IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 3 March 2018 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:28 | <alkisg> clarknova_: what's the last message that you see on the clients?
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| 13:06 | <Nitrigaur> I want to be able to start a terminal session from a windows server, using a windows password (ads). Is this possible, preferrably with only free software(not counting the windows server)?
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| 13:07 | And this needs to be a grpahical terminal session, with X-Windows/
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| 13:07 | And this needs to be a graphical terminal session, with X-Windows (LXDE)
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> Nitrigaur: how is this related to ltsp?
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| 13:08 | LTSP is about netbooted clients, do you have anything netbooted?
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| 13:08 | <Nitrigaur> alkisg. It would start the same graphical terminal session, although not through PXE.
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> LTSP is about pxe though...
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| 13:11 | <Nitrigaur> alkisg, that is good to know. Could you recommend something that would mirror the functionality I'm looking for, outside of PXE?I could start a QUEMU session using a minimal machine to get a PXE entry point, but that would probably complicate matters, rather than solve anything. Wouldn't you agree?
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| 13:27 | <quinox1> network-booting a VM is easy
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| 13:29 | hooking PAM up to ActiveDirectory LDAP should be doable, I've never done it with PAM but I have hooked up things to AD LDAP
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| 13:30 | idunno what your use case is
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| 13:32 | VirtualBox running LXDE, dual-booting LTSP, NoMachine NX, VNC... there are so many options
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| 13:32 | <Nitrigaur> quinox1, This is my use case: We run a small institution (non-profit) serving about 25 users. They need to be able to start a XWindow session with full desktop environment from a windows gateway server that they have access to.
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| 13:33 | <quinox1> you can run X on Windows as well, then use the Windows as desktop env?
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| 13:33 | <Nitrigaur> VNC already needs a running logged in version to connect to, or am I am making the wrong assumption here?
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| 13:34 | version -> Desktop session.
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| 13:35 | quinox1, you mean using CygWin or something similar?
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> Nitrigaur: can you specify this? what OS will the clients run, and what OS will they connect to
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| 13:37 | <Nitrigaur> alkisg, sure: The clients will use windows 7+ and the server that contains the applications they need to run is a linux server.
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| 13:37 | <alkisg> Nitrigaur: ok, then x2go
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| 13:37 | !x2go
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| 13:37 | <ltsp> x2go: x2go is an NX-based suite of applications that allow logging in to a remote X server from any OS. It's much more efficient than VNC over slow network. More info: http://www.x2go.org/
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| 13:39 | <Nitrigaur> alkisg, Isn't NX a commercial product?
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| 13:39 | <alkisg> x2go is open source
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| 13:39 | nx is commercial, with a smaller free version
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| 13:39 | I suggest x2go
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| 13:39 | <Nitrigaur> alkisg, Wow! that sounds good! Thanks for the link!
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| 13:40 | <alkisg> np
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| 13:40 | There's also xrdp if you'll need it
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| 13:40 | You'd install xrdp-server on the linux server, and then use the windows mstsc rdp client
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| 13:40 | But try x2go first
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| 13:41 | <Nitrigaur> I will, thanks again.
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| 13:45 | Maybe someday, the institution will eschew Windows as a desktop environment and we'll use ltsp. Currently, most of our partners are staunch Windows addicts, which leaves us no choice than to run Windows on the desktop :-(
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> it's also possible to netboot linux/ltsp, and use windows either with rdp or vm
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| 13:46 | <quinox1> whatever gets the job done
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| 13:47 | <Nitrigaur> quinox1, indeed.
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| 13:50 | alkisg, true, but Windows terminal seat liceneses are more expensive than local Windows installations (mostly included in the sale price of the desktop machines) on the small scale that we work in.
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| 13:51 | alkisg, our government and the EU federal government would do themselves a favour if they would ban the "Windows tax" on new machines, but they are hopelessly addicated to RedMond as well. A sad reality.
