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Channel log from 17 November 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:46 | <lupine_85> odd. My ltsp client is getting "nc: invalid option -- 'f'"
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| 04:47 | anyone sxeen this before?
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| 04:49 | <Appiah> when?
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| 04:49 | <lupine_85> on boot - it appears on the VT that X should be on
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| 04:50 | <Appiah> never seen
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| 04:50 | <lupine_85> If I run /etc/init.d/ltsp-cliuent-core manually, I get: [ 217.934362] nbd9: unknown partition table
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| 04:50 | and a few other bits
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| 06:14 | <alkisg> !flash
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| 06:14 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "flash" is Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try the HQtube plugin. Install greasemonkey for firefox, and see http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24999
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| 07:28 | <isojussi> i have problem to login, 9.10 and ltsp5. some users can login, some can't. those get this error No response from server. Restarting.
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| 07:29 | tried to update ssh keys and image
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| 07:33 | <alkisg> isojussi: in lts.conf, put SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm. Reboot a client, press alt+ctrl+f2, and do: ssh username@server. Change username with a problematic user, and leave server as it is.
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| 07:37 | <isojussi> if make new user account, that user cannot login either
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| 07:38 | <alkisg> Ok, try what I said...
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| 07:41 | <isojussi> i can login from shell, but when login from ldm, i get that errir
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| 07:41 | error
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> isojussi: that's a LOCAL shell
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| 07:42 | It's the same that ldm does
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> Please do it the way I said it...
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| 07:42 | From the same local shell, you'll also be able to see the ldm log
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| 07:44 | <isojussi> in shell, ssh to server works with username that cannot login in ldm
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| 07:44 | <alkisg> isojussi: there's a big difference "in shell" and "in a LOCAL shell"
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| 07:45 | Are you in the local shell, with ctrl+alt+f2? If you're not, I can't help you.
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| 07:45 | <isojussi> yes
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| 07:45 | <alkisg> OK, what do you see in /var/log/ldm.log ?
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| 07:48 | <isojussi> no susch file in /var/log/
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| 07:48 | such
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| 07:49 | <alkisg> Then you didn't do what I told you
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| 07:49 | You're not in a LOCAL shell
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| 07:49 | Did you change lts.conf ?
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| 07:50 | <isojussi> http://pastebin.com/mbfcd63f
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| 07:50 | lts.conf
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| 07:57 | <isojussi> any missing items in my lts.conf?
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| 08:01 | <isojussi> when i change to shell i see this text root@ltsp15:/#, is that correct?
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| 08:02 | <Appiah> sounds correct
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| 08:05 | <isojussi> somehow some users cannot login in ldm, when i try to ssh -l username server.ip in that shell, it works.
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| 08:07 | <alkisg> don't use the server ip
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| 08:07 | use the word "server"
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| 08:07 | and see for any warnings, or in ldm.log
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| 08:08 | * alkisg will be back later... | |
| 08:08 | * Gadi wonders if those users have a weird default shell like tcsh | |
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| 08:12 | <isojussi> changed server ip to word server, i can login with username that does not work in ldm
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| 08:13 | <moldy> hi
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| 08:16 | http://nubae.com/ltsp-linux-terminal-server-project-netbooted-fat-client-for-ubuntu-hardy-and-intrepid is that still the up-to-date documentation?
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| 08:24 | <moldy> nubae: hey :)
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| 08:26 | <nubae> hi moldy
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| 08:26 | its not really necessary amymore, since its been integrated in karmic
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| 08:27 | <isojussi> KK-LTSP sshd[18590]: Accepted password for isojussi from 192.168.0.15 port 58711 ssh2
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| 08:27 | Nov 17 16:22:45 KK-LTSP sshd[18590]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user isojussi by (uid=0)
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| 08:27 | Nov 17 16:22:59 KK-LTSP sshd[18719]: subsystem request for sftp
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| 08:27 | <nubae> the script should work ok in jaunty and intrepi though
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| 08:28 | <moldy> nubae: that sounds interesting... can you point me at some documentation about the integration?
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| 08:28 | my server is running jaunty right now, i could probably upgrade, though
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| 08:30 | <isojussi> i see that password is accepted but somehow it comes back to login screen
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| 08:31 | <Gadi> isojussi: two things to check: the user's default shell, and his ~/.xsession-errors file
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| 08:35 | <isojussi> http://pastebin.com/m642bd05a
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| 08:35 | .xsession_errors file for that user
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| 08:36 | which cannot login
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| 08:39 | how i can check which is that user's default shell?
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| 08:39 | <Gadi> isojussi: do you have any lock files like: /tmp/.X11-lock
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| 08:39 | on the server
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| 08:41 | ssh is trying to open display 11 for that user, but it cannot - perhaps display 11 is already open or locked by something else: VNC? freenx?
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| 08:41 | or something stale that didnt die properly
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| 08:49 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: Missed you last night, saw your ping after you left. What's up?
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| 08:50 | <Gadi> shawnp0wers: got it working
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| 08:50 | <shawnp0wers> awesome!
