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Channel log from 21 May 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:10 | <envite> Hello all from Spain
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| 05:10 | Hola a todos desde España
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| 05:10 | <vagrantc> Hola a todos desde España tambien
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| 05:13 | <envite> :)
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| 05:13 | Yo desde Canarias
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| 05:13 | ¿y tú?
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| 05:13 | <vagrantc> ahora, madrid
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| 05:15 | <envite> la capital :)
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| 05:55 | <cliebow> Hola a todos desde maine tambien
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| 05:56 | <envite> Hello Cliebow
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| 05:58 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 08:03 | <mhterres> morning
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| 08:05 | <envite> morning
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| 08:28 | <jammcq> g'morning
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| 08:29 | <Lumiere> !j
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| 08:29 | <ltspbot> Lumiere: Error: "j" is not a valid command.
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| 08:29 | <Lumiere> haha
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| 08:29 | hi jammcq
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| 08:32 | <jammcq> howdie
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| 08:36 | <cliebow_> howdie
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| 08:50 | <pedrolo> hi all
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| 08:50 | in my client not respondig keyboard. Only key 2 3 4 and 0 recognize
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| 08:50 | why? please
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| 09:13 | <Blinny> jammcq: Any luck w/ that i810 buggy?
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| 09:35 | <jammcq> Blinny: I don't have any i810 clients. if it's gonna get fixed, someone else will have to step up and take care of it
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| 09:37 | <pedrolo> in my client not respondig keyboard. Only key 2 3 4 and 0 recognize why? please
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| 09:51 | <Blinny> jammcq: What would you suggest I do to contact that someone & give details?
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> Blinny: whats the problem?
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| 09:55 | <cliebow_> Gadi!!!!
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| 09:56 | <Gadi> cliebow_: !!!
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| 09:56 | morning
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| 09:56 | finish the calendar?
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| 09:57 | <cliebow_> yeah..it feels a real kludge though
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| 09:58 | it worked just great unless the month started on Sunday
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| 09:58 | <vagrantc> ogra-classmate: i have higher screen resolution than you!
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| 09:59 | <Gadi> cliebow_: /me thinks you should work out the math first and the programming second
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| 09:59 | <ogra-classmate> :P
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| 09:59 | <sepski> nfs export for /opt/ltsp/i386 subtree check or not ?
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| 10:00 | <vagrantc> sepski: i've wondered that ever since that warning message started popping up
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| 10:00 | <sepski> its exported with no_root_squash
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| 10:00 | <Blinny> Gadi: I have a reproducible crash using an i810 video in a thin-client setup.
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| 10:00 | <sepski> and man page say subtree checking is also used to make sure that files inside directories to which only root has access can only be accessed if the filesystem is exported with no_root_squash (see below), even if the file itself allows more general access.
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| 10:01 | <sepski> but i dont grasp that sentence
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| 10:01 | <cliebow_> Gadi: id perhaps have been better off starting form scratch than hacking someone elses html..
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| 10:01 | <vagrantc> sepski: neither do i, which is why i haven't figured out what to do :)
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| 10:02 | <Gadi> Blinny: you mean X won't load?
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| 10:02 | <sepski> vagrantc, since /opt/ltsp/i386 is not a fs by itself (on my machine) ill use subtree checking
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| 10:02 | <Blinny> Gadi: The problem is (I think) that the BIOS does not properly report available video ram, nor does it allow for changing the amount. It has 1024k, which apparently isn't enough to run the i810 server (and X won't load). If you specify X_VIDEORAM=4096 or some other amount, loading up a big page in firefox will cause a xserver crash.
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| 10:02 | <vagrantc> sepski: well, i *think* it's not talking about the underlying filesystem
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| 10:03 | <Gadi> Blinny: LTSP 4.2 or 5?
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| 10:03 | <Blinny> Gadi: 4.2
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| 10:03 | Gadi: I'm guessing specifying the VIDEORAM allows X to start, but then the big page in firefox will write mem out-of-bounds, causing the crash.
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| 10:03 | <Gadi> i810 uses shared RAM
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| 10:03 | <Blinny> Gadi: Unfortunately I'm not the only one getting it, either.
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| 10:03 | Yes, it does.
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| 10:03 | <Gadi> for video
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| 10:03 | so, make the Viseoram much higher
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| 10:04 | <Blinny> That does not have an effect.
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| 10:04 | The test box is on my desk. Lemme fire it up and give some examples.
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| 10:04 | <Gadi> did you verify that it is memory
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| 10:05 | <Blinny> Gadi: I don't understand the question. You mean using memtest?
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| 10:05 | <Gadi> Blinny: also check ur BIOS setting
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| 10:05 | <Blinny> Gadi: This BIOS does not allow for tuning video ram.
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| 10:05 | <Gadi> really? hmm...
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| 10:05 | does it not crash if you use vesa?
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| 10:05 | <Blinny> I even upgraded to the latest revision. Dell BIOSs suck.
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| 10:05 | <vagrantc> sepski: well, the default behavior is "subtree_check", and it hasn't seemed to cause any problems
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| 10:05 | <Blinny> Doesn't crash if I use VESA, however I can only go up to 800x600
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| 10:06 | <sepski> vagrantc, indeed
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| 10:06 | <vagrantc> sepski: could just experiment with no_subtree_check and see if bad things hapepn
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| 10:06 | <Gadi> Blinny: seems i810 is not taking the RAM it needs from system memory
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| 10:06 | <Gadi> unless ur running out of system memory
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| 10:07 | <Blinny> Gadi: Right
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| 10:07 | Gadi: I'll boot now w/ no lts.conf options.
