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02:17 | can anybody summarize the current state of multimedia on TCs under Edubuntu? e.g., "It works if you use esd", or "Wait for feisty", etc.
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05:12 | <Envite> Hola a todos desde España
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05:31 | <cliebow> hola...deja vu
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06:55 | <cstextiles> LTSP Problem NFS Error can anyone help me regarding this?
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08:01 | <Darke-> ogra: you there ?
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08:02 | <Darke-> As you may remember, i was here yesterday asking a few things.. Solved the problem doe, gdm.conf needed a bit of tweaking.
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08:03 | <Darke-> But now after getting ltsp to work perfectly on the "test server" wich was a SLES10 machine, well then i learned about ltsp5 (i used 4) being a part of edubuntu, and figured that might be the best thing for the real server.
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08:04 | So i did put up a server running Edubuntu (since afterall its gonna be used for students etc)
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08:04 | But im confused :P sure it took a while to get it to work on my SLES10 server, but atleast i knew what had to be done.
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08:05 | Here, im not sure if im even suposed to install any packages. Since it is integrated right ?
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08:05 | and there is no such thing as the old ltspcfg i used to execute to configure etc.
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08:06 | <cliebow_> Darke-: not to preempt ogra..but have you apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
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08:06 | <Darke-> there are some ltsp packages installed.
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08:06 | hm ok lemme check
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08:06 | <ogra> right
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08:06 | ltsp is installed by default and you should have seen it building the client environment during install time
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08:06 | <Darke-> ah, there we go :)
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08:07 | <ogra> if you used edgy and have a server with two network cards it should all work out of the box
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08:07 | <Darke-> was kinda anoying, prolly spent a whole day to get it to work on version 4, using ROM-floppy on a machine as a test thin-client etc.. then i install the "real" thing and i feel so lost ;)
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08:08 | hehe sounds.. booring ?
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08:08 | cuz thats the case.
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08:08 | <ogra> if you want to make tweaks, edit the lts.conf file ... /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/ has a lits of all valid values
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08:08 | *list
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08:08 | <Darke-> but what about tftp ? for hosting kernel
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08:09 | <ogra> thats set up automatically ...
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08:09 | <Darke-> shoulnt there be a directory called /tftboot ?
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08:09 | O_O
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08:09 | <ogra> nope
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08:09 | <Darke-> oh my
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08:09 | so, what do i point out for the client then ?
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08:09 | <ogra> its a debian based system, /tftpboot isnt really LSB compliant ... :)
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08:09 | err
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08:09 | FHS
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08:09 | <Darke-> cuz im not using a "real" thin client atm, loading a machine with a ROM-floppy
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08:10 | <ogra> in debian based systems its in 7var/lib/tftpboot
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08:10 | rom floppy is fine ...
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08:10 | etherboot is supported as well as PXE out of the box
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08:10 | <Darke-> yea im talking about pointing out static boot file
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08:10 | yea gonna use PXE later.
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08:11 | <Darke-> there we go, found it.
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08:11 | but if im using pxe boot you say i dont need to point out a boot file or anything ?
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08:11 | a kernel that is.
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08:11 | <ogra> there is #edubuntu btw (for more specific OS questions)
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08:12 | <Darke-> ok, well thanks for the help. I should be fine now ;)
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08:12 | <ogra> you shouldnt need to pchange *anything* :)
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08:12 | <Darke-> ;(
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08:12 | basicly i could just go home ?
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08:12 | :P
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08:13 | so PXE will just work out of the box ? -.-
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08:13 | <ogra> well, just start developing stuff for edubuntu if you get to bored ;)
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08:13 | <Darke-> what am i even here for.
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08:13 | <ogra> as etherboot does, yes
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08:13 | see the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file it already selects the right image for you
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08:14 | <Darke-> hehe, soz :) edubuntu is really not my personally dist of choise
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08:14 | <ogra> based on the kind of request that the dhcp server recieves
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08:14 | <cliebow_> ogra: you elaborating on edsadmin for ubuntu-directory-server
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08:14 | <ogra> well, was just a suggestion to beat the time :)
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08:14 | <Darke-> i use gentoo for private use. But this is a nice thing for the stundents, libary etc.
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08:14 | hehe
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08:15 | <ogra> cliebow_, yeps, moquist did some awesome bugfixing work on it to work right with smbldap
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08:15 | <Darke-> Well im not payed to develop stuff for edubuntu, so cant really take your advice :)
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08:15 | <ogra> Darke-, so port ltsp5 to gentoo then instead ;)
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08:15 | <Darke-> why would i want to do that ? :) im not gonna use it, not atm atleast.