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| 08:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning all
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| 08:50 | <Gadi> let me get you a new ltsp-localapps and ltsp-localappsd
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| 08:51 | <shawnp0wers> Thanks Gadi -- are we looking at an installable package (in repositories) or something more copy/paste-y. :)
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| 08:51 | Morning _UsUrPeR_ :)
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| 08:51 | <Gadi> well, I pushed it upstream, so it will make it into some future package
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| 08:51 | but, for now, cuty-pasty
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| 08:51 | ;)
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| 08:52 | <shawnp0wers> hehehe -- I'm OK with that. :)
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| 08:53 | <Gadi> shawnp0wers: ltsp-localapps: http://paste.ubuntu.com/320852/
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| 08:54 | shawnp0wers: ltsp-localappsd: http://paste.ubuntu.com/320854/
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| 08:54 | enjoy
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| 08:54 | <Appiah> Anyone running multiply ltsp servers and manages these with some kind of tool
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| 08:55 | <shawnp0wers> Thanks a ton, I appreciate it. :)
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| 08:55 | <Appiah> GUI not cli that is
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| 08:55 | I know ssh works all the time :)
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| 08:55 | <valvoja> reason found!!! only root had privileges to read/write .Xauthority file in /home/user
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| 09:00 | <Gadi> shawnp0wers: I suppose at some point we should file a bug and close it, so it is recorded
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| 09:02 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: Not sure where to do that -- but I *just* verified it works great. Thanks a TON for the work.
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| 09:54 | <shawnp0wers> Anyone know how/where file associations for localapps occur?
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| 09:55 | Some video files open with my local-only installed gnome-mplayer
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| 09:55 | but others (.mp4, .mv4) complain nothing is installed to play such files
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| 09:55 | I removed totem from both server and chroot environtment
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| 09:55 | (also, running LTSP5 on Ubuntu 9.10)
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| 09:56 | <johnny> guessing that you don't have those codecs installed locally?
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| 09:56 | <shawnp0wers> Well no, but gnome-mplayer doesn't need them
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| 09:56 | <johnny> sure it does
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| 09:56 | it still needs codecs that aren't shipped with mplayer
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| 09:57 | <shawnp0wers> so you're suggesting if I install gnome-mplayer on the server, the file associations will work
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| 09:57 | <johnny> no
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| 09:57 | <shawnp0wers> but then will call the local app instead of the server app?
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| 09:57 | gnome-mplayer with file-open plays the files just fine
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| 09:57 | <johnny> i'm suggesting that you make sure all required codecs are installed locally
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| 09:57 | <shawnp0wers> it's just the file association isn't working
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| 09:57 | yes, it's not a codec issue
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| 09:57 | <johnny> if all the file associations on the server say gnome-mplayer can open em
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| 09:57 | <shawnp0wers> it's a nautilus issue
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| 09:58 | <johnny> and your desktop file is mapped to say use that app
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| 09:58 | <shawnp0wers> that's what I'm asking. :)
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| 09:58 | I'm not sure where that magic occurs
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| 09:58 | <johnny> standard stuff.. shared-mime-info + desktop files
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| 09:58 | <shawnp0wers> video.mov files automatically launch the locally installed gnome-mplayer
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| 09:58 | but I can't figure out why
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| 09:58 | <johnny> because you told it to :)
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| 09:59 | <shawnp0wers> lol -- but I can't figure out WHERE
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| 09:59 | <johnny> you said that gnome-mplayer desktop file actually loads the local one
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| 09:59 | lts.conf
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| 09:59 | LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS
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| 09:59 | <shawnp0wers> right right, but I mean the server-running nautilus
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| 09:59 | <johnny> what's the difference :)
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| 09:59 | right click on some file
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| 09:59 | <shawnp0wers> right, I could do that -- I need to do it globally
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| 09:59 | <johnny> and check the properties, make sure gnome-mplaeyr can play it
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| 09:59 | <shawnp0wers> for all my users
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| 10:00 | so the default is to use gnome-mplayer
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| 10:00 | and I"m not sure where that default is stored
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| 10:00 | I'm not sure I could do it even if LTSP were out of the picture
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| 10:00 | there seems to be multiple locations
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| 10:01 | <johnny> vi /usr/share/applications/gnome-mplayer ?
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| 10:01 | <shawnp0wers> and I'm notsure what really "does it"
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| 10:01 | <johnny> my totem has MimeTypes=LONGLIST
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| 10:01 | <shawnp0wers> but I don't have that file, because gnome-mplayer isnt' installed on my server, only as a localapp
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| 10:02 | <johnny> well. first try editing the local one
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| 10:02 | and rebuild your chroot
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| 10:02 | just to see if that's it
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| 10:02 | you might need to have it installed on the server too tho.. not srue
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| 10:02 | <shawnp0wers> does the thin client pull mime info from the chroot environment?
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| 10:02 | ok -- see that's what is strange, gnome-mplayer opens by default for most video already
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| 10:03 | so perhaps it IS pulling from chroot
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| 10:03 | I'll try that
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| 10:03 | <johnny> sure.. for what is listed
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| 10:03 | see if that is the case
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| 10:03 | /me would never use mplayer unless forced
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| 10:03 | <shawnp0wers> (lol, yeah -- can't figure out where it's listed -- I'll try in the chroot)
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| 10:03 | ?
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| 10:03 | <johnny> i'll prefer to stick with gstreamer apps whenever possible
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| 10:03 | <shawnp0wers> totem works for crap for me
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| 10:03 | can I install all the gstreamer stuff as a local app?