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| 10:07 | Gadi: This client has 256MB. I have ten or fifteen identical boxes; So far I've tested three. All three exhibit the same trait.
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| 10:08 | <Gadi> also, do you know the exact chipset?
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| 10:10 | <Blinny> Gadi: No, but I'm sure I could find it out.
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| 10:10 | One sec. When I don't specify X_VIDEORAM it uses all 256 and takes awhile to crash.
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| 10:11 | <Gadi> drop into a shell and run: lspci
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| 10:11 | <Blinny> If I specify 4096, 8192 or some other then it's a quick crash.
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| 10:11 | <Gadi> well, gee, make it crash, why don't you? ;)
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| 10:11 | and im sure it doesnt use all 256 ;)
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| 10:11 | otherwise you'd crash pretty quickly
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| 10:11 | har har har
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| 10:12 | <Blinny> Indel Corp 82810E DC-133 graphics memory controller hub. SMBus: Intel Corp 82801AA
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| 10:12 | :s;del;tel
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| 10:13 | Also takes a lot longer to crash if Javascript is disabled.
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| 10:14 | If I specify X_VIDEORAM, and switch to shell during page rendering, it doesn't crash until I render another page.
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| 10:16 | Okay. I took out the radeon I was testing in there. Booting now w/ VIDEORAM=4096
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| 10:18 | OK. Crash occurred about 2 seconds after page load.
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| 10:18 | 'xserver failed, press <enter> to continue'
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| 10:21 | <Gadi> what resolution?
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| 10:21 | and color depth?
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| 10:21 | <Blinny> Default - 1024x768 and 16-bit
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| 10:22 | <Gadi> and you have no control over video in the BIOS?
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| 10:22 | <Blinny> Specifying 8192 actually causes the crash prior to the page finishing loading.
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| 10:22 | <Gadi> bad memory?
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| 10:22 | <Blinny> Gadi: Nope. All I have is either a device selection. 'Onboard' or 'Auto'
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| 10:23 | Gadi: Perhaps, if other people with similar chipsets on different machines also have similarly bad memory.
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| 10:25 | There we go. Taking out the VIDEORAM setting caused a crash after the 2nd page loaded
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| 10:25 | <Gadi> can you disable DPMS in the BIOS?
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| 10:25 | if you can disable any power management stuff, that may help
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| 10:26 | <Blinny> No. I only have 'auto power on' (disabled) and 'remote wake up' (off)
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| 10:28 | Hmm. That time I disabled java & javascript and it still crashed immediately. FUN
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| 10:28 | <Gadi> try: X_DEVICE_OPTION_01 = "VBERestore False"
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| 10:29 | <Blinny> w/ no other options specified? (I'm thinking of videoram)
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| 10:29 | <Gadi> right
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| 10:30 | <Blinny> Nope, crash after page load & mousing over a image
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| 10:30 | Unfortunately, due to the full-stop I can't see what's happening in xorg.log
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> at the shell, also check that the agpgart module is loaded and that there is no DPMS option in the /tmp/XF86CONFIG.1
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| 10:31 | <Blinny> One sec, lemme boot again
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| 10:32 | modules are extmod, glx, freetype and type1
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| 10:33 | This is interesting. VideoRam is 4096, though I didn't set that in lts.conf
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| 10:33 | There is nothing about DPMS.
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| 10:34 | So, no agpgart
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| 10:34 | <Gadi> lsmod|grep agp
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| 10:34 | <Blinny> Nothing
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| 10:34 | X_MODULE_01?
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| 10:35 | * vagrantc wonders how ltsp5 would work with this same video card | |
| 10:35 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 10:35 | <Blinny> vagrantc: Unfortunately I dunno if ltsp has anything to do with this.
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> try: MODULE_01 = "intel_agp"
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| 10:35 | and reboot
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| 10:36 | <vagrantc> Blinny: yes, well, testing a different X implementation would be one way to determine that
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| 10:36 | <Blinny> not found
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> interesting
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| 10:36 | <Blinny> vagrantc: This problem rolled over from FC5->FC6 (k12ltsp that is)
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> how about MODULE_01 = "agpgart"
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| 10:37 | <Blinny> booting
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| 10:37 | <vagrantc> Blinny: you mean it's always been a problem, or upgrading caused the problem?
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| 10:37 | <Blinny> not found
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| 10:37 | <Gadi> Blinny: somethings fishy
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| 10:37 | <Blinny> vagrantc: It was a problem in both FC5-based K12LTSP and, now, FC6-based K12LTSP
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| 10:38 | Gadi: That's MODULE_01 not X_MODULE_01, correct?
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| 10:38 | <Gadi> right
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| 10:38 | <vagrantc> did fc5 k12ltsp use an older version of ltsp?
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| 10:38 | <Blinny> The only agpgart file I have is '/opt/ltsp/ppc/lib/modules/2.4.22-2f/kernel/drivers/char/agp/agpgart.o' -- and this is a i386 machine
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| 10:39 | <Blinny> vagrantc: Unfortunately, no. Both are 4.2. I guess you're on the right track. I was thinking of the x11_driver_i810 packages
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| 10:39 | <vagrantc> Blinny: well, i've given my suggestion. :)
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| 10:40 | <Blinny> vagrantc: And I thank you!
