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Channel log from 7 September 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:00 | <sbalneav> OK, FIF's in less than 6 hours. I need sleep.
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| 00:00 | Off to bed.
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| 00:00 | Night vagrantc_! See you tomorrow.
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| 06:13 | <SvenDowideit> hello - I'm having some trouble with ltsp5 on debian.
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| 06:13 | I installed as per the howto, and have my client pxe booting to gdm
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| 06:14 | but when i log in, it flickers (like its restarting X) and then goes back to gdm
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| 06:14 | <sbalneav> Monring all!
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| 06:14 | <ogra> gdm not ldm ? are you sure ?
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| 06:14 | <SvenDowideit> tbh, i'm not sure that its actually logging in - as i get the same result when i use a non-user
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| 06:14 | <sbalneav> It's FIF!!!!
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| 06:14 | <SvenDowideit> one mo :)
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| 06:14 | <ogra> !s
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| 06:14 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 06:15 | <SvenDowideit> yes,
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| 06:15 | there are several gdm processes running on the box
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| 06:15 | no ldm's
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| 06:15 | <ogra> on the client ?
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| 06:15 | <SvenDowideit> though it sure does not look likethe gdm screen on the main box
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| 06:16 | <ogra> note that we default to ldm ... gdm and XDMCP arent used in ltsp5
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| 06:16 | ok, then its ldm
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| 06:16 | <SvenDowideit> in that case... how do i tell?
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| 06:16 | <ogra> you are likely missing updated sshkeys in the client chroot, run ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 06:16 | <SvenDowideit> I'm having trouble finding docks on obvious things like user management
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| 06:16 | <ogra> you maintain your users on the server
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| 06:16 | <SvenDowideit> in which?
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| 06:17 | <ogra> with the tools available there
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| 06:17 | well, in ubuntu you just use the gnome user manager for example ... or adduser or whatever you prefer
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| 06:17 | <sbalneav> SvenDowideit: Which server are you running?
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| 06:17 | <SvenDowideit> i guess I've a problem?
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| 06:17 | quiet:/var/log# ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 06:17 | bash: ltsp-update-sshkeys: command not found
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| 06:18 | I followed the second part of http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 06:18 | <ogra> its part of the ltsp-server package, should be in /usr/sbin
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| 06:18 | <SvenDowideit> on testing
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| 06:19 | <SvenDowideit> mmmm, now thats extra bizzare
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| 06:19 | I've my client booted
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| 06:19 | but ltsp-server is not currently installed
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| 06:19 | sounds like i've made a big mess :(
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| 06:19 | <ogra> how did you run ltsp-build-client then ?
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| 06:19 | <SvenDowideit> yep
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| 06:20 | i'm wondering the same
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| 06:20 | <ogra> its also part of the ltsp-server package
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| 06:20 | <SvenDowideit> think i must have somehow installed ltsp-utils after i got everything set up
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| 06:20 | <ogra> thats ltsp4
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| 06:20 | <SvenDowideit> y, i read that somewhere too :)
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| 06:21 | ltsp-update-sshkeys runs instantly, and has no output
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| 06:21 | do i know how its done anything?
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| 06:21 | nope - same thing again - or do i have to reboot the client now?
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| 06:22 | <ogra> well, you obviously dont use ltsp5
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| 06:22 | <SvenDowideit> ?
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| 06:22 | <ogra> ltsp-utils was removed from ubuntu two release ago to prevent such stuff :(
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| 06:22 | <SvenDowideit> y, simple fix though
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| 06:23 | <ogra> i thought debian had fixed that as well
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| 06:23 | <SvenDowideit> re-install ltsp-server
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| 06:23 | seems not :(
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| 06:23 | <ogra> well, its very hard to fix, since ltsp-utils (ltsp 4 ) tewaks your system in non standard ways
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| 06:23 | <SvenDowideit> ah, wonderful :(
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| 06:24 | so i have it booting the client, but its unable to log in?
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| 06:25 | and odder, i don't seem to have any log files
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| 06:25 | (though - _are_ there any??)
