ogra> i grokked he wasnt on ubuntu :)
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| 15:12 | <mathesis> invoke-rc.d: initscript dhcp3-server, action "restart" failed.
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| 15:12 | <ogra> i think the host declaration should sit inside the subnet
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> mathesis: ve /var/log/syslog
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| 15:12 | ogra: maybe so ...
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| 15:12 | or just be removed
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| 15:13 | <ogra> well, just move the bracket and test :)
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| 15:13 | <ltsppbot> "mathesis" pasted "invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart" (21 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/387
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> mathesis: entiende que ogra dice ?
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| 15:14 | <ogra> woah ... cdbs automatically removes .la files :)
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| 15:14 | * ogra didnt know that | |
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| 15:15 | <ltsppbot> "mathesis" pasted "tail /var/log/syslog" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/388
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> mathesis: hay muchos problemas.
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| 15:16 | mathesis: paste /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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| 15:18 | <mathesis> ok
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| 15:20 | <ltsppbot> "mathesis" pasted "/etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf" (26 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/389
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> mathesis: no necesita la linea de: include
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| 15:23 | <mathesis> ok
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| 15:24 | <vagrantc> otra vez: invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
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| 15:25 | <mathesis> ok
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| 15:25 | ya se reinicio correctamente
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc> mathesis: ahora ...
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| 15:25 | bueno
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| 15:25 | <mcfloppy_> hmmm
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| 15:25 | what clients work with ltsp 5.0, are cheap and slient?
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| 15:25 | :)
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| 15:25 | again...
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| 15:26 | <mathesis> vagrantc, ahora yo quiero boot con PXE
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| 15:26 | * vagrantc gets free computers, but doesn't know about "slient" | |
| 15:26 | <vagrantc> mathesis: si ...
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| 15:26 | mathesis: olvida /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ...
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| 15:27 | <mathesis> ok
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| 15:27 | solo trabajo con /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf :) !!! ¿verdad?
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| 15:28 | <vagrantc> si
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| 15:28 | <mcfloppy_> vagrantc i mean fanless
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| 15:28 | <vagrantc> mcfloppy_: i think you meant silent :P
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| 15:28 | <ltsppbot> "mathesis" pasted "tail /var/log/syslog" (33 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/390
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| 15:29 | "vagrantc" pasted "dhcpd.conf solo con PXE" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/391
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| 15:30 | <mcfloppy_> vagrantc its up to you ;)
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| 15:30 | <mcfloppy_> but i want noiseless clients ;)
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| 15:31 | <vagrantc> mathesis: trata la nuevo configuracion
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| 15:31 | mathesis: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/391
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| 15:32 | mathesis: regresso en un momento
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| 15:32 | <ltsppbot> "mathesis" pasted "cliente ltsp" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/392
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> mathesis: necesita un nuevo vercion de PXE ...
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| 15:37 | mathesis: para la tarjeta
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| 15:37 | <mathesis> upgradear bios?
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> si
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| 15:38 | <mathesis> your bootcd?
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> es possible
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| 15:38 | <mathesis> how can i use bootcd?
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| 15:39 | <vagrantc> mathesis: makenetbootcd creates a cd image ... you burn it to a CD ... and boot with the CD
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| 15:39 | <mathesis> where i can download ?
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| 15:41 | <vagrantc> http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/ebmulti.iso
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| 15:41 | <mathesis> wow
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| 15:46 | <mathesis> vagrantc, para bootcd == la configuracion que floppyboot
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| 15:52 | <vagrantc> mathesis: ?
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| 15:58 | <mathesis> vagrantc, como puedo correr qemu+ltsp5
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> mathesis: /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/qemu-ltsp
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| 16:00 | it's possible to do a more complete emulation, but that tests the basics
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| 16:23 | <lns> wassup all
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| 16:30 | Is there a grub boot option in Ubuntu/Edubuntu Gutsy to boot the server kernel directly? I need this for correct hardware detection for my Proliant servers...