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| 10:40 | vagrantc: Unfortunately this server does a lot of other stuff too. I'm inherently nervous about upgrades.
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| 10:40 | <vagrantc> Blinny: sure... and there's no easy upgrade path ...
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| 10:40 | <Blinny> Gadi: 'locate intel_agp' produces no files either.
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| 10:41 | vagrantc: Is that sarcasm or truism?
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| 10:41 | <Gadi> locate intel-agp
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| 10:41 | <Blinny> Gadi: Nothing.
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> Blinny: well, there's no simple way to upgrade from ltsp 4.2 to one of the ltsp 5 implementations.
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| 10:41 | <Gadi> Blinny: somethings very fishy
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| 10:41 | <Blinny> vagrantc: Ok. I really don't know. -- and so far, I've been in the Fedora corner because it's what I'm used to.
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| 10:42 | Gadi: This is a clean install of K12LTSPv5 upgraded (via ISO) to K12LTSP6
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| 10:42 | It's an x86_64 box.
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| 10:42 | <Gadi> try: find /opt/ltsp/i386|grep agpgart
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| 10:43 | <Blinny> vagrantc: I know a lot of folks here are working closely w/ Ubuntu (yourself included..?)
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| 10:43 | Gadi: nothing
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| 10:43 | <vagrantc> Blinny: i've mostly worked on debian thus far
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| 10:43 | Blinny: but work closely with the ubuntu folks
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| 10:43 | <Blinny> vagrantc: Dig
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| 10:51 | <Blinny> Gadi: I suppose I should have those files?
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| 10:52 | <Gadi> well, they are kernel modules
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| 10:52 | in theory :)
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| 10:52 | <Blinny> heh
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| 10:53 | * Gadi doesnt know how k12ltsp does their pkgs these days | |
| 10:53 | <Gadi> maybe you can check that all is installed nicely
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| 10:53 | <Blinny> Is that more than tangentially related to the i810 crash?
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| 10:53 | * Gadi shrugs | |
| 10:53 | <Blinny> Gadi: Hrm. There's a rpm -qi or something that does that?
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| 10:53 | <Gadi> i know that i810 often relies on agpgart
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| 10:53 | and more recently intel_agp
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| 10:53 | so, it could be related
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| 10:54 | i810 is a bizarre chipset, but it is one of the best supported in linux
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| 10:54 | <Blinny> Lemme poll the k12ltsp list.
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| 10:54 | <Gadi> it is ironic that that should be the one you have issues with
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| 10:54 | <Blinny> Gadi: You're Gideon Romm, correct?
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| 10:54 | <Gadi> when im not wearing the cape and tights, yes
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| 10:54 | <mistik1> lol
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| 10:55 | <Gadi> damn
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| 10:55 | I always give it away
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| 10:55 | <Blinny> heh
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| 10:56 | <moa_> Hi all, mind if I cut in and ask a question?
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| 10:56 | <Gadi> not cutsies
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| 10:56 | ;)
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| 10:56 | er s/not/no
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| 10:56 | <moa_> :)
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| 10:56 | Well then, I'll troll this channel until it's answered for me!
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| 10:56 | <Blinny> If the agpgart.o were there, where would it be?
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| 10:57 | kernel/drivers/char/agp?
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| 10:58 | <Gadi> moa_: well, when u put it that way, whats up?
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| 10:58 | Blinny: indeed
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| 10:58 | <moa_> ltsp 4.2, have alot of zombie processes. It seems to not be killing every users processes when they log out.
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| 10:58 | Any ideas?
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| 10:59 | <Blinny> moa_: On my K12LTSP I set 'PURGE_PROCESSES=YES' in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp
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| 11:01 | <moa_> Blinny: I forgot to add, this is gentoo with the ltsp ebuild.
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| 11:01 | <Blinny> moa_: Then I forgot to add 'I dunno' (; Sorry mate.. My field of experience is fairly limited.
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| 11:01 | <moa_> lol
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| 11:02 | Thanks anyways, I'll continue looking around.
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| 11:03 | <Gadi> moa_: add a login/logout script to pkill -u <user>
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| 11:03 | or optionally: pkill -9 -u <user>
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| 11:05 | <moa_> gadi: where would I call that script from? I've already got one built to kill them nightly(cron job).
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| 11:06 | <Gadi> moa_: I would call it from the display manager
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| 11:06 | so, in gdm: /etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/Default
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| 11:06 | etc
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| 11:07 | <moa_> Gadi: Thanks, that points me in the right direction.
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| 11:10 | <Blinny> Gadi: I may be bogged down in upgrade hell here. 'rpm -qa ltsp_ppc' returns 4.0.0-0.k12ltsp.2.4.2 version, while 'rpm -qa ltsp_i386' returns ltsp_i386-4.2-4.k12ltsp.6.0.0a
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| 11:14 | ltsp_ppc provides the agpgart.o file that is in /ppc/kernel
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| 11:40 | <moa_> gadi: any ideas for kdm?
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| 11:41 | <Gadi> moa_: check kdmrc to see what file it calls for Pre/Post sessions
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| 11:53 | <Gadi> ogra-classmate: ping
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| 11:58 | <ogra-classmate> Gadi: pong ?
