IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 16 March 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:56 | <daduke> jammcq: howdy. got a minute?
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| 09:13 | <Appiah> Hello , anyone in here managed to cluster LTSP in a easy way?
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| 09:16 | <sep> i belive you can use a list of servers on LDM_SERVER or a script that checks "load/usage/whatever" and returns a server and the client with use that server.
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| 09:16 | <stgraber> Appiah: We develop ltsp-cluster at Revolution Linux
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| 09:16 | <sep> no hot failover tho
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| 09:16 | <stgraber> Appiah: https://wiki.stgraber.org/LTSP-Cluster
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| 09:16 | <sep> i have not used it in production. but i have tested it and it works
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| 09:18 | <Appiah> stgraber oh , is that package done in ubuntu now?
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| 09:59 | <stgraber> Appiah: the integration is done in LTSP for the thin client side, the server side is in a PPA
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| 10:15 | <Appiah> stgraber: what do you mean? is not all clustering server-side?
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| 10:25 | <ogra> Appiah, the ltsp-cluster stuff does load balancing and decides to which server your client logs in based on the load a server has ... so indeed its a matter of client *and* server
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| 10:29 | <Appiah> but I mean ,
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| 10:29 | after the client is logged in
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| 10:30 | is there anything running on the client?
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| 10:30 | like a cluster-thinclient app?
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| 10:39 | <stgraber> Appiah: no
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| 10:42 | <Appiah> stgraber is it possible for a non-dev to setup the ltsp-cluster PPA ?
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| 10:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> How do I assign special drivers based on PCI ID? I have found what appears to be assignment here: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci, but making changes doesn't seem to work.
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| 10:59 | <stgraber> Appiah: there are some docs available on the wiki (https://wiki.stgraber.org/LTSP-Cluster), it's basically installing the packages and changing a few variables
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| 10:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> I am trying to get the via drivers to be loaded automatically instead of the openchrome drivers for the PCI ID 11063122
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| 11:02 | <stgraber> hey CAN-o-SPAM
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| 11:02 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hi stgraber, how are you
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| 11:02 | <stgraber> CAN-o-SPAM: fine and you ? had a good time in Texas ?
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| 11:04 | <cyberorg> stgraber, hi, can you have a look at http://prime.cyberorg.co.in/ltsp-cluster-control/Admin/admin.php and see what am i missing? i cant find where to add clients from
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| 11:04 | <CAN-o-SPAM> yes it was a good time, trying to get everything setup for all of you in up there
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| 11:05 | <vagrantc> CAN-o-SPAM: hey, so how did the logo contest go?
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| 11:06 | <CAN-o-SPAM> vagrantc: i've been out of town for 3 weeks, so later today i plan on "cleaning that up" i think we're missing some votes though
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| 11:11 | <stgraber> cyberorg: seems to work
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| 11:11 | CAN-o-SPAM: Am I not supposed to vote ? :)
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| 11:11 | cyberorg: out for some food now, will check again after
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| 11:12 | <cyberorg> stgraber, ok
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| 11:14 | <Keaton> Hey, #ltsp. I've just put together my first Ubuntu-based terminal server, and I've noticed a bit of a hitch involving local usb devices, like thumb drives: when you pop one in a thin client, it shows up on everyone's desktop. Has anyone else bumped into this?
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> Keaton: probably your users need to be in their own primary group
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| 11:15 | Keaton: using ldap or some other remote authentication?
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| 11:16 | <Keaton> Yup, LDAP.
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| 11:22 | <Keaton> Is there some way to change the PnP mount script to make it accessible to the user that initiates it, rather than the group, that you know of?
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| 11:23 | <vagrantc> you'd have to patch the C code and recompile the ltspfs package
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| 11:23 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, you experimented a bit with nbd cow, how did it go?
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| 11:23 | <Keaton> Urck. That's a bit over my head. Thanks anyway, though.
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| 11:23 | <vagrantc> Keaton: just figure out how to add each user to their own primary group (the first group)
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| 11:24 | <Keaton> vagrantc: That is my plan B, but it's a bit messy on the server end, so I was hoping for a way around it.
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| 11:24 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: long time ago ... don't really remember. filed a few bugs as a result...
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| 11:24 | cyberorg: bugs on NBD
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| 11:24 | Keaton: less messy than your other options :)
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| 11:25 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, ah, this is in continuation of our pursuit of finding aufs alternative :)
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| 11:27 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: NBD cow should work great, but there were a few limitations ... like it only allowed you to write to the cow file if the source file was writeable, it had to sit right next to the source file, that sort of thing...