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| 13:52 | <alkisg> Nitrigaur: afaik you can run the local windows in a vm; nothing prohibits that
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| 13:54 | <Nitrigaur> alkisg, most licenses of Windows7-10 below Enterprise level unfortunately are illegal to run in a VM if you read the license carefully. This is ignored widely by individuals, but we cannot afford to do that on institution level.
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| 13:56 | Not everything runs as well in a VM as on a regular machine, but VM's do get better and better in that regard.
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| 13:58 | alkisg, quinox1, I got to run to the shop and do some groceries now. Thank you so much for pointing me in the right direction :-D
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| 13:58 | <alkisg> It's been a long time since I asked microsoft about it, it might have been for windows 7 home
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| 13:58 | bb
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| 17:29 | <SmashK> Hi
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| 17:29 | I alreday have my LTSP on amd64
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| 17:29 | whats the fastest way to add an i386-image to it?
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| 17:35 | <alkisg> ltsp-build-client -arch i386
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| 17:45 | <SmashK> and the menu to select what I want to boot?
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| 17:47 | <alkisg> You can either use pxelinux's ifcpu to autoselect, or create a dnsmasq/pxe menu, or a pxelinux menu
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| 17:48 | <SmashK> do I need to restart the server after ltsp-build-client?
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| 17:48 | <alkisg> In general though, there's no need for all that complication
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| 17:48 | Usually one i386 chroot is good for all the clients
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| 17:48 | <SmashK> yup, I set up the server as amd64
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| 17:49 | but one old client cant use 64bit (PentiumIII), so I have to add an old i386 version
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| 17:49 | <alkisg> OK, you can use the old i386 version for all the clients
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| 17:49 | So that you don't need menus etc
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| 17:51 | <SmashK> build crashed
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| 17:51 | <alkisg> Do you have any client with more than 8 gb ram?
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| 17:52 | <SmashK> not enough place in /var/cache/apt/archives
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| 17:52 | damn it
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| 17:52 | no
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| 17:52 | <alkisg> Does your server have more than 8 gb ram?
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| 17:52 | <SmashK> I could setup one in a virtBox-machine
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| 17:53 | nope
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| 17:53 | gave him 4 I think
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| 17:53 | <alkisg> Then why don't you use the i386 installation everywhere?
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| 17:53 | It's much simpler, with no real performance loss...
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| 17:53 | <SmashK> nope, just 2gb
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| 17:53 | <alkisg> You lose 10% speed, you gain 20% ram, so i386 is just fine
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| 17:54 | <SmashK> everything setup from fresh?
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> That's what I would do, yes
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| 17:54 | But if you want a complicated setup.... sure, go for it :)
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| 17:54 | <SmashK> as long as you are online to do that magic ipappend 2-stuf again :D
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| 17:55 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 17:55 | If you follow the instructions in time, that won't be needed
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| 17:55 | You did the instructions later, out of order, that's why it was needed
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| 18:01 | <SmashK> in rather old versions of Ubuntu-Servers (10.04 and 12.04) there was an option to select "Install a LTSP-server" in the F6-menu of Install-DVD
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| 18:01 | is tehre anything like that in actuall versions?
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| 18:12 | <alkisg> No, it wasn't very useful and it was removed
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| 18:13 | Most installations use ltsp fat clients nowadays, not thin clients, like that setup did
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| 18:14 | The server cd doesn't even have a desktop environment,it's not suitable for ltsp
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| 18:15 | <SmashK> thx
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| 20:36 | <SmashK> dropped the new i386 install
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| 20:36 | cant even find the site where the easy ltsp-install-process was explained
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| 20:37 | <alkisg> !ltsp-manager
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| 20:37 | <ltsp> ltsp-manager: LTSP Manager is a GUI tool that makes LTSP maintenance easy. It's the recommended way to install LTSP in common setups. More info: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager
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| 20:37 | <SmashK> dont like the same long stuff again and again and again cause easy things arent explained on easy ways
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| 20:58 | pls link http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager/Installation to http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation, so that noone needs to search for the easy things
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