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Channel log from 9 December 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:45 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 09:00 | <highvoltage> good morning mgariepy
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| 09:32 | <m4xx_> i'm trying to set up a ltsp thinclient environment. mostly everything is working fine but when trying to use crossover or wine the application freezes when it shows a dialog box. at first i thought it may be the emulator but i'm not sure that it is on the account that both emulators freeze in the exact same spot.
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| 12:10 | <m4xx_> i'm trying to set up a ltsp/thinclient environment. All the built in stuff works great, however when i open a windows app using both crossover or wine and it displays a dialog box teh whole screen freezes. I'm really not sure what's going on. I love what i've seen so far and would really like to get this to work.
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| 12:15 | the strange thing is everything works just fine when i use a local session, but if i use one of the thinclients is when it freezes
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| 12:15 | <alkisg> Distro/version?
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| 12:16 | <m4xx_> edubuntu 10.10
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| 12:16 | <alkisg> Do you have anything in your lts.conf?
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| 12:16 | <m4xx_> everything is default except for ip's
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| 12:16 | <alkisg> So you don't have an lts.conf?
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| 12:16 | <m4xx_> no sir
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| 12:16 | <alkisg> (by default there is none)
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| 12:16 | OK
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| 12:16 | How much RAM on the thin client?
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| 12:16 | <m4xx_> 500MB i believe
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> And you're using it as a thin client, no localapps, no fat clients or other fancy stuff, right?
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| 12:17 | <m4xx_> nothing at all
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| 12:17 | just the server and 1 thinclient
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> Are you trying to run a specific app, or does it happen with any app?
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| 12:17 | E.g. the wine notepad?
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| 12:17 | <m4xx_> hp t5145
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| 12:18 | is the type of thinclient i have
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| 12:18 | i can try notepad if you would like
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> Ah, does that have openchrome?
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| 12:18 | <m4xx_> no sir
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> Try this:
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| 12:18 | <m4xx_> it has no local apps
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> !localxterm
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| 12:18 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> On a localxterm, run: lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
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| 12:18 | What do you get?
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| 12:18 | <m4xx_> would that be after the pxe boot or befor?
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| 12:19 | <alkisg> After you login
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| 12:19 | <m4xx_> like a local session or the remote session
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| 12:19 | <alkisg> A remote session
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| 12:19 | Ah
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| 12:19 | Any would do
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| 12:19 | If you have a local session, then run it there
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| 12:19 | I just want to see the graphics card and the driver used
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| 12:19 | <m4xx_> i was going to say i cant do that locally
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| 12:19 | ok on second please
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| 12:19 | *one
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| 12:22 | when i do that it shows the servers video card
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| 12:22 | oh
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| 12:22 | i'm sorry i didnt see the other part
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| 12:22 | one second
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| 12:25 | http://pastebin.ca/2014956
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| 12:26 | brb
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| 12:26 | back
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| 12:26 | <alkisg> Right so it has a chrome card, that's why I was saying about openchrome
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| 12:27 | * alkisg hates those graphics cards :( | |
| 12:27 | <m4xx_> sorry, i thought you were talking about the browser :x
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| 12:28 | do you think this is the source of my problem?
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| 12:28 | <alkisg> On the thin client, on a normal gnome-terminal, what do you get with: ps -e | grep compiz
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| 12:28 | ?
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| 12:28 | <m4xx_> nothing
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| 12:29 | <alkisg> And with: ps -e | grep metacity
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| 12:29 | ?
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| 12:29 | A line?
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| 12:29 | <m4xx_> yes hold i will paste
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| 12:29 | <alkisg> No no need
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| 12:29 | Try opening /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 12:30 | <alkisg> In there, put "nomodeset" right next to "quiet splash"
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| 12:30 | <m4xx_> i can do that from the server correct?
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| 12:30 | <alkisg> Reboot the client, and try running: wine notepad
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| 12:30 | Yes
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| 12:31 | <m4xx_> fyi, i can already open an app
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| 12:32 | it's when it shows a dialog box or something similar. not sure if you ever used rsa's securid app. the actuall program loads but when i got to menu>select token and the dialog shows is when it freeze. i can open ms office 2007 fine and modify the default document.
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| 12:33 | logging in now
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| 12:34 | <alkisg> Ah, that's why I asked above about (08:18:39 PM) alkisg: Are you trying to run a specific app, or does it happen with any app?
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| 12:34 | I thought that was with *any* wine app
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| 12:34 | So that specific application runs on the server but hangs on the thin client?
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| 12:35 | <m4xx_> pretty much
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| 12:35 | notepad opened fine
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| 12:35 | was able to open the save as dialog just fine
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| 12:35 | tried the rsa securid software again and again it froze.
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| 12:36 | <alkisg> And that software runs on the server without hanging?
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| 12:36 | <m4xx_> yes sir
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| 12:36 | runs great
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| 12:37 | <alkisg> Try this:
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| 12:37 | sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 12:37 | In there, put:
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| 12:37 | [Default]
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| 12:37 | LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 12:37 | Then reboot the client and try again launching the software
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| 12:39 | <evil_root> morning alkisg
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| 12:39 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 12:39 | <m4xx_> loggin in now
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| 12:40 | same
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| 12:44 | <alkisg> Check also ~/.xsession-errors for that user
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| 12:44 | Other than those, no idea...
