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| 13:27 | <cryptrat> hi alkisg, i have a question, so i used the ltsp_fatclient=false for a diskless pc, and finally installed ubuntu desktop onto my server and ldm loads so its a working thin client
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| 13:27 | but does that mean that its using root instead of chroot image?
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| 13:27 | <cyberorg> cryptrat, fat and thin both use chroot image to boot, once you log in then the server's system(what you called root) is use
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| 13:27 | fatclient continue using chroot image even after log in
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| 13:27 | <cryptrat> ok thats what i was thinking
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| 13:27 | <cryptrat> thanks again for that setting, i never would have found it, because i hadn't seen that before and i don't think that was even in the lts.conf man page
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| 13:27 | and now ltsp-localapps works if i want to use them
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| 13:51 | <Hyperbyte> cryptrat, FYI, if you just do a regular install of Ubuntu desktop, install ltsp-server and run ltsp-build-client, you get exactly the setup that you have now.
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| 13:52 | The reason you don't find these settings, is because they're default. But since you've explicitly built a fat client image, or are not using the regular desktop version of Ubuntu, things are different.
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| 13:53 | So you had to tweak it a little to get it back to the default settings. :)
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| 14:13 | <cryptrat> well i started with server, which doesn't install desktop, so i had to use the --fat-client option when i built the client image to even get a fat client to boot,
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| 14:13 | <cryptrat> so the question is now that i have it back to the default settings if i want to modify the image, do i have to use chroot or just install software or change settings on root and then update the image
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| 14:13 | or would i even have to update the image?
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| 14:16 | <Hyperbyte> cryptrat, you don't have to update the image really. Unless you want to change something locally on the client.
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| 14:17 | Everything that needs to be changed on the desktop, you change on the local installation.
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| 14:17 | <cryptrat> ok so if i want the clients to have chromium i just install it to the local installation like i would normally
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| 14:17 | and they would see it after a reboot?
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| 14:19 | or if i wanted to connect to a network printer?
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| 14:57 | <Cyrius1234> Hi there! I have been messing around with several different thinclient setups in search of zero clients, ltsp was the first I tried but I felt that the OS was too heavy. After no luck with the other setups I think I will be returning to LTSP. Can you give me some examples of your configurations?
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| 14:57 | (OS choice most likely being my fault)
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| 15:24 | <Hyperbyte> Cyrius1234, hi.
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| 15:24 | !ask
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| 15:24 | <ltsp> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 15:25 | <Hyperbyte> You need loads of patience for this. :)
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| 15:25 | <Cyrius1234> I actually accidentally closed the window haha
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| 15:25 | <Hyperbyte> Start by explaining why you think LTSP is too heavy. Or rather, share us your experiences/problems you encountered.
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| 15:25 | <Cyrius1234> Every channel has the same message
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| 15:25 | The client was slow after startup
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| 15:25 | as in cursor drag
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| 15:26 | But I think it was my OS choice, used ubuntu
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| 15:27 | I think a better question would be how can I build a more minimal chroot?
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| 15:30 | <Hyperbyte> Cyrius1234, were you running thin or fat clients? And what are your hardware specs?
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| 15:30 | <Cyrius1234> I was pxebooting the system.
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| 15:30 | <Hyperbyte> Yes, naturally. That's what LTSP does. But thin or fat client images?
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| 15:31 | <Cyrius1234> just used default settings
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| 15:32 | unsure
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| 15:32 | <Hyperbyte> That should be thin clients. Meaning all software runs on one central server.
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| 15:33 | You can check by opening a terminal window from the Gnome menu, then see if the terminal shows the hostname of the local client (ltsp###) or the hostname of the server
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| 15:33 | <Cyrius1234> I have to rebuild my vm :/
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| 15:33 | <Hyperbyte> Hrm?
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| 15:33 | Why?
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| 15:33 | <Cyrius1234> hang on
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| 15:33 | I killed it off while trying the other
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| 15:34 | <Hyperbyte> Okay...
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| 15:34 | <Cyrius1234> should only take a sec...
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| 15:34 | anyhow, essentially all I need the thinclient to do is launch an rdesktop.