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| 10:03 | <johnny> perhaps you need to adjust the output
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| 10:03 | totem is a gstreamer app
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| 10:03 | <shawnp0wers> I thought it requried some gnome stuff that doesn't work as a localapp
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| 10:03 | <johnny> hmm.. never tried
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| 10:04 | <alkisg> gconf
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| 10:04 | <shawnp0wers> like, you can't isntall ubuntu-restricted-extras in chroot
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| 10:04 | <johnny> stick with what you know works for now i guess
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| 10:04 | <shawnp0wers> because -- yes
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| 10:04 | gconf
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| 10:04 | <johnny> luckily gconf is going away
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| 10:04 | <shawnp0wers> alkisg: is there a better way than trying to get gnome-mplayer to work?
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| 10:04 | <johnny> gsettings/dconf ftw
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| 10:04 | <alkisg> johnny: what???!!!
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| 10:04 | shawnp0wers: didn't look at the logs, but if you're talking about a localapps player, I used mplayer and vlc
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| 10:05 | <johnny> alkisg, read about gsettings sometime.. and how it will be exposed over dconf :)
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| 10:05 | shawnp0wers, did you look at the mimetypes in there yet?
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| 10:05 | <shawnp0wers> alkisg: Ok, I'm just trying to get mplayer to be the default for mp4 files launched in nautilus
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| 10:05 | not yet, been typing here
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| 10:05 | lol
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| 10:05 | brb
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| 10:06 | johnny: ok, mp4 is listed already, but it won't open as default
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| 10:06 | perhaps I should install gnome-mplayer on the server too
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| 10:06 | <elias_a_> shawnp0wers: What magic you can do, man!!!
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| 10:06 | <shawnp0wers> it *should* open the localapp if I list it specifically in lts.conf
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| 10:07 | elias_a_: ?
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| 10:07 | <johnny> it should only do that.. IF the app says it can handle mp4 :)
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| 10:07 | <elias_a_> shawnp0wers: you're a real wizard! ;-)
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| 10:07 | <johnny> shawnp0wers, does it open the local app if you use Open With?
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| 10:07 | and force gnome-mplayer
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| 10:07 | <shawnp0wers> only if I force "ltsp-localapps gnome-mplayer"
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| 10:07 | <alkisg> shawnp0wers: I think that's a line in the .desktop file
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| 10:07 | <johnny> did you try OpenWith ?
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| 10:08 | alkisg, you didn't know about gconf?
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| 10:08 | <alkisg> It tells gnome/nautilus etc that it can open the specific mime
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| 10:08 | johnny: nope! I'll look it up later on
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| 10:08 | <johnny> yay for standards :)
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| 10:08 | alkisg, !
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| 10:08 | <alkisg> So, both KDE and gnome will have the same settings daemon?
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| 10:08 | <johnny> i don't know about that
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| 10:09 | did i say that?
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| 10:09 | i don't know what kde will use
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| 10:09 | i was referring to mime at the time
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| 10:09 | <elias_a_> shawnp0wers: http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-40
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| 10:09 | <johnny> and desktop files
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| 10:09 | <elias_a_> fixed!!!
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| 10:09 | <alkisg> no, you said about "standards" so I supposed it was more "standard" than gconf :)
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| 10:09 | <shawnp0wers> is the 10.1 beta out _elias_a_ ?
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| 10:09 | <elias_a_> "We're all crying with joy. Collecting flowers to send. And chocolate. Steaks. You name it. Incredible, unbelievable, fantastic. I'm out of words. This has been a hard almost two years. The web will open up, and in a flash (pun intended) hundred thousands of new, cool websites appear from the dark void! Sites which WORK. Just work. They show what I type. No, really, I mean it, not mixed up unicode raw junk, but the real letters."
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| 10:09 | <johnny> elias_a_, you can't even view the ticket without a login.. lame!
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| 10:09 | <alkisg> elias_a_: yeah, I tried it this morning, excellent! :)
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| 10:09 | <elias_a_> shawnp0wers: Dunno.
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| 10:09 | <shawnp0wers> hehehe -- awesome. :)
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| 10:10 | <johnny> chocolate steaks elias_a_ ? :)
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| 10:10 | <elias_a_> If we could do the same with the video prob that would be great...
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| 10:10 | <johnny> yeah.. for real
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| 10:10 | <elias_a_> johnny: Not my text - just a quote :)
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| 10:11 | <johnny> i had a chocolate covered apple the other day..
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| 10:11 | not as good as a chocolate covered banana or strawberry tho :(
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| 10:11 | <elias_a_> strawberries are excellent covered ...
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| 10:11 | johnny: I am slow.
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| 10:11 | You stole my words.
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| 10:11 | :)
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| 10:12 | <johnny> mmm.. coffee
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| 10:14 | <alkisg> johnny: http://live.gnome.org/dconf ==> I think it has the same design as the windows registry...
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| 10:14 | (me ducks :P :D)
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| 10:15 | <squarepeg> mmm...Coke
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| 10:17 | <Brian_H> mmm... diet coke
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| 10:17 | <johnny> alkisg, important points..
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| 10:17 | The service is completely stateless and can come and go as it pleases. The list of change notifications that an individual client is interested in is maintained by the bus daemon (as a dbus signal watch/match list).
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| 10:17 | and Note: Most applications will not want to interface directly with dconf, but rather with GSettings.
