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Channel log from 30 October 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:50 | <PiIgrim> howdy all, question .. what is wrong in what configs if the client boots and it's loading /tftpboot/bzimage ... and keeps putting points/dots slowly, very slowly ... as in .. in 20 minutes 6 dots ... i did connected them to a cross cable, and no, it didn't solved the problem...
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| 02:50 | any ideas ?
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| 02:55 | <Appiah> how big is the bzimage ?
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| 03:05 | <PiIgrim> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.9M 2008-10-22 06:12 vmlinuz-2.6.24-21-generic
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| 03:05 | i'd say rather small
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| 03:06 | i have also another ltsp serv on lan, and if i let it boot from it, it puts like ... 500 dots in 2 seconds and starts
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| 03:09 | <Appiah> are you trying with the same client?
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| 03:10 | <PiIgrim> yeap
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| 03:10 | <Appiah> hm
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| 03:10 | sounds strange
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| 03:11 | I would check the traffic then
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| 03:16 | <alkisg> Pilgrim, do other clients boot OK from both servers?
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| 03:16 | <PiIgrim> nope
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| 03:17 | this new server i'm installing .. so .. now i first try to boot from this new one ..
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| 03:17 | <alkisg> OK... maybe a problem with the tftp server?
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| 03:18 | <PiIgrim> tftp server is managed by xinetd .. and i looked into this ...
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| 03:18 | hmm
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| 03:18 | yeap
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| 03:18 | this seem to be indeed the problem
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| 03:19 | t# tftp localhost
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| 03:19 | tftp> get vmlinuz-2.6.24-21-generic
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| 03:19 | and it just idle
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| 03:19 | with full path same thing
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| 03:19 | tftp> get /tftpboot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-21-generic
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| 03:19 | Transfer timed out.
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| 03:19 | <alkisg> Which tftp server is it?
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| 03:20 | <PiIgrim> tftpd - IPv4 Trivial File Transfer Protocol server
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| 03:20 | in.tftpd binary, runned via xinetd
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| 03:20 | <Appiah> check the log
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| 03:21 | <alkisg> (you could also try tftpd-hpa...)
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| 03:21 | In synaptic, I see : "Tftpd is not suitable for use with the PXE bootloader; for that, use atftpd or tftpd-hpa."
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| 03:22 | But I've never tried tftpd, I don't know why it states that.
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| 03:22 | <Appiah> hmm
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| 03:29 | <PiIgrim> hmm yea
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| 03:29 | the tftp thingy i solved it ...
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| 03:30 | aparently it was because of the extra params i added ..
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| 04:00 | <PiIgrim> so ... i just re-did:
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| 04:00 | sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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| 04:00 | ltsp-update-kernels -t /tftpboot -b /opt/ltsp
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| 04:01 | what image should i use for boot ?
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| 04:08 | ..... (PXE) ............ segment [nr:nr] does not fit in any memory region
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| 04:08 | what's this ?
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| 04:09 | <Appiah> I think that happends when you try to boot the wrnog arch
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| 04:09 | <PiIgrim> well ... it
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| 04:09 | well ... it's i386 ..
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| 04:09 | how could i be wrong ?
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| 04:09 | lol
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| 04:10 | <Appiah> well the error is about the same
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| 04:10 | ;)
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| 04:10 | either that or it's to big for the client
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| 04:11 | <PiIgrim> the ltsp-build-client made me an i386.img file of considerable dimensions .. what's that for ?
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| 04:11 | -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 150M 2008-10-30 10:55 i386.img
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| 04:12 | and no, i am not trying to boot with this one :)
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| 04:13 | <Appiah> that's very big...
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| 04:14 | <PiIgrim> i try to boot with the images that ltsp-update-kernels -t /tftpboot -b /opt/ltsp created for me
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| 04:15 | /tftpboot/ltsp/i386/initrd.img-2.6.24-16-generic
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| 04:15 | /tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic
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| 04:15 | and with this i got the segment does not fit error
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| 04:21 | <ninou> hi
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| 05:11 | <Appiah> PiIgrim: getting anywhere?
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| 05:39 | <Nubae> ogra: what's Intrepid's support time frame?
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| 05:40 | <ogra> 18 months, like any non LTS
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| 05:40 | <Nubae> ah, well then hardy's support time frame is wrong, cause on the release page it says supported for 18 months
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| 05:41 | how many months for LTS, then?
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| 05:41 | <ogra> depends which one
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| 05:41 | edubuntu and kubuntu arent LTS
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| 05:41 | <Nubae> oh?
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| 05:41 | <ogra> only ubuntu is
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| 05:41 | and apps directly included in ubuntu
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| 05:42 | <Nubae> thats a bit confusing, I mean edubuntu is ubuntu + add on cd, and that then invalidates the LTS?
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| 05:42 | * ogra watches #ubuntu-release-party with amusement | |
| 05:42 | <ogra> no, the ubuntu part is LTS
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| 05:42 | the addon part isnt
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| 05:43 | kubuntu uses the ubuntu-minimal package on the lowest layer ... thats LTS ... the kde apps on top arent
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| 05:44 | <Nubae> so 'Ubuntu Education edition' refers only to the addon cd?
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| 05:44 | or also LTSP server?
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| 05:45 | <ogra> no idea, RichEd defines what Ubuntu Education edition is
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| 05:45 | its definately not ltsp
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| 05:45 | ltsp is a server software included in ubuntu
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| 05:45 | not bound to education
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| 05:45 | (tahts why its on the ubuntu CD and there is no edubuntu install CD anymore ;) )
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| 05:46 | <Nubae> I'm mostly talking in reference to the edubuntu.org download page
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| 05:47 | where it does state edubuntu can be installed in 2 forms, addon-cd or LTSP
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| 05:47 | <ogra> no idea
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| 05:48 | <ogra> that wording would be bad
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| 05:48 | no idea who added that
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| 05:48 | really, talk to RichEd
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| 05:48 | <Nubae> ok, I'll edit it more in line with what u said above...
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| 05:48 | or wait for RichEd to show up
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| 05:49 | but all edubuntu related releases then 18 months suppor
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| 05:49 | <ogra> right
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| 05:49 | well, the apps on the CD that is
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| 05:54 | <ninou> in debian/lenny can not logout when i use autologin :(
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| 05:55 | <ogra> use LDM_TIMEOUT
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| 05:58 | <xmagixx> i'm haveing a huge problem, when useing sudo ltsp-build-client , when it starts to build almost everything it says it couldent find, allthough it ends with success, but i got no grapfical login, here's the pastebin of the errors http://pastebin.com/f1312310a
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| 05:58 | <alkisg> Hi all, apart from USE_LOCAL_SWAP and actually having a swap partition, what else do I have to do to enable local swap? (hardy) If I do `swapon /dev/sda2` after logging in to a TC, I enable it, but it's not enabled by default...
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| 06:01 | <ninou> ogra: LDM_TIMEOUT do nothing, and it is not in the ldm source
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| 06:03 | <ogra> ninou, oh, sorry, its LDM_TIMEOUT_ENABLED and LDM_TIMEIUT_TIME
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| 06:03 | and its in the greeter
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| 06:04 | <poliveira> Hi all. I have a ltsp5 scenario with debian etch. I have everything configured on debian, but I want the thin clients to use ldm because of the usb devices. The thing is I don't want to connect to this debian machine, since it hasn't X, but to login on another debian machine with X. It is working ok, except the usb mount.
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| 06:05 | I made the debug, and everything is ok until step 4 on chroot
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| 06:06 | it's like ltspfsmounter doesn't exits
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| 06:08 | <PiIgrim> Appiah not realty
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| 06:08 | -t
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| 07:16 | <Appiah> poliveira: do you have ltspfs and ltspfsd ?
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| 07:18 | <poliveira> yes
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| 07:19 | <Appiah> and there is a fuse group
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| 07:19 | and the user is a member of that group?
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| 07:26 | <poliveira> yes
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| 07:27 | <xmagixx> after adding some users i no longer have X aka grafics, it just dumps in a BusyBox shell, how to fix this ?
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| 07:27 | <poliveira> the thing is that the users are created on the debian machine with the ltsp5. the other debian machine where I want to make ldm is a ldap client of the first
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| 07:28 | <PiIgrim> hmm, not if boots and starts .. and it remains at initramfs, any clues on what should i look into next ?
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| 07:29 | <xmagixx> Pilgrim i'm haveing the same problem!
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| 07:30 | <poliveira> I was able to make it work now. I installed ltspfs on the LDAP client machine. because with this I now have ltspfsmounter on the machine where I am making ldm
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| 07:30 | <poliveira> it's the way I found to work
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| 07:42 | <gate_keeper_> does nfs have any connection with this: ..line 174: can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf on debian
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| 07:46 | <gate_keeper_> suppose it can't find the eth
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| 08:08 | <ninou> ogra: in which package and its version are LDM_TIMEOUT flags ?
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| 08:09 | <ogra> not sure when it was added, but surely in the current ubuntu release that goes out within the next hours
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| 08:10 | and afaik the same code should also be in debian lenny atm
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| 08:15 | <johnny> somebody answered my question? http://torrentfreak.com/use-bittorrent-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-intrepid-ibex-081029/
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| 08:15 | apt-p2p
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| 08:16 | <ogra> johnny, ask in #ubuntu-release-party :)
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| 08:17 | <johnny> i don't need to ask, i see it :)
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| 08:17 | it was nice to have my question answered without searching :)
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| 08:17 | <ogra> you had a questionmark there :)
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| 08:18 | <ogra> #u-r-p is really entertaining :)
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| 08:25 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:26 | <Guaraldo> !S
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| 08:26 | <ltspbot`> Guaraldo: "S" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:26 | <Guaraldo> Hi, sbalneav!