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| 15:34 | how do I limit what goes to the thinclient
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| 15:35 | I think when I did the ltsp-build-client it put everything on the OS into there
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| 15:51 | <alkisg> You only need to run ltsp-build-client --arch i386, without any other parameters, and specify an appropriate lts.conf
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| 15:51 | In lts.conf, you'll put lines like:
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| 15:51 | [Default]
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| 15:51 | SCREEN_07=xfreerdp <params, server etc>
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| 15:52 | The distribution doesn't matter if you'll be using xfreerdp, Ubuntu is fine
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| 15:53 | <Cyrius1234> I see the ltsp-build-client.conf documentation. Is this where I would kill off what packages are deployed to the client?
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| 15:54 | Essentially, what I need is the ability to run and have a printer and remote desktop, nothing more.
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| 15:54 | <alkisg> You don't want to kill packages
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| 15:54 | You have everything you need, and just that
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| 15:55 | It's about 250 MB compressed NBD image, and it loads in 10 secs to 1 minute, depending on the client CPU and network speed
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| 15:55 | <Cyrius1234> and there is no way to trim that down to a smaller image?
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| 15:55 | <alkisg> Why?
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| 15:56 | <Cyrius1234> because I am going to deploy 120 clients
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| 15:56 | <alkisg> So?
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| 15:56 | Smaller image doesn't mean faster clients
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| 15:56 | It's the same if you have a 10 GB image, or a 100 MB image
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| 15:56 | <Cyrius1234> a smaller image means it will burden my network less and increase boot time
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| 15:56 | <alkisg> No
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| 15:57 | Only the "needed sectors" are transferred
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| 15:57 | Not the whole image
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| 15:57 | <Cyrius1234> mmk
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> Booting a client means transfering 50 mb over the network
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| 15:57 | It's not related (much) to the size of your image, it can be 100 mb or 10 GB
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| 15:57 | <Cyrius1234> How can I limit the crap that goes into the client image for practical reasons like 'these dudes only need x'
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> Of course, if you put boot services like apache, then it does make a difference, but that's not typical use
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| 15:58 | Only X goes to the image
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| 15:58 | Plus, keyboard layouts, fonts etc, things you do want
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| 15:58 | The defaults are optimized for "just X", and if people want local apps or fat clients, then they need to add "crap"
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| 15:58 | So the default is not to have any crap at all
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| 15:59 | <Cyrius1234> Should I remove things I don't need from the 'server' before I do the build?
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> It doesn't matter
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| 15:59 | <Cyrius1234> I don't even want these guys to get a standard desktop
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> You can remove the desktop from your server whenever it suits you, it's not related to ltsp
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| 15:59 | <Cyrius1234> less options for the user the better, is there no way to do that?
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> The default thin client image doesn't have any desktop installed
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| 16:00 | <Cyrius1234> Are you providing me with misinformation here? I have already built a client and it was a mirror image of the system I built it from
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> No, my information is accurate
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| 16:01 | What command did you run?
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| 16:01 | ltsp-build-client?
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| 16:01 | With what commands?
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| 16:01 | What wiki page did you follow, if any?
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| 16:01 | *with what params...
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| 16:02 | What's the size of the image you created? ls -lh /opt/ltsp/images
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| 16:02 | <Cyrius1234> ltsp-build-client and the architecture handle
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| 16:02 | hang on, rebuilding it
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| 16:02 | <alkisg> You didn't have an ltsp-build-client.conf, right?
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| 16:03 | Cause if you do, it's the same as providing command line parameters...
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| 16:03 | <Cyrius1234> I built the client right after getting the package
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| 16:03 | without modification
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> What do you mean "getting the package"?