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| 10:18 | and this is important for apps like sabayon
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| 10:18 | "Stacking of multiple configuration sources is supported. Mandatory keys are supported. "
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| 10:18 | the mandatory keys part
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| 10:19 | <johnny> alkisg, the important thing is really gsettings tho alkisg
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| 10:19 | means people can work with windows in a sane way too
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| 10:19 | <alkisg> Yeah I think the main difference is speed
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| 10:19 | <johnny> and we won't have to rely on gconf on the client
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| 10:19 | <alkisg> But relying on dbus is the same as gconf
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| 10:19 | <johnny> we can point the gsettings stuff anywhere.. and not require dconf
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| 10:19 | alkisg, luckily dbus is basically requried for the ltsp chroot anyways
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| 10:20 | alkisg, your apps only have to rely on gsettings, which is part of glib
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| 10:20 | the backend can be dconf.. or even just some flat list
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| 10:20 | <alkisg> Sure, but it doesn't communicate with the server dbus, so it can't "see" server dconf settings, right?
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| 10:20 | So it's the same problem like gconf has now
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| 10:20 | <johnny> alkisg, it'll be easier to hack up
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| 10:20 | much easier..
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| 10:21 | * shawnp0wers is kerfluffled with mimetypes and application defaults | |
| 10:21 | <johnny> /me gets torrent of fedora12
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| 10:21 | <alkisg> johnny: heard anything about when will distros (or gnome) use it instead of gconf?
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| 10:21 | <johnny> alkisg, not yet
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| 10:21 | the important thing is gsettings really tho
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| 10:22 | apps are going to start using that sooner rather than later
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> Also, I didn't see anything about shell support, I hope reader/writer utilities exist...
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| 10:33 | <shawnp0wers> Anyone who understands localapps really well -- how does the setting in lts.conf actually intercept calls to applications?
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| 10:33 | do .desktop files get added soemwhere for localapps?
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> shawnp0wers: yes
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| 10:36 | to a /tmp dir on the server
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| 10:36 | to know which one, open a terminal and type: env|grep XDG
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| 10:36 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: huh... how are they created, and when?
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> they are created on login from the .desktop files in the chroot
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| 10:37 | specifically in $chroot/usr/share/applications/
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| 10:37 | xdg allows for menu overrides
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| 10:37 | <shawnp0wers> ok -- I'm not sure why, but I'm having problems with .mp4 and .m4v files...
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| 10:37 | it's very strange
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| 10:38 | <Gadi> did you edit the mimetypes in the /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/applications/gnome-mplayer.desktop?
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| 10:40 | <Gadi> also check your user's: ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
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| 10:40 | anything in a user's ~/.local takes precedence over even our /tmp dir stuff
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| 10:41 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: Well, mp4 files are already listed in there
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| 10:41 | <Gadi> in which one?
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| 10:41 | <shawnp0wers> in the /opt/ltsp/..... gnome-mplayer.desktop files
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| 10:42 | /usr/share/applications
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| 10:42 | :)
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| 10:42 | I fear I've messed up enough of the files tracking down what is going wrong will be rough
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| 10:42 | <Gadi> and how about ~/.local
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| 10:42 | <shawnp0wers> No, I havne' t done that, because I want it to be global
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| 10:42 | so my users can just double-click on a file...
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> right, but just check what is there
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| 10:43 | bec it will override any global setting
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| 10:43 | <shawnp0wers> I'll have to set up another thin client, they'r eall full of students right now...
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> which may explain why you cannot get it working
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| 10:43 | <shawnp0wers> (A good problem to have, lol)
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| 10:43 | oh, I gotcha
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> well, you can check it from the server
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| 10:43 | just check the contents
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| 10:44 | for the user you were trying to get going
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| 10:44 | <Gadi> basically, user settings override system settings
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| 10:44 | <shawnp0wers> I do have a bunch of stuff there...
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| 10:44 | userapp-ltsp-localapps-RANDOMELETTERS.desktop
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| 10:44 | <Gadi> so, if you ever associated the file before, it may have that association in your user settings
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| 10:45 | ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
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| 10:45 | look there
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| 10:45 | <shawnp0wers> yes -- I have crap there. :)
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| 10:45 | <Gadi> mp4 crap?
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| 10:45 | <shawnp0wers> mentioning vlc, which isn't even installed. ;)
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| 10:45 | <Gadi> ah, so delete that line
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| 10:45 | and let the system take control
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| 10:46 | :)
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| 10:46 | <shawnp0wers> ok, I'll try that -- I'll let you know what I find. Thanks. :)
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| 10:46 | <Gadi> np
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| 11:28 | <zamba> is a PIII enough for running a TC
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| 11:28 | ?
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| 11:28 | clocking around 1 GHz
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| 11:28 | 128 MB RAM
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| 11:28 | <johnny> sure
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| 11:28 | <zamba> well.. not working very good here
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| 11:28 | <johnny> 128 means you can't run local apps much..
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| 11:28 | <zamba> very sluggish
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| 11:29 | <johnny> probably related to network or video drivers then
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| 11:29 | did you set LDM_DIRECTX=Y ?
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| 11:29 | <zamba> how can i check the video drivers?
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| 11:29 | yup
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| 11:38 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: gnome-mplayer supports the MimeType, but Nautilus on the thin client seems to think it doesn't...
