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hi, does someone had made an stress test to a ltsp server? and do you have the test plan?
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Hey warren... maybe some useful info for you:
could you please e-mail a list?
On Fedora 9 LTSP didn't work with sound by default because permissions on /dev/snd/ on the client didn't allow the logged in user to access the device
I'm far away from home now
Hyperbyte: hmm, I've never seen that happen
It was rw-rw---- root root
|05:05||* warren tests it|
After I added chmod 777 /dev/snd/* to /etc/rc.d/rc.local, LTSP sound started working.
*all* applications don't output sound?
Hyperbyte: applications should be using ALSA's pulseaudio conduit for sound output. pulseaudio daemon itself is running as root, so this shouldn't be a permission issue.
Hyperbyte: are you talking about a local app?
warren: I didn't dive into it that far, so I'm not sure about the underlying conduits...
All I know is I never got LTSP sound to work with Fedora 9, until I allowed user access to /dev/snd... it was actually quite a surprise to hear a Gnome greeting sound. :)
Hyperbyte: any application outputting to ALSA automatically is routed through pulseaudio
I've NEVER seen it fail
and I never touch those permissions
|05:10||* Hyperbyte shrugs|
could you please post this to the list?
maybe somebody else knows what is going on
Which list? =)
k, I'll try to do that today...
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On some ltsp clients I want to force X_MODE_0=a full modeline. But I don't know the full modeline, so for now I set it seperately for each user with the Gnome resolution tool. How can I see the full modeline that Gnome tells X to use?
Setting X_MODE_0=resolution only, X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH doesn't work, it hangs up the clients, I need a full modeline...
the gnome resolution tool uses xrandr
write a script that applies xrandr settings in teh chroot based on a lts.conf variable ;)
|07:00||* alkisg starts reading about xrandr...|
just type xrandr in a terminal :)
it shows you all options it knows
Oh, simple!!! :P
well, you might want to create new modes, fro that gogle is your friend ...
one harder part might be to find the output device but i think you safely can assume the default device on ltsp
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ogra, X reports this mode, I see it in Xorg.7.log, but if I set this to lts.conf it doesn't work, another resolution is used... don't know why
ogra, btw, in a TC, DISPLAY=:7 xterm used to work, but now it doesn't, do you know why?
in intrepid ?
(it used to work on hardy)
X_MODE will only be used in an xorg.conf file ... so you need to set X_CONFIGURE=True
we dont use that by default anymore in intrepid
ogra, yes, I do set CONFIGURE_X=True
and for jaunty i plan to have an xrandr script as described above
and I see a different resolution than the default, but not the one I specify
Ah, ok, nevermind then, I wanted something "more permanent" to be easier for the teacher in this lab (I'll only be there for a year), but if jaunty has it, it's ok
any idea about DISPLAY=:7 xterm not working?
A get a warning "this program is an suid-root program..."
is DISPLAY=:7 in use ?
Yes, ldm is loaded there
But it used to work on hardy, it showed me an xterm over the greeter
yu probably need xauth allowance
ok, thanks, I'll try something about xauth
like some xhost call to allow connections from localhost for that display
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yeap, xrandr works fine!!! :)
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good morning friends
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ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cliebow: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have sound on my thin clients, but volume control doesn't work. How can I change that?
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Does the volume control slider appear, it's just moving it does nothing?
or does the slider not appear?
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sbalneav: volume icon/slider is there, can move, but does nothing.
Maybe it's not pointing at the pulse mixer device
Right click on it, select preferences, and make sure it's set on the ALSA pulse mixer device.
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K - will check that. Thx.
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hey, this you?
the pic at the bottom right doesnt really look like you
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ah, its angelina jolie :) i should read first :)
has anyone had any luck removing the "places" and "system" drop-down menu from a ubuntu guest account?
Gadi: happy 10th anniversary! =)
why the hell would you want to do that ?
_UsUrPeR_, it's built into the applet
there's another menu applet that is more windowslike
but i think it still includes Places and system in there
_UsUrPeR_, maybe there's some gconf magic?
there isnt, but .menu file magic
have a close look at the edubuntu-menus package for how to fiddle with it
|11:45||* Lns still needs to look at edubuntu-menus|
warren, where can I look in the chroot to see what's being executed on login?
