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| 14:35 | <markit> hi alkisg :) long long time we don't meet in irc :) how are you? (I'm at school at the moment, updating a 12.04 to latest kde and libreoffice)
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| 14:35 | Phantomas: hi to you too :)
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| 14:36 | <Phantomas> hey markit
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| 14:36 | <markit> Phantomas: I've got your mail, but was too busy in updating school's PC so far ;P
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| 14:36 | Phantomas: hope your exams are doing well
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| 14:37 | <Phantomas> yes, finishing in a few days :)
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| 14:37 | <markit> we need a university graduated foss developer here ;P
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| 14:37 | <alkisg> Hi markit, hi all :)
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| 14:37 | <markit> Phantomas: autumn exams session?
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| 14:38 | <alkisg> Long time no see indeed! How are you?
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| 14:38 | <markit> alkisg: I've seen in greek repo (that I'm using) a more recent version of ltsp than the one included in 12.04
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| 14:38 | <Phantomas> markit: Yes, repeats to exams i failed before or didn't go at all :P
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| 14:38 | <markit> alkisg: well, I'm almost fine, family is ok, time is never enough as usual, list of "to do" longer and longer... what about you?
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> markit: we needed that one because we're using ltsp-pnp, which we didn't implement before 12.04...
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| 14:39 | <markit> alkisg: hope will do no harm to my "standard" ltsp installation, lol
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> Mostly fine here... except that people are getting fired, or are working much more for much less money :)
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| 14:40 | <markit> alkisg: oh, here is going to the same route :(
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| 14:40 | <alkisg> You'll need to change your nbd config
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| 14:40 | <markit> but we need to feed the megacorporations with more money, don't we? :)
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| 14:40 | <alkisg> Because /opt/ltsp/i386 is used now instead of :ltsp_i386
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| 14:40 | Yeah :(
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| 14:41 | <markit> argh, nbd config? I upgraded another school yesterday and was starting fine
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| 14:41 | <alkisg> It'll break in the next ltsp-update-image or -kernels
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| 14:41 | <markit> mmm don't even remember to have touch nbd
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| 14:42 | sorry to start boring you again (since long time), what file do I have to touch and what put there?
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| 14:42 | in chroot or in server?
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| 14:43 | <alkisg> server, http://paste.debian.net/40694/
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| 14:43 | And then run ltsp-update-image
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| 14:44 | ...so that TFT/pxelinux.cfg/default is regenerated
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| 14:44 | Hmm and I hope /etc/ltsp doesn't contain any old settings...
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| 14:44 | When I want to upgrade an installation from 12.04 to 12.10+ (like in our PPA), I usually purge ltsp, nbd etc, remove all /etc files, and install ltsp again
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| 14:44 | That way no manual changes are necessary
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| 14:45 | Remember to include the PPA to the chroot sources as well
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| 14:45 | <markit> sure, chroot has the same ppa as server
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| 14:47 | in swap.conf Iì've also the line authfile = /etc/ltsp/nbd-server.allow
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| 14:47 | and in config I've user and group set, not commented out
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| 14:48 | except that, they are the same as yours (was using greek repo already)
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| 14:48 | do I have to fix those differences?
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| 14:53 | is it a good idea install linux-image-generic-lts-raring in chroot?
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| 14:58 | <alkisg> markit: see the first line, that's the significant one
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| 14:58 | /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_i386.conf:[/opt/ltsp/i386]
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| 14:58 | instead of /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_i386.conf:[:ltsp_i386]
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| 14:59 | I'd advice to use linux-image-lts-raring and xserver-xorg-raring only if you have hardware that is not working with the older kernel
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| 14:59 | If so, it's a good idea, sure, otherwise you sometimes get broken vbox or samba or other packages that get fixed a bit later than in stock -precise...
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| 15:03 | <markit> my /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_i386.conf:[/opt/ltsp/i386] is already ok, so good :) thanks a lot
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| 15:04 | alkisg: is ltsp expanding in greek schools, or the UE has asked to install M$crap if you want them to lend you money?
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| 15:05 | here I'm fearing a lot "digital books" that are coming probably next year
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> It's expanding, currently at 500+ schools
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| 15:07 | <markit> alkisg: great! are you using -pnp for new installs? I've not fully got the role of -pnp for ltsp
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| 15:07 | an "easy version if you are not skilled" or "a future replacement"?
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> The first one, but not only if you're not skilled
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| 15:08 | You setup a template classroom PC, with whatever you want, edu software, smartboard drivers...
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| 15:08 | And then just install sch-scripts and run ltsp-update-image -c /
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| 15:09 | That's all, so there are no console skills needed, and it's very easy to set up programs that only have GUI installers
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| 15:09 | (like the smartboard drivers, which can't easily be installed in chroots)
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| 15:10 | <markit> why do you need smartboard drivers in chroot? ah, maybe you have teachers that use a fat client... mine so far work on the server
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| 15:10 | so it's easier for them turn it off by mistake ;P
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| 15:10 | * markit has no skilled teachers... so sad situation | |
| 15:11 | <alkisg> ltsp-pnp and sch-scripts made ltsp installations so easy that even k6 teachers (no IT knowledge at all) install ltsp here...
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| 15:12 | It's not only smartboard drivers, there are many cases where chroots are hard even for skilled users
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| 15:12 | <markit> they are no skilled in using BASIC programs and do trivial tasks
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| 15:12 | like copy files from usb key
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| 15:12 | etc.
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| 15:12 | are you (greek I mean) moving toward some "e-learning", remote lessons, recorded lessons put online, or something like that?
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> E.g. grub doesn't work correctly in chroots, leaves the kernel in not-configured state, breaks apt-get forever (until someone very skilled solves the problem)
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> dkms doesn't work because of server/chroot kernel version mismatches, etc etc
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| 15:13 | <markit> is grub needed in chroot?
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> It gets installed in fat clients because of dependencies
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| 15:13 | <markit> ok, but if it fails you don't mind, right?
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> We're using moodle, mahara etc for that, but only for teacher seminars, they're rarely used in actual classrooms
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| 15:14 | You mind because then you can't install/upgrade anything, apt-get says "broken packages"
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| 15:14 | <markit> I see... one teacher asked be about the possibility of recording his lesson and put online for students
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> Google hangouts for that
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| 15:14 | <markit> my teachers usually ask something "cool", difficoutl to impelemtn, and when they got it (and I wasted a lot of time) don't use it
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> Instant recording, and even if you want it, live broadcasting through google servers
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| 15:15 | <markit> reboot and test time, see you later, thanks a lot, hope to get in touch with you more frequently in the future :)
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