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| 11:29 | cyberorg: http://bugs.debian.org/470963
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| 11:30 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, discussion there seem to have died on that bug
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| 11:31 | <vagrantc> yeah, i filed it a year ago
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| 11:32 | i'm sure a patch would likely spurn some interest :)
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| 11:32 | <ogra> whats wrong with aufs ?
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| 11:33 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: looks like at least one of the bugs was fixed: http://bugs.debian.org/470851
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| 11:34 | <cyberorg> ogra, https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=483444 "Drop aufs"
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| 11:34 | <ogra> use unionfs :P
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 11:37 | <cyberorg> ogra, dm-snapshot is what is planned, nbd cow just came up
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| 13:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> ogra: ping
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| 13:07 | <ogra> _UsUrPeR_, on my way out, whats up ?
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| 13:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> wondering how a server selects which driver to use for a client's video card
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| 13:08 | I'm looking in here: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci
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| 13:08 | Where I see the PCI addresses
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| 13:08 | <ogra> right
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| 13:08 | thats how it works nowadays
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| 13:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, so I have reassigned a PCI device to use the via drivers instead of openchrome
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| 13:08 | <ogra> if there is no xorg.conf it will look at the PCI ID and assign the right driver to it
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| 13:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> yet it still boots w/openchrome. is there someplace else I need to check?
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| 13:09 | ogra: yeah, no xorg.conf here. I need this automated in case our customer is using a combo of via and intel-based thinclients
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| 13:09 | <ogra> there are several layers of mechanisms though for backwards compatibility, i'd suggest talking to tjaalton or bryce or someone else in #ubuntu-x
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| 13:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> ogra: rgr. what is their capacity?
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| 13:10 | <ogra> they know more about it than me
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| 13:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, cool. thanks a lot
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| 13:10 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: it is harad coded in a C source file
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| 13:10 | _UsUrPeR_: it doesn't use the text tables during runtime
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| 13:11 | _UsUrPeR_: some distros add their own non-standard detection before xorg.conf
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| 13:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: oh. is that for both ubuntu and fedora? I'm using ubuntu right now
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| 13:11 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: Ubuntu I think uses a non-standard detection thing before xorg.conf, but that isn't used with LTSP I think.
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| 13:11 | <ogra> afaik there are three layered detection mechanisms
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| 13:11 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: Fedora has a blank xorg.conf and relies on X autodetection
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| 13:11 | <ogra> the upstream one is first in ubuntu
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| 13:11 | if that fails it falls back to /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/<card>.ids
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| 13:12 | and if that doesnt work there is another one i dont remember we inherit from debian
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| 13:12 | xorg.conf overrides them all
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| 13:12 | <warren> how do you detect if it fails?
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| 13:12 | X itself would fail to start if that fails.
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| 13:13 | <ogra> right
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| 13:13 | <warren> sometimes fail means "get stuck and don't exit"
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| 13:13 | <ogra> instead of failing it parses the ids
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| 13:13 | as you said, if it doesnt find a matching hardcoded id it moves on to the .ids files
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| 13:14 | <warren> oh, that kind of fail
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| 13:14 | <ogra> right
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| 13:14 | and if that fails there is a debconf based mechanism iirc
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| 13:14 | and if that fails too there is vesa
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| 13:15 | and the ubuntu config tool
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| 13:15 | which automatically tarts up on non thin clients to help you configure an xorg.conf
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| 13:15 | *starts
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| 13:16 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/bullet-proof-x
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| 14:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> just did a new install of ubuntu 8.10 x64 alternative to test out an install process I am writing up for a client, and it's failing to boot. It is instead going to an initramfs prompt
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| 14:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> anyone know why? I have never seen this problem before
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| 14:15 | It's giving me a negotiation error: "Server closed connection"
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: daily build or alpha 6? I think I also saw this, but an update solved it...
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| 14:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> I just built this, like, 30 minutes ago
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> Ah, 8.10 - sorry, I thought 9.04
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| 14:19 | <_UsUrPeR_> the actual error it's giving is "Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init"
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| 14:19 | "no init found/ try passing init= bootarg
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> Maybe ipconfig doesn't get the "next-server" from dhcp?
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| 14:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> rebuilding image. I'll check that next
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| 14:20 | strange though. the alternate CD (which i just installed) seemed to set everything up fine previously
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| 14:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: no dice there. next-server is commented out by default
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| 14:28 | I did an aptitude full-upgrade.
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| 14:28 | maybe something's broke
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| 14:37 | <dhcrawford> afternoon, has anyone attempted to use OS X Leopard as the DHCP server that points to the LTSP server?
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| 20:01 | <jammcq> hey laprag
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| 20:01 | <laprag> hey Jim
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| 20:02 | How are you?
