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Channel log from 9 November 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:58 | <dhani> hello guys .. i wanna ask something .. is this ltsp-cluster howto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSP-Cluster enough for setting up very basic ltsp-cluster and running the client successfully? .. thanks
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| 09:40 | <zamba> i have a problem booting my clients.. on the ltsp server i see the warning/error: client does not accept options
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| 09:41 | when booting the clients are stuck at the ubuntu logo and the four (five?) dots moving
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| 09:41 | but nothing happens
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| 09:41 | this just started happening some days ago
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| 09:42 | <alkisg> !quiet-splash
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| 09:42 | <ltsp> quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
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| 09:44 | <zamba> this is what i've got: append ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash nbdport=2000
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| 09:44 | i should remove "quiet splash" there?
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| 09:44 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 09:44 | <zamba> ok, let's try
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| 09:44 | <alkisg> Distro/version? 10.04/
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| 09:44 | ?
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| 09:47 | <zamba> ok, that's strange
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| 09:47 | it gets an ip address from the dhcp server, contacts the tftp and starts booting
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| 09:48 | and then it looks like it want to get a new ip address, and that fails
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| 09:48 | udhcpc
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| 09:48 | requesting ip
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| 09:48 | doesn't work
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| 09:48 | <alkisg> It does want to get a new ip address
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| 09:49 | <zamba> but that fails, for some reason
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> Maybe you have 2 dhcp servers on your network?
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| 09:49 | And one is autoritative, and sends NAK messages?
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| 09:49 | <zamba> oh damn
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| 09:49 | how can i check that?
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> How many NICs does your LTSP server have?
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| 09:50 | <zamba> just one
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> !learn ipconfig as to fake a DHCP request from your LTSP server, e.g. to check if another DHCP server is present: sudo /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth0
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| 09:51 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 09:52 | <zamba> only got one IP-Config: eth0 complete
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| 09:52 | (from 192.168.1.1)
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| 09:52 | which is my dhcp server
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| 09:53 | <alkisg> And this is a different machine than the LTSP server?
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| 09:53 | <zamba> yup
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| 09:53 | <alkisg> And you have a DHCP server on your LTSP server as well?
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| 09:53 | sudo netstat -nap | grep :67
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| 09:54 | <zamba> nope
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| 09:54 | <alkisg> So the output of netstat is empty?
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| 09:54 | <zamba> yup
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| 09:54 | can i tcpdump for the broadcast messages from the client?
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| 09:54 | i have its mac address, so
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| 09:54 | just to see that the packets are actually seen on the wire?
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| 09:54 | <alkisg> OK, and in the ipconfig command above, you didn't get a line like this?
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| 09:54 | address: 10.160.67.130 broadcast: 10.160.67.255 netmask: 255.255.255.0
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| 09:54 | <zamba> nope
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| 09:55 | <alkisg> Try restarting your dhcp server
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| 09:55 | <zamba> address: 192.168.1.6 broadcast: 192.168.1.255 netmask: 255.255.255.0
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| 09:55 | got that
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| 09:55 | already done that
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| 09:55 | <alkisg> Ah, ok
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| 09:55 | <zamba> 192.168.1.6 is the ip address of the ltsp server
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| 09:55 | <alkisg> Because you said you only got one line
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| 09:55 | Please paste the whole output of the ipconfig command in pastebin
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| 09:55 | !pastebin
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| 09:55 | <ltsp> pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 09:55 | <zamba> http://pastebin.com/nmvVXXxs
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| 09:56 | <alkisg> No rootpath or filename there
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| 09:56 | <zamba> that's not strange
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| 09:56 | since this is the ltsp server
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| 09:56 | it shouldn't be booting off itself
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| 09:56 | <alkisg> It sounds like a DHCP problem, can you post your dhcpd.conf from your DHCP server?