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| 11:59 | <Gadi> any good tips for being able to test a PXE image in vmware to boot off a local feisty install (bridged eth0) without having to have eth0 actually plugged into somethin?
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| 11:59 | <ogra-classmate> ficonfig eth0 up ?
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| 12:00 | *ifconfig
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| 12:00 | <Gadi> nah - it needs to be plugged in
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| 12:00 | not just configured
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| 12:00 | <ogra-classmate> nope
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| 12:00 | <Gadi> thats the annoying part ;)
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| 12:00 | <ogra-classmate> not here at least
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| 12:00 | <Gadi> are you bridged?
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| 12:00 | <ogra-classmate> ifconfig with a static ip should work
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| 12:01 | nope, i'm using tun/tap here, bt i've seen bridged setups
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| 12:02 | <Gadi> nope - that doesnt work for me
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| 12:02 | need to actually physically plug in the cable
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| 12:02 | <ogra-classmate> so set up tun/tap instead ;) itrs easier anyway
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| 12:10 | <jammcq> Gadi: I'm wondering if mii-tool or ethtool can be used to force a connection type
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| 12:10 | maybe if you force 100mbs fdx, it might be enough to convince the driver that it's actually connected
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| 12:15 | <ogra-classmate> what kind of card is that ? i remember the setup i know uses a reaktek
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| 12:15 | *realtek
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| 12:34 | <moa_> gadi: I figured it out, everything in $KDEDIRS:$KDEHOME/shutdown gets executed on postsession.
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| 12:35 | <highvoltage> jammcq: http://www.forbes.com/2007/05/16/cheap-pc-computer-tech-cx_ag_0516cheappc_slide_3.html?thisSpeed=15000
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| 12:41 | <Blinny> jammcq: Got it re: agpgart, thank you.
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| 12:42 | <Gadi> sorry, guys - long ph call
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| 12:43 | <Blinny> Gadi: There is no agpgart module because it's built into the kernel.
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| 12:43 | <Gadi> k
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| 12:43 | 1 sec
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| 12:43 | ahh
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| 12:43 | too many things...
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| 12:54 | <joebaker> On Ubuntu, I'm thinking of switching to KDM for our XDMCP sessions. I've googled high and low for a way to have GDM perform autologin to a specific useraccount for a specific IP address. This is drop dead easy in KDM. GDM has a way, but they force you to specify a unique script file for each username.
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| 12:54 | <vagrantc> i'm pretty sure you can write a script to do whatever you want
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| 12:55 | <joebaker> I think the GDM approach is a patched approach as well which isn't in most distributions.
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| 12:56 | vagrantc: I wouldn't object to the script approach if it was one script for all the logins, but it seems a bit much to have an individual script for each machine. Maybe I'm totally wrong in my impression though.
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| 12:57 | <vagrantc> the stuff i've seen seems to be a single script for all users. but i haven't actually used it
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| 12:57 | <joebaker> Maybe XDM would be a better, lighter weight approach.
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| 12:57 | <vagrantc> autologin with xdm is ugly
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| 12:57 | <joebaker> thanks vagrantc. Both tips will help a great deal in my searches.
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| 12:58 | <vagrantc> good luck
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| 12:59 | <vagrantc> i saw it posted somewhere on the k12ltsp lists, i think ... at the time it required a patch to gdm, but should be integrated upstream
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> joebaker: the script just needs to return a username on stdout
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> u're free to make a lookup table
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| 13:00 | <joebaker> ok. I think I could do that.
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| 13:01 | <Gadi> most people are lazy and just output hostname :)
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| 13:02 | and then set username=hostname
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| 13:02 | <Blinny> Gadi: So, given that agpgart isn't an issue, do you have any suggestions for where I should proceed re: the i810 problem?
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| 13:03 | <joebaker> The thing is that I only want certian machines to do this on. People in our accounting department would still face a password login.
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> i would test the other clients as well
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| 13:03 | and make sure its not a bad RAM issue
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| 13:03 | joebaker: so, put that in the lookup table
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| 13:04 | (ie dont print to stdout for the accounting guys)
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| 13:11 | <BlackDark> Hi
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| 13:11 | <Blinny> Gadi: I have two identical boxes for testing. They both exhibit the same behavior at the same times. (I just booted the 2nd one to be sure)
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| 13:12 | <BlackDark> do you guys maintain a terminal hardware list ?
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| 13:12 | I would like to buy some terms for home
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| 13:13 | <Gadi> BlackDark: there should be a list on the ltsp wiki
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| 13:14 | <BlackDark> Gadi, thanks
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| 13:29 | <vykarian> hi all
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| 13:30 | | |
| 13:30 | is there a option in lts.conf to adjust that speed?
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| 13:31 | <yanu> ya, there is
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| 13:32 | <vykarian> and that would be... ?
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| 13:32 | <yanu> i'm looking :)
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| 13:32 | <vykarian> tyty =]
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| 13:34 | <yanu> XkbRules = xfree86
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| 13:34 | must be something the same as this ...
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| 13:37 | <vykarian> hmm..
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| 13:37 | XDM_SERVER = 192.168.10.250
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| 13:37 | ...
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| 13:37 | <yanu> AutoRepeat =
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| 13:37 | <vykarian> SCREEN_01 = startx
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| 13:37 | <yanu> delay is the time in milliseconds before a key starts repeating.
