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Channel log from 27 June 2017 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:24 | <alkisg> Good morning all :)
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| 09:06 | <Eric4> About "sed: can't read /etc/rc.local: no such file or directory" while booting debian 9 over ltsp. I know this is just a warning, but i didn't want my users to see any error message. Juste replace "sed '${/^exit 0$/d;}' -i /etc/rc.local" with "sed '${/^exit 0$/d;}' -i /etc/rc.local 2> /dev/null" in /usr/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/50-rcfiles
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| 09:23 | <bcg> [ -f /etc/rc.local ] && sed ...
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| 09:24 | or if you prefer $? being 0:
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| 09:24 | [ ! -f /etc/rc.local ] || sed ...
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| 09:25 | <alkisg> Eric4: if rc.local doesn't exist, that means that the RCFILE_xx lts.conf directives no longer work
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| 09:25 | So, silencing the warning just hides the real problem
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| 09:26 | File a bug report against ltsp, so that we fix it properly and RCFILE_xx works again in debian 9 or other systemd-based distributions
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| 09:26 | !ltsp-bug
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| 09:26 | <ltsp`> ltsp-bug: To file a bug report for upstream LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp
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| 09:26 | <bcg> with systemd rc.local usually doesn't exist, but is run if you create it.
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| 09:26 | <alkisg> I think we should make systemd units for ltsp at this point
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| 09:26 | <Eric4> Ok i will fill a bug :-) my modest contribution to ltsp ;-)
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| 09:27 | <bcg> alkisg: that's in my todo list. :-)
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| 09:27 | <alkisg> And properly handle client "events"... rc* events (==booted), if-up events etc
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| 09:31 | <alkisg> bcg: I think you should arrange some way for other users to test your ltsp commits, so that we quickly upgrade you to "ltsp-developer" status, and you start committing directly upstream...
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| 09:31 | About the packaging, I talked with vagrantc and he doesn't object if it's in a separate branch
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| 09:33 | <bcg> I'll create test rpms for other users after my holiday.
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| 09:33 | <alkisg> Cool. I might be able to test too...
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| 09:33 | <bcg> I already have them, but I didn't want to create separate rhel-packaging repo from them.
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| 09:34 | <alkisg> In a month or so I'll have committed a lot of changes in ltsp, and I'd like to test the results in different systemd-based distros as well
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| 09:35 | <alkisg> It might be a good time there to ship a new ltsp release, with rhel support included
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| 09:46 | <bcg> Having packaging files in separate branch is quite strange. How can you create a tarball release including those files?
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| 09:48 | <alkisg> Suppose that someone wants to package ltsp for some rare distro. And he does produce a few packages and disappears after 1 month
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| 09:48 | Why should that appear in ltsp's git history?
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| 09:48 | Gathering the source from 2 git trees shouldn't be an issue...
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| 09:49 | Either with a script, or manually...
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| 09:50 | Also I think that the tarball traditionally doesn't include the packaging, that comes in a separate file
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| 09:50 | <bcg> In that case separate repos is better than branches.
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> Yes sorry I'm used to bazaar terminology, I meant repositories there
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| 09:51 | <bcg> some tarballs include packaging data in packaging/ or doc/ subdirs. That is not directly usable in debian, but at least it includes all needed files.
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| 09:52 | <alkisg> I think the major point is to have most code upstream and not in if-up scripts or systemd units
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| 09:53 | That way, we can update the code in a single commit when we change something
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| 09:53 | If the packaging doesn't contain much code, I don't care much about its "history" or keeping it to the same tree...
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| 09:54 | appstream data and systemd units can also go upstream, probably
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| 09:54 | since they'll be common to many distros
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| 09:55 | <bcg> Packaging contains curretly missing "make install" workflow.
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| 09:55 | When you add systemd service files "make install" changes.
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| 09:56 | <alkisg> make install is a separate thing from packaging, it doesn't respect the package management...
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| 09:57 | <bcg> running "make install DESTDIR=..." is usually part of rhel-packaging.
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| 09:58 | <alkisg> For projects using shell or python?
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| 09:58 | <bcg> all
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| 09:58 | c, python, shell, ...
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| 09:58 | <alkisg> So we're supposed to have a makefile that would arrange what to put and where?
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| 09:59 | <bcg> yes.
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| 09:59 | <alkisg> And where would it put if-up scripts or systemd units?
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| 10:00 | or man pages, or application .desktop files etc?