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| 08:26 | <sbalneav> Hey Guaraldo!
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| 08:27 | <Guaraldo> How do you do, man???
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| 08:29 | <ogra> sbalneav, /join #ubuntu-release-party ;)
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| 08:31 | <ogra> ... if you want to see something scrolling faaaast :)
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| 08:43 | * Guaraldo have to go now! | |
| 08:43 | <Guaraldo> Seeya!
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| 08:46 | <sbalneav> ogra: Been there, done that :)
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| 08:47 | <ogra> :)
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| 08:47 | <sbalneav> \o/ for intrepid, BTW
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| 08:47 | <ogra> not yet
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| 08:47 | <sbalneav> I know, but anxiously awaiting :)
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| 08:47 | <ogra> i guess within the next hour
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| 08:48 | <sbalneav> I've been getting involved a little bit the twiki schism. We're big twiki users here at Legal Aid, so I've been idling in #twiki_fork for the last day or so.
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| 08:49 | It was on /. a couple of days ago.
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| 08:50 | <ogra> yeah i saw their page recently
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| 08:58 | <ninou> why hostname in section identifier in lts.conf does not work instead of IP or MAC address ?
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| 09:01 | <sbalneav> ninou: You need the "get-lease-hostnames true" stanza enabled in your dhcpd.conf file for that to work.
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| 09:01 | <ninou> sbalneav: thanks
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| 09:04 | <warren> hmm, anyone remember what is the X* option that lets you specify a different xorg.conf location?
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| 09:04 | <ogra> X_CONF
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| 09:05 | <warren> X_CONF=/etc/X11/xorg.conf-somethingelse?
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| 09:05 | <sbalneav> yuppers
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| 09:05 | <ogra> yep
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| 09:08 | <poliveira> is there a way to specify diferent ldm hosts? I want to make a ldm connection to more than one machine
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| 09:10 | <sbalneav> What, as in have a chooser where you can select which host to connect to?
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| 09:12 | <alkisg> poliveira, I think LDM_SERVER in lts.conf specifies which host ldm will connect to.
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| 09:15 | <poliveira> yes, but it only gives me one option, right? I want to have a screen to one host using ldm, and two other screens using ldm to two different hosts
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| 09:18 | <warren> eww
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| 09:18 | <Gadi> poliveira: you can only have ldm running on 1 thin client screen
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| 09:19 | <warren> Gadi: we don't enforce that... it just blows up...
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| 09:19 | * ogra is hapy to announce that ubuntu 8.10 is officially released now | |
| 09:19 | <Gadi> right - the code is not written to support multiple ldm screens
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| 09:19 | <warren> with the ssh thing, it is impossible to support multiple ldm screens now
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| 09:20 | <ogra> ??
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| 09:20 | why
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> Gadi: Well, actually, when I rewrote LDM, I actually had in mind that we should be able to support more than one screen.
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| 09:20 | <ogra> warren, i can use ten terminals to log in to ten servers with ssh ... why shouldnt that work for ldm ?
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| 09:20 | <alkisg> ogra, congrats! (the ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso was up since yesterday? 29-Oct-2008 23:24)
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> If there's something that's preventing that, then that's a bug we should fix.
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| 09:21 | <warren> if you turn off ltspfs and localapps it can probably work
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| 09:21 | <ogra> alkisg, yeah, but only throgh secret channels
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| 09:21 | <alkisg> heh
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| 09:21 | <ogra> warren, thats a bug then
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| 09:21 | ltspfs should cope
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| 09:21 | <Gadi> sbalneav: we onle have environment vars for ldm
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| 09:21 | <ogra> loclapps wont
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| 09:21 | <Gadi> so you can set LDM_SERVER
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| 09:21 | and that applies to all
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| 09:21 | <sbalneav> Let's take a look at that next week.
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| 09:21 | <Gadi> we do not pass LDM_SERVER as an arg to each ldm instance
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| 09:22 | <warren> I personally don't care if someone is trying to use more than one ldm on the same client
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> nor any other LDM_*
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| 09:22 | <ogra> we could
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| 09:22 | <warren> It is a bad idea.
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| 09:22 | <sbalneav> So, what we need is something like LDM_SERVER_SCREENx or the like.
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| 09:22 | <warren> I actually hate the entire screen* design
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> yuck, no
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| 09:22 | <poliveira> yeah. but don't you think it's a great ideia?
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| 09:22 | I am one of the people who would like that?
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> poliveira: why?
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| 09:22 | <poliveira> sorry, no question mark on the last message
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| 09:23 | <poliveira> I have a server with everything on it, dhcp, nfs, ltsp, apache, the works
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> why not handle it all on the backend?
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| 09:23 | <poliveira> but it doesn't have X
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| 09:23 | <warren> btw, what day are we leaving Maine?
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> ok.
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| 09:23 | so?
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| 09:23 | <ogra> whats the prob with that ?
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> thats your boot server
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| 09:24 | just set LDM_SERVER to the appropriate app server
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> warren: any ideas how we could revamp that?
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| 09:24 | <poliveira> I want the thin client to connect to three different UBUNTU remote desktop
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> but, why?
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| 09:24 | <warren> sbalneav: revamp what?
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| 09:24 | <poliveira> with local devices support
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> but, why?
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> The screen design
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| 09:24 | <warren> sbalneav: I personally want to rip out support for SCREEN_* and use your own distro's VT defining
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| 09:25 | <Gadi> you want *each* thin client to have 3 different simultaneous desktop connections?
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| 09:25 | <warren> and it is a non-priority for me to make multiple LDM's work
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| 09:25 | <ogra> warren, that would make a lot users upset
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| 09:25 | <warren> if somebody else wants to fix it, I welcome them to do it
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| 09:25 | ogra: right, I'm not doing something so drastic without the others agreeing.
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| 09:25 | <poliveira> :) it's a costumer requirement.
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| 09:26 | because each server has different apps
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| 09:26 | <ogra> warren, well, i'm personally not against it and actualy agree with you, it just slows down the boot, but its a common practice
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| 09:26 | <poliveira> and he wants local devices support on all
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> why not provide one desktop on one screen
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| 09:26 | <warren> poliveira: multiple LDM's is the wrong way to do what you want
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> and push all the apps back through it
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| 09:26 | <warren> poliveira: a menu to select which server you want to login is the right way.
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| 09:26 | <Blinny> Just map the apps correctly using NFS
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| 09:26 | <ogra> right, merge the servers
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> poliveira: Looks like the answer is: "not now, and no time soon" :)
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| 09:28 | <Blinny> The first user I created on my Hardy server gets all the apport crash reports. How can I have my other administrative logins be notified of crash reports?
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| 09:28 | <sbalneav> Yeah, server menu would be easier, as an intermediate step.
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| 09:28 | <poliveira> I told him to do that, he didn't want it. he want every app on each server.
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| 09:28 | <ogra> Blinny, hmm, all users of the admin group should get them
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| 09:29 | <Gadi> poliveira: right, but make a launcher on one desktop
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| 09:29 | that will run the app on the other server
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| 09:29 | and push it back
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| 09:29 | <ogra> sbalneav, err, we have a server menu ?
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| 09:29 | * ogra forgot how to enable it but there was one once | |
| 09:29 | * sbalneav slaps forhead | |
| 09:29 | <Blinny> ogra: I added these admin users from the command line, not using System->admin->users, but they are in the admin group
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> yeah, we do, I forgot.
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| 09:30 | duh
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| 09:30 | <ogra> bt it needs a special script and the keys
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| 09:30 | <warren> sigh. Day 400 of the Fedora X VT flamewar.
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| 09:30 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 09:30 | <warren> I really don't care about this flamewar.
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| 09:30 | <Blinny> ...not that I can tell from a terminal because *#&%* policykit is still busted
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| 09:30 | <ogra> warren, time to switch to ubuntu, out flamewars are tame :)
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| 09:30 | *our
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| 09:30 | <poliveira> but, one question. I have the option SERVER=172.31.3.176 and the LDM_SERVER=172.31.3.175. the thing is I need to install the package ltspfs on the LDM_SERVER because of the command ltspfsmounter
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| 09:31 | <sbalneav> Blinny: getent group admin :)
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| 09:31 | <Blinny> sbalneav: Yeah, the accounts are listed
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| 09:31 | <poliveira> or the usb device doesn't appear on the ldm host
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| 09:31 | <sbalneav> also, as the user, you can just run the command "id"
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| 09:31 | poliveira: yup, that's right, you'll need the ltspfs package installed on the ldm server
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| 09:32 | <warren> ogra: might be hard to get my management to agree to that.
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| 09:32 | <ogra> sbalneav, and the user in the fuse group indeed
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| 09:32 | <sbalneav> yes, that too.
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| 09:32 | <ogra> warren, ah, well, over time ...
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| 09:32 | <Blinny> sbalneav: Yah the accounts are in the admin group - 115(admin) (And fuse: 107(fuse))
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| 09:33 | <sbalneav> Not sure then.
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| 09:33 | <gate_keeper_> guys, ltsp-server-standalone installs pulseaudio by default?
