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Channel log from 23 September 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:47 | <mikkel> When do I launch "ltsp-client-launch" on Fedora ?
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| 07:47 | I have tried to setup "rc.local" but that do not work. (I'm on fedora 19)
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| 07:48 | I have tried to set it as a kernel param. That do not work either.
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| 08:49 | <flo1546796> hi everyone, anyone can can give me a reason of this error "ltsp-cluster-accountmanager: Killing user". I working on chrooted tree of my "streamed system", when i try to change user with su, my session was killed and i got "Killed" on my terminal.. after checking my log i have accountmanager error.
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| 09:25 | <MrOnion_> I've built clients on a Centos 6.4 box which mostly work. During boot switch_root complains about /tmp and some thing else not being empty. Is this normal ?
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| 09:25 | <leshcat> hi guys
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| 09:27 | <leshcat> i know it might not be new, but still, is there any comprehensive manual for installing LTSP 5 on centos 6 systems, since i found only basics like install ltsp-server? I've found pretty good one for 4th version,but its outdated.
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| 09:28 | and official docs are not faint of heart iether. Only basics. I dont pretend for full guide of course.
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| 09:30 | anyone? :(
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| 09:37 | <MrOnion_> Les: I've just been building on centos 6.4, not much to do but some rough edges in the resulting client
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| 14:21 | <MaRung> Good Morning all.
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| 14:24 | <MaRung> I am having a kernel panic issue with some computers I am trying to use.
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| 14:34 | <der_baer> hey every body, i got some caching problems with ltspfs. it does show old files on an usb-device, after I format it, I looks for like the LTSP-Server is caching this some how (and says that there is no more spaces on the devices, what is not true since "not thinclient" maschienes say that there is plenty of space)?
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| 14:38 | <der_baer> is there a way to switch this caching of some how (or is there no caching and I'm digging into the wrong direction)?
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| 15:09 | <willianmazzardo> alkisg, hi
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> Hi willianmazzardo, how are you?
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| 15:14 | <willianmazzardo> nice … but the printers still unstable
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| 15:14 | some times work, some other no :S
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| 15:14 | even cups pfd
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| 15:14 | pdf
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| 15:15 | JUST into WINE ambient :S
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| 15:15 | <alkisg> Wait wait
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| 15:15 | CUPS pdf ==> do you mean that printing without wine is also unstable?
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| 15:15 | <willianmazzardo> no .. without wine is Ok
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| 15:16 | <alkisg> And, with wine but without LTSP, is it stable? Have you tried it enough to make sure?
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| 15:16 | <willianmazzardo> I was thinking about get CUPS printer LOCALLY for every client
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| 15:16 | <alkisg> Because if wine printing in general isn't very stable... then you can't fix it from ltsp...
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| 15:16 | <willianmazzardo> yes … without ltsp, in wine is Ok
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| 15:17 | <alkisg> OK you could also try with local cupsd, instead of server-side cupsd
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| 15:18 | <willianmazzardo> ok
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> I.e. install cupsd in the chroot, define CUPS_SERVER=localhost in lts.conf, and make sure that the printer is installed in the chroot
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| 15:21 | <willianmazzardo> ok
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| 15:21 | <TFDL> Good morning all,
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| 15:21 | on my thin client after issue command ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 15:22 | in this xterm i do ifconfig command but it show command not found.
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> try /sbin/ifconfig
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| 15:23 | You probably don't have /sbin in your path...
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| 15:23 | <TFDL> so i then do su administrator it shows Unknown id, i know i do have administrator user. What did id do wrong please.
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| 15:23 | thanks alkisq!
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> You don't have an administrator user locally on the client
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| 15:24 | The client only has the logged in user
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| 15:24 | <TFDL> it works alkisg with this /sbin/ifconfig
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| 15:25 | can you please show me how to create administrator user for thin client alkisg?
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| 15:27 | <alkisg> TFDL: say what you really want to do, because you're going the wrong way for it
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| 15:27 | I.e. why do you want a local administrator user? etc
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| 15:27 | <TFDL> ok, here is the background,
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| 15:28 | i have a php webapp, that will display contents depending on the ip address of the thin client.
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| 15:28 | that is all.
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| 15:28 | some how the ip address is not picked properly.
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| 15:29 | this php application is now running on ffox on thin client.
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| 15:29 | i think i need to install firefox as local app?
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| 15:29 | then would that resolve my problem alkisg?