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| 16:31 | <vagrantc> lns: maybe ask in #edubuntu/#ubuntu ?
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| 16:32 | <lns> well, i guess it doesn't matter that they're ltsp servers... ;) ok
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| 17:20 | <mathesis> zodman, yo run qemu client under lstp?
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| 17:20 | *you
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| 17:20 | * vagrantc runs qemu clients under ltsp | |
| 17:21 | <vagrantc> though i'd say virtualbox is easier
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| 17:22 | <mathesis> vagrantc, how can i configure eth0, for rus qemu client under ltsp?
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> mathesis: /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/qemu-ltsp
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| 17:24 | mathesis: though, that doesn't actually test dhcp and tftp
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| 17:24 | mathesis: if you want to test dhcp and tftp and such, it's moderately complicated
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| 17:27 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "/etc/network/interfaces for qemu tun/tap setup" (15 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/393
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> mathesis: you'll have to change "vagrant" to your username, and set the ip address for your server
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| 17:28 | mathesis: this is on debian etch?
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| 17:28 | <mathesis> yes
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| 17:28 | i have debian etch
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| 17:28 | <vagrantc> mathesis: you can use the ebmulti.iso image to boot it ...
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| 17:29 | <mathesis> yes
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| 17:30 | <vagrantc> qemu -cdrom ebmulti.iso -net nic -net tap,ifname=tap0,script=/bin/true
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| 17:30 | mathesis: you'll also have to configure dhcpd.conf to listen on ltspbr0
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| 17:31 | oops
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| 17:31 | qemu -cdrom ebmulti.iso -net nic -net tap,ifname=ltsp0,script=/bin/true
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| 17:32 | <mathesis> no i have configure dhcpd.conf to lisnten en ltspbro
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| 17:32 | <vagrantc> ltspbr0
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| 17:33 | <zodman> im boot ltsp client with interface bridge
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| 17:33 | brctl
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| 17:33 | <vagrantc> yes, this uses brctl too
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| 17:33 | <mathesis> dhbrctl addbr br0
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| 17:34 | configure in dhcpd.conf ltspbr0
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| 17:34 | <vagrantc> mathesis: in /etc/default/dhcp3-server
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| 17:35 | mathesis: i would recommend to start out, use a different network for it
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| 17:40 | <vagrantc> mathesis: but it is much simpler to just use the qemu-ltsp script
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| 17:40 | <mathesis> se queda bloqueado
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| 17:43 | vagrantc, http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantallazowi4.png
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| 17:45 | <vagrantc> mathesis: configurar dhcpd.conf solo con PXE ?
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| 17:48 | <vagrantc> mathesis: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/391
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| 17:51 | <mathesis> asi lo tengo
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| 17:52 | <vagrantc> grep nfs /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 17:53 | <mathesis> DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp
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| 18:01 | <vagrantc> mathesis: ah, si.
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| 18:02 | mathesis: --rootdev=/dev/nfs
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| 18:02 | mathesis: qemu-ltsp --rootdev=/dev/nfs
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| 18:10 | <mathesis> ./qemu-ltsp -rootdev=/dev/nfs
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| 18:10 | qemu: invalid option -- '-rootdev=/dev/nfs'
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| 18:12 | <vagrantc> ./qemu-ltsp --rootdev=/dev/nfs
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| 18:12 | con dos '-'
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| 18:13 | <mathesis> ./qemu -rootdev /dev/nfs
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| 18:13 | <vagrantc> no
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| 18:13 | ./qemu-ltsp --rootdev=/dev/nfs
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| 18:14 | er
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| 18:14 | lo siento ..
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| 18:14 | ./qemu-ltsp --rootdev /dev/nfs
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| 18:16 | <mathesis> hay un cilco al configurar la eth0
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| 18:18 | <vagrantc> mathesis: cilco ?