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| 13:37 | <vykarian> XkbRules = xfree86
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| 13:37 | wow
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| 13:37 | <yanu> AutoRepeat = 500 30
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| 13:37 | this is the default, see man keyboard
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| 13:38 | <vykarian> so.. that XkbRules = xfree86 \n\r AutoRepeat = 500 30 in box session @ lts.conf could solve that?
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| 13:39 | <yanu> think so
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| 13:39 | <vykarian> | |
| 13:39 | <yanu> no, you just add "AutoRepeat = 500 30"
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| 13:39 | <vykarian> box @ 100 yards from here
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| 13:45 | <BlackDark> what do you guys think about that terminal ? http://www.ewayco.com/51-embedded-systems-100-PC-mini-ITX-low-cost/12-mx-800mhz-low-cost-pc-embedded-system.html
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| 13:53 | <cliebow_> BlackDark, juammcq has been working that term..there are probs i think still
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc> is that the e2300 ?
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| 13:55 | <cliebow_> i thin so..
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| 13:55 | <BlackDark> it looks to be low cost, $125 but I don't have any idea about the exact price, US $ or TW $
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| 13:55 | <vagrantc> actually, that's got a much faster processor
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| 13:55 | <cliebow_> BlackDark..i set out to order a test one..for 99..tiomje as shipping and a 30 charge to woire them the money i gave up
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| 13:56 | <vagrantc> the e2300 has a 233MHz proc or something like that
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| 13:56 | <BlackDark> http://www.compactpc.com.tw/ebox-3800.htm
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| 13:56 | that one looks nice too
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| 13:57 | no distributors in Canada :(
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| 13:57 | <cliebow_> jammcq was set to order some of the 200 meg models..\
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| 13:57 | <BlackDark> there is one in NC
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| 13:58 | <cliebow_> these are far more powerful.
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> cliebow_: we've spent so much time trying to get them to work decently...
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| 13:58 | <BlackDark> I would like something with 800 mhz at least
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| 13:58 | I have some visara terms
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| 13:58 | <cliebow_> vagrantc, those were the little ones werent they?
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| 13:58 | <BlackDark> with a proc @ 233 mhz
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| 13:58 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: hey there. are you still in Spain?
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> cliebow_: yeah, they fit right on the back of a monitor
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| 13:59 | <BlackDark> it's limit acceptable with xdmcp
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: sure am :)
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| 13:59 | <cliebow_> COOL idea..these have a via eden mobo..completely different
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc> cliebow_: it has holes which fit perfectly with most monitor screw patterns... it must have been intentional
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| 14:00 | <cliebow_> yes i am sure..those had a "vortex"mobo..
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| 14:00 | <BlackDark> http://www.wdlsystems.com/modperl/view_services.cgi?r=detail&prod_num=1EBOXSL&aisle_id=799
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| 14:00 | $239 us
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| 14:01 | <cliebow_> i dont know of anyone has tried these...
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| 14:04 | <BlackDark> the audio chipset is VT1616, and the ethernet nic is vt6103
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| 14:04 | any known problem with those chipset ?
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| 14:05 | <joebaker> BlackDark: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5778694249.html I saw this which makes me think the ebox-3800 might be able to have 3D graphics accelleration under Linux.
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| 14:09 | <vykarian> yanu
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| 14:09 | http://pastebin.ca/500812
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| 14:09 | didn't work
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| 14:09 | <vykarian> can u see if that's correct formated:
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| 14:09 | ?
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> vykarian: if this is LTSP 4.2, it should be: X_DEVICE_OPTION_01 = "AutoRepeat 500 30"
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| 14:12 | or some such
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| 14:12 | <vykarian> trying that
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| 14:12 | thats 4.2, Gadi
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| 14:13 | <BlackDark> joebaker, it has a mpeg decoder
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| 14:14 | so mythtv should be welcome on this box :) yes !!
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| 14:17 | <vykarian> Gadi didn't work
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| 14:17 | another tip?
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| 14:17 | the keyboard input is very fast in xorg, when type b it prints bbbbbbbb
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| 14:18 | (when using old DIM keyboards)
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> are you sure its the keyboard
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| 14:18 | have you tried a different type of keyboard?
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| 14:18 | <vykarian> have 3 box with those keyboard in 68
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| 14:18 | the 65 with ps2 work frine
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| 14:19 | already changed the keyboard..
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| 14:19 | and when I boot out of X, that works normally
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| 14:19 | <Gadi> I have heard on older hardware where having acpi and apm turned on can cause multiple hits on the keyboard
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| 14:19 | do they PXE or etherboot?
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| 14:20 | <vykarian> etherboot
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| 14:20 | acpi/apm turned off
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| 14:20 | <Gadi> ah
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> in bios, or in linux?
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| 14:20 | sometimes linux tries to outsmart the bios, in my experience
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| 14:20 | <vykarian> linux, will check bios
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| 14:20 | <Gadi> well, to get the Autorepeat working, you may have to create your own XF86CONFIG_FILE
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| 14:21 | or modify /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg
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| 14:21 | I dont think the stock script will add keyboard device options
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| 14:22 | <vykarian> checking it out.. but i guess when these boxes borned ACPI was just plans
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| 14:22 | * vagrantc makes a note to rename it X_CONFIG_FILE | |
| 14:25 | <vykarian> InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
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| 14:25 | AutoRepeat "500 30"
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| 14:25 | at build_x4_cfg
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| 14:26 | <Blinny> vykarian: I'm interested in your solution too; some of my older clients also have a similar problem
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| 14:28 | I think I need to ditch these older boxes and just buy a bunch of thin clients.