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| 10:00 | <bcg> For that you usually have configure.
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| 10:01 | Or "make install" parameters.
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| 10:01 | and/or
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| 10:01 | or packaging/YOUR_DISTRO/config file to be included in "make install"
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| 10:02 | <alkisg> For example, debian has debian/script.if-up
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| 10:02 | or debian/project.manpages
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| 10:03 | If we do that from `make install` instead, then we bypass debhelper
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| 10:03 | I'm not sure that that would help...
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| 10:04 | E.g. for debian/project.gconf-defaults, we'd have to manually put postinst calls to update gconf database
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| 10:04 | So we'd end up with more code, and we'd have to test it on each new gconf etc version...
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| 10:07 | I think I'd feel best if: code that is contained in debhelper, isn't duplicated in ltsp-upstream
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| 10:12 | <bcg> Urgh... I rather have separate git repositories (rhel-packaging? packaging-rhel? ltsp-rhel-packaging?) than branches in ltsp repo for packaging. So let's continue old way with repos?
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| 10:12 | <alkisg> branches in ltsp repo => noone proposed that
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| 10:12 | It's just that branch in bzr is the same as repository in git
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| 10:13 | So I was proposing "different git repositories"
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| 10:13 | They can just live under ltsp-upstream, so that new maintainers can keep up where the old maintainers left...
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| 10:15 | <alkisg> Although I suppose they can be owned by the packagers instead of ltsp-upstream.... and the new maintainer can just fork the old one and mark it as abandoned...
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| 10:16 | ltsp-rhel-packaging sounds fine
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| 10:16 | We have ltsp-debian-packaging, ldm-debian-packaging etc
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| 10:39 | <bcg> oh, then we all agree: different git repositories under ltsp-upstream.
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| 10:39 | ltsp-rhel-packaging it is then.
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| 10:40 | Sorry for delay. I'm also packaging [eh] my luggages. Leaving tomorrow for Japan for two weeks.
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| 10:42 | Where is ltsp-debian-packaging btw? not in https://code.launchpad.net/ltsp.
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> vagrantc keeps it in https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/ltsp.git/
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| 10:47 | He's thinking of putting it to launchpad instead
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| 10:47 | I keep a personal copy of it in https://code.launchpad.net/~alkisg/+git/ltsp-debian
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| 10:48 | So that I can automatically build the latest ltsp...
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| 10:49 | <bcg> So it's basically a fork of ltsp-upstream with added /debian dir...
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| 10:50 | for rhel I plan to include only README and ltsp.spec files. README tells you how to create tarball from upstream repo with specific commit id.
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| 10:51 | then you do "rpmbuild -ba ltsp.spec" and that's it.
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| 10:51 | maybe that readme will be included to spec file as comments.
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| 10:54 | That will match Fedora's fedpkg-workflow too.
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| 15:54 | <alkisg> bcg: and where do you keep the systemd units or if-up scripts etc? They can't all fit into a .spec file...
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| 16:16 | <bcg> systemd units are common and belong to ltsp repo, right?
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| 16:17 | <alkisg> Sure; but isn't there anything rhel specific there?
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| 16:17 | <bcg> warren togami has put all config etc files to ltsp repo.
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| 16:18 | <alkisg> There's altlinux unmaintained code there as well :)
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| 16:18 | <bcg> and fedora and k12linux
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| 16:18 | <alkisg> Yes; it's hard for others to remove what they don't have a clue about
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| 16:19 | It's one reason to keep the packaging separate...
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| 16:19 | <bcg> rhel7 and fedora 25/26 are quite close so they could be merged.
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| 16:19 | <alkisg> I don't mind either way; but I do see vagrantc's point
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| 16:22 | <bcg> ltsp's server/Redhat/configs/ dir has most rhel-specific parts.
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| 16:22 | most made by warren, i've just deleted old ones and updated some.
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| 16:26 | <alkisg> Nice
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| 16:26 | * alkisg waves to vagrantc | |
| 16:32 | * vagrantc waves | |
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| 19:09 | <highvoltage> ecdsa
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| 19:24 | <bcg> ed25519
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| 20:29 | <vagrantc> alkisg: what was that major disk slowdown issue with i386-pae ? seem to be having a similar issue with i386 builders for tests.reproducible-builds.org
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| 20:29 | alkisg: i seem to recall you had found a viable workaround?
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| 20:29 | although a bit dangerous
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