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| 09:33 | <sbalneav> something with apport then
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| 09:33 | <ogra> gate_keeper_, which is a moot dependency and should be cleaned up, since the desktop depends on it anyway
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| 09:34 | though its the esd compatibility layer actually
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| 09:34 | (which in turn likely depends on pulse)
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| 09:34 | <Blinny> Yah it's strange. If I log in as the original admin user (uid 1000) I'll immediately get 10-15 NetworkManager and ndiswrapper crash reports
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| 09:34 | <gate_keeper_> ogra: k,thx
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| 09:34 | <ogra> Blinny, ndiswrapper ?
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| 09:35 | <ogra> you use ndiswrapper on a production server ?
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| 09:35 | <Blinny> wait oops
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| 09:35 | npviewer.bin
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| 09:35 | Sorry - hold habits die hard
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| 09:48 | <ninou> what is the difference between LMD_REMOTECMD and LMD_SESSION ?
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| 09:48 | <ogra> there is none, one replaced the other
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| 09:48 | the latter is the used one
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| 09:51 | thats so cute ... http://pythonide.blogspot.com/2008/10/how-to-make-money-with-free-software.html
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| 09:53 | <Blinny> I think apport requires update notification to be turned on to report crashes
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| 09:56 | <johnny> odd problems here
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| 09:56 | err odd problem
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| 09:56 | since it only happens to one machine..
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| 09:57 | it hangs after loading initrd
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| 09:57 | killing nbd-server seems to fix it
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| 09:58 | <ogra> Blinny, nope
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| 10:04 | <Blinny> Do you know what fires the apport notification icon?
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| 10:04 | <ogra> apport
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| 10:05 | <Blinny> From wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport: "If a user process crashes while the user is not currently logged in, update-notifier will present a notification when the user starts a desktop session the next time"
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| 10:05 | <ogra> thats wrong
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| 10:05 | <Blinny> Yeah, the screenshots look older
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| 10:06 | <ogra> i think apport just uses the notification daemon backend, but not update-notifier itself
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| 10:06 | <Blinny> Then wiki/Apport is way wrong - update-notifier is peppered throughout
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| 10:06 | <ogra> but its moot anyway, apport gets deliberately disabled on release day
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| 10:07 | to not spam launchpad
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| 10:07 | <Blinny> I thought it was the opposite - enabled after -final is put out?
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| 10:07 | <jammcq> ogra: hey, congrats on the new release of Ubuntu
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| 10:07 | i'm looking forward to installing this weekend
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| 10:07 | <ogra> jammcq, gracias :) btw my testmeil got through
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| 10:07 | *mail
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| 10:07 | <jammcq> test mail?
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| 10:07 | <ogra> so the mailserver seems fine
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| 10:08 | <jammcq> ah, yeah we had a small problem last night
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| 10:08 | <ogra> well, scottie complained to you last night
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| 10:08 | <jammcq> yep, glad it's working
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| 10:08 | <ogra> Blinny, i'm really the wrong person to talk to about apport, try to find pitti in one of the ubuntu channels
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| 10:09 | <Blinny> ogra: OK. Thanks for trying - and congratulations!
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| 10:09 | <ogra> thanks :)
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| 10:15 | <johnny> contributing to the torrentz
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| 10:36 | <johnny> hmm.. amd64 torrent == good
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| 10:36 | i386 torrent == bad
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| 10:37 | guess most folks with fast connections have amd64 :)
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| 10:37 | <xmagixx> :)
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| 11:01 | <marcellodj> hello to all mates
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| 11:01 | can i ask here for some info about kiwi?
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| 11:06 | <johnny> you can.. but there are few who can answer it
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| 11:06 | cyberorg isn't here
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| 11:06 | <marcellodj> in a couple of hours i have my kiwi-ltsp up and running in a vm environment;
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| 11:06 | what i would know is how to modify the splash screen of kiwi ldm
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| 11:07 | looks so unprofessional
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| 11:07 | <johnny> the themes are in /usr/share/ldm/themes
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| 11:07 | iirc
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| 11:08 | in the client
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| 11:08 | you have to know how to mess with gtk themes tho
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| 11:09 | <marcellodj> i have no dir called ldm
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| 11:09 | on the server
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| 11:09 | <johnny> it's in the thin client chroot
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| 11:10 | wherever that is in suse
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| 11:12 | <marcellodj> i will look after
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| 11:12 | thank very much
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| 11:13 | http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Tips_and_Tricks
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| 11:13 | there is the response to my stupid question
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| 11:14 | thanks again
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| 11:14 | i m very enthusiast of ltsp project, a great piece of sw
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| 11:42 | <warren> jammcq: so unless there is a terrible snow storm, I'm going to the hackfest
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| 11:43 | <ninou> howto can i allow a user to connect on the LDM_SERVER only via a LTSP client ?
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| 11:43 | <warren> jammcq: could you please count me in? did you already tell the motel?
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| 11:46 | * Lns congratulates all the Ubuntu people on Intrepid's release! | |
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| 11:55 | <johnny> got my amd64 and i386 cds already burned
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| 11:55 | now i just need my powerpc cd..
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| 11:56 | <johnny> ready to upgrade sometime this weekend
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| 11:58 | <Lns> johnny: I thought you used gentoo?
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| 11:59 | <johnny> not @ red emma's
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| 11:59 | my gf uses ubuntu as well
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| 11:59 | i use gentoo on my personal machine
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| 11:59 | thinking about installing fedora 10 whenever it comes out tho.. on my desktop
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| 11:59 | err laptop
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| 11:59 | <Lns> ah
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| 12:00 | johnny: you have a site for red emma's?
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| 12:00 | <johnny> redemmas.org
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| 12:01 | <Lns> that's logical ;)
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| 12:01 | <Lns> nice site
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| 12:02 | <johnny> " our public internet terminals" == ltsp
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| 12:07 | <Lns> johnny: where's that info on the site? couldn't find anything
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| 12:07 | <johnny> it's on the front page
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| 12:07 | in the intro text
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| 12:08 | <Lns> oh
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| 12:08 | heh
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| 12:08 | <johnny> it doesn't say anything about the implementation or anything
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| 12:08 | nobody cares about that kinda thing
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| 12:08 | <Lns> nice
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| 12:08 | yeah, of course
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| 12:08 | you could always have a link with "public internet terminals" that shows a pic or some such
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| 12:09 | <johnny> been holding off on that
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| 12:09 | we have some pics on flickr
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| 12:09 | but .. they are old
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| 12:10 | and we're about to get lcd monitors (hopefully)
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| 12:10 | and move stuff..
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| 12:10 | so holding off on new pics until then
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| 12:10 | <Nubae> anyone got a intrepid install that can do some screenshots for me?
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| 12:11 | <johnny> not yet..
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| 12:12 | <Nubae> need it for wiki.edubun
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| 12:12 | oops
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| 12:12 | wiki.edubuntu.org/IntrepidClassroomServer
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| 12:12 | right now its got hardy images
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| 12:13 | <Lns> ogra!
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| 12:13 | get some sleep?
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| 12:13 | <Nubae> till when are regular server releases supported?
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| 12:13 | <johnny> we're finally getting our monitors!
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| 12:13 | yay!
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| 12:13 | now all we need are tinier computers
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| 12:14 | * johnny can't wait | |
| 12:15 | <Nubae> and when is Jaunty scheduled for launch?
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| 12:15 | <Lns> one of my clients just bought a lab full of HP T5330 thinclients... they're pretty nice i guess, they do have wince on them though :( work pretty well w/ltsp, although some of them are reportedly hard-locking up
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| 12:16 | <johnny> Lns, .. lemme know if you ever want to donate some before tax time :)
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| 12:16 | hehe
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| 12:16 | * Lns starts the reboot-after-kernel-upgrade dance | |
| 12:16 | <Lns> johnny: heh... if it were my stuff, sure
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| 12:34 | <Lns> yikes...searching sourceforge lists is such a pita
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| 12:34 | * Lns feels like a sloth | |
| 12:36 | <Lns> Is there a "standard" way (other than hacking the chroot) for syslog on thin-clients to log to the ltsp server instead of in the volatile chroot? That would be enormously helpful for remote administration
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| 12:36 | <loather-work> SYSLOG_SERVER in the lts.conf, if i recall correctly
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| 12:36 | it defaults to, '
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| 12:37 | $SERVER' if not set (iirc)
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| 12:37 | <Lns> loather: i've seen that, but if it defaults to the server...that would mean it already works..which it doesn't..
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| 12:37 | i was kind of confused as to that parm
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| 12:37 | <loather-work> are you sure your syslog server accepts remote logging? :)
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| 12:38 | <Lns> loather: oh..heh
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| 12:38 | * Lns blushes | |
| 12:40 | <Nubae> there is something else.. u have to set it to -r somewhere for remote
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| 12:40 | <Lns> Nubae: would that be in /etc/default by chance?
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| 12:40 | I think i remember doing that a few years ago for remote syslog
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| 12:41 | <Lns> yup../etc/default/syslogd
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| 12:41 | <Nubae> yah thats the one
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| 12:41 | another wiki entry perhaps ;-)
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| 12:42 | <Lns> Nubae: you read my mind
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| 12:43 | <Nubae> :D
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| 12:43 | * Lns wishes partimage could back up live partitions safely | |
| 12:44 | <loather-work> nothing really can
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| 12:44 | if you're using LVM you can take a snapshot of the LV, then back that up
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| 12:45 | <Lns> loather: Acronis TrueImage does it quite nicely
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| 12:49 | <Lns> loather-work: do you know if syslog_server is enabled, if it will *also* log locally in the chroot (as well as the server) ?