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08:16 | <ogra> i know dberkholz could need more helpers with his effort
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08:16 | <cliebow_> cool..i started playing with it a little just recently
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08:16 | <Darke-> And for stundets Edubuntu is nice.
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08:16 | <ogra> nice to hear
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08:16 | <Darke-> ogra: one more thing.
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08:17 | <cliebow_> fotr admins edubuntu is nice too 8~)
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08:17 | <Darke-> You suggest i use ltps dm instead of lets say gdm ?
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08:18 | cliebow_: well, at work i use SLES10 for most servers.. and opensuse for desktop.. since afterall we are working with Novell.. but if i am to set up a ltsp enviroment for students edubuntu seems to be the perfect choise.
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08:18 | And gentoo is for private use :)
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08:19 | but anyway, ldm or gdm ?
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08:19 | i figured since there is a dm for ltsp it might be a better choise ?
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08:19 | <ogra> ldm
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08:19 | <cliebow_> Darke-: ive used all manner of redhat/fedora libranet and ubuntu
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08:20 | <ogra> all development focus in ubuntu lies on ldm integration, so if you would run gdm you'd be lacking features
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08:22 | <Darke-> cliebow_: ok :) well i hated Suse at first, but for a "enterprise" SLES aint that bad really. I used debian before i went over to gentoo for personal use, when im setting up a personal machine i like gentoo cuz of tweaking.. i used to love debian cuz of apt.. but now that im used to portage.. theres no turning back ;P
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08:22 | ogra: understood, thx.
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08:23 | <cliebow_> Darke-:that is good to know..ive had a gentoo iso in my hand for a few days wondering where to try it
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08:24 | <Darke-> hehe, you really should
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08:24 | be sure to read the handbook atleast 2 times before you do anything doe :)
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08:25 | <cliebow_> 8~): didnt know there WAS a handbook
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08:25 | <Darke-> then you should read it during install aswell.
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08:25 | oh my
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08:25 | <cliebow_> i fly a little by the seat of the pants
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08:27 | <Darke-> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml (for x86 ofc)
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08:27 | <bails> hi all just trying to build lbe and it fails in util-linux with :: /usr/src/lbe/i386-linux-crosscomp/bin/gcc -pipe -O2 -mcpu=i486 -fomit-frame-pointer -I../lib -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wstrict-prototypes -DNCH=1 -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DSBINDIR=\"/sbin\" -DUSRSBINDIR=\"/usr/sbin\" -DLOGDIR=\"/var/log\" -DVARPATH=\"/var\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/share/locale\" -march=i386 -s pivot_root.c -o pivot_root
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08:27 | pivot_root.c:15: syntax error before "pivot_root"
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08:27 | any ideas?
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08:28 | <Darke-> http://pastebin.com
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08:28 | :)
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08:28 | <cliebow_> Darke-:Much obliged 8~)
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08:29 | bails:this in ubuntu?
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08:29 | <bails> no debian unstable
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08:30 | <cliebow_> hmm: i thought maybe there might be something issing in your environment to build the lbenvironment..but that seems not logical
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08:35 | <Darke-> ogra: hmm i got tftp-hpa installed
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08:36 | <ogra> yep, thats right
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08:37 | <Darke-> is there something new in edubuntu ? ;P
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08:37 | <ogra> ??
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08:37 | <Darke-> cuz i dont seem to have any binary's for tftpd :P
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08:37 | <ogra> define "new"
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08:38 | try: which in.tftpd ;)
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08:39 | and its started by inetd, so you can find it in inetd.conf indeed
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08:40 | <Darke-> true
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08:41 | <cliebow_> Gadi!!!
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08:52 | <Gadi> cliebow!!
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09:15 | <cstextiles> LTSP Problem NFS Error: Permission Denied
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09:15 | <cliebow_> cstextiles showmount -e
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09:18 | <cstextiles> Actually the problem is at my office and so sorry I don't know the result of the same
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09:18 | <cstextiles> can u just point me the error/ mis configuration that must have gone wrong
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09:20 | <cliebow_> best to use the wiki.ltsp.org maybe and look under protocols-->nfs
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09:24 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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09:25 | <cliebow_> Scottie:!!!!
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09:25 | <jammcq> hola
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09:25 | <cliebow_> sbalneav:does your nsswitch.conf read files ldap compat?
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09:26 | <sbalneav> Mine's "compat ldap"
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09:27 | <cstextiles> Thanks cliebow_: I atleast got some changes to do. I mean some changes which may/may not clear the errors which I have. I mean adding lines like option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; Anyway I will try tomorrow at my office and see the results thanks for pointing me at the right direction
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09:28 | <cliebow_> option 128 will pass options to the kernel..not sure it has anything at all to do with nfs
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09:28 | error
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09:31 | <cstextiles> I read it in this page http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS
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09:31 | It says if u r using Etherboot I need to add 2 lines which i have not added
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09:52 | <cliebow_> hmm..i see what you are referring to..but this is not that problem
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09:56 | <cstextiles> cliebow_: Then what are those options for?
