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06:08 | <alkisg> vagrantc: hello!
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06:12 | <alkisg> I want to start implementing the various RUN_COMMAND_ON_LTSP_PHASE_XXX= directives, and I wanted to chat about the phases and their names... e.g. initrd_xx, xinit_xx, session_xx... so that then we can e.g. say RC_SESSION_01 (or RC_SESSION_GUESTS with the newer convension that doesn't require numbers) = "find . -delete" in lts.conf to implement guest sessions
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06:13 | Is "RC_*" a good prefix? Or do we want the longer "COMMAND", e.g. "INITRD_COMMAND_xx", "INIT_COMMAND_XX" etc?
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06:14 | * vagrantc prefers longer prefixes in general | |
06:15 | <vagrantc> RC is also a bit overloaded ... /etc/rc.local, RC_FILE* , etc.
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06:16 | <alkisg> Having a common prefix is nice too, it's easier to separate the Run Commands if they start with RC, rather than if they have COMMAND inside the variable name
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06:16 | rc.local, rc_file, rc.d etc are good examples of this, yes
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06:16 | <vagrantc> at any rate, i was about to call it a day
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06:16 | <alkisg> Ah
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06:17 | OK, another time then
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06:17 | I'll work on something else for now :)
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06:18 | <vagrantc> heh.
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06:18 | * alkisg is testing some ideas for the epoptes webchat link... | |
06:18 | <alkisg> ...but on the wrong tab... :D
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06:18 | <vagrantc> heh
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06:19 | * vagrantc waves | |
06:19 | <alkisg> bb!
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09:52 | <alkisg> Could someone please go to the http://www.epoptes.org page and click on the IRC channel link on the left, and tell me the page he got redirected to? (I'm testing the redirection code...)
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09:56 | <muppis> About
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09:57 | Oh, sorry. :D Didn't read well. To webchat.freenode.net with nick preset with hostname.
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09:58 | <alkisg> muppis: can you PM me with the exact results?
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09:58 | the url...
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09:58 | Thanks!
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09:58 | <muppis> There you go.
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09:59 | <alkisg> OK so no more epoptes_userXX in the future, and no more Greek chatting in here either :)
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09:59 | <muppis> :D
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10:11 | <highvoltage> end of an era
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10:16 | <quinox> My current LTSP clients can reboot/shutdown themselves, the 15.04 ones couldn't. It would say "rebooting" and then nothing. Just curious, what part of the system can break this?
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10:19 | <alkisg> quinox: is this on thin clients, and inside the user session? which desktop environment?
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10:20 | <quinox> right sorry, fat clients - both inside a user session and at LightDM when it would "A new image is available" and/or using the reboot button in the login screen
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10:21 | awesome, gnome, kde didn't matter
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10:21 | <alkisg> Ah the 15.04 could not, yeah systemd was broken then, i fixed it later on
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10:21 | (systemd on ubuntu)
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10:22 | <quinox> ah
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10:23 | the infamous systemd
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10:24 | I don't have an opinion on it yet but on slashdot there's alwaya a lot of fighting over whether it's good or bad :)
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10:24 | <alkisg> It's fine, it was a problem with the ubuntu packaging, bringing down the network interfaces that were used for file systems
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10:25 | I like systemd, I hope it will spread like a cancer and standarize all things between distributions so that distributions will only be a selection of packages and nothing more :D
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10:26 | <quinox> :)
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10:35 | <Hyperbyte> Wait, let me just write this down here
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10:35 | This is a historic moment.
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10:36 | !learn systemd as 2015-11-29 11:25 <alkisg> I like systemd
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10:36 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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10:36 | <alkisg> Haha
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10:37 | I hate having to do things in 12938423874 different ways because each distro wants to do things its own way
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10:37 | <Hyperbyte> Seriously. I remember it took quite a bit even convincing you to take a look at it. :P
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10:38 | <alkisg> E.g. there's /etc/network/if-up.d in debian, ubuntu etc, but /etc/network-manager/dispatcher.d is cross distro, so that makes me like network manager :)
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10:39 | I would have to support systemd in the packages I maintain in the future, but I just didn't want to do it too prematurely
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10:39 | Ideally, I would only do it when all distros that I care about switched to systemd
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10:39 | Unfortunately ltsp on ubuntu broke before that point, so I had to look at it sooner...
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10:44 | <Hyperbyte> Well, I'm glad you're onboard the systemd train. ;-)
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10:44 | You have come a long way from:
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10:44 | 10 May 2010 10:52 <alkisg> johnny: never heard about systemd..