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| 12:49 | * Lns is trying to build accurate documentation | |
| 12:50 | <Gadi> Lns: it never logs to the chroot
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| 12:50 | syslogd does not run in the chroot
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| 12:50 | <Lns> err..syslog_host
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> ok, syslog host
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| 12:50 | <Lns> Gadi: hey =)
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> it never logs on the thin client
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> :)
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| 12:50 | except for ldm
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| 12:50 | that writes to ldm.log
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| 12:50 | and Xorg
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| 12:50 | <Lns> Gadi: well what about xorg.*.log ?
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> that writes to Xorg*log
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| 12:51 | neither of those use syslog
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| 12:51 | <Lns> hrm
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| 12:51 | ok
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> also, note that enabling syslogd on the server to accept logs increases network traffic dramatically
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| 12:51 | <Lns> So what's the use of syslog_host ?
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> so, there are consequences
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| 12:52 | <Lns> if syslogd doesn't run in the chroot
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| 12:52 | <Nubae> ubuntu.com is down to a snails pace... everyone downloading I suppose
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> in case you have a central log server other than the LTSP server
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| 12:52 | <Lns> Gadi: but if nothing's getting logged...?
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> everything that uses syslog gets logged
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| 12:53 | like kernel messages, etc
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| 12:53 | <Nubae> jeez imagine 100 of those
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| 12:53 | <Lns> Gadi: " syslogd does not run in the chroot"
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> correct
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| 12:53 | but the syslog client is there
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| 12:53 | <Lns> oh.
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| 12:54 | blah :p
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| 12:54 | <Gadi> and will send syslog messages to your syslog server
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| 12:54 | <Nubae> thas y u have to change /etc/default/syslogd on the server :p
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| 12:54 | * Lns thought syslogd was it | |
| 12:54 | <Lns> Nubae: right
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| 12:54 | <johnny> it would be nice if ldm coudl log to syslogtho
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| 12:54 | * Lns agrees with johnny | |
| 12:54 | <Gadi> johnny: yeah - we've discussed that - its just a matter of tweaking it
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| 12:55 | maybe in Maine
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| 12:55 | ldm.log is not very useful anyway
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| 12:55 | so we may just get rid of it - or make it something viewable through ldm interface
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| 12:55 | on error
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| 12:55 | <Nubae> the .xsession-errors tell uf far more
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| 12:56 | <COA-MikeyB> Anyone here going to LTSP by the Sea?
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| 12:56 | <Nubae> what does ldm.log tell u? if it crashes or not?
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| 12:56 | * Lns is in favor of using standard logging services for everything involving ltsp ;) | |
| 12:56 | <johnny> it tells you what sectino of the login is happening
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| 12:56 | Lns, xorg itself has never logged to syslog
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| 12:57 | <Lns> johnny: that's weird..you'd think it would
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> COA-MikeyB: u buying the first round?
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| 12:57 | :)
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| 12:57 | <COA-MikeyB> Depends on how many show up;)
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> Lns: syslog is not used for lengthy logs in general
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| 12:57 | <COA-MikeyB> I just heard about it. I live here in Bar Harbor (25 min from SW Harbor)
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| 12:58 | <Gadi> COA-MikeyB: should be about a dozen of us there
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| 12:58 | give or take
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| 13:00 | <Lns> lol, a cybertent? :p
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| 13:00 | <Nubae> heh... ubuntu.com meltdown...
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| 13:02 | <sbalneav> COA-MikeyB: Yup, I'm going to be there
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| 13:02 | <cliebow> Hey Mikey!!
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| 13:02 | <COA-MikeyB> Cool.
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| 13:03 | Hey there cliebow
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| 13:03 | <cliebow> Howdy!..Gkad you made it..
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| 13:03 | <sbalneav> Gadi: ldm.log's not useful?
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> sbalneav: only because the rest of ldm is so good...
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| 13:04 | * Gadi creeps away | |
| 13:04 | <Gadi> before he puts foot in mouth
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| 13:04 | <cliebow> COA-MikeyB, probably you picked the wrong week to stop drinking 8~)
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| 13:04 | <sbalneav> I agree it should log to syslog though.
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| 13:04 | I can patch that up at BTS
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> sbalneav: we spoke about this a bit in portland iirc
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| 13:05 | <COA-MikeyB> I am always prepared for a drink,
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| 13:05 | <Gadi> we should discuss more in Maine
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| 13:05 | <sbalneav> Gadi: right, I think it's just a case of doing it.
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| 13:05 | <Gadi> well, also about whether to expand the use of ldm.log or not and where to provide a dialog to view it from the client
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| 13:05 | <sbalneav> I'm always stymied by the process. I could convert LDM to syslog in like, the next half hour. :)
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| 13:05 | <Gadi> that sort of thing
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| 13:06 | <Lns> for you ubuntu folks.. here's the new entry: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/TCSyslogToLTSPServer
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| 13:06 | <sbalneav> C's never the problem for me.
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| 13:07 | <Gadi> brb
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| 13:07 | <cliebow> COA-MikeyB, you do any coding?
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| 13:07 | <sbalneav> I'd say viewing on the TC's a nice to have, but it'd be simply much, MUCH more useful to have it just go to the server. It's a dead easy fix.
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| 13:07 | <ogra> sbalneav, can you implement that as a backend function ? my new greeter has a lot of theme debugging functions, i could make that lts.conf switchable
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| 13:08 | <sbalneav> Sure, we could just have a "log" function that either goes to a file, or server.
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| 13:08 | <COA-MikeyB> I am not a coder. I am a scripter at best.
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| 13:08 | <ogra> right
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| 13:09 | <COA-MikeyB> cliebow, I have managed coding projects and modded scripts for it, etc.
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| 13:09 | cliebow, I am trying to figure out if I know you or not.
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| 13:09 | <cliebow> i know just enough to be dangerous
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| 13:10 | google for chuck liebow..i am the guy with the parrot
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| 13:10 | <cliebow> you know Andrew Peterson?
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| 13:10 | <COA-MikeyB> Yup.
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| 13:11 | <cliebow> I mentored him in the boating usiness
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| 13:11 | <COA-MikeyB> I used to be the Tech Coordinator/teacher for the Dedham School though from 99-2002 and I teach the summer education technology class at UMO normally.
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| 13:11 | <COA-MikeyB> I was thinking I knew you from one of those parts of my life.
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| 13:12 | <cliebow> i been at ehs since 2000..but part time since i run boat in the summer..
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| 13:12 | <COA-MikeyB> I also did my student teaching at Ellworth High with Chuck Whitney back in 99 also.
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| 13:14 | <cliebow> i did mine at tremont..
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| 13:14 | in err..99/?
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| 13:15 | <ogra> Lns, you are aware that TCSyslogToLTSPServer is completely stating defaults ?
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| 13:15 | <Lns> ogra: well, yes, besides actually enabling syslogd -r on the server
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| 13:15 | i'll put that fact in though
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| 13:15 | <ogra> Lns, the /etc/default/syslogd is overriden by /etc/ltsp/syslog
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| 13:15 | <Lns> ...oh
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| 13:15 | <ogra> if ltsp-server doesnt ship it, then there is a bug
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| 13:16 | <Lns> if ltsp-server doesn't ship /etc/ltsp/syslog ?
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| 13:16 | <ogra> SERVER and SYSLOG_SERVER default to the bootserver
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| 13:16 | <Nubae> well it doesnt set -r by defaqult
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| 13:16 | should it?
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| 13:16 | <Lns> that wouldn't be a good idea imho
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| 13:17 | <ogra> /etc/ltsp/syslog should set -r by default, yes
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| 13:17 | <Lns> unless it specified the same subnet as the TC DHCP range
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| 13:17 | ogra: i've never seen /etc/ltsp/syslog
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| 13:17 | the only file i've ever seen by default in /etc/ltsp is dhcpd.conf
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| 13:17 | <Nubae> and I've never seen /etc/default/syslogd set -r by default
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| 13:17 | <ogra> hm, it should be there
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| 13:18 | <Lns> nope
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| 13:18 | :p
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| 13:18 | <Nubae> yeah Lns is right
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| 13:18 | not in intrepid either
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| 13:18 | <ogra> damned
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| 13:18 | <Lns> lol
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| 13:18 | * Lns wonders what other /etc/ltsp gems are left out | |
| 13:18 | <ogra> none
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| 13:18 | syslog is the only one
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| 13:19 | <Nubae> ogra: btw I changed the ltspquickinstall page to reflect intrepid
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| 13:19 | <Lns> i guess it wouldn't be a good idea to put in nbdswapd.conf by default either then.. ?
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| 13:19 | <ogra> Nubae, yeah, thanks for that
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| 13:19 | i saw it (i'm subscribed)
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| 13:19 | <cliebow> Moblin project has already demonstrated a five second boot at the Linux Foundation’s recent Plumbers conference.
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| 13:19 | ?
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| 13:20 | <ogra> cliebow, yeah, with a lot of cheating
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| 13:20 | <cliebow> i thought as much
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| 13:20 | <ogra> but they did
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| 13:20 | * Lns wishes the ubuntu wiki would revert to last viewed page after logging in | |
| 13:20 | <ogra> thats the fault of openid
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| 13:20 | <Nubae> is it like vista, where u wait another 5 minutes after the desktop shows up?