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| 14:29 | <moa_> We have 25 thin clients. The work like a charm.
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| 14:31 | <Blinny> moa_: What kind?
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| 14:37 | <vykarian> that didnt work
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| 14:37 | I'm not an expert in xorg..
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| 14:38 | <vykarian> but that configuration would apply too for ps/2 keyboard, right?
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| 14:38 | the repeating (c means cccccc) is only over old keyboards
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| 14:42 | <Blinny> Wow. Is PXE much slower than Etherboot for booting clients?
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| 14:44 | <sepski> Blinny, a tiny bit, but not much
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| 14:47 | <Blinny> sepski: A client I put one of jammcq's aopen NICs in would boot in 15-20 seconds. Switching to the onboard (same speed) that used PXE booted in around 3 minutes.
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| 14:47 | response when mousing around is pretty crappy too
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| 14:47 | This probably has to do more with the NFSOPTS I had to pass b/c I have a gig ethernet card in the server
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| 14:48 | <sepski> probably
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| 14:48 | do you have nfs errors in the nfs server log while booting ?
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| 14:49 | <Blinny> Yes, even after adding the MOPTS at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding
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| 14:49 | So I tried NFSOPTS='-o ext'
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| 14:50 | ...which got rid of the errors, but I haven't been able to find what that mount option is.
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| 14:50 | Wait, nevermind. Still errorring.
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| 14:52 | <Gadi> vykarian: you need to add in the keyboard section: Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30"
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| 14:54 | <BlackDark> how can I contribute to the supported terminal list ?
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| 14:54 | my visara terms are working here, but they are not listed
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| 14:54 | so I would like to share my experience with those terms
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| 14:55 | <vagrantc> Gadi: so, ogra says your LDM hacks to get unecrypted sessions don't work ...
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> heh, he's wrong
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| 14:56 | but, im listening
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| 14:56 | :)
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 14:56 | <Gadi> they work both for me and at least one of my clients
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> i don't know the details, and haven't tried myself.
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> did he apply the patch I pastebot'd?
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| 14:57 | or try to hack it himself?
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> i don't know
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> okey dokey
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| 14:57 | <yanu> BlackDark: isn't there a section in the wiki?
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> Gadi: could you please put it into a bzr branch? :)
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| 14:57 | <BlackDark> yanu, for visara ? no
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> *sigh* - the problem is its a combo of 3 features
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| 14:57 | * vagrantc doesn't have a pastebotvcs client | |
| 14:58 | <Gadi> if I can put the whole thing into 1 branch, then sure
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| 14:58 | but, I dont want to spend time breaking it up
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| 14:58 | <vagrantc> Gadi: go for it :)
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| 14:58 | <Gadi> ok
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| 14:58 | <vagrantc> what are the 3 features?
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| 14:58 | <Gadi> (I know how much of sticklers you are ;) )
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| 14:59 | <yanu> BlackDark: i mean a section where hardware is listed, add it there ???
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> 3 features = "DirectX", autologin, LDM_SERVER
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> Gadi: you should take a look at my most recent commits to ltsp ... "merge ubuntu" "sync with debian"
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| 14:59 | huge monolithic commits
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> heh
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| 15:00 | now, I have to see I guess if my bzr branch is the right one to branch from ,right?>
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| 15:00 | I hate revision control
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> Gadi: LDM_SERVER i've been meaning to implement for ages.
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| 15:00 | <Gadi> about as much as palm pilots
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| 15:00 | or any other organizer
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> Gadi: it's pretty much a one-liner, isn't it?
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| 15:00 | <Gadi> yup
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| 15:00 | <Gadi> LDM_SERVER or
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| 15:01 | looks like a 12/13 character even
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| 15:01 | ;)
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| 15:01 | <Blinny> Thanks for the help today Gadi, vagrantc. Gotta fly
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| 15:01 | <Gadi> btw, my screenscripts were never merged
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| 15:01 | (not that Im complaining)
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> Gadi: hmmmm... you probably want to branch off of whatever is the closest to whatever you've actually applied the patches to
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| 15:02 | Gadi: now, own up to your complaints :P
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| 15:02 | <Gadi> well, ive got a dir here called ltsp-mainline
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| 15:02 | dunno if thats the one
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| 15:02 | damn it
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> Gadi: you've applied the patches to what version of ltsp from where?
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| 15:02 | <Gadi> feisty
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| 15:02 | release
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> so grab ogra's feisty branch
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| 15:03 | <Gadi> pretty soon im gonna have so many copies of the same code, im gonna need another hdd ;)
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> make a new branch... we'll sort out the rest
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| 15:03 | that's what "bzr init-repo --trees" is good for
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| 15:03 | <Gadi> do you have a link for ogra's feisty branch?
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| 15:03 | * vagrantc digs up a link | |
| 15:03 | <Gadi> trees?
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| 15:04 | I hate this
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| 15:04 | <BlackDark> yanu, there http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Clients ?
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> what's wrong with trees? you freakin ubanite!