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| 15:30 | <alkisg> TFDL: you just need to pass the IP address of the client, which is stored in $LTSP_CLIENT
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| 15:30 | No need for a local app at all, you just need a launcher
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| 15:30 | bbiab
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| 15:31 | <willianmazzardo> alkisg, ive changed the name from i386-fat to i386, but now when clients bootup, an error occurr INITRAMFS something
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| 15:32 | what do im missing?
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| 15:33 | <TFDL> where is $LTSP_CLIENT?
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| 15:34 | !bbiab
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| 15:34 | <ltsp`> Error: "bbiab" is not a valid command.
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| 15:34 | <TFDL> what is bbiab?
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| 15:34 | thanks alkisg
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| 15:36 | <alkisg> willianmazzardo: vnc?
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| 15:36 | TFDL: bbiab means "be back in a bit"
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| 15:37 | $LTSP_CLIENT is an environment variable, you would put that in a launcher (.desktop file) that would open the .php page you want with the IP as a parameter
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| 15:37 | <TFDL> i will wait. thanks alkisg!
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| 15:37 | <alkisg> TFDL: I am back now... wait for what? :)
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| 15:38 | <TFDL> this is really extra question but we need it just as bad.
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| 15:39 | on our thin client machine, there is an indicator light.
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| 15:39 | it can trigger red or green
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| 15:39 | via a serial port.
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| 15:39 | within thin client image, how can i do this.
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| 15:39 | i am only asking for direction
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| 15:39 | pointer,
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| 15:40 | and i will do it
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| 15:40 | some say use serial-python
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| 15:40 | library to transmit a hex to device
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| 15:40 | i agree with them
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| 15:41 | i can try on a normal ubuntu machine
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| 15:41 | but how can i bring that to ltsp image?
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| 15:41 | thanks alkisg
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> willianmazzardo: pxelinux.cfg/default was wrong, it contained "fat" there, try rebooting a client now
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| 15:42 | <willianmazzardo> ok
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> TFDL: ltsp-localapps python-app-for-light on/off
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| 15:43 | If you only need to send something to a serial port, you can even do that with shell (bash)
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| 15:44 | <TFDL> you are right that you know my requirement. i only want to send and not receive.
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| 15:44 | all we want is turn the light red or green.
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| 15:45 | that is so cool, alkisg. thanks again as usual.
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 15:47 | <TFDL> i will go and find the info on the internet, now that i have direction. that i believe i will get what i want from. it has been so successful and with teh epoptes we can do just a lot of thing like wake on lan etc ....
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| 15:47 | <MrOnion_> Does someone here understand the ltsp-build-client process please ?
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| 15:48 | <TFDL> thanks. and i will just hang around on this irc channel listening to people :)
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| 15:48 | MrOnion, try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz11qtduI8s
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| 15:48 | it helps me a lot.
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| 15:50 | <MrOnion_> I'm not talking about local apps... I have problems with some of the steps in ltsp-build-client
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| 15:51 | <TFDL> sorry MrOnion, try this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot
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| 15:51 | <alkisg> !ask | echo MrOnion_:
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| 15:51 | <ltsp`> MrOnion_: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 15:52 | <MrOnion_> There seem to be steps that directly reference /opt/ltsp/x86_64/etc before is has been created, when everything is still being built in /opt/ltsp/mock/epel-6-x86_64/root
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| 15:54 | <alkisg> MrOnion_: also mention your distibution... most people here are using ubuntu or debian, but there are some that know about fedora/gentoo or whatever else you might be using... maybe if you wait enough they'll answer, otherwise you could also try the ltsp mailing list
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| 15:54 | <MrOnion_> $ROOT is set to /opt/ltsp/x86_64 but the actual directory doesn't exist yet (not until after the after-install phase in 009-mock-chroot)
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| 15:55 | <alkisg> E.g. ltsp-build-client in ubuntu doesn't have a mock-chroot script
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| 15:55 | <MrOnion_> Ok. Build server is Centos 6.4 and I think I'm using the K12 build (but it isn't clearly stated so anywhere).
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| 15:56 | <alkisg> Centos users are a bit rare here, so if you don't get an answer in a couple of hours, try the mailing list too
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| 15:57 | <MrOnion_> I end up with a working client image, but in a few places things don't quite work correctly.
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> And ltsp upstream support for it isn't as solid as in other distros...
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| 15:58 | <MrOnion_> Due to the use of fuse clients don't recognise they have a network mounted root and try to take eth0 down and then unmount / (with predictable results! :-( )
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> In ubuntu that happened because of network manager, not because of fuse, and the solution was to declare eth0 as manually managed
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| 15:59 | <MrOnion_> OK alkisg, I'll check back here later (time to go home now)....