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| 09:56 | <zamba> oh.. that's huge
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| 09:57 | <alkisg> Try this first:
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| 09:57 | !ipappend
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| 09:57 | <ltsp> ipappend: o temporarily solve DHCP problems in the initramfs, try putting IPAPPEND 3 after the APPEND line in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default. More info: http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/SYSLINUX#IPAPPEND_flag_val_.5BPXELINUX_only.5D
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| 09:57 | <alkisg> This should allow the client to boot, and will verify that you're having a DHCP problem
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| 09:58 | <zamba> so it's a new option
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| 09:58 | <alkisg> In a new line, ys
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| 09:58 | yes
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| 09:58 | <zamba> a new line
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| 09:58 | just ipappend 3, right?
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| 09:58 | <alkisg> Last line, IPAPPEND 3
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| 09:58 | <zamba> will try that now
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| 09:58 | reporting back soon :)
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| 10:03 | <zamba> hm, no
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| 10:03 | <alkisg> What did it do this time? Also, which distro/version?
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| 10:03 | <zamba> it went further, but when it comes to "starting ltsp client" or whatever it says, the screen goes blank
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| 10:04 | <alkisg> The client now doesn't get lts.conf
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| 10:04 | So it might be having X or other problems
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| 10:04 | <zamba> and is then black for 10-15 seconds, before dropping back to the screen with "starting ltsp client"
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| 10:04 | it's 10.10, maverick
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| 10:04 | <alkisg> But since it did went further, it's a DHCP server problem
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| 10:04 | Check your DHCP server logs etc
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| 10:04 | <zamba> i have
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| 10:04 | <alkisg> (and now you can remove the ipappend line)
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| 10:05 | <zamba> everything looks normal there
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| 10:05 | Nov 9 11:02:09 fused dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:06:5b:5e:e3:f9 via eth1
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| 10:05 | Nov 9 11:02:09 fused dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.1.43 to 00:06:5b:5e:e3:f9 via eth1
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| 10:05 | Nov 9 11:02:11 fused dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.1.43 (192.168.1.1) from 00:06:5b:5e:e3:f9 via eth1
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| 10:05 | Nov 9 11:02:11 fused dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.1.43 to 00:06:5b:5e:e3:f9 via eth1
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| 10:05 | oh
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| 10:05 | sorry
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| 10:07 | <zamba> tcpdump command to listen on the LAN for that mac address?
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| 10:07 | <alkisg> No idea, check the man page or try in #networking
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| 10:08 | <zamba> because this makes no sense, because all clients get the first ip address correctly
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| 10:08 | <alkisg> But usually the DHCP logs are a better source
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| 10:08 | <zamba> it's when they then continue booting stuff crashes
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| 10:08 | <alkisg> Note that client send a different vendor id from the initramfs
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| 10:08 | It's no longer PXEClient
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| 10:08 | <zamba> that should be no problem
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| 10:08 | the problem is that i don't see the dhcpdiscover at all
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| 10:09 | doing that now: tcpdump -i eth1 ether src host 00:06:5b:5e:e3:f9
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| 10:09 | and i see nothing
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| 10:10 | <alkisg> Btw, these clients worked fine till a few days ago, right? Did you change the chroot/initramfs since then?
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| 10:11 | <zamba> nope
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| 10:11 | ok, got some new info here
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| 10:11 | <alkisg> So that's another indication that it's not a problem with the clients or their OS
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| 10:11 | <zamba> i do in fact see the dhcp broadcasts
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| 10:11 | but for some reason my dhcp server doesn't respond to them
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| 10:12 | http://pastebin.com/feKc7ZXK
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| 10:12 | i see these every 2 seconds
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| 10:13 | but nothing going the "other way"
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| 10:14 | i don't get this
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| 10:14 | wth is going on
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| 10:14 | <alkisg> Try getting more info from your dhcpd server logs
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| 10:14 | It might have --debug options or something
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| 10:15 | I think 10.10 had a bug where udhcp sent an empty client identifier or something, and dhcpd had minor problems processing the request
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| 10:15 | (but not the symptoms you describe)
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| 10:15 | <zamba> Dropped DHCPv4 packet with zero-length client-id
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| 10:15 | got it
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| 10:15 | hehe
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> Right, but by default it doesn't do that (at least the dhcpd shipped with ubuntu)
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| 10:16 | <zamba> that's just beautiful the way you say that just then .)