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| 06:25 | <ogra> check ~/.xsession-errors of the user i'd say
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| 06:26 | <SvenDowideit> ooo, lots of "xrdb: Can't open display ''
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| 06:26 | "
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| 06:27 | <ogra> right, likely something with your servers desktop is wrong then
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| 06:27 | <SvenDowideit> mmm, i can log in on the server's X
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| 06:28 | <ogra> same user ?
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| 06:28 | <SvenDowideit> yup
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| 06:28 | mm, ok, an hour ago i could
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| 06:28 | better to check
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| 06:29 | yeah, that still works
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| 06:32 | is the fs on the client supposed to be ro?
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| 06:33 | when i log into the console on the client as root, and then ssh to the server, it can't write to /root/.ssh
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| 06:34 | <ogra> its supposed to only have necessary bits writeable
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| 06:34 | /root isnt among these
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| 06:35 | <SvenDowideit> cool :) is taht sort of thing doccoed somewhere?
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| 06:35 | i'm going to continue to presume i made a mess somewhere, but as its my vmware server, i can't just start fromscratch
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| 06:36 | mm, i can't log in on the console as one of my server users
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| 06:36 | should i be able to?
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| 06:38 | <sbalneav> no
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| 06:38 | <SvenDowideit> :}
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| 06:38 | <sbalneav> by console you mean a text login on the thin client?
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| 06:38 | <SvenDowideit> yup
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| 06:38 | <sbalneav> no, you can't
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| 06:39 | There's no active users on the thin client itself.
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| 06:39 | <SvenDowideit> i was wondering if that was a problem, thanks
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| 06:40 | so atm, from the .xsession-erros - it looks like i'm able to log in to the client ldm
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| 06:40 | but then it falls over
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| 06:40 | <sbalneav> With what?
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| 06:40 | <SvenDowideit> flicker flicker, and back to login
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| 06:41 | /usr/bin/ion3: No encoding given in LC_CTYPE.
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| 06:41 | >> Could not connect to X display ''
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| 06:41 | >> Refusing to start due to encountered errors.
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| 06:42 | I've tried most of the things on the video troubleshooting topic
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| 06:42 | <ogra> you are not using ldm ... you are using the old ltsp 4.2 (ltsp-utils)
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| 06:43 | <SvenDowideit> is there a way to confirm that?
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| 06:43 | <ogra> or a mishmash of 4.2 and 5
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| 06:43 | yes, you already did
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| 06:43 | <SvenDowideit> (as debian uninstalled the ltsp-utils package
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| 06:43 | when i reinstalled the server package
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| 06:43 | <ogra> that doesnt gain you anything
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| 06:43 | what you have set up in the beginning was ltsp 4.2
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| 06:43 | <SvenDowideit> no
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| 06:44 | <SvenDowideit> other way
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| 06:44 | i am pretty sure i set up 5, got stuff running
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| 06:44 | <ogra> just installing the ltsp-server package will rather do harm now
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| 06:44 | <SvenDowideit> and then added utils
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| 06:44 | guess there's one big q then.... how do i fixit ??
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| 06:49 | <sbalneav> "not easily" would be the answer.
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| 06:50 | At a bare minimum, I'd mv /opt/ltsp/ to /opt/oldltsp
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| 06:50 | <SvenDowideit> are there docs on how things should be?
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| 06:50 | <sbalneav> and do an ltsp-build-client from scratch
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| 06:50 | <SvenDowideit> roger :)
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| 06:50 | <sbalneav> The edubuntu handbook has lots of good ltsp5 information.
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| 06:50 | <SvenDowideit> that rebuilds the chrooted client?
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| 06:51 | <sbalneav> yes.
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| 06:51 | <SvenDowideit> I'm kinda curious how it all works - and where things get loged
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| 06:51 | <sbalneav> save the old one, though
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| 06:51 | just in case
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| 06:51 | <SvenDowideit> and so i' wondering what's on the server side too
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| 06:51 | <sbalneav> what do you mean?
