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Channel log from 15 April 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:17 | <gnunux> hi
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| 04:21 | <alkisg> !compiz
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| 04:21 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 04:26 | <alkisg_web> !compiz
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| 04:26 | <ltspbot> alkisg_web: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 09:15 | <komunista> hi all
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| 10:26 | <munson> sup sup IM BACK lol....with no luck on this layer3 switch ;(
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| 10:27 | if anyone has any other ideas on why tftp info isn´t passing thru this layer3 switch then let me know
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> munson: do you have vlan tags?
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| 10:31 | make sure your ports are untagged
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| 10:32 | <munson> yes i made a vlan which all my computers are on for security purposes
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| 10:34 | <Gadi> munson: but are the packets tagged?
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| 10:34 | <munson> yes
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| 10:34 | <vbundi> munson: is your UDP helper configured? also... VLANs aren't really meant to be used for security
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| 10:34 | <Gadi> you can have different ports assigned to different vlans without tagging
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| 10:34 | tagging is only if one port is used for two vlans
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| 10:34 | <munson> hmm
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| 10:34 | iĺl try that then
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| 10:35 | but if i untag it then would net still pass thru?
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> munson: if your server has 2 NICs, I would plug one into a vlan1 port and another into a vlan2 port and keep everything untagged
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| 10:36 | <munson> hmm haven´t thought of using 2 nics
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> ah, its much simpler that way
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| 10:36 | and you get the vlan separation to boot
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| 10:36 | (no pun intended)
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| 10:36 | ;)
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| 10:36 | <munson> gotcha
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| 10:36 | <vbundi> lol
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| 10:37 | <munson> i even tried windows 2008 server for dhcp but still no go on that crap either...but ya iĺl try untagging first if no net then iĺl try the 2 nic trick
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| 10:38 | <munson> brb after a bit ;) gotta reset my switch and blahblah ¨more testing¨
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| 10:38 | <vbundi> munson: well you said it was working with a hub, but just not that L3 switch right?
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| 10:38 | <munson> ya hub was fine...after it got the info i reseated into the layer3 and all still fine
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| 10:39 | <vbundi> ahh so just the TFTP isn't really working
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| 10:39 | <munson> also mentioned before tried a different layer 3 switch and that was its default settings straight out of the box and still no go
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| 10:39 | ya dhcp is fine but PXE-E3B - TFTP error - file not found ...when connected to layer 3
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| 10:40 | <Gadi> munson: if you added vlan tags on your server interface NIC, you should remove those, as well
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| 10:41 | <munson> this is basic setup ubuntu 8.04 lts i386 edition and ran thru all the necessary crap to get it running which it ¨works¨ fine on hub but no difference in nic settings which i havent messed with
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| 10:41 | so everything is basic setup with the exception of everything going thru my vlan on switch
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> yeah, smells like tagging issues
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| 10:43 | <munson> kk iĺl check it out iĺl brb
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> firends dont let friends tag vlans
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| 10:43 | <munson> haha
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| 10:43 | smartass
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| 11:34 | <vbundi> so I ran an update today.. new kernel... ran out of space on my boot partition which is software RAID1... I thought 100MB would be more than enough
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| 11:34 | is there a way to remove old initrd from my boot partition?
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| 11:38 | nm think I got it
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| 11:45 | <highvoltage> on my test machine (Lucid) I get:
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| 11:45 | udhcpc[321]: Received DHCP NAK
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| 11:46 | udhcpc[321]: Sending discover...
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| 11:46 | udhcpc[321]: Sending select for...
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| 11:46 | ok sorry I just realised what's going wrong (d'oh)
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| 11:53 | <johnny> /me kicks linux sound in the face
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| 11:54 | all of the sudden i needed to set model for the alsa driver
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| 11:54 | for no good reason
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| 11:54 | usually needing to force the model is something you do BEFORE things work right
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| 11:54 | with that card
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| 11:54 | <thunsucker> johnny: what do you mean
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| 11:54 | <johnny> i've never had to set it once it had worked again
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| 11:55 | thunsucker, a pc we have had for 3 years now started needing me to set the name of the model for the sound chip
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| 11:55 | when it has worked just fine almost the entire time without it
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| 11:56 | <thunsucker> interesting
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| 11:59 | johnny: i hate sound+linux all together
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| 11:59 | in all of my ltsp deployments, sound is the biggest problem
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| 11:59 | <johnny> generally i'm a big fan of how the stack is evolving
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| 11:59 | but it's hard to keep up with all the drivers
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| 12:00 | when pulse uses them in better and more interesting ways
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| 12:00 | it exposes odd driver bugs
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| 12:00 | <thunsucker> yup
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| 12:00 | i can't wait to upgrade my installs to lucid
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| 12:00 | each time a new release comes out, most of my problems get fixed
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| 12:01 | audio is the only big one left
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| 12:01 | <johnny> generally though.. i i don't like how lucid handles audio
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| 12:01 | altho i understand why it does things a certain way. i wish they would fix it differently
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| 12:01 | i don't like how they map direct alsa back into pulse..
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| 12:01 | <thunsucker> johnny: sounds like fun
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| 12:02 | <johnny> so running alsamixer doesn't show the right thing
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| 12:02 | ah.. looks like that really is the future
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| 12:02 | now fedora does it too
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| 12:02 | i just upgraded to fedora13
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| 12:03 | same thing now
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| 12:05 | <Gadi> johnny: alsamixer -c0
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| 12:06 | <johnny> Gadi, that doesn't change that i still had to start forcing the model number :(
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| 12:06 | <Gadi> yeah - for that you need to write your congresswoman
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| 12:10 | <thunsucker> gadi: why is that
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| 12:11 | <Gadi> isn't that who you write to when the man breaks the system?