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| 16:04 | If you built a thin client chroot, then, when you logged in, you were working on the server
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| 16:04 | That's probably why you misunderstood and thought that you had installed applications in the chroot, which you didn't
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| 16:04 | That's the default
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| 16:05 | What you want there, is just a configuration file, lts.conf, like I described initially, which you can edit it whenever you want
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| 16:05 | <Cyrius1234> sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 16:05 | is how I got it
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> And, you can remove the server packages
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| 16:05 | <Cyrius1234> then I ran the build command
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> Like xorg or ubuntu-desktop etc
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| 16:05 | You can also reinstall the server with the ubuntu server cd if you prefer
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| 16:06 | That's more minimal, it doesn't contain a desktop environment by default
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| 16:07 | Note that ltsp-server-standalone depends on Xorg, you probably prefer ltsp-server
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| 16:07 | <Cyrius1234> I just followed the ubuntu page :-p
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> To sum up:
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| 16:07 | If you only want rdesktop and nothing else related to linux, the minimal way is to:
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| 16:08 | 1) reinstall the server using the ubuntu server cd,
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| 16:08 | 2) apt-get install ltsp-server and whatever other services you need, like tftp or (proxy)dhcp,
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| 16:08 | 3) run ltsp-build-client --arch
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| 16:08 | 4) edit lts.conf
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| 16:08 | That's all
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| 16:08 | Speed-wise, it will be the same if you do keep your server installation
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| 16:08 | Having xorg on the server doesn't affect the client speed...
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| 16:09 | <Cyrius1234> I do need CUPS also
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| 16:09 | ummm
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| 16:09 | so how can I eliminate the 'drag' on the client
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> Client specs?
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| 16:09 | ram, cpu, vga?
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| 16:10 | and, network speed?
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| 16:10 | <Cyrius1234> gigabit etwork
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| 16:10 | <alkisg> The client has gigabit card?
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| 16:11 | <Cyrius1234> 2.2Ghz dual core, has nvidia card, and 2GB ram
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| 16:11 | yes, gigabit card
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> Did you run xfreerdp from the client?
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| 16:12 | <Cyrius1234> No, this was on just the initial start.
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| 16:13 | <alkisg> Did you login to the client?
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| 16:14 | Anyway, the result with xfreerdp is pretty fast. You can see it by running xfreerdp locally to any linux installation, and connecting to a windows desktop
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| 16:14 | Of course it's not suited for full screen video...
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| 16:14 | Xorg or ltsp fat clients are a better fit for full screen video
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| 16:14 | <Cyrius1234> They are going to be using it to access our ERP system through a web browser
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| 16:15 | <alkisg> Why do you want remote desktop then?
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| 16:15 | <Cyrius1234> I can't use the browser right in linux though because the ERP system has a required plugin that they only have for windows
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| 16:15 | <alkisg> OK
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| 16:15 | <Cyrius1234> yeah, I tried already :-P
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| 16:15 | <alkisg> Then the easiest way would be a Windows VM running locally over LTSP
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| 16:16 | It would save you from needing windows server, a good server etc
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| 16:16 | Anyways, time for me to go... later!
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| 16:16 | <Cyrius1234> you mean run the VM on the ltsp system?
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| 16:16 | <alkisg> (the instructions I wrote above are still suitable, for xfreerdp)
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| 16:16 | No, the VM would run like a local app on the client
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| 16:17 | It would be loaded from the server (diskless clients), but ran on the client
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| 16:17 | So it would be extremely fast, and easy on your network, server etc
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| 16:17 | You could load 120 clients from a lame little linux server
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| 16:18 | <Cyrius1234> still using the rdp though, correct?
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| 16:18 | <alkisg> No
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| 16:18 | Using virtualbox
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| 16:18 | headless (no menus)
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| 16:18 | <ogra_> chickenbox :)
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| 16:20 | <Cyrius1234> confused about your segway lol
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| 16:21 | <alkisg> The clients would load linux + xorg, run vbox on top of that, and windows 7 inside vbox. One installation for all. The users would only see the browser, nothing more.
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| 16:21 | <Cyrius1234> virtualbox using a windows install running on the linux server
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| 16:21 | gotcha
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| 16:22 | any special windows licensing concerns that way?
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| 18:21 | <cryptrat> hello everyone
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| 18:22 | anyone familiar with samba on ltsp ?
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| 18:33 | <cryptrat> hi alkisg are you familiar with samba by any chance?