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| 10:16 | so what do i do?
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> What did you change in the dhcpd side in the last days?
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| 10:17 | <zamba> nothing
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| 10:17 | this is a system that i rarely ever touch
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| 10:18 | but, that being said, there was a reboot 11 days ago
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| 10:19 | <alkisg> OS and version of your dhcpd system?
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| 10:19 | E.g. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=851333 says that a newer dhcpd version made udhcp not work
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| 10:19 | <zamba> debian squeeze
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| 10:20 | <alkisg> So if you updated your server at some point in the past, and only rebooted a few days ago, and it got a newer dhcpd, maybe that was the problem
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| 10:20 | You could manually backport the fix from newer ltsp versions
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| 10:20 | Or install a newer udhcp which doesn't have the bug
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| 10:21 | Or downgrade your dhcpd to the previous version
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| 12:14 | <Luizcezar> Hello ppl, can i block Youtube on terminals without using squid or disabling flash plugin?
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| 13:39 | <alkisg> Luizcezar: you can create an /etc/hosts entry on the server to map youtube to 127.0.0.1
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| 13:55 | <markit> hi, I've one that asked me some help, in his school has been installed edubuntu and has tons of problems. As far as I've understood, they have configured him Unity as DE, I remember that is not a good choice and a "fall back" something has to be used instead. Is something "automatic"? How can I tell him to check if he is using the right version and not the "power hungry" one?
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| 13:56 | (and gnome-fallback and unity-2d are two distinct things I think... which is the right one and how check?)
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| 13:57 | <alkisg> markit: hi, you're asked me something some days ago but I was too busy to even look at it... do you remember what it was?
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| 13:58 | Unity-3d doesn't work with LTSP, Unity-2D works, but personally I prefer gnome-fallback - not for performance reasons, I just don't like the Unity UI
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| 13:58 | <markit> alkisg: hi :) Yes, but I've solved, in short is that I've setup nfs share on the same pc I login, with it's private IP (exports bla bla, fstab 192.168.1.29...)
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| 13:59 | and with iftop I was sniffing eth0, but no traffic found
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| 13:59 | with loopback interface instead it works
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| 13:59 | <alkisg> OK
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| 13:59 | <markit> wondering how it can understand that has to route through loopback
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| 13:59 | alkisg: how can I tell my "friend" to understand what he is running, and how change one over the other?
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> Send him 2 links from google with pictures from both DEs
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| 14:00 | <markit> I mean, are both installed and is just a matter of switch, or is a package that needs to be installed?
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> I don't think that both are installed, but I'm not sure about it either
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| 14:00 | <markit> so you are sure that he can't be running "full Unity 3d"?
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> I think Unity-2D is the default - better ask in #edubuntu to be sure
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| 14:00 | In thin clients, yes
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| 14:01 | In standalone/fats, no
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| 14:01 | <highvoltage> markit: hey there. yes gnome-fallback is a much better choice for thin clients
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| 14:01 | <markit> ok, unfortunately he is too far from me to be able to go there and have a look (3 hours by car)
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| 14:02 | <markit> highvoltage: if I want gnome-fallback, is a package to install or a config in lts.conf?
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| 14:02 | * markit still struggling with KDE and nfs, so sad, hope to be able to do some more experiment this weekend | |
| 14:03 | <alkisg> markit: you can do remote support, you don't have to go there :)
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| 14:03 | !gnome-fallback
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| 14:03 | <ltsp> gnome-fallback: Unity, compiz etc are sometimes slow or buggy. To select gnome-fallback as your default session, install the gnome-session-fallback package, and put this in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback"
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| 14:11 | <markit> alkisg: yep, sure, but when they tell you "sometime they don't get the ip"
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| 14:11 | or "get the ip but don't load the OS"
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| 14:11 | or "is slow like hell"
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| 14:11 | be there helps a lot
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| 14:11 | I've already asked, they have epoptes installed
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| 14:12 | so is a good thing (I've to open the ports in my router though to let it work as remote help tool)
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| 14:12 | <alkisg> Sure you can't resolve all problems with remote support, but you can solve many.