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| 13:21 | Lns: yeah! that is really annoying
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| 13:21 | <ogra> Nubae, nope, you have a "usable" desktop after 5 s
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| 13:21 | <ogra> but thats i.e. with a kernel that doesnt do sound or networking
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| 13:21 | <Nubae> oh
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| 13:22 | <ogra> lots and lots of fubctions ifdef'd out etc
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| 13:22 | <Lns> thats kind of useless for a lot of situations
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| 13:22 | <ogra> so indeed you can do that, but its not actually something for day to day use
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| 13:22 | <Nubae> well mobile phones dont really need that I guess
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| 13:22 | <Lns> "I can boot my leenux in 2 seconds!" "...So what can you do? " "...Ummm...."
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| 13:23 | <ogra> its for netbooks
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| 13:23 | <Nubae> yeah meant mobile devices
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| 13:23 | <ogra> its a matter of architecture
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| 13:23 | <Lns> ah..that's a good case i guess... like a linux pda
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| 13:23 | or netbook
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| 13:23 | <Nubae> but as they get bigger guess its totally silly to have no sound or networking
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| 13:23 | <ogra> if you take an arm CPU for example you only boot it once ever
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| 13:24 | it hs the clock separate from the processing unit in the cpu
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| 13:24 | <ogra> so the clock runs still if you put the device to sleep which means imediate wakeup
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| 13:25 | nothing you could do with intel
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| 13:26 | <Nubae> ogra: till when is Jaunty supported? and how long is intrepid ibex server supported?
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| 13:26 | <ogra> ibex -> 18months from now, jaunty 18 months from april :)
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| 13:26 | <Nubae> jaunty is I guess 18 months from launch (april)?
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| 13:27 | server though? also 18 months?
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| 13:27 | <ogra> yep
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| 13:27 | non lts releases all flavours only 18 months
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| 13:27 | <Nubae> oh, only LTS servers are supported longer
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| 13:27 | ok, easy to remember that...
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| 13:28 | <ogra> and lts is every two years
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| 13:28 | <Lns> ogra: what's your opinion on these time-based releases?
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| 13:28 | <ogra> i like them
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| 13:29 | <Lns> right on
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| 13:29 | <ogra> and i agree with mark that ligning up all oss software to the same schedule would win us the price
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| 13:30 | <Lns> ogra: lining up ALL OSS software to the same schedule? That sounds kind of demanding for the entire community to do that
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| 13:30 | <ogra> must not be 6 months, but having reliable and lined up schedules with the same setup of 2/3 development and 1/3 bugfixing only in a cycle would massively improve
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| 13:31 | <Nubae> ubuntu is the leader anyway so the others have to follow suit :-p
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| 13:31 | * Nubae hides.... | |
| 13:31 | <ogra> and as you can see, fedora aleady followed the model, kde did
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| 13:32 | if you would get kernel and x in such a line you could unebliveable stable and bugfree software
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| 13:32 | <dberkholz> ogra: where the prize is that every mirror hates all of you?
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| 13:33 | <ogra> dberkholz, well,, thats solveable
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| 13:33 | <COA-MikeyB> cya next week whoever is going to LTSP by the sea
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| 13:34 | * ogra cant :( | |
| 13:34 | <ogra> the first in 3 years :(
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| 13:35 | everyone please have a drink with ragnar on my behalf
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| 13:35 | <Lns> Nubae: lol...yes, Ubuntu is the leader.
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| 13:35 | <Gadi> ogra: u bet
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| 13:35 | <johnny> some stuff takes longer to come together..
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| 13:35 | * Gadi is gonna find a bottle of Papy Van Winkles | |
| 13:36 | <Gadi> maybe in NH on my way up
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| 13:37 | <ogra> :)
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> any word on whether ragnar needs a lift from nyc?
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| 13:39 | * ogra has no clue | |
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| 13:44 | <Gadi> !seen mistik1
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| 13:44 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: mistik1 was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours, 52 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <mistik1> take care Jim
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| 13:44 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 13:45 | <Lns> Where do the TC logs go on the server when remote logging is enabled? I can't find anything in /var/log...
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| 13:46 | Is it in the standard files? If so, I don't see anything for my TC :(
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| 13:48 | <ogra> syslog
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| 13:48 | <Nubae> when does the next release name get decided (after Jaunty I mean?)
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| 13:48 | <ogra> no idea
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| 13:48 | onl mark can tell
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| 13:48 | :)
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| 13:48 | <Nubae> heh
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| 13:49 | <Lns> ogra: weird. i wonder if i have to restart (and not reload) sysklogd
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| 13:49 | <ogra> i usually restart it
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| 13:49 | oh, yeah, you have to
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| 13:50 | the option gets handed over to the server process as commandline option, its not a config file
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| 13:50 | <Lns> ah... /me goes to mod the wiki page
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| 13:50 | <ogra> so it cant just re-read, the process needs to be started newly
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| 13:50 | <Lns> sounds sane enough i guess!
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| 13:50 | <stgraber> ogra: I just received my EEE 1000, looks really good :)
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| 13:50 | <sbalneav> When I want to rebuild a package with a custom patch, and I want to give it a custom name, what file is it again I modify? debian/changelog?
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| 13:50 | <stgraber> ogra: Installing Ubuntu on it now
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| 13:50 | <ogra> cool
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| 13:50 | <Lns> stgraber: ooo!
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| 13:51 | <stgraber> that's Atheros wireless and Gigabit ethernet :)
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| 13:51 | <ogra> stgraber, tried -umpc on it ?
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| 13:51 | <stgraber> ogra: nope, I'll maybe multi-boot it afterwards, for now I just install a standard Ubuntu (it also has a standard HDD)
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| 13:52 | <Nubae> oooh... e 1000 so its nice, not too big?
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| 13:52 | * Lns still likes the 701 for the speaker placement...makes a good grabbing surface as well :p | |
| 13:52 | <stgraber> Nubae: no, we compared with a Acer One we have here and it's really not that much bigger
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| 13:52 | <ogra> well, its one apt-get remove --purge with a set of packages to to turn -umpc into normal ubuntu
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| 13:52 | <stgraber> Nubae: and I love the non-glossy display
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| 13:52 | <Nubae> oh yeah, nice for people snooping what u are doing
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| 13:53 | <ogra> i used it for my GFs MSI wind clone last weekend
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| 13:53 | <stgraber> ogra: the Wind would have been my first choice but that Asus has the same hardware and was 100$ cheaper
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| 13:54 | (and took one day from order to deliver)
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| 13:54 | <ogra> well, clone :)
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| 13:54 | its actually medion branded
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| 13:54 | <Nubae> ah... the one hofer was selling
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| 13:54 | <ogra> so it was 369
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| 13:54 | <stgraber> hehe
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| 13:54 | <ogra> with 120G HDD
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| 13:54 | <Nubae> or whateer hoffer is in Germany
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| 13:54 | <Lns> stgraber: how's the performance vs. the 701?
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| 13:54 | <stgraber> medion, that german+swiss brand (I don't think we find it anywhere else)
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| 13:54 | <ogra> yeah
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| 13:54 | <Nubae> Austria ;-)
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| 13:55 | <ogra> in germany its the std ALDI sells
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| 13:55 | <stgraber> Lns: I received it an hour ago, though the lack of SSD will probably make things a bit slower
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| 13:55 | <Nubae> right Aldi is german hoffer
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| 13:55 | or better said, hoffer is German Aldi
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| 13:55 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:55 | <stgraber> ogra: in Switzerland COOP is selling Medion
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| 13:55 | <ogra> yeah, we dont have COOP here
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| 13:55 | <Lns> stgraber: ah so you got the (H) model.. http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/03/asus-eee-pc-1000-vs-atom-based-901-vs-original-701-fight/ says it can get up to a 40GB ssd
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| 13:55 | <ogra> died a century ago
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| 13:56 | Lns, if you can pay it :)
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| 13:56 | <Lns> integrated bluetooth is awesome =)
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| 13:56 | <ogra> well, dongles are also ok if you have enough spare usb ports
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| 13:56 | * ogra has a really tiny dongle for his lappie | |
| 13:56 | <Lns> ogra: i love the 701 for its 3 USB ports
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| 13:57 | * Lns does too | |
| 13:57 | <Nubae> I appreciate SD and MMC cards now...
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| 13:57 | carry an ubuntu desktop in my wallet
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| 13:57 | <ogra> the advantage of a dongle is that you can easily buy something better, with builtin stuff you are bound to the manufacturers choices
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| 13:57 | <Lns> ogra: the SSD version is only about $30 US more..not a big deal, althoguh you get half the space =) I love mine because of the peace of mind of an SSD vs. moving hdd platters...i never have to worry about dropping it :p
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| 13:58 | <sbalneav> I'm trying to rebuild the cups package to solve a problem.
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| 13:58 | * ogra has an ubuntu live on his mobile phone micro SD | |
| 13:58 | <sbalneav> So...
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| 13:58 | I do an apt-get build-dep cupsys
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| 13:58 | a-ok
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| 13:58 | <Nubae> ogra: me too, cept its in my wallet not in my phone
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| 13:58 | <ogra> intrepid ?
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| 13:58 | or hardy ?