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| 18:34 | <Cyrius1234> alkisg, I don't know if your idea of vitrualbox will work since it is on a vm XD. Ultimately I am just testing right now though, so I may end up with different setup later on which can support it
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| 18:34 | OR it will allow me to inception virtual machines
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| 18:35 | but I think there will be a hefty performance loss in that
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| 18:40 | <alkisg> cryptrat: yup
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| 18:41 | Cyrius1234: the VM will run on the clients, not on the server
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| 18:41 | There's a 10% performance loss, way better than the big performance loss of rdesktop
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| 18:42 | The processing happens on your good clients, not on a single server, which is the best for your scenario
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| 18:44 | The NBD image and the VM can even be stored in usb or local disk, so that it can run over ADSL, not gigabit LAN... so it's pretty flexible
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| 18:44 | (the web browser, over DSL...)
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| 18:56 | <Cyrius1234> what is the bootfile name again? pxelinux.0 ?
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| 19:04 | <vagrantc> pxelinux.0, yes
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| 19:05 | upstream and/or the debian packaging for syslinux/pxelinux sure moved everything around
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| 19:12 | <Cyrius1234> alkisg, what are the steps i need to do for what youre talking about
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| 19:13 | <Cyrius1234> also, is there a way to ignore logins / force guest?
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| 19:14 | <vagrantc> there's autologin, or a timed login
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| 19:14 | but i don't think there's a guest login that disales the login as user box
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| 19:19 | <Cyrius1234> if I force the login does it do a different session for each?
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| 19:20 | <vagrantc> what do you mean by force login?
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| 19:21 | <Cyrius1234> the autologin
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| 19:21 | <vagrantc> default for autologin/guestlogin is the hostname of the client, which is gotten from dns or generated from the ip address.
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| 19:22 | (or can also be passed via dhcp?)
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| 19:22 | <cryptrat> anyone ever setup a konica minolta bizhub network printer?
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| 19:22 | <Cyrius1234> how do you do autologin
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> man lts.conf
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| 19:23 | !lts.conf
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| 19:23 | <ltsp> lts.conf: (#1) http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf, or (#2) lts.conf manpage is available in the ltsp-docs package
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| 19:32 | <alkisg> Cyrius1234: you would need to create a custom "virtualbox" screen script, and put in lts.conf: SCREEN_07=virtualbox
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| 19:32 | You wouldn't need to autologin, there would be no local linux user
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| 19:32 | LDM wouldn't show up at all, virtualbox would run immediately with xorg
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| 19:33 | <alkisg> The process is not really documented, you'd have to google, ask, write script etc
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| 19:33 | <Cyrius1234> gotcha
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| 19:33 | <alkisg> For one that knows what to do, it would take a few hours. I don't know how much hour you would need.
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| 19:34 | *much time...
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| 19:36 | <Cyrius1234> I can figure it out if you point me somewhere haha
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| 19:37 | or terms, just google headless virtualbox and go from there?
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| 19:37 | and I should do these as a fat client if I want the virtualbox to work, correct?
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| 19:40 | <vagrantc> Cyrius1234: you'd want to look at the other screen scripts for examples ... in a client environment's /usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/
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| 19:40 | Cyrius1234: you might be able to actually use the kiosk plugin...
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| 19:42 | <Cyrius1234> my issue is that I need to run the browser within windows, our ERP system has a windows-only plugin
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| 19:45 | <vagrantc> Cyrius1234: well, if you used virtualbox as the "browser" in kiosk mode... you might get away without having to learn how to write screen scripts, though they're not difficult.
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| 19:47 | <Cyrius1234> what is screen_07?
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| 19:47 | example text? haha
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| 19:48 | i will try each
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| 19:56 | <vagrantc> !docs
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| 19:56 | <ltsp> docs: For the latest community documentation, see the LTSP wiki at http://wiki.ltsp.org/ For a PDF with official documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 19:57 | * vagrantc suspects those links are out of date... | |
| 19:57 | <vagrantc> Cyrius1234: apt-get install ltsp-docs
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| 19:57 | Cyrius1234: look in /usr/share/doc/ltsp
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| 19:58 | admittedly, that's a little out of date as well, but it should answer basic questions like what screen scripts are
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| 20:00 | <Cyrius1234> ah you are one of the hosses on here :-P
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| 20:02 | * vagrantc hopes to upload ltsp 5.5.2 today... | |
| 20:02 | <Cyrius1234> You from the community or from diskless workstations?