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| 06:52 | <SvenDowideit> well, i didn't find a 'this is how it all works' doc
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| 06:52 | just alot of howto's that don't really give me an idea of what i _could_ do
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| 06:52 | <sbalneav> I just pointed you to it.
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| 06:52 | <SvenDowideit> thankyou then :)
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| 06:52 | * SvenDowideit clicks | |
| 06:53 | <SvenDowideit> (ok, on google)
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| 06:54 | <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
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| 06:54 | look there
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| 06:54 | <SvenDowideit> :)
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| 06:55 | <SvenDowideit> ooo, thats a good url :)
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| 06:55 | auth works, next step
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| 06:57 | now its different - I seem to have logged in, and have a black background (not the stippled grey one) and a big X as cursor
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| 06:57 | <SvenDowideit> ie, logged in, wm started, but didn't like it
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| 06:58 | ah well, thanks for those urls - time for some reading
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| 07:08 | <ogra> hmm, no jammcq
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| 07:33 | <Daggett> hi all
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| 07:33 | <sbalneav> Hello
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| 07:34 | <Daggett> I 'm having trouble setting up an USB printer on a terminal, I have searched for a solution, but I can't find any.
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| 07:35 | The printing device is not created on the terminal (/dev/usb/lp0)
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| 07:35 | and I can't find why.
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| 07:37 | I've set the parameters PRINTER_0_TYPE = U PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0
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| 07:38 | <sbalneav> Which version of ltsp?
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| 07:39 | <Daggett> 4.2
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| 07:40 | <sbalneav> I think it might be /dev/usblp0
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| 07:41 | <Daggett> sbalneav: there is no /dev/usblp0 as well, I did "modprobe usblp" on the terminal but nothing is happeneing
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| 07:42 | <sbalneav> do you get any dmesg output when you plug in the printer?
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| 07:43 | <Daggett> well, it's a distant LTSP installation, so I can't unplug/plug anything physically
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| 07:43 | that's why it's getting quiet hard
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| 07:44 | are there any mean to see if the printer is correctly plugged?
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| 07:44 | or if Linux did recognise it?
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| 07:45 | <sbalneav> Yeah, you'd have to check on a SCREEN_02=shell, and see if udev's recognizing the printer being plugged in.
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| 07:46 | <Daggett> sbalneav: I already have a SCREEN_02, and an sshd server running on the terminal, so I can connect to it and have a shell prompt
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| 07:47 | and I can't see any /dev/usblp0 or /dev/usb/lp0
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| 07:47 | nor module usblp
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| 07:47 | <sbalneav> check dmesg
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| 07:47 | <Daggett> so I modprobed the usblp module, but nothing happened
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| 07:47 | <sbalneav> maybe the usb port on that machine isn't enabled.
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| 07:48 | <Daggett> ok
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| 07:48 | sbalneav: yes, that's wise!
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| 07:48 | ;)
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| 07:50 | <Daggett> USB is enabled, and there are 1 USB mouse and a USB keyboard attached
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| 07:52 | <exodos> $ ltspfs salsa-10-1-0-53:/var/run/drives/VOYAGER /tmp/2
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| 07:52 | fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted
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| 07:52 | can anyone suggest something
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| 07:52 | user IS in the fuse group
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| 07:54 | running the same command from root acount works
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| 07:55 | <sbalneav> exodos: ls -al /dev/fuse
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| 07:56 | Daggett: Not sure then. Maybe the usb drivers simply don't recognize that printer. What kind of printer is it?
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| 07:56 | <exodos> crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 Sep 6 22:29 /dev/fuse
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| 07:56 | but Im using ldap auth
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| 07:57 | and I have two fuse groups: one local and one on the ldap server, bot with the same gid
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| 07:57 | ldap is before files in nsswitch.conf
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| 07:59 | <sbalneav> Well, I'd say the fact that fuse is defined in two places is mucking you up somehow,
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| 07:59 | <Daggett> sbalneav: HP SmartJet, with DirectJet Printing enabled
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| 08:01 | <Daggett> exodos: did you add the user in group fuse recently? and did you log out then log back in to get the new permissions for the user?