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| 11:39 | Also, m4v files are recognized by nautilus as video/mp4 -- but it doesn't think there is an application installed to open it...
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| 11:40 | <shawnp0wers> my XDG_DATA_DIRS environment variable is correctly mapped to /tmp/ltsp-localapps-spowers-blahblah/
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| 11:41 | <Gadi> shawnp0wers: try deleting ~/.local/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
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| 11:42 | <shawnp0wers> I deleted the entire .local folder before logging in...
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| 11:42 | and the ~/.local/share/applications folder doesn't exist now
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| 11:42 | just ~/.local/share/gvfs-metadata
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> shawnp0wers: grep mp4 /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
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| 11:45 | <shawnp0wers> nothing
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| 11:45 | <Gadi> hmm... and did you logout/login after you made changes?
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| 11:45 | <shawnp0wers> yes
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| 11:46 | perhaps gnome-mplayer needs to be installed on the server too?
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| 11:46 | I only have it in chroot to make sure it's starting locally
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| 11:46 | <Gadi> you can try
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| 11:46 | go for it
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| 11:46 | <johnny> the ps list would tell you it is started locally right?
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| 11:48 | <shawnp0wers> Hmm..
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| 11:49 | Gadi: Well, now gnome mplayer starts, but doesn't play anything
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| 11:49 | ie, double clicking on file.mp4 will launch gnome-mplayer, but not playing the file
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| 11:49 | Also, not sure how to tell if it's running as a local app or not
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| 11:50 | Gadi: If I select "file open" and choose a file, it plays.
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| 11:50 | (again, not sure if it's local or not, johnny, what would I look for specifically in ps?)
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| 11:50 | <Gadi> usually the title bar will say "Gnome Mplayer on hostname"
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| 11:50 | or some such
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| 11:51 | <johnny> Gadi, shouldn't the entry in ps show that it was started with ltsp-localapps ?
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| 11:51 | <shawnp0wers> Hmm, it just says Gnome MPlayer
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| 11:51 | <Gadi> johnny: no
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| 11:51 | <johnny> or does it just not show up ?
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| 11:51 | on the remote side
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| 11:51 | <Gadi> ltsp-localapps just sets a string
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| 11:51 | <johnny> well then it won't show up at all then?
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| 11:51 | on the server
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| 11:51 | <Gadi> right
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| 11:52 | ps -efw|grep gnome-mplayer on the server should result in no processes
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| 11:52 | <johnny> shawnp0wers, that's how you know..
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| 11:53 | if it doesn't show up in server ps list.. then it's running locally
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| 11:53 | <shawnp0wers> I got a long string, but it looks like just the grep command itself
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| 11:53 | so it appears to be running locally
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| 11:53 | <Gadi> it should change the titlebar to say "on hostname"
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| 11:53 | if it is a localapp
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| 11:53 | (usually)
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| 11:53 | :)
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| 11:53 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: It didn't change the titlebar, but if I check on the local computer it's running
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| 11:54 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 11:54 | <shawnp0wers> ie, ltsp-localapps xterm, then run ps aux | grep gnome-mplayer
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| 11:54 | <Gadi> thats good, at least
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| 11:54 | <shawnp0wers> I wonder if this is related to the new ltspapps and ltspappsd
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| 11:54 | which, I bet I didn't back up... O.o
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| 11:54 | <johnny> shawnp0wers, in local apps xterm it should show there
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| 11:54 | <johnny> oh ok
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| 11:54 | <shawnp0wers> johnny yeah
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| 11:54 | :)
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| 11:55 | <Gadi> shawnp0wers: do other file formats work still?
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| 11:55 | oh, also, is the file in your home dir?
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| 11:55 | <shawnp0wers> whoa... now ogv complains of no codec...
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| 11:55 | <Gadi> keep in mind, the thin client can only se files in the homedir and below
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| 11:55 | <shawnp0wers> and opens in mplayer, not gnome-mplayer
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| 11:55 | oy
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| 11:56 | <Gadi> try removing gnome-mplayer ;)
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| 11:56 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: Yes, it's on my desktop
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| 11:56 | from the server?
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| 11:56 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 11:57 | it was working before you installed it
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| 11:57 | for ogv
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| 11:57 | <shawnp0wers> Not after I deleted whatever junk I had in .local
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| 11:57 | and now, it won't open again
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| 11:57 | * shawnp0wers considers buy all the students flip books | |
| 11:57 | <shawnp0wers> lol
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| 11:59 | <Gadi> well, you can always verify ltsp-localapps itself by running: ltsp-localapps gnome-mplayer <filename>
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| 12:00 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: Yes, that opens the file just fine
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| 12:00 | no codec errors either
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| 12:01 | (and the files have spaces in their names. :)
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| 12:01 | hold on, I may not have logged out/in when installing gnome-mplayer on server
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| 12:01 | let me try that...
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| 12:03 | ok, more info...
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| 12:03 | install gnome-mplayer on the server allows nautilus to start the application
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| 12:03 | removing mplayer from the server gets rid of the codec error
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| 12:03 | BUT
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| 12:03 | Gnome Mplayer still starts without playing the file
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| 12:04 | evnethough it's running as a local app
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| 12:04 | and running ltsp-localapps gnome-mplayer filename.mp4 plays it just fine
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| 12:05 | <Gadi> is that true for both filetypes (mp4 and ogv)
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| 12:05 | <shawnp0wers> yes
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| 12:06 | <Gadi> oh, wait a minute....