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| 15:04 | <Gadi> i believe thats urbanite
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| 15:04 | ;)
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/feisty-ltsp/
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| 15:05 | <yanu> BlackDark: add yours there (i have no experience with this wiki, but it couldn't be hard to do)
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> maybe something like: bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/feisty-ltsp/ gadi-and-his-crazy-ldm-features-ltsp
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| 15:05 | <yanu> BlackDark: make an account, en push edit ...
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| 15:06 | * efra is away: I'm out to lunch | Sali a comer | |
| 15:06 | efra is now known as efra_away | |
| 15:06 | <yanu> BlackDark: i reacted on you sentence because no one else did, and i find it very usefull to share your knowledge ...
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| 15:07 | <Gadi> bzr == bzr checkout, right?
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| 15:07 | er, bzr get == bzr checkout
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> bzr get != bzr checkout
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| 15:08 | branch == get == clone
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| 15:08 | co == checkout
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| 15:08 | co != get
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| 15:08 | <Gadi> I really hate this
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> i don't fully understand checkouts
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| 15:08 | i think they're branches you can't commit to unless you can also commit to the mirror
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| 15:09 | <yanu> Gadi: your not alone :)
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> Gadi: take your hate and ... ummm ... direct it somewhere useful :P
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| 15:12 | <Gadi> heh, that's why I have a patch ;)
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| 15:12 | * vagrantc switches ltsp to use git | |
| 15:13 | * vagrantc switches ltsp to use darcs | |
| 15:13 | <vagrantc> hahahaha... you'll never keep up
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| 15:14 | * vagrantc switches ltsp to use mercurial | |
| 15:14 | <vagrantc> we could all just use whatever and use tailer to keep them all in sync!
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| 15:14 | er, tailor
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> ok, now where can I put this new branch of mine?
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> anywhere the rest of us can get to it
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| 15:15 | * Gadi looks for the magic launchpad incantation | |
| 15:15 | <vagrantc> Gadi: you have a launchpad account?
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> i do
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| 15:17 | crap - i forgot how to do this
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| 15:17 | <vagrantc> easy to do
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| 15:18 | <Gadi> can i just bzr push to: https://code.launchpad.net/~gideon/
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| 15:18 | ?
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> you'd probably need to specify a specific branch name, at least ... but i don't really know
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> Gadi: http://ddaa.net/blog/launchpad/bzr-hosting
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| 15:26 | maybe
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| 15:27 | Gadi: bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~account/product/branch
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| 15:28 | so maybe ... ~gadi/ltsp/gadi-and-his-crazy-ldm-features
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| 15:29 | <Gadi> me thinks my ssh key must have changed
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> well that makes things easier.
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| 15:29 | Gadi: surely someone like you has a web server somewhere you can sftp to
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| 15:30 | <Gadi> 1 sec
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| 15:30 | im gettin there
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| 15:35 | silly Gadi doesnt read error msgs
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> it's bad for your eyes
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| 15:39 | <Gadi> well, in theory its working now
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| 15:39 | will tell u when it finishes
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| 15:39 | not as speedy as good 'ole pastebot
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| 15:39 | <vagrantc> but so much easier to use
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| 15:40 | i typically have a lot of problems getting patches from pastebots to cleanly apply
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| 15:40 | there's always some line wrapping problems
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| 15:43 | <Gadi> https://code.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-mods-ltsp
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| 15:51 | <vagrantc> Gadi: still working on getting the patches into the branch? :)
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| 15:51 | <Gadi> https://code.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-mods-ltsp
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| 15:51 | thats the branch
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| 15:52 | <vagrantc> it's identical to ogra's feisty branch
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| 15:52 | <Gadi> ?
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| 15:53 | how?
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| 15:53 | ldm should be different
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| 15:53 | <vagrantc> last commit is 2007-04-25 by oliver
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| 15:54 | Gadi: bzr st(atus) ?
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| 15:54 | <Gadi> ok try now
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> nothing new yet
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| 15:56 | Gadi: bzr revno
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| 15:56 | <Gadi> one sec - pushing again
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| 15:56 | ok
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| 15:56 | how bout now
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| 15:56 | <vagrantc> nada
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| 15:57 | <Gadi> revno = 522
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| 15:57 | <vagrantc> there it is
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| 15:58 | * vagrantc reads the commit message and shakes head | |
| 15:58 | <markgreene> Hey everyone. I just recently discovered the LTSP and I would like to know if it's easy enough to have computers boot into CentOS instead of Ubuntu
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| 15:58 | * Gadi shakes head at this whole thing | |
| 15:59 | <Administrador> hola
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> markgreene: i don't believe CentOS has an ltsp5 implementation yet
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| 16:00 | <Administrador> alguien conoce este error: pxe -e3a: tftp too many packages
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| 16:00 | <markgreene> vagrantc: OK, so I have this right - I cannot run a linux terminal server for any distro that has not tarball ed the distro especially for ltsp?
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| 16:02 | <vagrantc> markgreene: ltsp5 is built using the host distribution's packages ... so in theory a debian server will host debian thin clients, a centos server will host centos thin clients ... but nobody's done the work for centos yet, as far as i know
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| 16:03 | <Administrador> hello, somebody speak spanish?