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| 18:19 | <mathesis> al configurar la tarjeta de red le da otras ip
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| 18:19 | <vagrantc> no es posible con ltsp ... necesita usar "bridge-utils"
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| 18:20 | mathesis: ve http://pastebot.ltsp.org/393 ?
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| 18:21 | <mathesis> http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ciclori1.png
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| 18:22 | <vagrantc> mathesis: ah, si ...
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| 18:22 | <zodman> mathesis: im back
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| 18:22 | <vagrantc> mathesis: en /etc/exports: /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async,insecure,no_subtree_check)
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| 18:22 | mathesis: invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server restart
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| 18:23 | <mathesis> ok
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| 18:23 | <vagrantc> yo olvido
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| 18:23 | <mathesis> vagrantc, en /etc/network/interfaces hay que meter las lineas que me pasteaste?
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| 18:24 | <vagrantc> mathesis: no es necesario con "qemu-ltsp"
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| 18:25 | <zodman> mathesis: problem with nfs mount ?
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| 18:25 | <vagrantc> mathesis: se usted quiere un otra via ... es mas dificil
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| 18:25 | <mathesis> cual?
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| 18:25 | <vagrantc> zodman: the qemu-ltsp script uses qemu's userspace networking ... which needs to use higher ports for nfs
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| 18:26 | <zodman> yeap
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| 18:27 | <vagrantc> but is otherwise much simpler to configure
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| 18:27 | <zodman> nfs need liberate permission to moutn with tahta higher ports
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| 18:27 | <mathesis> vagrantc, no te preocupes
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| 18:27 | solamente voy a boot con bootcd
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| 18:28 | <vagrantc> mathesis: entonces la via mas dificil ... :)
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| 18:29 | <mathesis> si
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| 18:29 | <vagrantc> mathesis: yo no hablo espanol suficiente para la via mas dificil ...
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| 18:31 | mathesis: configurar /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf, y qemu -cdrom ebmulti.iso -net nic -net tap,ifname=ltsp0,script=/bin/true
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| 18:32 | mathesis: solo un via ...
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| 18:32 | hay mucho
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| 18:38 | <zodman> well im go out
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| 18:41 | <mathesis> vagrantc, i have problem electric
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| 18:41 | :(
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| 18:42 | <vagrantc> electricidad?
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| 18:42 | <mathesis> si
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| 18:42 | at home
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| 18:43 | <vagrantc> you are somewhere else now
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| 18:43 | ?
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| 18:44 | warren: ok, now i'm a sucker. mkdst in path is great.
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| 18:44 | warren: i put it in ~/bin
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| 18:45 | <mathesis> vagrantc, ltsp funciona en VPN?
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> mathesis: creo que no ...
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| 18:46 | mathesis: es posible, pero malo
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| 18:46 | funciona malo ?
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| 18:47 | <mathesis> funciona malo? ¿it's questions?
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| 18:48 | <vagrantc> just asking for spanish help :)
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| 19:09 | <mathesis> :)
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| 19:12 | <otavio> vagrantc: upload both
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| 19:12 | vagrantc: NEW queue now is much faster
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| 19:12 | vagrantc: and unstable is know to be breakable sometimes
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| 19:13 | <vagrantc> otavio: upload both what?
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| 19:13 | otavio: oh, both ltsp and ldm ?
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| 19:22 | <otavio> yes
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| 19:22 | mathesis: no bein ;-)
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| 19:22 | mathesis: badly
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| 19:22 | :-)
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| 19:23 | <mathesis> otavio, what is your languaje?
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| 19:24 | <vagrantc> otavio: well, i've got the packages mostly working ... though the still hasn't been a release ... i could just do what ogra did with ubuntu and make a snapshot release from bzr ...