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| 20:02 | <vagrantc> and ldm 2.2.14
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| 20:02 | i've been involved in ltsp development since around 2005/2006
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| 20:03 | not associated with diskless workstations, though i know a few of those folks
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| 20:03 | <Cyrius1234> Do they just own the name?
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| 20:04 | theyre actually right down the street from me haha
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| 20:04 | <vagrantc> the founders of ltsp started disklessworkstations ... not exactly sure which came first
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| 20:07 | <Cyrius1234> not as involved now?
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| 20:08 | <vagrantc> yes and no
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| 20:09 | i'd say the main active developers are myself, alkisg, and lately bennabiy has been making some good commits, stgraber occasionally ...
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| 20:10 | activity comes and goes, though it's been a little stale the last couple years
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| 20:10 | <alkisg> And sbalneav made a good effort for libpam_sshauth, the basis of ltsp6....
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| 20:11 | <vagrantc> yeah, but that was pretty much 3 years ago now, isn't it?
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| 20:11 | <alkisg> at least 2 years, yeah...
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| 20:11 | * vagrantc misses sbalneav | |
| 20:11 | <bennabiy> plus some effort again about a year ago
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| 20:12 | <vagrantc> right
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| 20:12 | <bennabiy> October or so
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| 20:12 | <vagrantc> that was two years ago
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> bennabiy: ltsp-docs is there: https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-docwriters/ltsp/ltsp-docs-trunk - in case you want to document the new hash directive
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| 20:12 | E.g. here's how I documented a couple of mine: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-docwriters/ltsp/ltsp-docs-trunk/revision/146
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| 20:12 | <vagrantc> s,in case you want to,please document,
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| 20:12 | :)
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> :)
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| 20:13 | <bennabiy> alkisg, vagrantc: Thank you :)
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| 20:13 | <vagrantc> also, i'm thinking we should document the ltsp/ldm/ltspfs versions features were implemented in, at least for future updates
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| 20:14 | so if you get a newer version of the docs, it's easier to determine if it's relevent to you
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| 20:14 | <bennabiy> How would we classify this?
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| 20:14 | Someone needs to update the launchpad roadmap
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| 20:15 | <alkisg> In ltsp6 I'm thinking we should make lts.conf auto-extracted from the scripts at build time, so as to be version AND distro specific...
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| 20:15 | Like the ltsp-tool man pages are now
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| 20:15 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: as far as what versions it's implemented in, ldm 2.2.14 and ltsp 5.5.2
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| 20:15 | alkisg: and not have a separate docs package at all?
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| 20:15 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 20:15 | <bennabiy> !learn bennabiy_todo as document hash directive (following example http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-docwriters/ltsp/ltsp-docs-trunk/revision/146 )
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| 20:15 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 20:16 | <alkisg> We can have one for the .pdf, if we still want a general how-to manual
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| 20:16 | But not for just a man page, there's no point there
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| 20:16 | <vagrantc> given how we've failed to keep the separate docs up to date, i see the wisdom in that
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| 20:16 | <alkisg> Using the regular tools, we'll even be able to have translatable man pages for lts.conf
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| 20:16 | Without any additional overhead, just the build-time script
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| 20:16 | <vagrantc> i think the manpage was put there to be able to incorporate it into the manual
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| 20:17 | alkisg: as always, good ideas! :)
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| 20:17 | <alkisg> :)
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| 20:17 | * bennabiy agrees | |
| 20:17 | * bennabiy wishes alkisg would write a commiters todo list... | |
| 20:18 | <vagrantc> i think the docs being separate was also a sneaky attempt at drawing people into writing documentation who would be afraid to commit code.
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| 20:18 | but that hasn't panned out real well
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| 20:18 | <bennabiy> fill it in with, "If you are going to submit a merge request that contains a new feature, or modifies a feature, please do this, and update this documentation ... etc"
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| 20:19 | <Cyrius1234> ahhhh I get the screen thing now. This was different when I used it back in the day on AIX
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| 20:20 | <vagrantc> i don't think LTSP was ever available on AIX :P
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| 20:20 | <alkisg> bennabiy: I think those parts belong to a wiki page, you can start one and you could ask us to comment about it in order to improve it...
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| 20:20 | <bennabiy> Where?