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10:01 | <sbalneav> ogra: OK, I pushed the postinst changes up to bazaar
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10:01 | <ogra> cool
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10:03 | <sbalneav> Vagrant's not around, do you know what was out-of-compliance for ltspfs?
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10:04 | <ogra> nothing imho
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10:04 | and according to mdz ...
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10:04 | vagrant just likes to interpret the policy a bit strict ...
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10:05 | <sbalneav> Hey, SOMEONE's gotta be a stickler around here :)
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10:05 | <ogra> his main concern was the /etc/modules handling in postinst
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10:05 | <sbalneav> ok, well, I've bzr pushed it.
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10:05 | <ogra> waiting for LP to sync it ...
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10:06 | <sbalneav> Hey, thanks for pointing me at BenC yesterday. Downloading the 2.6.19 -server from feisty fixed my NFS woes, it seems
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10:06 | \o/
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10:06 | <ogra> my concern is to have the scripts without manpages in /usr/share/ltspfsd
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10:06 | yay
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10:06 | <sbalneav> So, what's better: write manpages for the scripts, or move stuff to share?
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10:07 | <ogra> and to probably have a dependency on ltsp-client to make sure you cant install the evil scripts on a server...
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10:07 | <sbalneav> I thought we HAD manpages for just about everything?
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10:07 | <ogra> there is a lintian-override file
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10:07 | for scripts that imho shouldnt have manpages
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10:07 | but without manpage they have to go to /usr/share ...
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10:08 | which means ltsp needs slight adjustment accordingly
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10:08 | <sbalneav> ah, for cdpinger delayed_mounter ltspfs_mount and ltspfs_umount
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10:08 | <ogra> (the initscript at least)
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10:08 | right
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10:08 | they are all not for user usage ... so manpages arent really needed ...
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10:09 | <sbalneav> ok, well, the _mount and _umount scripts will require a wee tiny code change in ltspfs itself, that's no big deal.
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10:09 | <ogra> right
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10:09 | <sbalneav> cdpinger and delayed_mounter are launched from the init, and that's easypeasy.
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10:09 | <ogra> and its not urgent ....
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10:09 | <sbalneav> ok, so /usr/share/ltspfs
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10:10 | <ogra> the only urgent thing was /etc/modules, so vagrant can backport it
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10:10 | <sbalneav> or should it be .../ltspfsd
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10:10 | ?
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10:10 | <ogra> ltspfsd ...
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10:10 | <sbalneav> ok
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10:10 | <ogra> the binary package name
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10:10 | <sbalneav> gotcha
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10:10 | <ogra> how is your plan for xatoms going ?
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10:11 | do you still plan to implement it ?
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10:11 | <sbalneav> About 2/3rds done
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10:11 | <ogra> cool !
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10:11 | i'll poke on pulse again the next days
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10:11 | the last week i was only busy merging the branches again ...
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10:12 | ltsp-mainline is up to date again now :)
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10:12 | <sbalneav> If work can RUDDY SLOW DOWN AND LET ME GET 5 MINUTES TO CODE INSTEAD OF FORCING ME TO IMPLEMENT THIS STUPID NEW LEGAL APPLICATION AAAAAARRRRRGH !*&^*&%$(@&^*@.....
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10:12 | * sbalneav breaths heavy | |
10:12 | <ogra> ah, come on...
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10:12 | we have time ...
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10:12 | <sbalneav> Then I hope to finish it before and of december :)
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10:12 | <ogra> its not a race ;)
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10:12 | <sbalneav> yeah, true.
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10:13 | <ogra> it only feels like one right before the deadlines ;)
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10:13 | <sbalneav> But we all impose deadlines on ourselves. More frustrated with the "quality" (or lack thereof) of this "application" that this local "(ahem)Development firm" has done for us, than anything else.
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10:14 | <ogra> ouch
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10:14 | <sbalneav> I told you the story, so you know the deal I'm going through. Go live's Jan 2
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10:14 | <sbalneav> so it's crunch time around here.
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10:14 | <ogra> yeah
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10:14 | sounds like
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10:14 | <jammcq> go live Jan 2, drop dead Jan 3
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10:14 | <ogra> heh
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10:14 | <sbalneav> exactly.
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10:14 | <ogra> then scottie drops dead on 4th ?
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10:15 | <jammcq> yeah, if he doesn't go postal
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10:15 | <sbalneav> It cheeses me off that an office with 35 workstations that USED to run off of a single $1500 server now needs 2 $7000 servers to run it, SOLELY for this 1 application.