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| 08:02 | <sbalneav> Daggett: smartjet? That a win printer?
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| 08:02 | <Daggett> sbalneav: sorry, it's PhotoSmart
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| 08:03 | it was working with LTSP 4.2, and we upgraded the server, but not the LTSP-4.2 tree, and the printers don't work
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| 08:05 | <sbalneav> Well, if you didn't upgrade the 4.2 tree, then that part of it should still work.
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| 08:06 | So, if it used to work, and now it's not detecting, then you've touched SOMETHING in the 4.2 tree
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| 08:12 | <Daggett> sbalneav: I didn't but it may be a cups problem.
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| 08:12 | <sbalneav> but if /dev/usb/lp0 or /dev/usblp0 isn't there, then nothing's going to print.
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| 08:13 | <Daggett> sbalneav: ok, I have my /dev/usb/lp0 now and it's listenning on port 9100 (JetDirect service)
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| 08:13 | so it must be a cups problem
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| 08:15 | <sbalneav> So, what was it?
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| 08:18 | <Daggett> sbalneav: don't know...
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| 08:18 | maybe the printer itself was offline or something...
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| 08:20 | ok, I'm getting 1 of my 2 printers to work, it seems, that it was a cups problem... the URI of the printer was somewhat bizarre, I corrected it and it works
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| 08:20 | sbalneav: thank you for your help!
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| 08:20 | exodos: is your fuse problem solved?
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| 08:26 | <exodos> nope, and actually I don't know what else can I do
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| 08:26 | maybe reboot will solve the problem, but I have to wait with this
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| 08:37 | <fgiraldeau> hi sbalneav
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| 08:38 | <fgiraldeau> Will do the doc this evening, let's stay tuned.
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| 08:38 | <ogra> hey fgiraldeau
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| 08:39 | <fgiraldeau> hi there ogra!
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| 08:39 | <fgiraldeau> what's up?
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| 08:39 | <jammcq> hey francis
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| 08:39 | <sbalneav> hey fgiraldeau, thanks
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| 08:39 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:39 | <sbalneav> hey jammcq!
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| 08:39 | <ogra> jammcq, !
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| 08:39 | he's alive
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| 08:40 | <jammcq> hey ogra
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| 08:40 | <fgiraldeau> And so, how does the road to the release is going?
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| 08:40 | <jammcq> ogra: did you see my email?
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| 08:41 | <fgiraldeau> Is there any showstopers?
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| 08:41 | <sbalneav> fgiraldeau: Well, it's Fix It Friday. I've taken the day off work to work on bugs.
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| 08:41 | None that I know of.
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| 08:42 | <ogra> jammcq, yeah, i dont think we can take that as a license
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| 08:42 | <jammcq> yeah, I figured. we're sending them a GPL LICENSE file to see if they'll add it to the tarball
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| 08:42 | <ogra> jammcq, also *i* cant add anything they need to do it to their zip, tarball or whatever they provide
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| 08:42 | <jammcq> right
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| 08:42 | that's why we'll get THEM to add it
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| 08:42 | <ogra> yeah, thats a good idea
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| 08:43 | <jammcq> ogra: it takes time, cuz we're dealing with people in Taiwan and they are like 13 hours ahead of us. so we send an email, and it's almost saturday there
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| 08:44 | so maybe we'll hear back on monday
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| 08:44 | but we'll get it
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| 08:44 | <ogra> sounds good
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| 08:45 | <jammcq> lots of people will benefit from this
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| 08:45 | so that's good
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| 08:45 | <jammcq> hey chupy
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| 08:50 | <chupacabra> hidy jim. top of the morn
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| 08:50 | <jammcq> how's things down there in bush country?
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| 08:51 | <ogra> he's from texas ?
