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| 09:15 | <cajetanus> hello - is anyone online ? we have a problem +
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| 19:30 | <alkisg> vagrantc: hi there, will you have any time within the week to work with me on the ltsp packaging a bit? Add an ltsp-server-dnsmasq package, and sync as much as possible the ubuntu packaging with the debian packaging?
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| 19:30 | <alkisg> And, ship some files by default in the /etc/ltsp directory
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| 19:39 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'm a bit pinched for time in the next couple weeks, actually.
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| 19:39 | * vagrantc is waiting on ubuntu to sync debian packaging for ltsp ... | |
| 19:40 | <vagrantc> i've put in several merge requests over the years with limited results
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| 19:40 | <alkisg> vagrantc: np, could you give me a link to your packaging branch though, to try just that? ^
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| 19:40 | I know we'll still have some delta, but I want to sync whatever can be easily synced without resorting to debian/rules or makefiles...
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| 19:41 | <vagrantc> alkisg: https://code.launchpad.net/~vagrantc/ltsp/ltsp-debian-packaging is a mirror of http://anonscm.debian.org/loggerhead/pkg-ltsp/ltsp-debian-packaging/files
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| 19:41 | <alkisg> Ty :) I'll also do a lot of code commits in the next weeks, hope you don't mind
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| 19:41 | <vagrantc> alkisg: thanks for trying :)
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| 19:42 | i hope they'll be good :)
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| 19:42 | <alkisg> ...merging some ltsp-pnp bits into upstream, e.g. the export-root part into ltsp-update-image
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| 19:42 | So ltsp-update-image will grow a prepare.d directory etc
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| 19:43 | <vagrantc> nice.
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> Unfortunately dnsmasq by default wasn't such a good idea, but an ltsp-server-dnsmasq package sounds good,
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| 19:46 | and the whole ltsp-pnp concept can just become an "ltsp-update-image --export-root" parameter
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| 19:46 | <vagrantc> exciting!
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> In the future, ltsp-update-image might have hooks for NFS mounted dirs or .vdi dirs etc
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| 19:46 | <vagrantc> alkisg: does proxydhcp have the same issues?
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> No
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| 19:47 | Proxy works without problems, as long as your real dhcp server (router etc) have no problem themselves
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| 19:47 | <vagrantc> could you have dnsmasq running in proxydhcp mode by default, and still run isc-dhcp-server on the same server?
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| 19:47 | yeah, i figured it'd be like that
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| 19:48 | <alkisg> One could comment one line in /etc/dnsmasq.d/boot-server.conf to disable the dhcp functionality of dnsmasq...
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| 19:48 | <vagrantc> (although a fair number of routers use dnsmasq under the hood)
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| 19:48 | <alkisg> ...or specify different interfaces/addresses for them to listen in
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| 19:48 | For 10-20 clients it's not really a problem
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| 19:48 | But for e.g. 100+ clients, dnsmasq as a dhcp server has problems
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| 19:49 | Also I don't know if we want the tftp symlnks allowed by dnsmasq or not (for tftpd-hpa compatibility)
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| 19:49 | Maybe we should postpone it until the feature request is implemented in tftpd-hpa
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| 19:49 | <vagrantc> symlinks work with tftpd-hpa as long as it's within the root, yes?
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| 19:49 | within the tftproot
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| 19:49 | <alkisg> Yes, so we can't link to /usr/lib/syslinux
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| 19:49 | Or to CHROOT/nfs/boot
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| 19:49 | <vagrantc> right
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| 19:50 | hence, ltsp-update-kernels copying everything
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| 19:50 | <alkisg> Right
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| 19:50 | But do we want 2 different dirs? i386-nbd and i386-nfs?
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| 19:51 | They _may_ end up having different kernel versions, and they'll also have different kernel options in pxelinux.cfg/default (or pxelinux.inc)
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| 19:51 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 19:51 | <alkisg> So I think we should separate them, but of course there are compatibility concerns here
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| 19:51 | <vagrantc> they could use the same kernel/initrd, as long as they were kept in sync ... but it's possible they diverge, yes.
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| 19:52 | i'd like one menu that allows booting either ...
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| 19:52 | <alkisg> Btw Hyperbyte said that he's against menus :)
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| 19:52 | They confuse his users :D
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| 19:52 | So he wants them off by default, or if not, he definately wants an option to disable them
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| 19:54 | <vagrantc> i'm fine with disabling menus by default, as long as it's easy to turn them on
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| 19:56 | <alkisg> OK I'll commit most of the changes within a couple of weeks, and we can then spend a few days fine-tuning them
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| 19:56 | <vagrantc> hopefully i'll be able to take a poke them?
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| 19:57 | <alkisg> After commit? Sure, as always! Before commit? Most of the code is in ltsp-pnp now, https://code.launchpad.net/~alkisg/+junk/ltsp-pnp
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| 19:59 | 1) ltsp-update-image grows, 2) ltsp-server-dnsmasq package, 3) ship some files in /etc/ltsp by default, 4) pxe menus, 5) ssh/ldm checks by hostname instead of ip - I think that's about it
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| 20:01 | After that, Phantomas will also have a new users-management tool ready (similar to kuser but with more options), so school LTSP installations will be easier than ever
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| 20:01 | If that tool proves to be good enough, it might also be of interest to other debian/ubuntu users...
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