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Channel log from 19 December 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:55 | <raaj> Hi team, am setting up a training center, I have 64 bit core i7 server with 8GB ram. my question can I have both 32bit and 64 bit thin clients? what is the minimum hardware requirement for the client.
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| 02:58 | am planning to get thin clients but not sure whether I can have different architectures of thin clients connected to the server. please help
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| 06:21 | <xdrazen> hi
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| 06:21 | alkisg good night
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| 06:22 | <alkisg> Hi xdrazen
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| 06:22 | Did you solve the kernel failure issue?
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| 06:22 | <xdrazen> alkisg, i got a issue in the afternoon... anything good happens
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| 06:23 | <alkisg> What issue?
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| 06:23 | <xdrazen> look with 96mb ram in the client it gets the same kernel panic than VM
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| 06:23 | with less than 70mb ram in that
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| 06:23 | <alkisg> With 128 does it boot?
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| 06:23 | <xdrazen> what happens is that my rams are kinda 32+32+16+16
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| 06:24 | <alkisg> First lets see if you have this working fine, and the problem is only with your ram
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| 06:24 | <xdrazen> when i tried to make 32*4 ipxe just stops
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| 06:24 | <alkisg> So, try with another client or something else, with >=128 mb ram
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| 06:24 | Can you boot with e.g. ppro and 128 mb ram?
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| 06:24 | <xdrazen> all those p pro gets the same issue
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| 06:24 | <alkisg> What is your bigger ram in them?
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| 06:24 | Do you have a ppro with a lot of ram?
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| 06:25 | <xdrazen> ipxe stops, anything happens
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| 06:25 | <alkisg> Please answer the question
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| 06:25 | <xdrazen> all the ppro has their 16+16+32+32
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| 06:25 | <alkisg> OK can you put 32+32+32+32 in one of them?
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| 06:25 | <xdrazen> i done it
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| 06:26 | <alkisg> Does it boot?
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| 06:26 | <xdrazen> i am with that one right now
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| 06:26 | ipxe is the issue then
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| 06:26 | i mean, ipxe begin to load
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| 06:26 | ask the ctrl+b and then stops
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| 06:26 | not even the light of the keyboard can work
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| 06:26 | <alkisg> Maybe you put the ram wrong
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| 06:27 | Do you know how to run memtest?
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| 06:27 | <xdrazen> i tried even 32+32+32+16 and the same issue
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| 06:27 | <alkisg> ipxe doesn't have an issue with ram
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| 06:27 | it can run with even 16 mb ram
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| 06:27 | or less
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| 06:27 | so it sounds like a problem with your pc
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| 06:27 | Please answer the question
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| 06:28 | <xdrazen> exactly
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| 06:28 | <alkisg> (08:27:00 πμ) alkisg: Do you know how to run memtest?
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| 06:28 | <xdrazen> i am over it
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| 06:28 | i am making the memtest now... i will see what happens
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| 06:29 | <alkisg> Try the following steps:
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| 06:29 | 1) Make a client with 32+32+32+32 MB RAM
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| 06:29 | 2) Run memtest to verify it's ok
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| 06:29 | <xdrazen> maybe it is really a issue with the p pro clients like they are lower than p2
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| 06:30 | i am doing it right now, but i guess that it will take its time
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| 06:30 | <alkisg> 3) Put a network card the ipxe recognizes so that it works with it
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| 06:30 | 4) Try to boot ltsp-pnp with it
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| 06:30 | 5) *Then* you can try to minimize the RAM usage
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| 06:30 | But, did you read what I wrote to you 2 days ago?
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| 06:30 | That even when you boot them, you won't be able to use them with any linux distribution?
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| 06:31 | Because of xorg pixmaps?
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| 06:31 | <xdrazen> no i did not...
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| 06:31 | well trying those one can boot puppy 5.5 and tiny core
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| 06:32 | <alkisg> Can you then use firefox 42 in that?
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| 06:32 | Or it just boots and then you can't do anything with it?
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| 06:32 | <xdrazen> i was wondering if i could make that remote desktop option
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| 06:32 | <alkisg> What do you want to do with those clients?
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| 06:32 | Do you want to run firefox in them?
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| 06:32 | <xdrazen> they can use abiword and gnumeric, when trying the seamonkey it stops
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| 06:32 | <alkisg> seamonkey is firefox, yes
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| 06:32 | <xdrazen> not really
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| 06:33 | <alkisg> So you can't use a browser that way, they don't have enough ram
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| 06:33 | What programs do you want to run in them?
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| 06:33 | <xdrazen> most only abiword and gnumeric
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| 06:33 | <alkisg> No internet?
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| 06:34 | <xdrazen> even having acces, really does not matter. I mean, i could put a "minumum browser"
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| 06:34 | i saw some interesting web browsers in ubuntu software center
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| 06:34 | <alkisg> Like what?
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| 06:35 | <xdrazen> something like a boat, or even text browsing
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| 06:35 | cannot remember what browser i used to navigate with
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| 06:36 | <alkisg> OK then you can use ltsp with those, yes. You can run dillo and netsurf and abiword and gnumeric with so little ram, but not firefox and libreoffice etc
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| 06:36 | <xdrazen> test#7 in memtest and all is going allright
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| 06:36 | ^^ i got that
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| 06:36 | <alkisg> Which kernel do you have in the server? ls /boot/vmlinuz*
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| 06:37 | <xdrazen> really really not sure. i installed the ubuntu 12.04.1
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| 06:37 | <alkisg> That's why I told you the command to run
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| 06:37 | Please read
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| 06:37 | ls /boot/vmlinuz*
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| 06:39 | <xdrazen> 3.2.0-24
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| 06:40 | <alkisg> This is not the correct output
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| 06:40 | A filename is needed
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| 06:40 | For example, /boot/vmlinuz-4.3.0-2-generic
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| 06:40 | This tells me that I have the pae kernel. Your output does not tell me if you have pae or not.