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| 12:06 | can you pastebot the contents of the gnome-mplayer.desktop file in your /tmp directory?
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| 12:06 | * Gadi thinks he sees what is going on... | |
| 12:06 | <Gadi> (maybe)
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| 12:07 | shawnp0wers: I think you are going to win the Local Apps tester award
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| 12:07 | :D
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| 12:08 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: :D -- getting the file now, hang on
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| 12:09 | Gadi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/320978/
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| 12:10 | <Gadi> there we have it, ladies and gentelmen
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| 12:10 | <shawnp0wers> oh?
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| 12:11 | <Gadi> so, I can give you a quick fix, if you like
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| 12:11 | <shawnp0wers> Yes, and I'm curious what you found...
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| 12:11 | <Gadi> well, you ready for a bit of a story?
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| 12:11 | :)
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| 12:11 | <shawnp0wers> Actually, yes. :)
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| 12:11 | * shawnp0wers loves a bit of background | |
| 12:11 | <Gadi> ok, so here's the deal
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| 12:12 | from a design point of view, we really liked the idea that our localapps approach requires no special server-side software
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| 12:12 | that is, it uses ssh and X
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| 12:12 | and thats it
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| 12:12 | and your ldm session needs those bits anyway
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| 12:13 | so, even if you set ldm to connect to some random distro
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| 12:13 | as long as it has ssh and X, you are good to go
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| 12:13 | no special server side software required
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| 12:13 | not for a session and not even for local apps
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| 12:13 | which makes things kinda cool
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| 12:14 | so, when we generate the .desktop file to override the menu options
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| 12:14 | instead of changing "gnome-mplayer" to "ltsp-localapps gnome-mplayer", which requires ltsp-localapps to be a binary on the server....
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| 12:15 | we do what ltsp-localapps does, which is call "xprop .... gnome-mplayer" to set the Xatom
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| 12:15 | (xprop is assumed to be installed along with X on most systems)
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| 12:15 | very cool and very clean
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| 12:15 | .... unless, you want to pass your .desktop file an argument
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| 12:15 | ;)
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| 12:15 | <shawnp0wers> agreed, so far I've been amazed at the elegance
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| 12:16 | (heheheh, oops)
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> because the string that we want to tell xprop to set has to include that argument
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> it cannot be "set this string" argument
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| 12:17 | it has to be: set this "string argument"
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| 12:17 | <shawnp0wers> OH, so the exec command must include it
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> exactly
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| 12:17 | now, I believe the xdg standard allows for a %s or some such
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| 12:17 | <shawnp0wers> and what makes those .desktop files during login?
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| 12:17 | (in the /tmp directory)
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> but, as a quickfix, we can have ltsp-genmenu use ltsp-localapps
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| 12:18 | ah.. that would be ltsp-genmenu
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| 12:18 | a little script in the chroot
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| 12:18 | prolly in /usr/share/ltsp
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| 12:18 | <johnny> shawnp0wers, true elegance would be hiding the need for the command altogether
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> or /usr/bin/ltsp-genmenu
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| 12:18 | not sure where stgraber put it
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| 12:19 | <shawnp0wers> I found it
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| 12:19 | in /usr/bin
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| 12:19 | you were right
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> ah, good
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| 12:19 | <shawnp0wers> should I try to see if it will pass arguments?
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> so in that script, you will find a line that replaces Exec
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| 12:19 | <shawnp0wers> I dont' mind testing...
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| 12:19 | or is that more of a rewrite than somthing simple
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> sed -i -e 's/^TryExec=\(.*\)/TryExec=xprop/' -e 's/^Exec=\(.*\)/Exec
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| 12:20 | =xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "\1"/' ${local_desktop}
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| 12:20 | <nija_head> Anyone know where I can kind documentation on "ldm" like how to pass to variables and which it expects?
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| 12:20 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: Yes, I see that part
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| 12:20 | and thanks to vim, it's all in red
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| 12:20 | lol
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| 12:21 | <Gadi> shawnp0wers: well, copy that line and comment it out (so you can always revert easily)
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| 12:21 | then, on the uncommented copy, change:
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| 12:21 | xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "\1"/'
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| 12:21 | to:
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| 12:22 | ltsp-localapps \1/'
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| 12:22 | save it, update the image, reboot the client, and let it roll
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| 12:22 | <shawnp0wers> changing to the single quote and everything?
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> that /' at the end was part of the sed
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| 12:23 | drop the quotes around the \1
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| 12:23 | <shawnp0wers> Ok, just wanted to make sure
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| 12:24 | and yes, the single quote was there, (it was yellow, I missed it... LOL)
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> so, the final should look like:
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| 12:24 | sed -i -e 's/^TryExec=\(.*\)/TryExec=xprop/' -e 's/^Exec=\(.*\)/Exec=ltsp-localapps \1/' ${local_desktop}
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| 12:24 | <shawnp0wers> ok, that's what I have
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| 12:24 | updating image now...
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| 12:25 | <Gadi> as I say, you are an awesome tester
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| 12:25 | now, we should see what xdg has to say about arguments to desktop files...
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| 12:25 | :)
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| 12:25 | that way, we can keep our xprop line
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| 12:27 | <nija_head> Gadi I have a question.