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| 19:24 | <otavio> mathesis: portuguese
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| 19:25 | vagrantc: do that
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| 19:25 | vagrantc: people on sid is suppose to know how to survive to a breakage ;)
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| 19:25 | <vagrantc> otavio: but i'm excited to no longer treat as a native debian package :)
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| 19:25 | <ogra> ++
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| 19:25 | <otavio> vagrantc: yes! finally
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| 19:25 | ogra: :-)
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| 19:26 | * otavio been too busy lately | |
| 19:26 | * ogra curses shlibs ... | |
| 19:26 | <ogra> *sigh* i wanted to stop hours ago
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| 19:26 | <otavio> ogra: hehe i know the feeling
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| 19:26 | ogra: my gf just went home and then I come here to catch up with e-mails and go to bed.
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| 19:26 | <ogra> i'm so near the end wit that package so i want to see that last bit of success
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| 19:27 | <otavio> ogra: so I'm going to wake up early tomorrow to work
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| 19:27 | <ogra> yeah, i kow what you mean
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| 19:27 | <otavio> ogra: hehe I'm stuck with two blocker issues :-)
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| 19:27 | ogra: and both looks to go nowhere
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| 19:27 | <ogra> i'll finish my week's work tomorrow and will fly to spain on sunday to attend a meeting on monday and fly back on tuesday morning
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| 19:27 | <otavio> ogra: so tomorrow is going to be a busy day :-D
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| 19:28 | ogra: wow! that's really hot week
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| 19:28 | <ogra> i got such a week once a month in average
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| 19:28 | <otavio> ogra: i still want to get up with my backlog on d-i, apt, splashy and parted
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| 19:29 | ogra: have you noticed that dfb 1.0 went sid? it would be nice to ubuntu to move to it sonner then later
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| 19:29 | <ogra> dfb ?
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| 19:29 | <otavio> ogra: it has a lot of important fixed
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| 19:29 | ogra: direct frame buffer
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| 19:30 | <ogra> oh you mean d-i-gtk ?
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| 19:30 | <otavio> ogra: that'll be affected too
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| 19:30 | <ogra> i think we have a different way from debian to handle framebuffers ...
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| 19:30 | to keep suspend/resume working properly
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| 19:30 | <otavio> ogra: on usplash, there's
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| 19:31 | <ogra> so i'm not sure we will
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| 19:31 | <otavio> ogra: well ubuntu usually do not uses the gtk d-i frontend
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| 19:31 | ogra: that's not a big deal to you all
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| 19:31 | <ogra> we'll probaby switch at some point
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| 19:31 | <otavio> ogra: but for us, it's
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| 19:32 | <ogra> the server edition is being pushed a lot recently (now that we have a real server team) i suspect they will want eye candy as well at some point ;)
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| 19:33 | <otavio> probably
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| 19:33 | well folks, i'm going bed
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| 19:33 | was nice to talk to you all but i'm folling in peaces :-)
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| 19:34 | <ogra> enjoy your evening :)
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| 19:34 | <otavio> (or whatever way is the right spelling for it)
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| 19:34 | falling, I think
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| 19:34 | <vagrantc> falling to pieces
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| 19:34 | <otavio> ogra: thanks... enjoy your "tunnel end" :-)
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| 19:34 | vagrantc: thanks :-)
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| 19:35 | vagrantc: call it a night :-) (I remembered it)
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| 19:35 | <vagrantc> otavio: :)
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| 19:36 | <otavio> good night
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| 23:58 | <mathesis> !netbootcd
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| 23:58 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "netbootcd" is not a valid command.
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| 23:58 | <mathesis> !bootcd
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| 23:58 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "bootcd" is not a valid command.
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| 23:59 | <mathesis> !ltspbot bootcd
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| 23:59 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "ltspbot" is not a valid command.
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| 23:59 | <mathesis> !google bootcd
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| 23:59 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Search took 0.07 seconds: Ultimate Boot CD - Overview: <http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/>; Ultimate Boot CD - Download the UBCD: <http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html>; CharlesSoft - software you always wished someone would write: <http://www.charlessoft.com/>; Hiren's BootCD 9.3 - www.hiren.info: <http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd>; BootCD 0.6.4.1 software download - Mac (2 more messages)
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