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| 20:21 | <alkisg> Somewhere under ltsp.org
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| 20:21 | <Cyrius1234> no the screenswitching
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| 20:21 | <alkisg> bennabiy: under http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:Development ...
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| 20:21 | <bennabiy> alkisg: not registered as a developer, so do not have write / edit rights there
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| 20:22 | <alkisg> Ah, well, if you plan on helping regularily there, we can register you, or if not, you can write it somewhere else and we can move it
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| 20:23 | <bennabiy> alkisg: It is hard saying what tomorrow holds, but I have a feeling I will be helping as I can (for somewhat the same reason you do, we use it heavily) and I have time now to help. A year from now, I could be farming and not be doing anything with a computer.
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| 20:26 | <alkisg> Sounds fine to me... personally I haven't been able to dedicate much time on ltsp for the last months, and probably for the next few months as well...
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| 20:26 | <Cyrius1234> If I am understanding this correctly you set up local printers from the server?
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| 20:26 | <alkisg> So I don't know how much feedback I'll be able to give you
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| 20:27 | <bennabiy> My community supports me doing what I can to better LTSP, because we rely on it, but that could change next week, etc. Our life here is very dynamic :)
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| 20:27 | <alkisg> Cyrius1234: when you ask questions, do remind people here that you're interested in rdesktop, because it's not usual ltsp
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| 20:27 | <bennabiy> I understand that one
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| 20:27 | <alkisg> So for printers there, you'd use the xfreerdp plugins, not the usual ltsp jetpipe command
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| 20:28 | For the Vbox solution, you'd use usb passthrough, so windows drivers...
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| 20:29 | <Cyrius1234> so basically just pick where you pass it to depending on solution
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| 20:29 | <vagrantc> heh. i'm finally using ltsp at home... and actually finally had a use-case to test a patch in the debian bug tracker
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| 20:29 | ironically, i'm using a raspberry pi as a web kiosk to play music
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| 20:29 | <Cyrius1234> I was thinking about getting one
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| 20:29 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: too funny!
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| 20:31 | <vagrantc> and i've got an amd64 server, which i use to build ltsp-pnp setups, and then i build a classic i386 thin client setup on the same server...
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| 20:36 | <bennabiy> I need to find a way around the ltsp-pnp setup bug I am running into
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| 20:36 | <alkisg> Which one is that?
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| 20:37 | <bennabiy> something in the script failing (I think mount) when I have multiple mounts layered
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| 20:37 | sample output...
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| 20:37 | <alkisg> Yeah that part is a bit sensitive.... and overlayfs bugs make it even harder
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| 20:38 | <bennabiy> mount: mount point /tmp/tmp.ZxQTLKE0eF/rofs/home/username/Documents/SECURE does not exist
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| 20:38 | Could not mount /tmp/tmp.ZxQTLKE0eF/rofs/home/username/Documents/SECURE.
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| 20:38 | <alkisg> aufs is a lot more stable
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| 20:38 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: try out debian! :)
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| 20:38 | <bennabiy> I use debian for all my servers
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| 20:38 | <vagrantc> alkisg: couldn't you do the same thing that i did with aufs with overlayfs? or is the problem deeper than that
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| 20:38 | ?
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> I don't remember, I thought it should be working (I've read the bug that it's not, but I didn't have time to look into it)
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| 20:39 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: wouldn't be hard to replicate what the aufs code does for overlayfs and try it out...
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| 20:39 | <bennabiy> As far as I can identify it, the issue happens because /home is a mounted partition, but then there are bind mounts on top of it, or other filesystems mounted on it like /home/Public etc
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| 20:40 | <alkisg> We have bindfs over /home/somewhere, it works fine
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| 20:40 | <bennabiy> I would be willing to try. I need to go now, but later I can try
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| 20:40 | <alkisg> We should also exclude mounts that match /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.excludes...
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| 20:41 | <bennabiy> I put the excludes in there and it did nothing
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| 20:41 | * vagrantc suspects there's something stranger going on, like ltsp-update-image.excludes: /home/* | |
| 20:41 | <vagrantc> but i guess that shouldn't affect the mount...
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| 20:41 | <alkisg> The `mount --bind` commands run before the nbd compression, so ltsp-update-image.excludes isn't checked at that point
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| 20:42 | <bennabiy> whatever you think, leave me a note...