This is weird...after the latest chroot update, my numpad doesn't work *at all*, no matter if the light is on or not.
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|11:53||* Nubae is starting to hate Moodle|
why is something so simple like embedding a php script so god damn hard
Nubae: you've been cursing moodle for some time now =)
rewrite it in python ?
yeah... am a bit stuck... I dont see any way around hacking at the core code
using python I'd have to use django to embed forms I suppose
johnnyjohnny: bummer :/
oh... redacy one portion of your name :)
|11:59||* _UsUrPeR__ goes off "the sauce" before noon|
is there something wrong with my vbox, or my ltsp? I'm trying to test my ltsp with a vbox thinclient. the pxe disk loads,gets an IP address, and then fails, having not gotten a file or root path.
is the NIC set to intnet?
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Does anyone have HP T5530 thin-clients?
I'm having freezing issues with them.. I've passed the parm X_VIDEORAM = 16384 in lts.conf as I've seen in some posts, but they're still having major issues
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is anyone running the disklessworkstations 1400? the one with dvi and 8x agp? if so how are they working out?
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six2one: sorry, I use the 1220 PXE..
Lns: how they working out?
no issues whatsoever, and i'm on it all day long with at least 5 apps open all the time
streaming internet radio, YT, thunderbird, sunbird, xchat, vmware, others
it's been great
probably the only thin client i've found that hasn't had some sort of major issue
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Lns: what version of ltsp u running and did u need any special x drivers for those?
six2one: LTSP5 under ubuntu 8.04, and no
everything worked OOTB
Lns: i was wondering about that cause i have some POS CLI ones now that barely work...geode chipset and they are slow...so i moved to dell gx100s (433 cel and up)
Lns: the disklessworkstations website mentions that there is a special x driver for the 1200 series, which is why i asked
six2one: that's for 4.2 i think
Lns: damn i love ltsp
Personally I'd stay away from the Geodes if you're going to be doing heavy duty (read: normal workstation) work on it
they're a bit slow, but they'd work great for a lightweight WM and/or CLI work
six2one: well you're in the right place then ;)
Lns: I found the geode to be rather fast
Lns: not these geodes...they suck like hell...they can barely run x
the one in thincan
Nubae: what TC are you using w/geode?
|12:58||* Lns hasn't tried a thincan yet|
sugar flies on it...
haha..well sugar != gnome by a longshot
faster than asus eeepc
I know :-)
but gnome works fine too
Nubae: is there any wiki up for getting sugar up and running i can check out?
yes there is: www.nubae.com
the 2nd post from the top documents all the steps for integrating on Ubuntu LTSP
Nubae: congrats, u now have another blog follower :-)
guess I should or Lns should integrate that into UbuntuLTSP wiki
hint hint nudge nudge wink
Nubae: :p you know it IS an open wiki ;)
I'll throw a link on there if you want though.. but if you want any real content you'll have to put it on yourself =)
ah but u do it much better than I, lol
i know next to nothing about sugar
you get me the content and i'll put it up
its here: http://www.nubae.com/sugar-on-ltsp-ubuntu-intrepid-ibex
there ya go
Gadi: "sugar" is for anyone curious, this is how to get sugar, ejabberd and collaboration working perfectly on LTSP: http://www.nubae.com/sugar-on-ltsp-ubuntu-intrepid-ibex
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ogra: Error: "salt" is not a valid command.
ogra: Error: "pepper" is not a valid command.
what a stale bot :P
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Lns: Error: "weaksauce" is not a valid command.
Nubae: i'll get that up in a bit
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cliebow: Error: "tamari" is not a valid command.
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dommit stupid netsplits!
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|17:05||* vagrantc sighs seeing the ldm upload for hppa|
Ryan52: trying our your Xsession patch now
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vagrantc: how did that work out?
vagrantc: oh, because of a certain problem, you'll have to "make distclean" and rerun autogen.sh and configure...
the certain problem being that your packaging doesn't use debhelper 7...:)
Ryan52: seems like ldm.xsession doesn't actually get set in get_Xsession, so it falls back to LDM_DEFAULT_XSESSION
Ryan52: it just sets curr_hosts ...
