IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 13 November 2011 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <vagrantc> whee
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| 02:29 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 14:59 | <andygraybeal> aalloo ;)
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| 15:00 | <Hyperbyte> Hi hi!
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| 15:01 | <andygraybeal> hi Hyperbyte :))
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| 15:01 | my lady and i are both at work on sunday :) she is doing some web updates. i'm installing a nutritional analysis program, gourmet - we have to move a db from the old system to the new. plus i am about to install zentyal 2.2 to play with it.
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| 15:02 | what'r you up to?
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| 15:02 | oh and i'm rnuning a full backup because the backups have been funky for the past few days
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| 15:03 | havnig a ldap server with user db is da-bomb
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| 16:43 | <matrix3000> andygraybeal: i hate zentyal....
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| 16:43 | <andygraybeal> hah :)
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| 16:43 | matrix3000, well your much smarter than me.. so it's okay.
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| 16:43 | <matrix3000> andygraybeal: it doesn't do redundant ldap
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| 16:43 | <andygraybeal> i know we had t his converstaion before.
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| 16:43 | <matrix3000> so if your master zentyal server dies, no bueno
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| 16:44 | oh did we
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| 16:44 | when?
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| 16:44 | lol
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| 16:44 | but other than that, it is awesome
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| 16:44 | <andygraybeal> yes, while ago.. you even told me what project you were using to easily implement directory server
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| 16:44 | <matrix3000> dude, i have the memory of a dinasaur
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| 16:44 | <andygraybeal> i forget the project, but it looked awesome.. and it looked like it could get some years under it's belt before someone l ik eme co uld use it.. ably.
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| 16:44 | <matrix3000> dinosaur*
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| 16:45 | <andygraybeal> well i smoke weed and drink constantly so.. :)
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| 16:45 | <matrix3000> ahaha
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| 16:45 | it was FusionDirectory, and I guess they are working on a new version as well to help manage LTSP from within the LDAP directory
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| 16:45 | <andygraybeal> yes yes fusion.
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| 16:45 | <matrix3000> I don't know how exactly but it would be cool to see
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| 16:45 | <andygraybeal> aah nice, ltsp with ldap.. yes.
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| 16:46 | <matrix3000> he was saying being able to choose and specify which pc's use which ltsp servers
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| 16:46 | and which boot images
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| 16:46 | but, ha, im scared to even try it
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| 16:47 | im just sticking with ldap for user authentication for now
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| 16:48 | hell, im eager for the new version of LTSP that is being worked on
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| 16:48 | is it ltsp6?
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| 16:48 | or just LTSP5. something
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| 16:53 | <andygraybeal> yea, i have no idea
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| 16:54 | yes, ldap just for user auth for now would be fine.
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| 16:54 | i am using zentyal for some user auth...
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| 16:54 | but not with zentyal
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| 16:54 | so i have like two user db's right now.. one for zentyal dir and one for ltsp...
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| 16:55 | <lifeboy> Hi all! I'm trying to load a video kernel module for my client (the vortex one I've been working on recently) and just need a bit of help in finding the right directories and module config files
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| 16:55 | <Matrix3000-Home> where would you put it normally?
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| 16:55 | if it wasn't a thin client
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| 16:55 | lifeboy*
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| 16:55 | <lifeboy> I don't do this normally! ;-)
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| 16:56 | <Matrix3000-Home> well you would do it the same as if you put it on ubuntu itself
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| 16:56 | <Matrix3000-Home> if you have fat clients you put it in /opt/ltsp/i386/ somewhere
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| 16:56 | or even if you want it on the client locally
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| 16:56 | <lifeboy> in /lib/modules/(mykernel)/kernel/drivers/video
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| 16:56 | <Matrix3000-Home> ah ok
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| 16:57 | so if you need it on the client itself
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| 16:57 | <lifeboy> in the /opt/ltsp/i386 of course
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| 16:57 | <Matrix3000-Home> so then you have it on /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/(mykernel)/kernel/drivers/video
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| 16:58 | do you have it in the /lib/modules/(mykernel)/kernel/drivers/video as well
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| 16:58 | <lifeboy> it's there, and I put it in /etc/modules as rdc_drv, like I have my ethernet module which loads, but the video doesn't.