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| 08:51 | <jammcq> yeah, he sure is
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| 08:52 | he was the governator of texas
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| 08:52 | <ogra> i know that GwB is from there :)
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| 08:52 | <jammcq> oh, well chuppy is also from tx
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| 08:53 | he's down in Austin. BEAUTIFUL city, btw
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| 08:53 | that is, if you like to go out at night and listen to great music and drink beer.
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| 08:55 | * ogra heard that | |
| 08:55 | <ogra> i'm, still missing a lot of the US on my travel map :)
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| 08:56 | <jammcq> well, considering your first visit was just under 1 year ago, you are doing pretty well
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| 08:56 | <chupacabra> GW is not a texan.
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| 08:56 | <ogra> heh, yeah
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| 08:56 | <jammcq> chupacabra: we say he is
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| 08:57 | <chupacabra> I know.
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| 08:57 | <jammcq> he's definately not a Michigander
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| 08:57 | <chupacabra> oh well at least we know.
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| 08:57 | My GF is a michigander
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| 08:58 | <jammcq> wow, I wonder if I know her
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| 08:58 | <chupacabra> probably not.
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| 08:59 | <chupacabra> she is from Detroit though.
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| 09:00 | <jammcq> oh
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| 11:11 | <max__> Hi all, may I ask for a problem?
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| 11:12 | * ogra looks which of his problems he could give to max__ ... :) | |
| 11:12 | <max__> :)
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| 11:12 | Now I'm using rom-o-matic images to boot LTSP clients from floppy.
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| 11:12 | * cyberorg gives all of his to max__ | |
| 11:12 | <max__> I want to boot from hard disk without floppy
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| 11:12 | How is it possible?
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| 11:13 | Some links to study?
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| 11:13 | <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPBootingClientsWithoutPxe
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| 11:13 | its a bit outdated but at the bottom there are HD instructions iirc
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| 11:13 | <max__> ok, I'll read it
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| 11:14 | See you later :)
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| 11:14 | Tx
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| 11:41 | <ajgz> need a little help ... trying to get ltsp on centos 5 x86
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| 11:42 | <sbalneav> ajgz: ok, what help do you need?
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| 11:42 | <ajgz> I have installed ... and got every working .... via ltspadmin ...
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| 11:42 | <ajgz> but the workstation is just saying ..... searching DHCP ....
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| 11:43 | <ajgz> my MAC address is setup in the dhcpd.conf file ...
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| 11:43 | <sbalneav> Your dhcpd running?
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| 11:43 | <ajgz> yes ...
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| 11:43 | <sbalneav> ps -ef | grep dhcpd, paste result
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| 11:43 | <ajgz> tftpd ... is also running
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| 11:43 | <ogra> vagrantc, i had planned to add a debconf option to the udeb if i really know it works
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| 11:44 | vagrantc, its just not tested yet (today is the first day i have it in an iso to see if it behaves in d-i)
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| 11:44 | <vagrantc> cool.
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| 11:45 | ogra: i'm eager to get ubuntu and debian back in sync :)
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| 11:45 | <ogra> yeah, we'll get that soon
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| 11:46 | <vagrantc> other than the nbd stuff, i've got a branch that basically works.
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| 11:46 | <ogra> the udeb is my last big change to gutsy, then i'll focus on polishing and the like
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| 11:47 | vagrantc, seen that ? http://blog.daniel-baumann.ch/2007/09/07#20070907_debian-live-web-boot
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| 11:47 | he stole our nbd concept :)
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| 11:47 | and adapted it to http
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| 11:49 | <vagrantc> wow
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| 11:49 | that sounds way slick
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| 11:49 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:49 | thats the stuff squashfs/unionfs brings us
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| 11:50 | wlan clients becoming an option ;)
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| 11:50 | <vagrantc> though downloading a 150MB image over the net each boot is... a little crazy
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| 11:51 | ogra: so, that doesn't use nbd at all ... what do you mean stole our nbd concept ? :P
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| 11:51 | <ogra> well, with todays DSL lines its possible at least
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| 11:52 | vagrantc, it uses the same concept of squashfs/unionfs the ltsp nbd boot uses
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| 11:52 | he just replaced nbd with http here
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| 11:53 | <vagrantc> ogra: they've been using squashfs+unionfs *long* before
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| 11:53 | ogra: i see nothing stolen :P
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| 11:53 | <ogra> :P
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| 11:54 | <vagrantc> ogra: in fact, i've even used debian-live with NFS+squashfs+unionfs in the past without problem
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| 11:54 | <ogra> and with NFS+unionfs ?