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| 13:58 | <sbalneav> Harrrrrrdy
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| 13:58 | <ogra> ah
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| 13:58 | because in intrepid it was renamed to cups
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| 13:59 | <sbalneav> then apt-get source cupsys
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| 13:59 | that's oK too
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| 13:59 | so, thinking to make sure that things work in the "default" state:
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| 13:59 | I do a
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| 13:59 | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
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| 14:00 | <sbalneav> which should, in theory, build the exact same packages we've got installed.
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| 14:00 | <ogra> debian/rules clean might use autoconf or some such, whats the error ?
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| 14:01 | <ltsppbot> "sbalneav" pasted "cupsys unhappyness" (23 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/80
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| 14:01 | <ogra> damned, i would like to get through to cdimage.ubuntu.com .....
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| 14:01 | <sbalneav> it builds fine, but doesn't pass the tests.
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| 14:01 | <ogra> i dont even know if my image landed at the right place, the url was immediately unreachable after release announcement
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| 14:01 | * Lns loves getting near first post on slashdot stories | |
| 14:02 | <ogra> sbalneav, err, you are root ?
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> yup
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| 14:02 | should I not be?
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| 14:02 | <ogra> never build packages as root
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| 14:02 | beyond that, the fakeroot would be useless there then ;)
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 14:02 | I'll try it as non-root
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| 14:03 | <Nubae> ogra: yeah noticed ubuntu.com is pretty much in a black hole right now
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| 14:03 | <ogra> but i dont think thats your error
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| 14:03 | sbalneav, checked /tmp/cups-root/log ?
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| 14:03 | <sbalneav> yeah.
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| 14:04 | <ogra> wht does it say ?
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| 14:04 | <sbalneav> here's what's in "error"
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| 14:04 | root@feniks:/tmp/cups-root/log# cat error_log
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| 14:04 | I [30/Oct/2008:13:54:53 -0500] Saving job cache file "/tmp/cups-root/share/job.cache"...
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| 14:05 | So, if it's not building the package because it's getting an informational message, /me is sad-face.
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| 14:05 | But I'll try first as non root
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| 14:05 | <ogra> yeah, but i doubt that fixes it
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| 14:05 | <sbalneav> Also, look at the report. Got 0 errors, expected 9
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| 14:06 | 0 debug messages, expect more than 0
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| 14:06 | so it's like it's EXPECTING to fail, it works perfectly, and then fails to build because of that :)
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| 14:06 | It's TOO good
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| 14:07 | lol
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| 14:07 | <ogra> no, its expecting to see debug code output
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| 14:07 | well, FAIL: 0 error messages, expected 9.
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| 14:07 | it expects 9 :)
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| 14:07 | <sbalneav> rebuilding as a non-priv'd user
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| 14:08 | uno momento
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| 14:13 | lol, now that's failing because of root droppings in /tmp I don't have permission to. :)
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| 14:13 | <ogra> clean that up
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| 14:14 | i guess thats stale crap from the former build
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| 14:14 | you should really use pbuilder
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| 14:14 | though it costs extra time
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| 14:14 | but you can be sure to have a clean build env all the time
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| 14:16 | <sbalneav> I don't know why I'm so (&6(^&%#( stupid that I can't seem to keep all this packaging stuff in my head. Everytime I do something, it's like I start over from scratch. "What the *&^ am I supposed to do again?!" I keep asking myself. Sigh, senility's catching up with me early.
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| 14:17 | Oh! It built that time. OK, that was it: don't be root.
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| 14:18 | ok. so, if I craft a .dpatch file, and just dump it in debian/patches, do I need to do anything else?
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| 14:18 | other than the rebuild, of course
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| 14:20 | <ogra> make sure the package uses dpatch first :)
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| 14:20 | <sbalneav> Seems to, since all the other patches for it are .dpatch
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| 14:20 | looks like I have to list it in 00files in debian/patches as well.
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| 14:21 | * Lns 's brand new (used) server hdd crashed, after 2 full days of working on it :( | |
| 14:24 | <Nubae> ogra: who is responsible for the topic header in #edubuntu?
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| 14:24 | <ogra> oh
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| 14:24 | err
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| 14:24 | me
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| 14:24 | <Nubae> should reflect intrepid and the irc meeting
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| 14:24 | <ogra> damnit
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| 14:24 | <Nubae> and maybe take out the september meeting :p
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| 14:26 | <ogra> do it yourself :)
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| 14:27 | * ogra just discovered the bbc plugin in totem | |
| 14:27 | <ogra> WOW !
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| 14:28 | <Nubae> yeah except didn't work for me :-(
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| 14:28 | well not for radio 1 at least
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| 14:28 | which is what I really wanted to listen to
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| 14:28 | <ogra> oh, it has radio as well ?
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| 14:28 | * ogra only tried the TV channels yet | |
| 14:33 | <Q-FUNK> bbc plug-in?
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| 14:34 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, yeah, totem in intrepid comes by default with it
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| 14:43 | and with a youtube plugin
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| 14:45 | <Q-FUNK> youtube plugin was alreay there in hardy
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| 14:45 | lower quality than the non-free plugin but quite nice to view youtube quickly
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| 14:46 | <ogra> ah, i didnt know
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| 14:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: a question about the bridge created on initialization of an ltsp server in Fedora: why does it create a network bridge instead of just using a specific interface?
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| 14:52 | and what are the ramifications of bypassing the bridge?
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| 14:52 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: all of the services can be enabled safely without worry of fucking a network
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| 14:52 | _UsUrPeR_: you can disable the bridge and reconfigure things on a real interface if you want
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| 14:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: do you watch/have you watched the HBO series "Deadwood"?
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| 14:53 | <warren> no
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| 14:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok. Thanks for the answer.
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| 14:54 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: the network bridge also makes it easy to attach multiple interfaces to it
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| 14:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: this all makes sense
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| 15:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: Not that I am purposely wanting to destroy your handywork, which I admit appears more useful than not, but a customer has requested that the bridge be removed if possible. how is the bridge permanently removed? I have removed all references from /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ and there is no mention of the interface in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/, yet on reboot the persistent bastard is back. I have also deleted the bridge in System>Admini
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| 15:11 | stration>Network.
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| 15:12 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: shit... you're right
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| 15:12 | I didn't design a way to remove it.
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| 15:13 | _UsUrPeR_: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ltspbr0 is installed by the package. what happens if you blank that file?
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| 15:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> does removing the file in it's entirety count?
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| 15:14 | <Nubae> damn now edubuntu.org is black holed too
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| 15:14 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: a package upgrade will restore the file if you remove it
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| 15:14 | Nubae: huh?
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| 15:15 | Nubae: because Ubuntu shipped 8.10 with the broken TCP kernel thing?
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| 15:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: so running yum update will fix this issue?
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| 15:16 | <Nubae> no because everyone is hitting the site for downloads :-)
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| 15:16 | its release day
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| 15:16 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: If you delete that file, it might "fix" the issue if you want to get rid of hte bridge, but it will magically reappear later to fuck you when a package update happens.
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| 15:16 | * Q-FUNK is gonna wait until 8.10.1 | |
| 15:17 | <Nubae> bad taste from 8.04 eh?
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| 15:17 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: otoh if you aren't using the 172.31.100.x range for anything else, you can just ignore it and reconfigure the services to use network ranges on your real interfaces.
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| 15:17 | <Nubae> Q-FUNK: tomorrow I travel to Graz to drop off the 30 xos and thin can...
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| 15:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: if the interface is not ltsp-br0, they are virbr0. Does this still fall under your realm of expertise?
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| 15:21 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: I think there is an understanding disconnect here
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| 15:22 | _UsUrPeR_: virbr0 and ltspbr0 have their own private network ranges and shouldn't bother you at all if you don't do anything in that network range.
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| 15:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> I understand that fully. virbr0 is actually on a network C-class that the company as a whole uses, and I can find no way to manage it, nor remove it.
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| 15:23 | <Q-FUNK> Nubae: oh, nice
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| 15:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> ltsp-br0 was never in existence on the server. Just virbr0.
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| 15:24 | and it's taken up the address of 192.168.122.1 which is in the company's scop of use
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| 15:36 | <ogra> warren, yes, we have put a TCP breakage in 8.10, its called "release day overload feature" ;)
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| 15:37 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: virbr0 is created by the libvirt service
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| 15:37 | _UsUrPeR_: if they don't plan on using libvirt or xen, they should turn off that service
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| 15:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: thank you very much. I will inquire, but I assume xen will not see any use.
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| 15:51 | <johnny> ogra, i got all 3 versions i needed :)
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| 15:51 | even seeded the torrent for hours
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| 15:51 | <ogra> cool
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| 15:51 | <johnny> ppc,amd64,i386
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| 15:51 | <ogra> yeah, ubuntu would be dead for weeks without torrents :)
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| 15:52 | <johnny> i was able to download the ppc cd over a few hours from the site..
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| 15:52 | * ogra still gets no trace of http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ :) | |
| 15:52 | <johnny> since the torrent semeed unseeded
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| 15:52 | <ogra> yeah, ppc hasnt much activity
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| 15:52 | not even from the community
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| 15:52 | i guess even cell has more atm
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| 15:53 | (we have a good bunch of active cell developers)
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| 15:56 | <Nubae> ogra: on the Getting Started page of edubuntu.org, there is still a whole guide on installing dapper drake, and nothing for the add-on cd and ltsp server, shall I replace the dapper drake stuff?