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| 16:58 | <Matrix3000-Home> ok, did you try ltsp-update-kernel
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| 16:58 | or something like that
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| 16:59 | ltsp-update-kernels
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| 16:59 | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man8/ltsp-update-kernels.8.html
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> !seen alkisg
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| 16:59 | <ltsp> vagrantc: alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 16 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <alkisg> With SSL + reconnections + inside the X session etc
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| 17:00 | <Matrix3000-Home> !ltsp-update-kernels
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| 17:00 | <ltsp> Matrix3000-Home: Error: "ltsp-update-kernels" is not a valid command.
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| 17:00 | <lifeboy> Here's what I did:root@Ashton:/# ltsp-chroot --arch=i386
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| 17:00 | root@Ashton:/# mount -t proc proc /proc
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| 17:00 | root@Ashton:/# update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.32.44+drm33.19gts
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| 17:00 | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32.44+drm33.19gts
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| 17:00 | root@Ashton:/# umount proc
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| 17:00 | root@Ashton:/# exit
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| 17:00 | exit
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| 17:00 | root@Ashton:/# ltsp-update-kernels
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| 17:01 | Updating /var/lib/tftpboot directories for chroot: /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 17:01 | root@Ashton:/# ltsp-update-image -
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| 17:01 | sorry, not the '-' after the last command
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| 17:01 | <Matrix3000-Home> could you use pastebin?
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| 17:02 | <lifeboy> Uh, sorry, I will do in future. (use pastebin)
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| 17:02 | <Matrix3000-Home> i just had a bit of trouble trying to follow your commands
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| 17:02 | lol
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| 17:03 | but yea, that looks like it if that doesn't work, id wait till alkisg can answer
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| 17:03 | <lifeboy> The sequence is what I always do if I've made a change, just to ensure everything gets "picked up"
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| 17:04 | !ltsp-update-kernel
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| 17:04 | <ltsp> lifeboy: Error: "ltsp-update-kernel" is not a valid command.
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| 17:05 | <lifeboy> ok, I'll keep digging around in the meantime
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| 17:06 | <Matrix3000-Home> yea there's no entry yet
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| 17:06 | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man8/ltsp-update-kernels.8.html
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| 17:06 | <vagrantc> what's the question?
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| 17:06 | <Matrix3000-Home> but that tells you what ltsp-update-kernels does
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| 17:07 | lifeboy: Hi all! I'm trying to load a video kernel module for my client (the vortex one I've been working on recently) and just need a bit of help in finding the right directories and module config files
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| 17:07 | <andygraybeal> i thought all video stuff was handled with lts.conf ?
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| 17:07 | but i'm an idiot, so pay no attn to me.
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| 17:07 | <vagrantc> if it really is a kernel module, it would happen much earlier
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| 17:08 | <Matrix3000-Home> like right at PXE boot right?
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| 17:08 | when it first grabs the image
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| 17:08 | <vagrantc> probably from the initramfs
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| 17:08 | <Matrix3000-Home> from my understanding
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| 17:08 | <lifeboy> Ah, I think it may have to go into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/initramfs-tools/modules instead
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| 17:08 | vagrantc, yes.
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> lifeboy: so the module is present in the initramfs, just not getting loaded?
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| 17:09 | <lifeboy> no, when I do modprobe -l | grep rdc on the client (in busybox), it's not there
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| 17:10 | <vagrantc> that sounds like an answer to the latter question
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| 17:10 | is it present in /lib/modules/$version/...
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| 17:11 | when you've booted the initramfs
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| 17:11 | or lsinitramfs /path/to/initrd.img-$version | egrep rdc
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| 17:11 | <lifeboy> vagrantc: Yes, it's in /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.6.32.44+drm33.19gts/kernel/drivers/video
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| 17:12 | <vagrantc> lifeboy: yes, but is it in the initramfs image itself...
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| 17:12 | lifeboy: you have lsinitramfs?