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| 12:27 | <Gadi> ah... %f
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| 12:27 | nija_head: shoot
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| 12:28 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: All seems to be working
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| 12:28 | I'm assuming that %f was xdg arguments?
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| 12:28 | <Gadi> shawnp0wers: yeah. we might be able to do this:
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| 12:28 | sed -i -e 's/^TryExec=\(.*\)/TryExec=xprop/' -e 's/^Exec=\(.*\)/Exec=xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "\1 \"%f\""/' ${local_desktop}
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| 12:29 | shawnp0wers: if you fear no evil and want to try that one, too, that would make you the uber-tester
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| 12:29 | :)
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| 12:29 | <shawnp0wers> already rebuilding the image
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| 12:29 | :D
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| 12:30 | <nija_head> is it a popular practice to use the rdesktop functionality of ltsp? I made a little wrapper for the rdesktop process to handle xinit crashing everytime a user logs out or the winbloz server kills the rdp client.
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| 12:30 | just don't know if it's useful
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| 12:30 | to e/o else
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| 12:30 | <Gadi> nija_head: yeah, I have had that wrapper for years and just haven't pushed it upstream yet
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| 12:31 | <shawnp0wers> I'm not sure if it's related, but the "starting gnome-mplayer" item, along with the spinning cursor stays on screen for about 30 seconds before finally going away. It seems to have no adverse affect, but I thought I'd mention it
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| 12:31 | <nija_head> oh nice
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| 12:31 | <Gadi> it would be useful just so I dont need to walk people thru making wrappers
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| 12:31 | ;)
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| 12:31 | <nija_head> i mentioned it a while ago but did really ask if you had s/t
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| 12:31 | stupid of me
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| 12:31 | <Gadi> in answer to ur question, not enough people to care for rdesktop properly
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| 12:31 | :)
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| 12:32 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: HA! That works, BUT not for files with spaces. :D
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| 12:32 | <Gadi> shawnp0wers: it stays even after gnome mplayer is open?
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| 12:33 | shawnp0wers: did you put the \"%f\"
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| 12:33 | like that?
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| 12:33 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: Yes, but after about 20-30 seconds it goes away, no errors
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| 12:33 | I pasted whatever you typed...
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| 12:33 | * shawnp0wers looks at the file again | |
| 12:33 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 12:33 | I wonder if it escapes my escapes
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| 12:34 | <nija_head> i get it. well i'm kind of taking the switch to ltsp on a gradient as i've got like 1,200 windows users. enssentially what i pln to do is have the users boot off the network and have a scren which is linux and one which is winbloz. so freaked out users can use windows alone side linux.
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| 12:34 | <Gadi> can I ask you to try one more thing?
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| 12:34 | <shawnp0wers> Me? you bet
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| 12:34 | <Gadi> shawnp0wers: sed -i -e 's/^TryExec=\(.*\)/TryExec=xprop/' -e 's/^Exec=\(.*\)/Exec=xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "\1 \\"%f\\""/' ${local_desktop}
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| 12:34 | note the additional \'s
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| 12:35 | :)
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| 12:35 | <nija_head> but they' have access to both. anyhow, guess it's not too big of an item. thought i'd check with you.
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| 12:36 | <Gadi> nija_head: Im glad you did - I am very lazy about the rdesktop side of the house
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| 12:36 | :)
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| 12:36 | <nija_head> yes, i got that when i first asked about it. i don't blame you at all, def a waste of time.
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| 12:38 | we'll i just saved myself a couple hundred thousand. with this wrapper i don't has to waste money on crap from ibm and vmware. it's a whole thing.
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| 12:38 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: that broke it in a new way... :D It's trying to open file:///home/spowers/'/home/spowers/Desktop/file.mp4
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| 12:39 | although it does honor spaces now
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| 12:39 | just, puts that /home/user/'/ in front
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| 12:41 | <nija_head> Gadi sorry to disrupt you in the middle but can u point me to some documentation of the LDM? even if it's the source code. just trying to do some things and the stdout doesn't offer much
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| 12:41 | <Gadi> nija_head: well, the source code is in ldm-trunk on launchpad.net
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| 12:41 | and the docs are, well, the docs
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| 12:41 | !docs
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| 12:41 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 12:42 | <Gadi> such as they are
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| 12:42 | they are not geared towards under the hood stuff as much as admin/user stuff
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| 12:42 | for admin/user stuff they're great
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| 12:42 | feel free to ask in here for help along the way
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| 12:43 | <nija_head> Gadi ok grt. thanks v much. i'll let you know how it goes.
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| 12:43 | <Gadi> shawnp0wers: interesting
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| 12:44 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: A bit. :)
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| 12:45 | <Gadi> so, so far ltsp-localapps worked the best
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| 12:45 | ie, 100% as expected
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| 12:45 | <shawnp0wers> Correct
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| 12:45 | and the iteration before the last worked great, apart from files with spaces in the names
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| 12:45 | this iteration honors names with spaces, but adds that weird stuff at the beginning
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| 12:47 | <Gadi> which is weird, because %f should limit to just filenmaes as opposed to %u which would be a url
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| 12:48 | <shawnp0wers> I saw the file:/// problem with yesterday's work too, when ltsp-localapps wouldn't play files with spaces
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| 12:48 | <Gadi> oh, yeah?