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| 20:02 | <jammcq> doing well
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| 20:02 | finally getting some relatively nice weather here
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| 20:02 | you in .no ?
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| 20:03 | <laprag> Glad to hear it. Hey, the weather was nice a few weeks back too, just a little on the cold side
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| 20:03 | No, just got to FL
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| 20:03 | An hour ago
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| 20:03 | Already in bed :-)
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| 20:03 | <jammcq> wow, back in the US again
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| 20:04 | <laprag> Yeah for three weeks this time
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| 20:04 | Critical time for the project
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| 20:04 | <jammcq> holy moly
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| 20:04 | <laprag> Did you look at the Squeezbox thingy?
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| 20:04 | <jammcq> no, haven't had a chance
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| 20:05 | <laprag> heh
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| 20:06 | Heh, I was watching James Bond on the flight. Thought of you and that huge TV, woulda looked better there :-)
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| 20:06 | <jammcq> ah, once in a while, I walk out into the living room and see it
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| 20:06 | mostly, I'm living in my den
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| 20:06 | but with the surround sound, I can feel it
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| 20:06 | <laprag> I bet
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| 20:07 | Getting more customers at McQ?
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| 20:08 | <jammcq> yeah, it's picking up
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| 20:08 | had a good weekend out there
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| 20:08 | <laprag> Great
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| 20:09 | Quiet here. Does Scotty drop in now and then?
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| 20:10 | <jammcq> yeah, but he's been mostly not here lately
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| 20:10 | something going on at work I think
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| 20:10 | <laprag> Even at night?
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| 20:11 | <jammcq> sometimes yeah
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| 20:11 | <laprag> Dedicated employee
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| 20:11 | <jammcq> I just texted him
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| 20:11 | we'll see if he shows up
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| 20:11 | <laprag> ltspbot: seen scotty
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| 20:11 | <ltspbot> laprag: I have not seen scotty.
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| 20:12 | <jammcq> ltspbot: seen sbalneav
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| 20:12 | <ltspbot> jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 4 days, 9 hours, 18 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <sbalneav> At some point it's a case of diminishing returns. I don't know wether you're a consultant or an employee, but hardware's cheap, and the amount of time you're going to spend: devising a patch, testing the patch, rolling a new kernel, then MAINTAINING that patch through every kernel upgrade (1 more message)
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| 20:12 | <laprag> ah
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| 20:13 | <jammcq> he just replied. he's at the office still. he said he'd pop in when he gets home
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| 20:13 | <laprag> I'll be asleep I think. Hard to keep my eyes open
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| 20:14 | <jammcq> well, flying all day?
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| 20:14 | <laprag> Yes, and working all the way. 9 1/2 hours
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| 20:15 | <jammcq> wow, dedicated
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| 20:15 | <laprag> Throw in five hours time difference
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| 20:15 | Result is fatigue
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| 20:15 | <jammcq> yeah, not to mention the metric conversion
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| 20:15 | <laprag> Well, installing power outlets in the seats was not a step forward ;-)
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| 20:16 | <jammcq> plane fully loaded today?
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| 20:16 | <laprag> No excuse for not having the laptop out anymore
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| 20:17 | Not too bad. I think the Tampa run is a special case. About ten wheelchairs, lots of grey hair
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| 20:17 | That London flight is *the* reason it's Tampa *International*
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| 20:18 | Coming back from DC ten days ago, it was very quiet
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| 20:19 | Heh, I've been "working the Hill" :-)
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| 20:20 | Interesting experience to see the inner cricles of power in this country
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| 20:20 | <jammcq> oh cool
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| 20:40 | * Lumiere hops in... | |
| 20:40 | <Lumiere> the Hill is hell on earth
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| 20:41 | <stgraber> hey laprag
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| 20:41 | <laprag> Hi there
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| 20:42 | <Lumiere> jammcq: looks like I am about to be maintaining LTSP again :)
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| 20:42 | <jammcq> oh wow
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| 20:42 | how'd that happen?
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| 20:43 | <Lumiere> remember jelkner?
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| 20:43 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 20:43 | teacher at yorktown
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| 20:43 | * laprag closes the lid | |
| 20:43 | <laprag> see ya
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| 20:43 | <jammcq> ciao
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| 20:43 | <Lumiere> he's moved down to another building
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| 20:44 | that I am network administrator
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| 20:45 | and working on CanDo
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| 20:45 | (at some point I'll get a real site for it... but for now) www.careercenter.arlington.k12.va.us/cando/
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| 20:46 | <jammcq> wow, looks cool
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| 20:47 | <Lumiere> yea, it is enjoyable
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| 20:48 | the development team... Lithuania, El Salvador, Philly
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| 20:48 | and Students from local schools
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