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| 17:12 | <lifeboy> Oh, wait, I but rebuild initramfs if I put something in i386/etc/initramfs-tools/modules, right?
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| 17:12 | yes, I do.
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| 17:13 | sorry
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| 17:13 | <vagrantc> lifeboy: lsinitramfs /path/to/initrd.img-$version | egrep rdc
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| 17:14 | just putting it in etc/initramfs-tools/modules won't include it in the image, it just tells it to load the module (which won't work if it's not present) ... not all modules go into the initramfs, typically.
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| 17:14 | !initramfs
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| 17:14 | <ltsp> vagrantc: Error: "initramfs" is not a valid command.
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| 17:14 | <vagrantc> !initramfs-tools
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| 17:14 | <ltsp> vagrantc: Error: "initramfs-tools" is not a valid command.
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| 17:14 | <vagrantc> !search initramfs
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| 17:14 | <ltsp> vagrantc: There were no matching configuration variables.
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| 17:15 | <lifeboy> vagrantc: lsinitramfs /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/initrd.img | egrep rdc returns nothing (initrd.img symlinks to actual initrd-$version)
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| 17:15 | <vagrantc> lifeboy: so it's not included in the image...
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| 17:16 | <lifeboy> I copied it into kernel/drivers/video by hand after compiling it. Could it be the wrong dir?
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| 17:16 | Shouldn't it be in the image if I copied it in and rebuilt the image?
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> lifeboy: probably ... i'm not really familiar with hand-built modules ... everything i ever work with is just part of the kernel initrd/initramfs for the last 7 years or so
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| 17:18 | <vagrantc> lifeboy: only certain modules are included in the initramfs by default
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| 17:18 | <lifeboy> I had to build the ethernet and display drivers for the vortex86 processor based client
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| 17:18 | <vagrantc> lifeboy: so you need to tell your initramfs to include that module...
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| 17:18 | lifeboy: i know, i'm just saying i'm way out of practice with this sort of thing :)
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| 17:19 | lifeboy: egrep rdc /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/$version/modules.dep
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| 17:19 | <lifeboy> It turned out Ubuntu 10.04 actually has a r6040 module, it's just not compiled in by default, but the rdc_drv is not in it
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| 17:20 | vagrantc: :-)
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| 17:21 | egrep rdc /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.6.32.44+drm33.19gts/modules.dep
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| 17:21 | kernel/drivers/ata/pata_rdc.ko:
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| 17:21 | <vagrantc> lifeboy: a whole different tack ... have you tried using the vesa driver?
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| 17:22 | <lifeboy> Yes, it's on by default in 10.04
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| 17:22 | but it doesn't work.
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> it doesn't work, or it's not good enough?
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| 17:23 | <lifeboy> the client in (initramfs) says: Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30. No init found.
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| 17:23 | and then drops me to busybox
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| 17:23 | <vagrantc> this seems like a bigger problem
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| 17:24 | <lifeboy> you think I may have disabled too much in the kernel config before compiling?
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| 17:24 | <vagrantc> it sounds like it's failing to mount your root filesystem
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| 17:24 | is there anything in /root ?
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| 17:25 | <lifeboy> It actually says: "Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30. No init found. Try passing init= bootarg."
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| 17:25 | gimme a sec
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> lifeboy: do you have NBD and squashfs, aufs and tmpfs filesystems?
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| 17:25 | <lifeboy> ls /root shows cow, rofs and var
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| 17:26 | <vagrantc> lifeboy: what's mount say ...
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| 17:26 | * vagrantc is a little weak with ubuntu's setup | |
| 17:27 | <lifeboy> I'll have to type is over... from the client screen... takes time :-)
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| 17:27 | type it over...
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| 17:27 | mount says
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| 17:28 | * vagrantc is most interested in the /root, /cow and /rofs mounts | |
| 17:29 | <vagrantc> my hunch is aufs is missing
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| 17:30 | <lifeboy> It has / type rootfs (rw) /sys type sysfs (rw...) /cow type tempfs /dev/dnb0 /dev /dev/pts and /proc
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| 17:30 | no /aufs
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| 17:30 | <vagrantc> looking for a type aufs
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| 17:30 | or unionfs ... ?