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10:16 | On the plus side, the whole org's moving to edgy + gnome desktop. People are LOVING that part.
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10:16 | so, I guess it's not ALL bad.
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10:16 | <ogra> yay
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10:16 | <sbalneav> Lots of great comments on the desktop. People who I thought would hate it are going on about how it's so much easier to use than icewm!
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10:17 | <jammcq> oh, like icewm was soooooo hard
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10:19 | <sbalneav> That's what had me going
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10:19 | icewm is WAY less complicated than gnome.
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10:19 | However, I think the issue is bling.
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10:19 | <Envite> Hello all (again) from Spain
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10:19 | Hola a todos (otra vez) desde España
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10:31 | <arc_> Envite: :P
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10:31 | Envite: how you doin
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10:39 | <Envite> eins?
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10:41 | <arc_> Envite: how are you doing?
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10:41 | Envite: I'm alberto from gran canaria
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10:42 | Envite: free software office, remember?
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10:47 | <Envite> sí, tío
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10:54 | <efra> Hi everybody
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11:02 | <sbalneav> ogra: finished eating?
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11:03 | I was fooling around the other day with something, was wondering if we could kick around the idea of getting the power button going under LTSP5, and what we'd need.
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12:22 | <rjune_> hey guys
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12:22 | <Envite> hello rjune
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13:27 | <BilboFett> is there a way to turn off hyperthreading?
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13:28 | syntax?
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13:29 | <sbalneav> Why do you think you need to turn off hyperthreading? What symptoms are you seeing that need hyperthreading turned off?
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13:33 | <rjune_> sbalneav, you don't count general principles?
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13:33 | <sbalneav> What's wrong with hyperthreading? I'm on a box with it now.
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13:34 | <Envite> hyperthreading is like passing a lot of cars through a street with two lanes instead of one ;)
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13:34 | <rjune_> Historicly it causes more problems than it solves
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13:34 | <MrFreeBird> hi there. I installed ltsp on ubuntu, its ok. I installed dosemu, ok. If I try to run dosemu it closes. Any help?
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13:35 | <sbalneav> No idea if dosemu runs under ltsp.
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13:36 | rjune_: heh, I've never had a problem with it. Guess I've been lucky.
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13:37 | <MrFreeBird> sbalneav, I would like to run old MSDOS programs. A client of mine still uses Windows just for that. If was possible, I would like to use just linux
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13:37 | <rjune_> sbalneav, usually I've only seen slowness
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13:37 | Lying to the OS about having more CPUs then you really do seems to be less effective then one might think
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13:38 | <sbalneav> MrFreeBird: If you run the dosemu on the console, does it work?
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13:39 | I'd expect that dosemu, if it's emulating a dos box, might be wanting to talk directly to a video card somehow, and that might not work over X.
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13:39 | <MrFreeBird> sbalneav, no it does not. A window open, autoexec starts, and suddenly it exits
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13:40 | <sbalneav> So, really, then, if it doesn't work on the server console, your problem isn't with LTSP at all, it's with dosemu.
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13:40 | <MrFreeBird> ok
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13:40 | I will do some searching
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14:34 | <SuPrSluG> hello
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14:36 | having an issue with ibm 8363 client. it boots and goes to a runlevel prompt. usb keyboard isn't working. it work to get into the ibm settings but dies thereagter
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14:36 | thereafter
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15:00 | <cliebow_> SuP:i am heading out but i have a bunch of 8363 netvistas running here if you want to talk shop
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15:11 | <BilboFett> sbalneav, still here?
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15:12 | <BilboFett> my district office boss told me to turn off hyperthreading for today on my student server because they are working on something. They say its not load balancing. I have to do what they say.
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15:12 | so is there a way to turn off hyperthreading?
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15:12 | <mrlinux> why does Flash crash on my client machine but works fine for the server
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15:12 | why does Flash crash on my client machine but works fine for the server Firefox
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15:47 | <mrlinux> why does Flash crash on my client machine but works fine for the server Firefox
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15:58 | <SuPrSluG> hi it's not start x . it goes to a runlevel prompt and the keyboard is not enabled. work when i point it to another server
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15:59 | not starting x
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17:18 | <nn> anyone worked with Neoware netstation 3000's?
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18:07 | <fxrsliberty> any ltsp5 devs here?
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18:09 | <fxrsliberty> moquist: you listening?
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20:23 | <jammcq> howdie
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20:27 | <cliebow> howdie!!
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22:42 | <Mathesis> hi vagrantc
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23:17 | <mb4me> is it possible to use widescreen resolution in LTSP, 1440x900? The only driver i get to work with my Mini-ITX board is VESA
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