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| 12:49 | <m4xx_> http://pastebin.ca/2014981
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| 12:53 | <m4xx_> alkisg: does any give you any ideas?
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| 12:55 | <alkisg> Nope. If you have another client handy, I'd try with a client that has a different graphics card, to ensure that it's a driver/wine issue.
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| 12:56 | <m4xx_> it's the only thinclient i have, can i use another computer with pxe?
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| 12:56 | <alkisg> Sure, any computer will do
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| 12:56 | Even if it doesn't have pxe :)
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> For managing fat clients in the future, I'm thinking the following scenario: the user installs any distro in a vbox normally, without using ltsp-build-client. He adds apps with synaptic, uses sabayon to specify preferences etc etc. Nothing related to ltsp so far.
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| 13:08 | Then he installs ltsp-client inside the image. And finally he calls a special version of "ltsp-update-image-vbox" script which uses vdfuse to mount the vbox disk and then squashfs'es it into /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img.
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| 13:08 | For that to work, the ltsp-client initramfs + initscripts should be smart enough to just exit if the chroot is booted locally (i.e. from within the vbox image).
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| 13:08 | Would anyone mind if some code snippets were added in this direction?
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| 13:09 | <m4xx_> i'm trying to pxe boot using this netbook and it says invalid card number. how else can i test this?
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| 13:09 | vnc viewer?
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> Invalid card number? Maybe it's missing a module... No, vnc won't do.
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| 13:10 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AddingModules
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| 13:11 | <vagrantc> alkisg: why not use ltsp-build-client?
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> vagrantc: just because there's no need for it in that scenario
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| 13:11 | The OS will be inside the vbox disk
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| 13:11 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ok, then... why use virtualbox?
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> To have GUI access to the chroot
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| 13:12 | <vagrantc> hmmm
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| 13:12 | basically so you don't have to understand what you're doing?
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| 13:12 | <alkisg> Teachers know how to use GUIs but not console
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| 13:12 | So I'm thinking it'll be an alternative way for them to manage a chroot
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| 13:12 | E.g. how can one use sabayon in an ltsp chroot now?
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| 13:13 | Or gconf-editor? Or synaptic? Etc etc..
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| 13:13 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> The same snippets could be used if one decides to have a normal workstation as a "chroot template"
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| 13:13 | I.e. not to have a vbox image, but a standalone PC, and use that as the chroot
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| 13:14 | I don't think more that 10-20 lines will be needed...
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| 14:06 | <m4xx_> alkisg how else can i test this if not vnc? would it be possible to test using a windows box?
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| 14:07 | <alkisg> m4xx_: with another pc...
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| 14:07 | Since it's already running on the server, I don't think vnc/windows will be helpful
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| 14:07 | <m4xx_> all the other pc's i try all fail to pxe boot
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| 14:07 | <alkisg> ...but another thin client that only has a graphics driver different would tell you it's indeed a driver problem
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| 14:07 | !gpxe
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| 14:07 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "gpxe" :: the successor to etherboot (http://etherboot.org). To download bootable floppy, cd, usb, kernel etc images, visit http://rom-o-matic.net/
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| 14:07 | <m4xx_> i tried a netbook and an emachines
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> Instead of pxe booting you can use gpxe ^^^
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> or apparently, ipxe... ugh.
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| 14:17 | <alkisg> No rom-o-matic for ipxe yet ;)
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| 14:59 | <m4xx_> i've tried to boot using that disk on 3 different computers, not one of them worked =[
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| 15:02 | i've tried to boot via nic pxe on 2 different computers, neither worked.
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| 15:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> m4xx_: what disk?
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| 15:16 | <m4xx_> etherboot
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| 15:17 | <_UsUrPeR_> woof
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| 15:17 | by "disk" do you mean 3.5" floppy?
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| 15:45 | <m4xx_> no i'm using the is and burned it to a cd
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| 15:46 | actually i did get it to bood from one nic's pxe but the screen was up side down some how
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| 17:35 | <evil_root> for anyone wondering, ltsp-cluster = awesome
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| 17:48 | <AndyGraybeal> bice
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| 17:48 | nice
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| 18:48 | <stgraber> cliebow !!!
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| 19:55 | <petre> evening all
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| 20:40 | <highvoltage> hey petre
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| 21:02 | <petre> so, I installed Ubuntu 10.4 & LTSP using the alternate install CD
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| 21:02 | server has two nics, and while ifconfig shows them both up, I can't get a client to boot.
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| 21:03 | I've got tcpdump running on eth1, but I don't see any packets coming in when the client broadcasts a request for an IP address.
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| 21:04 | I've verified the cable is good, the switch works. I'm stumped.
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| 21:04 | The nic for eth1 is gigabit, and the switch has two gbit ports and 24 100Mb ports.
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| 21:05 | At first I was just using a 100Mb switch, as I'm just testing at this point.
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| 21:06 | But when the client wouldn't boot, I changed to the switch with the gbit port in case the card was not negotiating its speed down to 100Mb.
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| 21:06 | Anyone have any suggestions?
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| 23:15 | <sol326> Does LTSP have dual screen ability??
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