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| 12:48 | oh
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| 12:48 | hmm...
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| 12:48 | its so crazy, it might just work...
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| 12:49 | actually, do this:
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| 12:49 | on your desktop, right click and create a launcher
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| 12:49 | <shawnp0wers> ok -- got the window up
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> make it type application, and for the command, put: xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "gnome-mplayer \"%f\""
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| 12:50 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 12:50 | * Gadi waves to jammcq | |
| 12:51 | <Gadi> shawnp0wers: still with me?
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| 12:51 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: Yes, still wtih you. launcher made
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| 12:52 | drag n drop?
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> cool, now drag the file with the spaces onto the desktop icon
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| 12:52 | <shawnp0wers> hmm... it's complaining of quotes, maybe I retyped it wrong
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| 12:52 | lemme check
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| 12:52 | and count quotes
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| 12:52 | lol
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| 12:53 | No, no typo...
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| 12:54 | the error says: There was an error launching the application. Details: Text ended before matching quote was found for ". (The text was 'xprop -root........
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| 12:54 | <Gadi> ok, try changing it to: 'gnome-mplayer "%f"'
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| 12:54 | let's see if it likes that better
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| 12:54 | <shawnp0wers> ok, no error, but nothing happened...
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| 12:55 | <Gadi> I meant changing the quoted part
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| 12:55 | (sorry)
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| 12:55 | <shawnp0wers> LOL
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| 12:55 | <Gadi> so it should read: xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND 'gnome-mplayer "%f"'
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| 12:56 | <shawnp0wers> ok,
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| 12:56 | it started, but did not honor the filename
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> ok, and finally
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| 12:56 | <shawnp0wers> instead of playing "file name.mp4"
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> :)
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| 12:56 | <shawnp0wers> it tried to play "name.mp4"
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND 'gnome-mplayer \"%f\"'
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| 12:56 | <shawnp0wers> and has the file:///home/spowers/Desktop/name.mp4" as the file
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| 12:57 | that's what I changed it to the first time
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| 12:57 | the single quotes for the outermost quotes?
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> right
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| 12:58 | <shawnp0wers> Oh wait, that's different
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| 12:58 | an...
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| 12:58 | now it is trying to play:
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| 12:58 | file:///home/spowers/"/home/spowers/Desktop/file
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| 13:01 | <Gadi> ok, so Im gonna have to play with this a bit
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| 13:01 | but, for now you can move ahead with ltsp-localapps
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| 13:01 | <shawnp0wers> Fair enough. Thanks again, again, again. :)
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| 13:02 | <Gadi> thank OU
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| 13:02 | *YOU
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| 13:33 | <Gadi> shawnp0wers: you know, we didnt try the obvious one
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| 13:34 | <shawnp0wers> Burnign to a DVD, and playing that?
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| 13:34 | :D
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "gnome-mplayer %f"
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| 13:35 | <shawnp0wers> Well now you're just being silly
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| 13:35 | * shawnp0wers hooks a thin client back up on his workbench | |
| 13:35 | <shawnp0wers> :)
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| 13:35 | <Gadi> lol
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| 13:36 | <shawnp0wers> L. O. L.
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| 13:36 | Yep, like a charm
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| 13:36 | spaces, no spaces, doesn't matter
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| 13:37 | <Gadi> lol
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| 13:37 | its always the last place you look, isnt it?
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| 13:37 | <shawnp0wers> that really is \'funn\y"
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| 13:37 | ;)
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> did you try it in the launcher or in the ltsp-genmenu?
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| 13:38 | <shawnp0wers> logging into server now
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| 13:38 | :)
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> sed -i -e 's/^TryExec=\(.*\)/TryExec=xprop/' -e 's/^Exec=\(.*\)/Exec=xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "\1 %f"/' ${local_desktop}
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| 13:40 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: Good you sent that, I would have bunged up the "\1 %f"/' bit
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| 13:40 | rebuilding image now
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| 13:42 | Gadi: ::virtual high five::
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| 13:42 | That did it.
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| 13:42 | And with success on the day, I'm off to the vet. (For the dog, not me... ruff)
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| 13:42 | Thanks again, so cool.
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> awesome, thx
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| 13:43 | pushing it upstream...
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| 15:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> Gadi: ping?
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| 15:16 | <Gadi> pong
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| 15:16 | _UsUrPeR_: pong
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| 15:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> Gadi: thx for the pong. No time. I'll talk to ya tomorrow
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| 15:55 | * Gadi looks forward and puts another beer in the fridge | |
| 15:55 | <Gadi> ;)
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| 15:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> working out of your home?
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| 15:57 | <Gadi> it was a metaphorical beer
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| 15:57 | ;)
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| 15:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> in that case, pass one over here. I'm thirsty
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| 15:57 | * Gadi passes _UsUrPeR_ one of his finest | |
| 15:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> la fin du monde. nice choice.
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| 15:58 | * _UsUrPeR_ is partial to unibrue | |
| 15:58 | <jammcq> putting beer in the fridge is going in the wrong direction
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| 15:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> uh oh. etyack is saving money by throwing the office circuit breaker @ 5:00.
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| 15:59 | <Gadi> jammcq has been sipping the Guiness Genuine Kool Aid
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| 15:59 | :)
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| 16:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> past 5:00 I have to ride a bike that charges a battery
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