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| 11:54 | <vagrantc> not sure
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| 11:54 | <ogra> that was the initial plan of mdz btw
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| 11:54 | <vagrantc> i'm well aware of it
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| 11:54 | <ogra> and it doesnt work
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| 11:54 | <vagrantc> didn't work
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| 11:54 | <ogra> until today
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| 11:55 | <vagrantc> maybe i just used NFS+unionfs for my debian-live netboot experiments ... i think so...
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| 11:56 | it was last december or so that i was messing with that
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| 11:56 | <ogra> ah
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| 11:56 | <vagrantc> i'm pretty sure, because i don't like the whole regenerate the squashfs bit
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| 11:56 | i mean, i see how it's useful
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| 11:56 | * ogra just abuses a T150 with a USB1.1 HD as test install system ... | |
| 11:56 | <ogra> fun to watch :)
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| 11:57 | <vagrantc> but i prefer to be able to tweak the files in the chroot and simply reboot for changes to take effect
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| 11:57 | <ogra> yeah, its extramely usefull but indeed has drawbacks
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| 11:57 | normal users shouldnt need to tweak their chroots
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| 11:57 | thats the point
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| 11:58 | <vagrantc> it's true
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| 11:59 | my primary use case is at freegeek, where we do all sorts of crazy things with it
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| 11:59 | tweaking it all the time
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| 12:03 | <ogra> right
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| 12:04 | <vagrantc> we use it for hard drive testers, system cloning, as well as typical thin clients and fat clients
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| 12:04 | <ogra> well, thats why we still have the nfs option :)
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| 12:04 | <vagrantc> oh yeah, and a jukebox machine
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| 12:04 | <ogra> jukebox is cool
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| 12:05 | <ogra> i was planning a mythbuntu setup as plugin for ltsp-build-client :)
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| 12:05 | <vagrantc> ogra: it's a shame you didn't manage to visit while you were in town
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| 12:05 | <ogra> mainly for myself though
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| 12:05 | vagrantc, next year same time ;)
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| 12:05 | <ogra> seems orilley asked for it ;)
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| 12:05 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 12:05 | <ogra> i'll plan more extra time then
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| 12:06 | <Gadi> ogra: ping
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| 12:06 | * vagrantc waves to Gadi | |
| 12:07 | <Gadi> hey, vagrantc
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| 12:07 | got a sec to help me out?
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| 12:07 | <ogra> yo Gadi, what did you break now again ?
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| 12:07 | <Gadi> heh
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| 12:07 | indeed
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| 12:07 | I broke things
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| 12:07 | I am at that edubuntu install (feisty)
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| 12:07 | <ogra> yeah, we got used to this :)
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| 12:08 | <Gadi> and when I try to log in a user, ssh gets sigchld
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| 12:08 | and reports to ldm with error -1
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| 12:08 | I am trying to get these guys going again even with basic basic unix auth
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| 12:08 | <ogra> what about plain console ssh login ?
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| 12:08 | <Gadi> ssh to localhost on the server is fine
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| 12:09 | and ssh from shell on client is fine
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| 12:09 | <ogra> with -X ?