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| 17:30 | <lifeboy> none
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| 17:30 | what is aufs?
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| 17:30 | <vagrantc> another unionfs :)
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| 17:31 | lifeboy: grep AUFS /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/config-*
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| 17:32 | <lifeboy> vagrantc: :-) ye, actually should have asked what is it for
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| 17:32 | <vagrantc> lifeboy: it's for layering filesystems together
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| 17:33 | lifeboy: it's how the read-only NBD is shared across multiple thin clients, by putting a writeable layer on top of the NBD
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| 17:34 | <lifeboy> vagrantc: AUFS result http://pastebin.com/JE9xv2gT
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| 17:34 | sorry, that's for the wrong kernel...
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| 17:34 | let me do it again
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| 17:35 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 17:36 | lifeboy: where's your kernel config?
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| 17:36 | <lifeboy> O, I see, there's no AUFS in my kernel config,
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| 17:36 | <vagrantc> that'd do it.
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| 17:36 | <lifeboy> hence grep doesn't show it
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| 17:36 | So I didn't compile aufs in?
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| 17:36 | <vagrantc> lifeboy: remember when i said you shouldn't change the kernel config?
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| 17:36 | lifeboy: only add what you need, don't disable stuff to "save time"
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| 17:37 | <lifeboy> :-( Yes, I do
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| 17:37 | <vagrantc> computer time is cheap compared to troubleshooting time
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| 17:37 | <lifeboy> :-) Why do I have to (sometimes/always) learn that lesson again
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| 17:37 | ?
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| 17:38 | <vagrantc> in order to really burn it in :)
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| 17:38 | fail faster, fail better, so i hear
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| 17:38 | <lifeboy> Yes, curiosity killed the cat!
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| 17:38 | what would happen if I...
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| 17:38 | ?
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| 17:39 | <vagrantc> no dead cats just yet
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| 17:39 | <lifeboy> Let me redo that. Fortunately I have a nice server so compiling the kernel takes 10 minutes
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| 17:39 | <vagrantc> lifeboy: so, go back, rebuild your kernel with the ubuntu defaults, add the few extra things you need, and try again
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| 17:39 | <lifeboy> will do
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| 17:39 | <lifeboy> thanks for you patience!
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| 17:39 | your patience
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| 17:43 | vagrantc: Before I redo this, can I add the rdc_drv into Ubuntu easily and compile it in?
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| 17:46 | <vagrantc> that i don't knnow
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| 17:46 | i haven't built anything out-of-tree in many, many moons
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| 17:47 | lifeboy: you might try figuring out how to use "dkms" ... i think that's the current way of handling out-of-tree modules ...
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| 17:53 | <lifeboy> vagrantc: ok, will read up on it.
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| 17:56 | <vagrantc> anyone here sucessfully used scotty's libpam-sshauth ?
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| 17:56 | i've got libnss-sshsock working, in some crude sense
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| 19:02 | <highvoltage> I'd like to try it out some time
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| 19:48 | <andygraybeal> so, i'm playing with 11.10 .. yes, i'm evil. i just want to see what it's like - i've installed the 'gnome-session-fallback' is there anything you'd recommend else? like totally removing the unity?
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| 20:42 | <alkisg> vagrantc: epoptes is in a stable state right now, but it will be a bit more unstable for the next couple of weeks because Phantomas is implementing the "classroom editing" feature. Maybe it's a good time to tag a 0.4.0 release and push it to unstable?
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| 20:56 | <andygraybeal> alkisg, sounds like fun :) and exciting
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| 21:10 | <alkisg> It is, especially the "debugging x-server issues for the last 3 days" part :D
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| 21:24 | <andygraybeal> :)
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| 21:57 | <markit> hi, not ltsp related, but I'm trying to dual boot some teacher's PC, and I often troubles
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| 21:57 | the last is: Laptop that was born with vista, a teacher added XP (and now boots only with XP)
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| 21:57 | XP sees 4 partitions
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| 21:57 | gparted can't read the partition table!!!
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| 21:57 | <Hyperbyte> markit, which distro?