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| 14:13 | <markit> yep, maybe I've to experiment a little with epoptes and this thing (so now I've the occasion) and write some blog article about it
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| 14:14 | btw, if something breaks, just removing "LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback" is enough, or that package removes some other when installed?
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| 14:22 | <alkisg> It doesn't remove anything, no
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| 15:38 | <markit> alkisg: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/GNOME-team-decides-to-drop-fallback-mode-1747238.html
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> Yup I pasted that link here yesterday
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| 15:40 | <||cw> at least they're drawing a line and standing on one side
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| 15:40 | unlike the great gnome-screen-saver scandal
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| 15:42 | <gvy> https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/
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| 15:43 | insanity galore
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| 15:43 | <||cw> I live the efficiency of GTK, but the gnome team really doens't seem to know where they are going
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| 15:44 | that blog gets me a DNS error
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| 15:44 | and now it loads
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| 15:46 | * Hyperbyte just read the ltsp-discuss message about PHP and /etc/passwd | |
| 15:46 | <Hyperbyte> Holy crap. :o
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| 15:46 | <||cw> what about it?
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| 15:49 | man sf's archives are slow
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| 15:49 | but from the subject, someone doens't understand permissions
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| 15:50 | <ogra_> well, just sudo chmod 777 /etc7passwd :P
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| 15:50 | <||cw> haha nice
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| 15:52 | <highvoltage> heh, you sound like the installation manual for a php app
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| 15:54 | <||cw> someone tell him about passwd <username> -l and a shell script that php can run via sudo, but using visudo and a nopasswd option on the script
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| 15:57 | <gvy> ogra_, and mkdir /My\ Documents, yup
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| 15:59 | <ogra_> hehe
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| 16:05 | * Hyperbyte waves back! | |
| 16:06 | <gvy> /nick waves
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| 16:06 | /me vagrantc
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| 16:16 | <Hyperbyte> 17:15 * There is no such nick waves
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| 16:16 | What's stopping you? :P
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| 16:25 | <gvy> Hyperbyte, being an lazy arse as old-times might know :b
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| 16:26 | <vagrantc> doh.
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| 16:55 | <vagrantc> maybe today i put ltsp on wheezy through some torture testing...
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| 18:03 | <markit> vagrantc: just curiosity, with xfce or what DE?
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| 18:05 | <vagrantc> markit: i mostly use LXDE
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| 18:05 | though i should also test with gnome, just to make sure, since it is essentially the default.
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| 18:06 | <markit> vagrantc: ah, isn't wheezy moving to xfce as default?
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| 18:06 | with gnome removing the fallback mode...
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| 18:06 | <vagrantc> would be news to me
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| 18:06 | ah, that
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| 18:06 | that would be wheezy+1
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| 18:07 | <markit> vagrantc: mmm maybe a rumour http://www.muktware.com/4087/debian-wheezy-may-ship-xfce-default-desktop-environment#.UJ1GQnKNNGE
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| 18:07 | <vagrantc> wheezy is in freeze right now, so no major changes
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| 18:08 | but if gnome is sufficiently broken, major changes might need to be considered...
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| 18:09 | <markit> :)
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| 18:09 | <vagrantc> oh, maybe it already has...
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| 18:12 | no mention of it in the tasksel changelog on wheezy ...
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| 18:12 | might have gotten committed but never uploaded
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| 18:24 | <||cw> interesting
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| 18:25 | <markit> I've to go, thanks bye :)
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| 18:43 | <vagrantc> !seen alkisg
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| 18:43 | <ltsp> alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 2 hours, 27 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: * alkisg gets drowned from all the waves...
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| 19:42 | <vagrantc> !ltsp-pnp
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| 19:42 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 20:45 | <vagrantc> hrm. ltsp-config dnsmasq is borked on wheezy... problem number 1...
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