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| 12:09 | <Gadi> oops
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| 12:09 | :)
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| 12:10 | ssh debugreports:
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| 12:10 | Sep 7 13:06:05 518L1 sshd[8561]: debug2: fd 11 setting O_NONBLOCK
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| 12:10 | Sep 7 13:06:05 518L1 sshd[8564]: debug3: channel 1: close_fds r 8 w 8 e -1 c -1
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| 12:10 | Sep 7 13:06:05 518L1 sshd[8561]: debug3: fd 10 is O_NONBLOCK
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| 12:10 | Sep 7 13:06:05 518L1 sshd[8564]: debug3: channel 2: close_fds r 9 w 9 e -1 c -1
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| 12:10 | Sep 7 13:06:05 518L1 sshd[8564]: debug1: Received SIGCHLD.
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| 12:10 | even when login is successful on localhost (with -X)
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| 12:11 | <Lumiere> Gadi: pls use pastebot
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| 12:11 | * Gadi taps mic to make sure he ison | |
| 12:11 | <Gadi> Lumiere: yes, yes
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| 12:11 | it was only a few lines
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| 12:12 | <sbalneav> Gadi: Which ldm this with, the new one?
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| 12:12 | or the python one?
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| 12:12 | <Gadi> no
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| 12:12 | python
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| 12:13 | <sbalneav> Lumiere: Gadi's a good enough guy, we don't mind floods from him :)
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> ldm.log reports that the session is killed by remote host
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| 12:14 | I have privilegeseparation turned on as per default
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> anything in the user's ~/.xsession-errors ?
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> only that the session "started"
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| 12:16 | <ogra> do they have a session at all ? (locally)
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> seems that /etc/X11/Xsession is called and then ssh SIGCHLDs
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| 12:16 | no
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| 12:16 | <ogra> Gadi, wait, feisty ?
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> yes, feisty
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| 12:17 | <ogra> mv ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf out of the way and see if that fixes it
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> Gadi: /etc/X11/Xsession is executable ?
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| 12:18 | <ogra> me suspects thats https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/105709
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| 12:18 | sbalneav, ltspbot should really inherit ubotus bug functions :)
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| 12:19 | so we could see debian/ubuntu/upstream bugs by mentioning the number :)
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| 12:19 | * ogra is such a lazy chap | |
| 12:19 | <Gadi> duh
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| 12:19 | I figured it out
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| 12:19 | stupid, Gadi
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| 12:19 | <ogra> what was it ?
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> I had added a script to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ to create some symlinks
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| 12:19 | <ogra> aha
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> looks like it was the culprit
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| 12:20 | need to fix that to exit 0
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| 12:20 | <vagrantc> well, those files are sourced ... you don't want to exit out of them
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> right
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| 12:21 | <ogra> but you might add || true :)
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| 12:21 | <Gadi> million thanks guys
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| 12:21 | <ogra> for the sigle lines
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| 12:21 | * ogra ponders to make ltsp use lpia over the weekend ... | |
| 12:21 | <Gadi> driving me even more nuts
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| 12:23 | * vagrantc ponders what lpia is | |
| 12:23 | <ogra> vagrantc, will debian support the lpia arch at some point ? or is that ubuntu specific ?
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> can't say not knowin
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| 12:24 | <ogra> its the ubuntu-mobile distro
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| 12:24 | lpia is essentially i386 (not 5 or 686) optimized for small ram and low CPU power
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> ogra: as long as it meets the architecture and release criteria, which largely means people are working on it and using it, then i suspect it will happen
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| 12:25 | <ogra> that could gain us a lot
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> i386 or i486 ?
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| 12:25 | <ogra> 3
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| 12:25 | the smallest footprint possible
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> because upstream gcc dropped support for true 386s
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| 12:25 | possible the kernel as well
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| 12:25 | <ogra> so its based on i386, but has added features
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| 12:25 | hmm, i might be worng
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| 12:26 | might be 486
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| 12:26 | <vagrantc> whatever, it's real basic
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| 12:26 | <ogra> no, its C
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| 12:26 | no realbasic in ubuntu :P
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| 12:26 | * vagrantc stands .... corrected | |
| 12:26 | <ogra> :)
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| 12:27 | <vagrantc> egads ... i was hoping to stop in at freegeek and test my latest 5.0.27debian* packages ...