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| 21:57 | <markit> so I can't remove XP
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| 21:58 | Hyperbyte: I'm going to install kubuntu, since they have it at school, 11.04
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| 21:58 | but the problmes is at the beginning stage... can't remove XP partitions with gparted, sigh
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| 21:58 | <Hyperbyte> markit, then (and I'm not saying this because I wanna get rid of you), I suggest you ask in #ubuntu
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| 21:58 | AFAIK, you don't have to. Ubuntu installer asks you about partitioning during install if memory serves.
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| 21:59 | <markit> Hyperbyte: is a general question, I'm not even using ubuntu but gparted
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| 21:59 | Hyperbyte: I know, but I'm pretty sure it will not be able to read it too... but let's try
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| 21:59 | since now, gparted has never failed
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| 21:59 | seems like this issue: http://askubuntu.com/questions/29477/ubuntu-cannot-see-windows-7-partitions-on-install
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| 21:59 | <Hyperbyte> Either way, I'm not suggesting you go over to #ubuntu because I think this is Ubuntu related per say, but because there's much more people there, and you can get much better help for general things like this there.
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| 22:00 | <markit> but can't be otherwise XP would not boot, so I'm confused
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| 22:00 | Hyperbyte: I see :)
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| 22:00 | <Hyperbyte> There are 53 people here... 1570 in #ubuntu :)
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| 22:02 | <andygraybeal> your lying Hyperbyte
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| 22:02 | :P
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| 22:03 | <Hyperbyte> andygraybeal, how much am I off?
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| 22:03 | I did check before saying. :P
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| 22:03 | <andygraybeal> i wish i could simply answer to people, yes your problem is windows (insert version number). please get rid of it.
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| 22:03 | Hyperbyte, i'm just being stupid. this channel of course has more attendance than #ubuntu.
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| 22:03 | <Hyperbyte> Although it's 1571, now that markit joined. :)
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| 22:07 | <andygraybeal> never!
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| 22:07 | uhg, too much coffee
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| 22:08 | <Hyperbyte> uhg!
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| 22:08 | ;-)
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| 22:10 | <markit> maybe I've found the explainatino
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| 22:10 | http://superuser.com/questions/293339/gparted-errors-on-mbr-disk-claims-its-gpt-its-mistaken-but-why
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| 22:10 | answer 1
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| 22:11 | <vagrantc> alkisg: did you want to switch to ssvnc, or just stick with xvnc4viewer?
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| 22:11 | <alkisg> vagrantc: if it works better for you 24bpp card, then no problem from me
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| 22:11 | They both have the same functionality
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| 22:11 | xvnc4viewer needs a bit less ram
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| 22:11 | *your
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| 22:12 | <vagrantc> ah, i didn't notice you had made mmore commits
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| 22:12 | <alkisg> Lots :)
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| 22:12 | Especially the newly discovered "x-server-side scaling" is quite significant
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| 22:12 | <vagrantc> cool
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| 22:12 | i only tested with a single client
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| 22:30 | <lifeboy_> vagrantc: I have done a lot of testing and searching, but I cannot find AUFS mentioned in the config file, not elsewhere. Where does this come in and how do I get support for it into the kernel?
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| 22:42 | Does anyone know how aufs is use in LTSP? I see it's the replacement unionfs in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS live CD, but there's not package aufs-modules-2.6 or similar in Ubunti 10.04.
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| 22:43 | ga, sorry for my poor typing. It's way past midnight here...
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| 22:43 | <alkisg> What are you trying to do?
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| 22:44 | <lifeboy_> alkisg: I'm still sorting out Ubuntu LTSP on my vortex client. vagrantc helped me troubleshoot earlier and we found that aufs or unionfs is not mounted in the client
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| 22:45 | <alkisg> Wow, you'd buy 100 other clients with all the time you invested on this :)
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| 22:46 | <lifeboy_> That's ok! Once I've got it all figured out, it will be worth it for large new installations... :-)
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| 22:47 | and if I'd bought the clients I would have learning nothing! ;-P
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| 22:47 | <alkisg> So you have nbd properly mounted, and the problem is aufs?