Ryan52: i tried tacking on a ldm.xsession = curr_hosts->xsession; ... but not sure that's really what i need to do
oh, yes, it should (and did, originally) have that.
I had had debugging statements in there that told me where it got the xsession from, and told me what it was so that I knew it was falling back apropriotly...
I must have removed that line when I took out the debugging..
err, apropriotly :)
|18:21||* vagrantc understands|
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is there any way to have bzr combine two commits? or edit commits?
Ryan52: where it calls ldm_info_init or whatever ... it was called with the getenv("LDM_SERVER"); ... will that properly handle selecting a different server?
the fact that bzr doesn't (or at least I don't know how to) have a "git rebase -i" really screws me up...I almost never make mistakes like that when using git, because I commit like crazy and then rebase them together later...
what is LDM_SERVER?
the code implies that it's a space separated list of possible servers...
if it is, then it will be handled fine. if not, then I'm confused.
hmmm... i *thought* it was the actual selected server. but i could be mistaken.
or rather, the default server ... but it might be whitespace separated list of servers ...
i'll experiment with it and see how it handles.
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hrm. server selection seems broken.
|18:37||* vagrantc tries with an older ldm|
okay, that makes sense.
because the greeter is using the same mechanism as my code.
so if the greeter's ldminfo code is broken too, then that would make sense.
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(it uses the ldminfo list for more than just stuff from ldminfod, I think)
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seems like it may be broken for autologin/guestlogin/login_timeout ...
server selection, that is ...
vagrantc: so where is the list of servers kept? and how is it broken for only those? /me is confused a bit
Ryan52: well, LDM_SERVER is a space-separated list of servers ... as far as where it's kept within LDM, i don't know.
Ryan52: but it seems to ignore server selection when using guestlogin and login_timeout
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vagrantc: soo...ummm...does it? :)
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looks like load_guestinfo() selects the first server weather another has been selected or not.
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first tries LDM_GUEST_SERVER, LDM_AUTOLOGIN_SERVER and the LDM_SERVER ... and picks the first server in any of those lists.
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|19:23||* Ryan52 thought that that was how it was supposed to work..|
vagrantc_: for example, we want the default server to by ryukin, but the default for guests to be gimpy.
there's no way to make that work if we allow choosing for the guest...
Ryan52: well, we also need to be able to select other guest login servers, but exclude the non-guest servers ...
Ryan52: for example "hardy"
oh, ya, crap...
guess we could validate the list against LDM_GUEST_SERVER or LDM_AUTOLOGIN_SERVER, and if they pick a different server while choosing autologin, error out with a message
but that's getting a little complicated
so then when they sit down and press the button it says "ryukin is not a guest server".
that would confuse me badly...
gah. this is a feature-blocker for freegeek switching to ldm... *sigh*
i *thought* we had it ...
it wasn't when we implemented it though.
sure it was
cause hardy was added more recently than when I started playing with ldm.
we've had multiple anonymous login servers in the past ...
well, I didn't know that :)
|19:29||* vagrantc_ ponders how to implement it cleanly...|
maybe if it's not in the LDM_GUEST_SERVER list, then choose LDM_DEFAULT_GUEST_SERVER
(or something like that)
or the 0th entry of LDM_GUEST_SERVER
that's pretty sane ...
although it silently going to a different server is a little ugly...
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could at the very least log it.
|19:36||* Ryan52 nods|
okay, I'll work on that then...and have it done whenever :)
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Ryan52: i pushed the other changes, too.
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|19:45||* Ryan52 noticed|
Ryan52: that's nearly the spec folks had been talking about since before the july hackfest
regarding the Xsession handling...
it's still missing the "check what's on the server if the server didn't provide it" part.
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|19:58||* Ryan52 wonders if vagrantc_ is intending to do that or if he's telling me cause he wants me to do it...:D|
i'm just happy to have the Xsession from ldminfod bit ...
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Does anyone know with Ubuntu 8.04 how to get the Xserver to listen on Port udp 177 not udp6 177?
you mean xdmcp?
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I'm just in the process of disabling ipv6 and that might fix it.
im noy sure why you are in xdmcp these days...seems like i got bitten by the ipv6 thing years ago
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