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| 16:03 | <vagrantc> Administrador: un poco
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| 16:03 | <Administrador> ok
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| 16:03 | <Administrador> haber si me puede ayudar
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| 16:03 | <markgreene> vagrantc: OK thanks
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| 16:04 | <Administrador> al arrancar el terminal me da este error:
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| 16:04 | <vagrantc> !integration
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| 16:04 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "integration" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp
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| 16:04 | <vagrantc> markgreene: that url explains it
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| 16:04 | <Administrador> pxe -e3a: tftp too many packages
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| 16:07 | <Gadi> PXE-E3A: TFTP too many packages. This message can mean one of two things. 1 – You are trying to download a file using TFTP that is larger than the allocated buffer. 2 – You started downloading a file as a slave client using MTFTP and the file increased in size when you became the master client.
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| 16:09 | probablemente tu tratas usar el "image" para Etherboot y es el error
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| 16:09 | <Administrador> Gadi: como puedo solucionarlo
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| 16:09 | <Gadi> el image de etherboot es mas grande y no es el image correcto
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| 16:09 | necesitas cambiar el dhcpd.conf
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| 16:09 | <Administrador> | |
| 16:10 | <Gadi> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#dhcpd_conf_example
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| 16:11 | mira que hay "filename" diferente para Etherboot y para PXE
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| 16:12 | <Administrador> ok voy a mirar
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| 16:12 | gracias
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| 16:12 | <Gadi> no hay de que
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| 16:13 | :)
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| 16:13 | * Gadi just learned that expression from an intern | |
| 16:17 | <markgreene> So does anyone know if I can use ltsp4 to use centOS on the thin clients?
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| 17:04 | <cliebow> markgreene:sure
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| 17:04 | 4.2 you want
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| 17:05 | or you can use tarballs bult on ubuntu
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| 17:50 | <sahil> hi my clients are getting a dhcp address from my server but i get a pxe error that says file not found
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| 17:51 | <sahil> any ideas
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| 17:52 | <moa_> do you have files inside /tftpboot/?
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| 17:53 | <sahil> yes
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| 17:54 | i figured it out
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| 17:54 | <moa_> What was it?
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| 17:54 | <sahil> i put the kernel inside the workstation in dhcpd.conf
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| 17:55 | now im getting usb-uhci failed
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| 17:55 | but progress!
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| 17:55 | <moa_> one step at a time
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| 17:55 | <sahil> ha yes
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| 17:55 | any ideas with regards to that one
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| 17:55 | <moa_> um, one sec
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| 17:57 | Nope, sorry. I'm sure someone else in here could offer more help than I can
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| 17:58 | * moa_ is still searching though | |
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| 17:59 | <vykarian> hi all
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| 17:59 | can I change keyboard layout thru lts.conf?
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| 17:59 | I use a pt_BR ABNT2 and just can't set that..
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| 18:00 | <vykarian> already edited the build_x4_cfg for that
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| 18:07 | <moa_> vykarian: XkbLayout = "us"
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| 18:08 | <sahil> usb-uhci is the usb modules
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| 18:09 | <moa_> vykarian: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/XkbLayout
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| 18:12 | sahil: I couldn't find anything for you. Sorry mate.
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| 18:13 | my time has come bye all
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| 18:13 | <vykarian> moa_, does that work If I don't start a graphic session?
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| 18:13 | <moa_> vykarian: give it a try and find out ;)
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| 18:13 | I've never tried it
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| 18:14 | <vykarian> thats kinda a retoric question :(
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| 18:14 | I already tried all ways..
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| 18:15 | <moa_> lol
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| 18:15 | <vykarian> so I'm starting to think that is my input that ltsp is reading that's wrong
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| 18:15 | <moa_> I'm not an ltsp expert..was in here earlier in the day asking questions myself.
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| 18:16 | gotta go, sorry
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| 18:32 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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| 19:19 | <mistik1> hola jammcq
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| 19:19 | <jammcq> hey mistik1, how's it goin?
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| 19:19 | <mistik1> Its going pretty well
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| 19:19 | Cant complain at all
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| 19:20 | <jammcq> you watching the game?
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| 19:20 | <mistik1> jammcq: Hey do you think you could open that imap port for this address
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| 19:20 | I was about to, watching Enterprise right now
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| 19:20 | <jammcq> I can, but soon, i'll be moving some stuff around
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| 19:21 | what's your addr?
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| 19:22 | <mistik1> 69.114.245.233
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| 19:23 | <jammcq> ok, done
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| 19:36 | <mistik1> jammcq: thanks
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| 19:36 | now i'm scared to login ;-)
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| 19:41 | <mistik1> jammcq: I'm still really pissed about the Phoenix series though
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| 20:26 | <Faithful> mistik1: I have a syntax error in killerwall
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| 22:40 | <mistik1> Faithful: how so?
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| 22:42 | <Faithful> [: 393: 0: unexpected operator
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| 22:42 | ./killerwall: 581: Syntax error: Bad substitution
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| 22:42 | <mistik1> are you using busybox or something?
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| 22:44 | those are simple echos *shrug*
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| 22:46 | Faithful: what version is /bin/sh ?
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| 22:46 | Is it linked to bash on the machine running killerwall or something else?
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| 22:47 | <Faithful> well... don't know mistik1 I was trying to run it on fiesty
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| 22:47 | <mistik1> well look and see
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| 22:51 | <Faithful> I have to reinstall fiesty
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| 22:51 | it seems none of the firewall distros have usbserial (which I need)
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