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| 20:42 | * bennabiy waves | |
| 20:46 | * vagrantc wonders if "ltsp-update-image --cleanup" should be the default... | |
| 20:47 | <vagrantc> or wait, it modifies all sorts of things... nevermind
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| 20:47 | or does it put everything into an aufs/overlayfs before those cleaning events?
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| 20:55 | <alkisg> ltsp-update-image --cleanup is temporary, while running /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-cleanup manually inside a chroot, is permanent
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| 20:56 | Suppose someone installes sshd in a chroot, and runs ltsp-update-image. I don't think he expects --cleanup...
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| 20:56 | While, for ltsp-pnp, ltsp-update-image --cleanup /, the --cleanup could be the default there, because the user didn't consiously install sshd, it came with ltsp-server
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| 20:57 | But it's not good to have variable defaults, so defaulting to "off" seemed like a better idea at that time...
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| 20:58 | Another example is creating a user inside the chroot, one wouldn't expect the user account to be automatically removed because --cleanup was the default
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| 20:58 | While it does make sense for ltsp-pnp, we don't want the server users in the resulting image
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| 21:05 | <vagrantc> right
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| 21:05 | <Cyrius1234> Does lts.conf not exist by default?
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| 21:05 | <vagrantc> Cyrius1234: correct
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| 21:05 | Cyrius1234: ltsp-config lts.conf
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| 21:08 | egads. gnome3 is now prompting for a password after you've already logged in ... "Authentication is required to create a color managed device"
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| 21:08 | that's moronic.
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| 21:09 | * vagrantc wonders if that happens when logging in via gdm or lightdm... | |
| 21:10 | <alkisg> We'll soon need to start worrying about wayland too...
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| 21:10 | * alkisg waves | |
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| 21:19 | <Cyrius1234> it apparently just ignored what I put in :-P
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| 21:22 | <vagrantc> what did you put in where?
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| 21:23 | <Cyrius1234> I want to badly to respond like a smartass :-P
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| 21:23 | but tried adding this line to the lts.conf
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| 21:23 | Display Timeclock Activities
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| 21:23 | oops
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| 21:24 | SCREEN_07 ="rdesktop -a 16 192.168.110.222"
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| 21:24 | just booted like normal
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| 21:25 | <vagrantc> try without the "
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| 21:33 | <Cyrius1234> I actually tried some crux linux distro after coming back to this
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| 21:33 | learned way too much about that crap before giving up
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| 21:35 | also, thank you for the help
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| 21:36 | You have other irc channels you recommend for learning things from?
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| 21:37 | <vagrantc> a more specific question would be feasible to answer :)
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| 21:37 | <Cyrius1234> haha
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| 21:40 | nevermind, I just entered channel names til I got one :)
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| 21:51 | <Cyrius1234> should I be installing things like freerdp into the chroot?
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| 21:51 | Assuming if I install it on the server have to rebuild the entire image?
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| 21:51 | <vagrantc> depends on how you want to use them
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| 21:52 | fat or thin clients?
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| 21:52 | <Cyrius1234> thin
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| 21:52 | <vagrantc> then install it on the server
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| 21:52 | <Cyrius1234> only install to chroot for fat client then?
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| 21:52 | <vagrantc> unless you want to use it as a localapp, then install it in the chroot
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| 21:52 | or a fat client
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| 21:52 | with fatclient, you also have the ltsp-pnp methods, which are pretty nice.
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| 21:53 | i guess ltsp-pnp also works as a thin client, but it's overkill
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| 21:54 | <Cyrius1234> my goal is basically to preserve existing bad hardware as long as possible then replace with proper premade thinclients
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| 21:54 | So I am worried about pushing too much to the client
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| 21:54 | by bad I mean..... very old some like 8 years old
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| 21:54 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 21:55 | i worked at a computer recycling center for years, so i know about running old computers :)
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| 21:55 | <Cyrius1234> well, our issue is we have like 150 to replace haha
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| 22:01 | <vagrantc> meh. i need to figure out how to get systemd to disable login on tty2-tty6 ...
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| 22:08 | <vagrantc> meh.
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