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10:46 | <alkisg> In 10 May 2007, I also said: johnny: never heard about ltsp... (to a local friend name john here :))
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10:55 | * alkisg waves | |
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11:14 | <Hyperbyte> :-D
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12:27 | <markit> hi work_alkisg, just for curiosity, what ppa did you add to my server friday? I already had the greek's school ppa
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12:53 | <alkisg> markit: the epoptes proposed ppa, i added it temporarily, so that you get the last epoptes version with the reconnections etc
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12:55 | <markit> alkisg: so I can stay with the greek school for all the other installations and the future, ok, right and thanks again
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12:56 | <alkisg> sure, the greek schools ppa is supposed to be rather stable, yes
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12:56 | <markit> btw, even if you don't give someone assisting you sudo powers, as soon as he needs it and you enter the passwors, he can imediately write "sudo rm -r /" and will not need the password again
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12:57 | so you think you gave him permission only for that command you saw in the terminal while you have broken your security
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12:58 | and back to epoptes, what feature did it had that was present only in "proposed ppa"? I was under stress (programming class coming) and had no time to understand
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12:58 | <alkisg> If you want, you can run sudo command; sudo -k
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12:58 | sudo -k revokes the sudo permission
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12:59 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/changes
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12:59 | Check the changes there from the previous version
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12:59 | One of the significant ones is that it's now very hard for the clients to "disappear" from the epoptes UI
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12:59 | As they reconnect etc
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13:06 | <markit> alkisg: great, I really would love to have your knowledge
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13:06 | <Phantomas> markit: btw, there are some new messages on epoptes. Would be great if you translated them in Italian :)
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13:07 | https://translations.launchpad.net/epoptes/trunk/+pots/epoptes/it/+translate?show=untranslated
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13:09 | <alkisg> Phantomas ftw!
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13:09 | <markit> Phantomas: sure, but feel free to send me an email when nwe translation is needed, unfortunately I don't follow this stuff very closely
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13:12 | <Phantomas> markit: I think this will be all for 0.6.0. I'll try to remember notifying you before next releases :)
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13:12 | maybe we should find out a better notification system for all translators though. Maybe a group Epoptes Translators with a mailing list?
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13:13 | Or patch launchpad to give an option to notify translators when new strings occur :P
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13:13 | <markit> Phantomas: depends upon the traffic on the ML, I've tons of ML I don't look at
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13:13 | Phantomas: the last one seems better, but if you add 100 strings... maybe weekly notification?
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13:14 | btw, translation done
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13:14 | <Phantomas> markit: great, thanks :)
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13:15 | * Phantomas feels a little bit like a hijacker when talking about Epoptes on the LTSP support channel :P | |
13:15 | <markit> Phantomas: I keep thanking you (and alkisg) for epoptes
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13:15 | well, without epoptes some of "my" schools will never had accepted LTSP, so not totally OT ;P
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13:16 | <Phantomas> hehe :)
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13:17 | <markit> btw, I had big dns resolv issues from the server in 14.04 due to strange behaviour of Avahi stuff
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13:17 | I had to remove/disable it, wireshark caputre shows weird things
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13:17 | don't understand if it was (is) a misconfiguration on my side or a weird effect of dnsmasq listening on "client" interface only or whatever
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13:18 | resolution took about 10 seconds each time
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13:18 | just to let you know and wondering if is a known problem
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13:47 | <alkisg> markit: i've seen that "bind-interfaces" and "bind-dynamic" that ubuntu uses for dnsmasq, is causing stability issues yes
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13:47 | sch-scripts disables those on postinst
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13:48 | Phantomas: are we ready to upload a proposed release?
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13:48 | <Phantomas> alkisg: I think so
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13:48 | * alkisg checks bugs.launchpad... | |
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13:58 | <alkisg> Phantomas: #1503820 Direct requirements for epoptes package are declared implictly as requirements for epoptes-client
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14:00 | and #1469044 Support dnsmasq-hosts configuration files
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14:06 | <Phantomas> alkisg: If we want the dnsmasq-hosts file support, we'll have to wait a few more days
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14:08 | * Phantomas bbl | |
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14:10 | <markit> alkisg: I don't use network manager, I've installed dnsmasq only as dns cache and is binded to client bound
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14:10 | <alkisg> sudo netstat -nap | grep dnsmasq
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14:11 | Send the results of that
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16:06 | <alkisg> Phantomas: I've fixed LP: #1503820 and I've uploaded a build to the epoptes-proposed PPA.
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16:06 | Remaining things to do: 1) dnsmasq (LP: #1469044) or lts.conf hostname parsing, 2) avoid crashing with network benchmark and 2 NICs, one of them without IP.
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16:06 | I think then we'll be ready to do a stable 0.6 release.
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