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| 00:40 | <bennabiy> alkisg, vagrantc: Updated the code, pull a new copy and I think you will like the changes better. It basically pulls the bare minimums lp:~bennabiy/ltsp/lm17
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| 00:52 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: let me know if you see any problems with it... I am going to bed!
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| 03:16 | <mmetzger> Where can I specify which NBD server to load the boot image from, the pxelinux.cfg options?
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| 03:30 | scratch - found it.
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| 08:24 | <alkisg> ogra_: hello! could you recommend a tablet, about 10", for ubuntu?
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| 08:25 | <ogra_> alkisg, the only one we have images for is the N10 ... but tablet isnt the focus this cycle and the 10" is particulary bad maintained atm
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| 08:26 | (the nexus7 is very well usable though)
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| 08:27 | <alkisg> Gotcha, thanks!
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| 12:20 | <JuJuBee> I used rsync to copy the contents of a fresh install on computer to my server. I ran update-kernels and keys and image. When I try to boot, I get message about cannot find vmlinuz-3.5.0-49-generic
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| 12:20 | <Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, check /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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| 12:20 | The answer is in there. Especially compare the vmlinuz files in there with what's specific in pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 12:21 | *specified
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| 12:21 | (also, ltsp-update-kernels should fix any problems there I think)
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| 12:21 | <JuJuBee> pxelinux.cfg/default has that kernel in it but the chroot is uing 3.13.0-35
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| 12:21 | <Hyperbyte> Oh, did you forget to ltsp-update-image?
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| 12:21 | <JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: amd64
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| 12:21 | Hyperbyte: I ran update-kernels
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| 12:21 | <Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, i386/amd64 procedures are same.
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| 12:22 | JuJuBee, you are using NBD, right?
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| 12:22 | <JuJuBee> Ashamed to say I am not entirely sure.
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| 12:22 | <Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, which OS?
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| 12:23 | Ubuntu?
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| 12:23 | <JuJuBee> I really haven't done anything with it for over a year.
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| 12:23 | Ubuntu
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| 12:23 | <Hyperbyte> Then you're using NBD.
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| 12:23 | Run ltsp-update-image
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| 12:23 | THEN run ltsp-update-kernels
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| 12:23 | ltsp-update-kernels actually looks for the kernel inside the actual LTSP NBD image, not inside the chroot itself.
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| 12:26 | <JuJuBee> So I ran update-image and THEN kernels and still same problem
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| 12:26 | Can I just update the pxelinux.cfg/default file to point to new kernels?
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| 12:26 | Hyperbyte: I am using fat client if that makes any diff
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| 12:43 | <Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, yes, but everytime you rebuild image or run ltsp-update-kernels this problem will come back.
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| 12:52 | <JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: why is it not updating correctly?
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| 12:53 | <Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, that is the question, yes. :)
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| 13:13 | <JuJuBee> So I updated default in pxelinux.cfg and rebooted. I got the splash screen for Ubuntu and the login screen. It seems to be hanging after login with the powder blue background for ltsp. The mouse is a spinning wheel . Any thoughts?
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| 13:20 | So, what should be the correct way to change my image from a 12.04 to 14.04? Should I update the server and start from scratch by create image or is there a better way>?
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| 13:27 | <JuJuBee> Just a thought, should I have removed the image in /opt/ltsp/image before doing update image?
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| 14:47 | <JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: How can I start from scratch with a new image? I reset everything back to before I copied the chroot over and changed kernel in default but now when I try to login, i enter username and password and get sent back to login screen. I tested username and pass via ssh and both good.
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| 14:48 | My server is running 12.04 and I want to create a 14.04 image to boot for clients (fat)
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| 15:37 | <JuJuBee> Anyone willing to help someone in distress? I am unable to boot from ltsp server. I got login screen and entered my u & p and just spinning at the moment.
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| 16:03 | <Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, hi.
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| 16:03 | !screen_02
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| 16:03 | <ltsp> screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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| 16:03 | <Hyperbyte> Do that, and from that terminal type
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| 16:03 | ssh <username>@server
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| 16:03 | Replace <username> with your username, leave rest (including @server) intact.
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| 16:04 | What happens exactly? Can you log in? Does it ask you to confirm ssh key?
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| 16:23 | <JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: thanks, I had to work with a new group of students. So I CAN ssh to the server from the client
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| 16:24 | I have a feeling I forgot to install nfs-common in my client image before sending it to the server.
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| 16:24 | It might be hanging on the fstab directive to mount /home from a different server.
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| 16:26 | Hyperbyte: im going to install it and rsync the HD back up to the server and try again.
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| 16:36 | <Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, wait - debug first.
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| 16:36 | Don't just try random things.