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| 12:27 | but time moves on
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| 12:30 | i guess the next experiment i could try is NFS+squashfs+unionfs
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| 12:30 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:30 | <vagrantc> or simply NFS+squashfs+bind_mounts
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| 12:30 | <ogra> i doubt you gain any speed through that though
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| 12:31 | <vagrantc> well, using squashfs means much smaller reads
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| 12:32 | <ogra> right, but CPU overhead
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| 12:32 | and in the end you still have the nfs issues
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| 12:32 | <vagrantc> NFS has served me pretty good over the years
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| 12:33 | certainly better than NBD thus far
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| 12:33 | * ogra never had real probs with nbd | |
| 12:33 | <vagrantc> oh, i could try the nbd-server from sid as well
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| 12:33 | for some reason it's never made it into lenny
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| 12:33 | <ogra> its missing one or two fixes we didnt get to wouter in time before UVF
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| 12:33 | * vagrantc suspects a very stupid reason | |
| 12:34 | <vagrantc> ogra: what's that ?
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| 12:34 | version freeze ?
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| 12:34 | <ogra> upstream version freeze
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| 12:35 | ah, well the last addition was only a manpage
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| 12:36 | 1:2.9.6-1ubuntu2 fixes a segfault though
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| 12:36 | (LP #134572)
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| 15:56 | <lns> Has anyone tried connecting a USB scanner to an LTSP5 client? Should this 'just work' ?
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| 20:46 | <fgiraldeau> hi there
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| 20:46 | question: is there a specific editor for the docbook xml used in edubuntu documentation?
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| 20:47 | <sbalneav> Yup
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| 20:47 | vi
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| 20:47 | Or, emacs, take your pick :)
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| 20:47 | No, there's no wysiwig xml editor, unfortunately.
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| 20:48 | <fgiraldeau> well, it's pretty well indented, usualy I use the 'gqav' for cutting lines to 80 chars, but it reformat the indentation.
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| 20:48 | <sbalneav> I use VI with highlighting mode, and emacs has some nice editing modes for xml data.
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| 20:48 | Well, we'll lose the indenting eventually
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| 20:49 | I used the 'xmlindent" program to indent it, I'll work on it that way, and eventually, we'll remove all the leading spaces to shrink the file.
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| 20:50 | <fgiraldeau> ok, cool, will look at it.
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| 20:52 | <fgiraldeau> Yeah, it's perfect! Thanks for the tip, it' will save me a lot of boring formating.
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| 21:05 | <sbalneav> Evening vagrantc
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| 21:06 | Sigh. I was going to blog about Fix It Friday, but ruddy google blogger needs flash, and I've got gnash on this box and it doesn't work under that. :(
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| 21:07 | <vagrantc> fix it friday ?
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| 21:08 | <sbalneav> Yeah, we spent all day squashing ubuntu bugs.
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| 21:08 | I fixed 4.
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| 21:08 | <vagrantc> well, if i can find a sponsor, i think i can get a new upload of ltsp to debian based on 5.0.27
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| 21:09 | still sticking with NFS and bind_mounts ...
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| 21:09 | though NFS+squashfs actually worked reasonably well
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| 21:09 | NFS+squashfs+bind mounts, that is
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| 21:09 | <sbalneav> So, is it a bug with unionfs?
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| 21:10 | <vagrantc> i gave a couple tries with unionfs + NFS with no luck ... so not sure what's up with that
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| 21:11 | i mean, i know there tends to be bugs with unionfs and NFS ... but i know i've sucessfully used it with debian-live ... so maybe i'll build a debian-live image that uses NFS + unionfs and see what mount options it uses
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| 21:11 | <sbalneav> Good idear.
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| 21:12 | <vagrantc> i still haven't tried NBD + ext2 + bindmounts/unionfs
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| 21:12 | i did try the newer nbd-server, but it was just as flaky as the other versions (although it supported the -C option)
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| 21:12 | <sbalneav> flaky how? Crashing?
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| 21:13 | <vagrantc> hanging indefinitely at different spots each boot ... never very far into the boot process
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