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| 12:12 | <thunsucker> of course it helps if when you ask a question
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| 12:12 | you remember there is a scheduled network reboot 5 seconds after you type lol
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| 13:26 | <scott_ino2> in ubuntu 9.10 when i boot a client the screen of the server gets all garbled, additionally clients are unable to login, any ideas?
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| 13:35 | <thunsucker> scott_ino2: to ungarble the screen do you have to reboot?
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| 13:36 | <scott_ino2> yes
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| 13:39 | thunsucker, I tried resolving with the update ssh keys and build image but that didnt work
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| 13:40 | <Lns> scott_ino2: when you boot a CLIENT, the SERVER'S screen gets garbled? That's....weird.
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| 13:41 | I don't even see how that's possible
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| 13:41 | unless you have some crazy hardware issue
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| 13:42 | brb
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| 13:42 | <scott_ino2> It was working under 9.04
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| 13:42 | we did a clean install
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> scott_ino2: did you try disabling compiz?
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| 13:45 | !compiz
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| 13:45 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 13:45 | <thunsucker> scott_ino2: describe in more details, what do you mean "garbled"
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| 13:46 | <scott_ino2> horizontal lines with mouse movement etc..
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| 13:46 | Gadi, good suggestion, that could be it
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| 13:51 | any other ideas?
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| 13:59 | * vagrantc forgets if vagrantc tested that last patch to ldm... | |
| 14:01 | <vagrantc> ah yes, i did.
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| 14:54 | <sahil> if my resolv.conf has no search domain in it how do i proceed with local apps?
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| 15:00 | <Gadi> sahil: set: SEARCH_DOMAIN and DNS_SERVER in lts.conf
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| 15:00 | <sahil> Gadi: to blank?
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| 15:01 | my resolv.conf only has nameserver lines
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| 15:01 | <Gadi> set to the appropraite values
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| 15:02 | you don't *need* a search domain, tho
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| 15:02 | <sahil> Gadi, how do I find the appropraite values?
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| 15:02 | the DNS_SERVER should be set to what one of my nameserver lines is?
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| 15:02 | and the SEARCH_DOMAIN can be left out?
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| 15:02 | <Gadi> the search domain is your dns domain name usually - it allows you to resolve hosts using just the hostname and not the FQDN
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| 15:04 | <sahil> Gadi: I have no dns domain name that i can determine
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| 15:04 | my resolv.conf is as follows:# Generated by NetworkManager
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| 15:04 | nameserver 68.105.28.11
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| 15:04 | nameserver 68.105.29.11
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| 15:04 | nameserver 68.105.28.12
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| 15:09 | <Gadi> sahil: what is the problem you are trying to solve?
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| 15:09 | is firefox not getting to a web page?
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| 15:09 | <sahil> Gadi: when I enable localapps I cannot login to cliens
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| 15:09 | clients
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| 15:09 | and the SEARCH_DOMAIN and DNS_SERVER lines are obviously wrong
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| 15:10 | I assume I set DNS_SERVER line to one of my nameservers?
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| 15:11 | <Gadi> but when you disable local apps, you can log in ok?
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| 15:12 | <sahil> when I remove the lts.conf I can
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| 15:12 | <Gadi> ah, so let's start there
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| 15:12 | can you paste the lts.conf?
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| 15:12 | <sahil> its literally the one from the ubuntu karmiclocalapp doc
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| 15:12 | <Gadi> !pastebot
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| 15:12 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 15:13 | <Gadi> hmm... /me looks for url
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| 15:13 | <sahil> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> ah - on the lines with "|| Change this for your own network "
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| 15:15 | don't copy that part
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| 15:15 | :)
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| 15:15 | <sahil> har har
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| 15:15 | I did not
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> ok
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| 15:15 | just checking
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| 15:15 | <sahil> I changed them to reflect the best that I could but as I said my resolv.conf lists neither
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| 15:15 | simply nameservers
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| 15:16 | <Gadi> that's fine
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| 15:16 | doesn't explain why you cannot even login
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| 15:16 | LOCAL_APPS=True by default
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| 15:17 | try making the lts.conf simply:
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| 15:17 | [Default] LOCAL_APPS=True
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| 15:17 | er
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| 15:17 | <sahil> is there a way I can launch teh local firefox without having an lts.conf then?
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| 15:17 | <Gadi> [Default]
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| 15:17 | <sahil> and leave out the firefox?
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| 15:17 | <Gadi> LOCAL_APPS=True
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| 15:17 | yeah
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| 15:17 | let's see if you can log in with just a simple lts.conf
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| 15:18 | if that works, when you log in, open a terminal window and type: ltsp-localapps firefox
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| 15:18 | and you should get a local firefox browser
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| 15:18 | if all of that works, I would then add:
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| 15:18 | LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True
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| 15:18 | which replaces the menu item with local firefox
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| 15:19 | and check that you can log in
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| 15:19 | <sahil> can i just manually edit the shortcut to use the ltsp-localapps firefox?
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> you could - this other way is automagic and done upon login to an LTSP client only
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| 15:20 | <sahil> yeah and i guess id have to do that for each user then
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> right
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| 15:20 | <sahil> well here goes with the simplest of the lts.confs
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| 15:21 | is there a way to check on a client which lts.conf is being used?
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| 15:21 | nothing happens if i do ltsp-localapps firefox
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| 15:22 | oh it did just too forever
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| 15:23 | <johnny> ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 15:23 | and then getltscfg -a
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| 15:23 | but you can also try starting firefox
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| 15:24 | and see what happens in the console
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| 15:26 | <Lns> sahil: there's also the replacing of firefox.desktop every time it's upgraded...best to have your lts.conf in order for stuff like that instead of hacking on files
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| 15:33 | <sahil> thanks guys seems like everything works
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