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| 16:36 | If you want to know if /home is being mounted, that's easy
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| 16:37 | Go to !screen_02 and type ls -al /home/
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| 17:30 | <JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: Was busy with students. So I now have home mounted but still spinning after login
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| 17:34 | <Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, check /var/log/auth.log on the server after failed login.
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| 17:36 | <JuJuBee> http://pastebin.com/Emv8qjds
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| 17:37 | I can't say the login failed, it is just spinning now (mouse is a spinning wheel instead of pointer)
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| 17:51 | <ben_nabiy> vagrantc: please pull the code again. I think it is much better for only the bare minimums for mint
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| 17:52 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: And those values I plugged in are straight from a fresh install of mint, before it even rebooted (fresh out of the installer)
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| 17:52 | anyways, off to mow. :)
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| 17:57 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: i might not have a chance, getting ready to travel for a bit
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| 17:57 | bennabiy: but will see
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| 17:57 | bennabiy: not sure if alkisg or another committer might be able to review if i miss it
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| 18:26 | <JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: I have to go but I will leave my session open and check it in the morning. I am willing to just start from scratch, but I don;t know how to create a 14.04 image for clients on a server running 12.04
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| 19:12 | <Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, looks like it's all working. It's a bit strange that it does an sftp subsystem request though, as /home/ is mounted via NFS. Try -not- mounting /home/ via NFS, see what happens.
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| 19:13 | JuJuBee, otherwise, you can always do a fresh install of 14.04
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| 19:13 | Although upgrades -do- work, I upgraded from 12.04 to 14.04. Thin clients.
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| 19:13 | First upgraded the server, then clients. Although it worked fine with 14.04 server and 12.04 clients.
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| 19:14 | There were some issues associated with the upgrade though (mostly because of the new Gnome version and dconf changes, in my case)... good chance you won't run into these.
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| 19:30 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: fair enough
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| 19:30 | Not sure who the other commiters are
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| 19:31 | I guess I should make an official merge request then.
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| 19:31 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: alkisg's been one of the other active folks ... stgraber on occasion
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| 19:36 | <bennabiy> yes, I was aware of him and you
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| 19:36 | I knew stgraber was ubuntu related
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| 19:36 | Have not had much luck in communicating with him in the past
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| 19:37 | vagrantc: I guess if it has to wait till you get back, my ppa is going to have the new code for those who want to use it
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| 19:37 | I still need to do more for fat client support, but for now, this works
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| 19:38 | * bennabiy mutters something about ENOTIME | |
| 19:38 | <bennabiy> pesky bugs
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| 19:39 | <gothaggis> has anyone successfully deployed Google Chrome as a local app? (not chromium) - it starts on the thin client for me, but appears to 'minimize' and wont maximize or anything.
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| 19:47 | <||cw> but chromium works ok?
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| 19:48 | what does chrome do that chromium doens't, other than add in user tracking code
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| 19:48 | <gothaggis> haven't tried chromium yet
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| 20:01 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: that looks better, although i'm still not sure why you need the change to LATE_PACKAGES
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| 20:01 | bennabiy: is it just to prevent someone from shooting themselves in the foot?
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| 20:01 | <bennabiy> somewhat
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| 20:02 | It is a hard thing to figure out what is going on
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| 20:02 | when trying to find out why the build does not fail, but all you end up with is ubuntu in the end
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| 20:02 | <vagrantc> or is it because ubuntu already has LATE_PACKAGES set earlier in the process?
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| 20:04 | <bennabiy> the point is someone is either defaulting to making it a mint chroot because someone is building from a mint server, or because someone went through the effort to make it a mint chroot by manually setting it. IF someone then decides to put custom packages in say ltsp-build-client.conf, they would override the "suggested" packages as default, and nullify the mint chroot
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| 20:04 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: can't you test for MINT_DIST being empty instead of creating a new variable?
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| 20:05 | COPY_MINT_LIST ?
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| 20:05 | just use MINT_DIST instead?
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| 20:06 | <bennabiy> just pushed it
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| 20:09 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: so it definitely doesn't work with LATE_PACKAGES the way it was before? software-gtk-properties ends up getting installed?
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| 20:09 | bennabiy: because the pinning should stop that from happening
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| 20:10 | <bennabiy> yes, pinning does, but someone using the config file stops mint from working, and a regular user would not know why
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| 20:10 | because they are setting mint to install, but do not know the base packages to "make mint"
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| 20:10 | <gothaggis> i tried Chromium as a local app (ubuntu 14.04) and it appears to be doing the same thing that Chrome did. I see that it is running but it won't maximize.
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| 20:11 | <bennabiy> it still builds a chroot, but would not have anything mint, except the apt settings
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| 20:11 | it would only be ubuntu
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| 20:11 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: if a user sets LATE_PACKAGES?
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| 20:11 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 20:11 | in a config
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| 20:11 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: how about a MINT_PACKAGES variable?