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| 15:56 | <ogra> yeah
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| 15:56 | <Nubae> question for u on #edubuntu too :D
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| 15:57 | <ogra> best to just use the HardyClassroomServer page abd s/hardy/intrepid/ or so
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| 15:58 | <sbalneav> \o/ I have a .dpatch that fixes multi-bin printing in Hardy
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| 15:58 | <ogra> great
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| 15:58 | <sbalneav> Now all I have to do is file a proper/find a proper bug report, and post it.
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| 16:04 | <warren> crap...
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| 16:04 | "ip addr show to 0/0 scope global"
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| 16:04 | the syntax of this command changed in the latest version of iproute
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| 16:04 | <johnny> warren, i mentioned this to you :)
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| 16:05 | a few months ago :)
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| 16:05 | when stealing your tftp stuff
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| 16:05 | <warren> johnny: what was your solution?
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| 16:05 | <johnny> i went back to ifconfig :)
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| 16:05 | i don't really know how to use iproute2
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| 16:05 | never used it manually
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| 16:05 | i just use networkmanager.. or my distro's init scripts .. or ifconfig on the cli
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| 16:08 | <warren> hmm, I suppose I only need to change it to:
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| 16:09 | ip addr show scope global
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| 16:13 | <ogra> haha
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| 16:13 | <alkisg> The Ubuntu live cd/installer sure makes a good impression... One can chat while formatting/installing! :)
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| 16:13 | * ogra took me weeks to get libflashsupport removed from ubuntu for intrepid | |
| 16:13 | <sbalneav> ogra: There a webpage that points out the SRU process
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| 16:14 | <warren> ogra: why remove?
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| 16:14 | <ogra> and i just noticed that it returned with a different name from debian
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| 16:14 | <warren> The Solaris installer takes so long, that they provide you a browser to use during the install.
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| 16:14 | <ogra> warren, because flash 10 works fine without
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| 16:14 | intrepid uses 10
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| 16:15 | but seems debian packages its own version now, called flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
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| 16:15 | which now sits in ubuntu multiverse ...
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| 16:16 | no way to get rid of that damn thing
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| 16:16 | <warren> You can blame me for the existence of it
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| 16:16 | muhahhaa
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| 16:17 | <ogra> hehe
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| 16:17 | well, nothing uses it
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| 16:17 | our flash installer doesnt depend on it ... if users istall it its their own fault
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| 16:17 | still ... that thing is sticky like dog****
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| 16:18 | <warren> dog**** is not sticky
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| 16:18 | try natto
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| 16:18 | <ogra> lol
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| 16:18 | <sbalneav> Ok, all, heading home.
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| 16:18 | <Nubae> libflashsupport saved me in the school I was working with... soundless stations are not things teachers take kindly to
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| 16:18 | <sbalneav> Be on later tonight.
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| 16:19 | <ogra> yeah, it was ok for flash 7
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| 16:19 | but broke with 9
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| 16:19 | <alkisg> ogra, what if a user just clicks yes on "A plugin is required to view this page. Do you want to install it?" from within firefox? Is it the same as installing it from synaptic?
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| 16:19 | <ogra> yep
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> ok then, noone will use the other one.. :)
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| 16:20 | <ogra> right
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| 16:20 | sadly youtube doesnt trigger it properly ... video.google.com does though
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| 16:21 | though the knowledgeable ubuntu user will just go to add/remove and install ubuntu-restricted-extras and get everything in one go
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| 16:21 | from m3 to flash
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| 16:21 | *mp3
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| 16:21 | <alkisg> Ooops... didn't know that one!
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| 16:22 | <ogra> it installs decss, flash, sun java, msttcorefonts and a ton of ugly codecs
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| 16:22 | <alkisg> Uh... no java for me, thanks! :D
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| 16:23 | It's quite OK on Linux, but I had traumatic experiences with it while on Windows
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| 16:23 | <Nubae> would be nice if it installed googleearth... all schools want that and teh medibuntu one never works properly
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| 16:24 | <ogra> googleearth-package - utility to automatically build a Debian package of Google Earth
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| 16:24 | ;)
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| 16:24 | <Nubae> oh... learn something new every day :D
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| 16:28 | <alkisg> Nubae, does google earth run fast on your ltsp setups? What graphics cards do you use?
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| 16:29 | <Nubae> I use it only with fat clients
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| 16:30 | ltsp fat clients
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| 16:31 | <alkisg> Well, my cards are very old, and my thin clients older (no way to make them fat), and I could only make it run OK with a newer nvidia + the proprietary drivers in the chroot... :(
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| 16:33 | <Nubae> sounds about right, though if u had fat client, u probably dont need as powerful graphics cards
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| 16:37 | <gate_keeper_> ogra: 1 question. With fat client, if user needs more than 256MBram thats installed on the thin client, does he take the rest of the memory from the server ? :)
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| 16:38 | <ogra> no idea, Nubae is your man for fat clients, i have no clue if it uses nbd swapping or something
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| 16:38 | <gate_keeper_> k,thx
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| 16:39 | <ogra> but its trivial to set up i guess
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| 16:46 | <gate_keeper_> builds nbd image via new chroot /opt/ltsp
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| 16:46 | afaik
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| 16:50 | <Nubae> yes fatclient usees nbd
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| 16:50 | its just a modified chroot building script
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| 16:50 | www.nubae.com - check fatclient link
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| 16:51 | it can use swapping if u want it to, though its not set up that way on default, default it uses local swap
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| 16:52 | <gate_keeper_> u mean server swap or .. ?
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| 16:53 | <Nubae> yeah sorry...
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| 16:53 | <gate_keeper_> :)
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| 16:53 | k
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| 16:53 | <Nubae> local on the server :p ltsp still trips me up some times
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| 16:53 | <gate_keeper_> :)
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| 18:26 | * Lns just got back from a school where nbd_swap issues are causing thinclients to take ~3-5 minutes to boot | |
| 18:26 | <Lns> :(
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| 18:27 | <Nubae> Lns: I recently remember reading that that was now fixed, was it not?
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| 18:27 | <Lns> Nubae: is it fixed in intrepid?
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| 18:28 | <Nubae> think so
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| 18:28 | <Lns> heh..go figure
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| 18:28 | * Lns needs a backport to hardy | |
| 18:28 | <Lns> or SRU
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| 18:29 | <loather-work> ok. what happened to using version numbers to describe releases?
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| 18:30 | <dberkholz> that was too easy to keep track of
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| 18:30 | just like naming software in a way that you can actually figure out what it does
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| 18:30 | <loather-work> apparently, heh
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| 18:30 | <Lns> hey at least its not v 2008
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| 18:31 | <dberkholz> at least you know whether v2008 is before or after v2007
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| 18:31 | <loather-work> well, in that defense, the ubuntu releases are alphabetical
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| 18:31 | the next release will be jumping jackrabbit or something equally as silly
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| 18:31 | <Nubae> and increasing in dexterity, lol
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| 18:31 | <Lns> dberkholz: are you talking about ubuntu?
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| 18:31 | <Nubae> jaunty jackalope actually
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| 18:32 | <loather-work> ok scratch that: infinitely more silly.
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| 18:32 | <Lns> Nubae: you wouldn't wanna look up where you read nbd_swap was fixed do ya?
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| 18:32 | It could really help me out...all of my teachers and lab techs are about to say f*ck Ubuntu over it
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| 18:32 | <Nubae> well there is some method to the madness... with every release the animals become more elegant
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| 18:33 | ie... warty warthog was pretty bad
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| 18:33 | because it wasnt refined yet
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| 18:33 | whereas hardy heron and intrepid ibex are a little more decent
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| 18:33 | dont know about jaunty though.... that seems to be slipping the upward mobility
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| 18:44 | <jammcq> hey friends
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| 18:49 | <Nubae> Lns: I'll look, just finishing some edubuntu.org editing
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| 18:49 | <Lns> Nubae: thank you
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| 18:49 | hey jammcq !
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| 18:50 | Mr. DW himself
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| 18:50 | heh
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| 18:50 | (I think, right?)
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| 18:51 | <jammcq> hey Lns
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| 18:51 | I'm no longer with DisklessWorkstations.com
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| 18:54 | <Lns> jammcq: ah ok
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| 18:54 | Who here all uses nbd_swap? How many clients do you use at a time with it turned on?
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| 18:57 | <loather-work> i use nbd swap
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| 18:57 | i've got 30 clients in one warehouse
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| 18:57 | but then, my terminals don't swap
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| 18:57 | ever
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| 18:57 | or if they do it's only to reorder RAM
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| 18:58 | <Lns> loather-work: do you ever reboot the client all at once?
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| 18:58 | <loather-work> yeah, facility has power problems
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| 18:58 | happens 1-2 times a week
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| 18:58 | <Lns> loather-work: do you ever notice them hanging while negotiating nbd swap during bootup?
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| 18:58 | <loather-work> nope
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| 18:58 | they pass that part right up without a problem
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| 18:59 | <Lns> loather-work: what distro?
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| 18:59 | <loather-work> of course, i'm using a bastard version of ltsp
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| 18:59 | <Lns> ah
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| 18:59 | <loather-work> the terminals are running the ubuntu 6.10 tarball that used to be on ltsp.org
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| 18:59 | and the host is fedora 8
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| 18:59 | <Lns> Ryan52: ah, the guy who helped me identify some issues in the first place :p
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| 19:00 | hrm... well I'm pretty sure the issues are lying around line 27 in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup, that's where it dd's the swapfile on the server during client bootup
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| 19:01 | Whenever I boot more than 2 workstations at a time, the server chokes while dd creates the files in /tmp
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| 19:01 | they're only 256mb files, and the server is a dual quadcore xeon 3.0ghz...so...