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| 06:41 | Please type all the output.
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| 06:42 | About ipxe, you should ask in their channel: /join #ipxe, and then ask "Does ipxe work with old CPUs, like pentium pro?"
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| 06:42 | If it does not, then you need to copy the kernel and initramfs locally.
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| 06:42 | But I haven't seen ipxe complaining about old cpus yet
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| 06:43 | <xdrazen> i am really ashamed, i cannot say what kernel i have, i am not on the server machine now
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| 06:44 | <alkisg> Did you ever manage to boot one of your older clients with ltsp?
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| 06:46 | <xdrazen_> sorry i got dc
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| 06:46 | <alkisg> Did you ever manage to boot one of your older clients with ltsp?
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| 06:47 | <xdrazen_> no one of my p pro could work
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| 06:47 | but the "boot" yes it works
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| 06:47 | <alkisg> What "boot"? Do you mean ipxe?
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| 06:48 | <xdrazen_> yes, it workes, and after a bit time, i god a kernel error
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| 06:48 | <alkisg> This is good
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| 06:48 | <xdrazen_> -***i got
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| 06:48 | <alkisg> You don't have the correct kernel, you have a pae kernel, you need to add non-pae for the ppro clients
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| 06:48 | So, ipxe loads or not?
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| 06:49 | Because you said that it doesn't load, and then that it loads the kernel and you have kernel panic
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| 06:49 | <xdrazen_> it was kinda :kernel thread x06 x10
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| 06:49 | <alkisg> This is good
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| 06:49 | When does ipxe not work?
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| 06:49 | <xdrazen_> ipxe loads with 64 96 ram but higher it stops
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| 06:49 | <alkisg> I don't understand
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| 06:49 | It works with 64MB RAM and with 96MB RAM, but it doesn't work with more RAM?
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| 06:50 | <xdrazen_> memtest is done, any error
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| 06:50 | yes! it is strange
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| 06:50 | <alkisg> But you said you don't have more ram
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| 06:51 | <xdrazen_> with 32+32+32+32 or 32+32+32+16 it does not work
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| 06:51 | <alkisg> How did you run memtest now, with 32+32+32+32 ?
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| 06:51 | <xdrazen_> yes i done with that
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| 06:51 | <alkisg> And if you load ipxe now, what message does it show?
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| 06:55 | <xdrazen> sorry
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| 06:55 | i am getting dc
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| 06:55 | well what i got is the same than ever
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| 06:56 | <xdrazen> it loads ipxe.krn
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| 06:56 | ipxe initialising devices ok
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| 06:56 | then the protocols supported and just inmediatly
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| 06:56 | it stops
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| 06:57 | <alkisg> OK, read the previous things I said about the #ipxe channel
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| 06:57 | Bye for now!
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| 06:58 | <xdrazen> alkisg, about that kernel with PAE, how do i get the no PAE kernel?¿
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| 06:58 | cyberorg... i need only an advice
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| 07:00 | about the remote desktop that you said
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| 07:00 | what tiny core version do i need? and what open suse versions should i use?
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| 07:02 | <cyberorg> https://sourceforge.net/p/kiwi-ltsp/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/tinycore-thinclient/ is the pxe boot ready version
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| 07:02 | any tinycore which has rdesktop installed will work with any distro that has xrdp server running
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| 07:03 | <xdrazen> that is strange, downloaded and tryed to boot the 6 version and it does not load
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| 07:03 | but the 1.4 yes do it, i must try some another...
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| 07:04 | http://sourceforge.net/p/kiwi-ltsp/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/tinycore-thinclient/
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| 07:05 | those are the programs for make that
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| 07:05 | they can fit in any linux distro right?
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| 07:06 | but, i really would rather use a opensuse distro. Could you send me a link for download one that could handle this and would be less than 1gb¿
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| 07:10 | <cyberorg> just use any distro you already have pxe booting set up
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| 07:11 | <xdrazen> i know that i am free for choose the distro that i would like, but... i really would rather to use the defaults and suggested, at less for now, with more exp i will make other trys
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| 07:12 | kinda i am really afraid to mess this
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| 07:14 | <cyberorg> you got ANY test ltsp server running?
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| 07:15 | <xdrazen> the 14.04 edubuntu and 12.04.1 ubuntu
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| 07:15 | but them bot cannot load in the p pro for the kernel panic that i comented
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| 07:17 | btw, really here does not matter the architecture, or it does?
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| 07:19 | <cyberorg> install tinycore on any of those server to test
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| 07:19 | tinycore has its own kernel, we need server just to pxeboot and server nfs
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| 07:20 | set the server up according to tips in the set up script after making changes required as per your setup
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| 07:21 | <xdrazen> just hold me there
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| 07:21 | install tinycore, the link that you sent me, in any of them, but with the ltsp working?
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| 07:25 | <cyberorg> yes
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| 07:26 | <xdrazen> i will try, now i am tired, it is 3:30am here. Thanks a lot. I will be back soon
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