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| 20:12 | <bennabiy> sure
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| 20:12 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: and then add it to LATE_PACKAGES?
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| 20:12 | this is starting to look mergeable.
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| 20:13 | <bennabiy> So what do you propose for MINT_PACKAGES?
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| 20:13 | <vagrantc> MINT_PACKAGES=${MINT_PACKAGES:-" ... "}
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| 20:13 | LATE_PACKAGES="$LATE_PACKAGES $MINT_PACKAGES"
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| 20:14 | not 100% sure on this yet
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| 20:14 | but then you're not conflating late-packages with mint-specific stuff
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| 20:14 | that's how the kernel package stuff is implemented
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| 20:14 | it adds to late packages, rather than overwriting it
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| 20:14 | <bennabiy> How is someone to know what mint packages they need, and which are just added ones?
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| 20:14 | Is that not what my code does?
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| 20:15 | <vagrantc> it's essentially the same thing, yes, but this gives a little more ... clarity?
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| 20:15 | * bennabiy shrugs... | |
| 20:15 | <bennabiy> your the boss
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| 20:15 | So add MINT_PACKAGES?
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| 20:16 | <vagrantc> maybe i'm overengineering it...
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| 20:16 | <bennabiy> for something that needs to go through a major code overhaul etc, maybe
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| 20:17 | If you commit it, and decide we need to do something different, I will push new code
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| 20:17 | I will keep this branch open for the sake of my ppa
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| 20:20 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: so, the two things are essentially unrelated ... the pinning/recommends stuff, and the late-packages?
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| 20:20 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 20:21 | the pinning ensures the right dependencies
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| 20:21 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: ok, i'll merge them as two separate commits.
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| 20:21 | <bennabiy> well, they are related
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| 20:21 | the packages do not work without the pinnings
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| 20:21 | so they are related
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| 20:21 | sorry, I misunderstood you
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| 20:21 | <vagrantc> but it would work with just the pinning/recommends ... you just want to force those packages to be installed
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| 20:22 | <bennabiy> true.
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| 20:22 | That is the thing which fixes it to allow it to build
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| 20:22 | the other allows to build correctly :)
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| 20:29 | <vagrantc> the other allows it to build correctly in the face of users adding random stuff without understanding
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| 20:29 | while disabling users from being able to actually not install selected bits.
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| 20:29 | i.e. is it possible to install a minimalist console-only mint install?
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| 20:30 | bennabiy: pushed as is.
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| 20:30 | well, i broke it into the two distinct commits
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| 20:31 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: by nature, not really
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| 20:32 | <vagrantc> i.e. there's no such thing as mint without a GUI?
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| 20:32 | <bennabiy> pretty much, except for localapps
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| 20:33 | <vagrantc> well, there's all those missing recommends! :)
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| 20:34 | <bennabiy> someone can install them if they want...
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| 20:34 | :)
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| 20:40 | <gbaman> weird one with ltsp-chroot. When using
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| 20:40 | sudo ltsp-chroot --arch armhf DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install -y sonic-pi
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| 20:40 | I get an error chroot: failed to run command ‘DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install -y sonic-pi’: No such file or directory
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| 20:41 | if I just use sudo ltsp-chroot --arch armhf
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| 20:41 | <vagrantc> gbaman: put the DEBIAN_FRONTEND after sudo
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| 20:41 | ltsp-chroot doesn't know you want to set a variable
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| 20:42 | <gbaman> now I just get E: Unable to locate package sonic-pi
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| 20:42 | <vagrantc> so it tries to run the command "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive" with the arguments "apt-get install -y sonic-pi"
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| 20:42 | <gbaman> oh, wait
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| 20:42 | * vagrantc waits | |
| 20:43 | <gbaman> didnt work
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| 20:43 | using
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| 20:43 | sudo DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive ltsp-chroot --arch armhf apt-get install -y sonic-pi
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| 20:43 | if I split it up and ltsp-chroot into it, then run the apt-get install -y sonic-pi it is happy
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| 20:44 | * then run the DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install -y sonic-pi
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| 20:44 | wait..
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| 20:44 | maybe not..
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| 20:45 | * bennabiy waves | |
| 20:45 | <bennabiy> Have a great trip, wherever you are going vagrantc. It has been nice working with you once again :)
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| 20:45 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: thanks for working through my incomprehension of how mint works... :)
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| 20:46 | <gbaman> actually vagrantc that seems to be it..
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| 20:46 | thanks :)
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| 21:12 | <Kip> I am having a problem with getting any user to log into ltsp client. Debian 7.6 mate 1.8
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| 21:22 | <vagrantc> so much for that
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| 21:42 | <gbaman> vagrantc: does LTSP have a way to get a list of connected users? Other than listing current connected SSH users?
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| 21:42 | <vagrantc> gbaman: nope
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| 21:42 | <gbaman> ssh users it is then, thanks
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