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| 22:47 | <lifeboy_> yes, nbd is there, but not aufs
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| 22:47 | <alkisg> Then why did nbd-client failed when you tried it in the break=mount step?
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| 22:47 | <lifeboy_> problem is I don't see aufs in the .config file
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| 22:48 | after switching to ubuntu, not xlinux anymore the nbd problem went away
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| 22:49 | So I'm using stock standard Ubuntu 10.04 now
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| 22:49 | <alkisg> I think we were testing a couple of weeks ago, and with ubuntu 10.04 you tried break=mount, and I told you to run nbd-client to mount the disk, and that part suceeded,
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| 22:49 | but ls /mnt failed
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| 22:49 | That indicated a broken nbd module in your ubuntu 10.04
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| 22:49 | Has that changed?
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| 22:50 | (nbd or network driver or something)
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| 22:50 | <lifeboy_> No, that was not with Ubuntu, it was with the vortex86 linux (xlinux) distro
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| 22:51 | <alkisg> I'm pretty sure it was with Ubuntu, because I was telling you instructions to test inside the ubuntu initramfs
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| 22:51 | You can test again if you want
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| 22:51 | Just put break=mount in your pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 22:51 | Then run nbd-client server-ip 2000 /dev/nbd0
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| 22:51 | Then mount -o loop /dev/nbd0 /mnt
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| 22:51 | And then ls /mnt
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| 22:51 | <alkisg> If that works, your nbd module and network card is fine
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| 22:52 | <lifeboy_> Ubuntu has a r6040 ethernet driver, but its not compiled by default. Yes, it's from an Ubuntu server, but nbd mounts fine
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| 22:52 | <alkisg> And then your run the aufs command?
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| 22:52 | And it says what, module not found?
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| 22:52 | Try it up to there, and continue with tmpfs+aufs
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| 22:53 | <lifeboy_> I get dropped to busybox and then, if I type aufs, it's says "not found"
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| 22:53 | <alkisg> There's no aufs executable
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| 22:53 | Try what I said above, and I'll tell you the next commands after that.
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| 22:54 | <lifeboy_> which is why I asked where aufs comes from, ie how to I get it into Ubuntu
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| 22:54 | <alkisg> The command is called "mount"
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| 22:54 | mount -t aufs -o dirs=/cow=rw:/rofs=ro aufs ${rootmnt}
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| 22:54 | If you want help, do what I said above, and we'll continue after the nbd mounting
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| 22:57 | <lifeboy_> I doing it, it just takes time, since I can't cut and paste from the client! :-)
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| 23:00 | nbd-client 172.16.0.1 2000 /dev/nbd0 says: Negotiation: ..size = 5502956KB (newline) bs=1024, sz=5502956
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| 23:00 | mount shows the /dev/bnd0 mounted on /root/rofs type tmpfs
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| 23:01 | that's /dev/nbd0, sorry
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| 23:01 | <alkisg> Did you put break=mount ?
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| 23:01 | In pxelinux.cfg/default?
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| 23:30 | <lifeboy_> alkisg: before I get the break=mount (at least so it seems) on the client, I get dropped to a busybox shell. Here are the results: http://pastebin.com/j82mH9qA
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| 23:31 | !seen alkisg
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| 23:31 | <ltsp> lifeboy_: alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 29 minutes and 47 seconds ago: <alkisg> In pxelinux.cfg/default?
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| 23:57 | <Matrix3000-Home> !learn
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| 23:57 | <ltsp> Matrix3000-Home: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
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| 23:59 | <Matrix3000-Home> !ltsp-update-kernels
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| 23:59 | <ltsp> Matrix3000-Home: ltsp-update-kernels: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man8/ltsp-update-kernels.8.html
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| 23:59 | <Matrix3000-Home> !fat-client
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| 23:59 | <ltsp> Matrix3000-Home: I do not know about 'fat-client', but I do know about these similar topics: 'fatclients'
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| 23:59 | <Matrix3000-Home> !fatclients
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| 23:59 | <ltsp> Matrix3000-Home: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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