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| 19:01 | <Ryan52_> vagrantc: well, I was gonna try and fix that bug that I made (that one error on cleanup), but I still can't get my laptop's virtual machines to work, and my main home developement computer is lagging like crazy because apparently checking out the entire pkg-perl repo takes a lot of processor time...anyway, here's an untested patch that should fix it, if you wanna test it: http://slexy.org/raw/s20hAVmRTO
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| 19:02 | <loather-work> oh, my terminals have a 32M swap
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| 19:03 | <loather-work> Lns: are you using software raid?
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| 19:03 | <Lns> loather-work: nope, it's hardware raid
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| 19:03 | <loather-work> ok. reboot the server with elevator=deadline and see if that behaviour goes away
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| 19:04 | <Lns> loather-work: elevator=deadline? What's that?
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| 19:06 | <loather-work> stick it in your kernel command line. what looks like is happening is i/o starvation.
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| 19:07 | deadline is a more efficient scheduler for multiple access patterns which are common on terminal servers
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| 19:07 | <Lns> loather-work: wow, ok...i'll have to try that when i'm onsite
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| 19:07 | thanks
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| 19:07 | <loather-work> welcome. it's increased the performance of a lot of boxes i use
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| 19:08 | i personally feel it to be a better scheduler for most uses than cfq.
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| 19:08 | cfq is great on a desktop, but kinda blows on a server
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| 19:08 | and don't even bother with the anticipatory scheduler
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| 19:08 | <vagrantc> Ryan52_: thanks. will give it a try tomorrow.
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| 19:09 | <Lns> loather-work: i've never really delved into kernel scheduling..i'll take your word for it ;)
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| 19:11 | <loather-work> well, this is I/O scheduling :)
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| 19:11 | kernel scheduling is a whole other ball of wax :)
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| 19:11 | (process scheduling, that is)
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| 19:11 | <Lns> ah
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| 19:11 | * Lns stands corrected | |
| 19:11 | <Lns> Jeez..and in my little world i thought i knew a lot about linux
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| 19:12 | i'm consistantly humbled by people around here
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| 19:15 | <Nubae> Lns: u do, #ltsp is just full of freaks :p
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| 19:15 | <Lns> heh ;) good place for me to be then
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| 19:21 | <ltsppbot> "Lns" pasted "nbd_swap setup in ltsp-client-setup (Ubuntu Hardy)" (46 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/81
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| 19:22 | <Lns> So that's the swap configuration for clients when they boot... Ryan52 already helped me identify the bashism (quotes needed) in there somewhere..but that "for i in 0 1 2 3 ..." still causes lots of hanging. I hope that elevator=deadline helps with that
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| 19:23 | It's specifically during nbd "Negotiation" (client hangs at "Negotiation: " for 2-3 minutes)
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| 19:23 | then boots right up after that
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| 19:24 | I'm wondering, the: if [ -n $(ps ax|grep nbd$i) ]; then - line, without quotes....will that cause nbd_swap not to function at all?
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| 19:25 | since, without quotes, it returns "invalid operator" at the client... with it, it still just hangs at "Negotiation" but doesn't return the invalid operator (given the sh syntax is correct)
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| 19:28 | <loather-work> arguments to -n or -z should *always* be quoted
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| 19:29 | <Ryan52> arguements to everything should *always* be quoted.
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| 19:29 | there's not reason not to. and it just makes problems if you don't.
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| 19:31 | <loather-work> the shell often gets confused if you're doing numeric operations on quoted strings
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| 19:32 | <Lns> Could the absence of quotes be causing the function to fail and nbd_swap not to work?
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| 19:32 | <loather-work> if the output of the command is empty string, then yes
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| 19:33 | empty string != "" or ''
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| 19:34 | "" and '' are strings containing the empty string
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| 19:34 | (if that makes any sense)
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| 19:34 | <Lns> I couldn't imagine everyone requiring nbd_swap having this broken for them
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| 19:34 | loather-work: sure it does
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| 19:35 | oh well.. if you guys are interested, i have a (neglected) bug filed here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/281498
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| 19:35 | I might manually fix that quote issue at my sites and see if they stop locking so much client-side..it sucks big time having people call you about lockups like this, 1/3 of a class, each class
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| 19:36 | hrm...actually i've just checked one site and i did fix the quote issue, and they still report lockups...i need to verify swap is actually working at the client
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| 19:37 | it's gotta be something else
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| 19:38 | well i gotta run
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| 19:38 | thx all for the info
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| 19:44 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: hmm... with the patch applied, it still seems to give the same error.
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| 19:44 | (so much for testing tomorrow :)
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| 19:46 | <Ryan52> hrm. glib documentation says this:
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| 19:46 | Note
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| 19:46 | If list elements contain dynamically-allocated memory, they should be freed first.
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| 19:46 | that could fix it, though that would be a really weird error message if that were the problem.
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| 19:48 | okay, then I'll fix my dev machines and fix it later tonight.
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| 19:52 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: you using virtualbox for your dev machines?
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| 19:55 | <Ryan52> yes
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| 19:55 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: what's the problem with getting them working?
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| 19:56 | <Ryan52> it's not virtualbox related.
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| 19:56 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 19:56 | <Ryan52> it's that the linux system running in virtualbox is screwed up...
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| 19:59 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: so, you basically need to free each element in the list individually ?
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| 20:00 | <kleewyck> Would anyone know why after entering the boot parms (on the keyboard) an iMac after it's displayed the KDM login screen refuse to acknowlege the keybaord?
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| 20:00 | <Ryan52> vagrantc, I think that's unrelated.
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| 20:00 | <kleewyck> I have tried various keyboard parameters but nothing seems to make they keyboard responsive. I can change the focuse with the mouse. to the password box. just can't put anything in the fields.
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| 20:20 | ok, one more question. Any reason while I can get a greeter to come up on the ltsp client when I'm running kdm on the server and not with gdm?
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| 20:24 | <vagrantc> my guess would be KDM is configured to accept XDMCP and GDM isn't.
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| 20:28 | <loather-work> gdm is a whore. the new versions as shipped with fedora 9 (and presumably the newer ubuntus) are flat-out broken.
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| 20:35 | <kleewyck> I'm funning Ubuntu
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| 20:35 | funning? Running.
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| 20:36 | yes with KDM I enable xdmcp and set up the Xaccess. on GDM go to gdmsetup.. click the boxes.
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| 20:49 | <warren> Ryan52: have you seen the ldm crash after your latest patches?
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| 20:49 | Ryan52: after logout
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| 20:56 | <Ryan52> yes
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| 20:58 | my testing virtual machines broken themselves, so I have to start over before I can fix it...
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| 20:58 | and that's what I'm working on right now.
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| 21:15 | <warren> cool
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| 21:52 | <warren> Ryan52: I really need to tag ldm-trunk and ltsp-trunk in an hour or so.
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| 21:53 | Ryan52: If necessary I can rebuild again later if you checkin a ldm fix.
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| 21:54 | [warren@newcaprica ltsp-trunk]$ bzr diff
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| 21:54 | bzr: ERROR: [Errno 12] Cannot allocate memory
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| 21:54 | huh?...
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| 21:56 | <Ryan52> almost have my new test vm setup...should have the fix done and pushed sometime in the next hour. (it took a while to download debian..)
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| 22:04 | this is rediculous. all I had left to do was copy my old dhcpd configs from my old virtual machine. I try to boot it and I get a kernel panic. -_-
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| 22:05 | oh, after a reboot it only oopses...now it works. :P
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| 22:13 | <warren> Ryan52: ok, I can wait a short while
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| 22:42 | <warren> Ryan52: I moved ldminfod from ltsp-trunk to ldm-trunk, but you don't need to do anything differently if you don't build a new ltsp-trunk.
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| 22:42 | Ryan52: (at least for now, fixing ldm)
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| 22:42 | brb shower
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| 22:56 | <Ryan52> rediculous. after 2 mirrors failing with ltps-build-client, I got one to work. now that finished and all I needed to do was add another interface and reboot the vm. and now it doesn't boot.
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| 22:58 | <warren> Ryan52: virtualbox problems?
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| 22:58 | <Ryan52> I've tried on both my laptop and on my desktop computer.
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| 22:58 | <warren> Ryan52: tried kvm? upstream kernel, requires no non-standard kernel modules on the host
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| 22:58 | generally very stable
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| 22:59 | <Ryan52> I wonder if I can convert my disk image...it takes two hours to get a sid install and build an ltsp chroot.
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| 22:59 | <warren> I dunno
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| 23:00 | another drawback is you need to serve your dhcpd and ltsp services on a bridge
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| 23:00 | kvm needs to attach itself to that bridge, then you can PXE into yourself
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| 23:00 | Ryan52: where is the patch? I could test it myself
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| 23:00 | brb
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| 23:05 | <Ryan52> warren, http://slexy.org/raw/s2JEqWdJi3
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| 23:10 | if that doesn't work, then just comment out the g_free that's removed in the patch, test to make sure that works, and be done with it. then I'll work on getting a kvm environment going and fix it the right way later. anyway, it's not gonna hurt to be missing one g_free. We're probably accidently doing it other places...
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| 23:14 | <warren> Ryan52: extremely short on time, so just commenting it out for now
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| 23:14 | Ryan52: go ahead and fix it better later
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