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> Maybe ltsp centos scripts need a similar workaround
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| 16:01 | <MrOnion_> No network manager installed (infact it is explicitly uninstalled). Do you know the best place to get to K12 developers please ? I'm very close to having a useable build and I've spent too much time on this now not to keep going with centos.
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> I think there's a K12 mailing list that once had some ltsp-related threads there
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| 16:02 | But I've never used any rpm-based distro, so I'm very unfamiliar with all this
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| 16:04 | <MrOnion_> OK, I'll check back later.... thanks
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| 16:47 | <MrSirRoger> I need to connect to a LTSP server from the Internet. So, for example, I have the LTSP server in one city and I want to connect to it from another city using a MS Windows box or an Apple Mac as the client Computer… SO, I want to connect to the desktop to run apps like I would with RDP to a RDSH in a MS world… any suggestions on thick or fat clients???
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| 16:50 | <MrSirRoger> Any suggestions on thick or fat clients that I can run from windows or mac???
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| 16:54 | <lns> MrSirRoger, I made a howto back in the ubuntu 8.x days, it might still work: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GDMVNCInetdssh
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| 16:58 | <MrSirRoger> thanks I will look that over.
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| 17:12 | <kev_j> Hi all! Is there an easy way to get a graphical boot/splash screen for LTSP on Debian?
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| 18:33 | <willianmazzardo> alkisg, hi
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| 18:33 | <alkisg> Hi willianmazzardo
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| 18:33 | <willianmazzardo> i migrated the clients to cups local
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| 18:34 | but, when I do reboot on ltsp host, and return, the printer is gone
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| 18:34 | and with sudo epoptes, do an error module object has no attribute settings
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| 18:34 | <alkisg> While the printer is there, is the printing stable?
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| 18:34 | Don't use sudo with epoptes
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| 18:35 | Plain `epoptes` instead
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| 18:35 | <willianmazzardo> yes … while printer was there… all ok
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| 18:35 | ok … but then epoptes dont show the clients
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| 18:35 | christia pts/3 ltsp41.local 14:38 57:13 0.00s 0.00s /bin/sh -
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| 18:35 | matheus pts/4 ltsp83.local 14:39 56:29 0.00s 0.00s /bin/sh -
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| 18:35 | zulema pts/5 ltsp89.local 14:39 56:23 0.00s 0.00s /bin/sh -
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| 18:35 | sorry the flood
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| 18:57 | <imincik> hi, has anybody experience with running xubuntu in LTSP ? I have some problems to run proper Xubuntu session there.
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| 18:57 | <alkisg> !x2go | echo MrSirRoger:
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| 18:57 | <ltsp`> MrSirRoger: x2go: x2go is an NX-based suite of applications that allow logging in to a remote X server from any OS. It's much more efficient than VNC over slow network. More info: http://www.x2go.org/
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| 18:57 | <imincik> I use some ugly hacks and I want to find better solution
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| 18:57 | <alkisg> imincik: what problems?
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| 19:00 | <imincik> alkisg: I see that LDM is not setting properly required xubuntu variables XDG_DATA_DIRS, XDG_CONFIG_DIRS
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| 19:01 | <alkisg> imincik: what are your lts.conf contents?
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| 19:01 | Maybe you're using LDM_XSESSION instead of LDM_SESSION....
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| 19:01 | <imincik> alkisg: so I have created launcher script to set it, but even than I have to copy some xubuntu settings to user home dir
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| 19:01 | <alkisg> LDM doesn't set those variables, the xubuntu session does
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| 19:02 | <imincik> I am using LDM_SESSION=/usr/bin/startxubuntu where startxubuntu is my workaround script
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| 19:03 | No matter what I choosed in LDM I always got XFCE session
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| 19:03 | <alkisg> ls -l /usr/share/xsessions
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| 19:03 | <imincik> without that custom startxubuntu script
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| 19:03 | <alkisg> Then pastebin your xubuntu.desktop session from there
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| 19:04 | You shouldn't need a custom script...
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| 19:05 | <alkisg> Btw, which xubuntu version?
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| 19:05 | <imincik> ubuntu 12.04
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| 19:05 | root@precise32:~# ls -l /usr/share/xsession
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| 19:05 | ls: cannot access /usr/share/xsession: No such file or directory
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| 19:06 | <alkisg> s in the end
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| 19:06 | xsessionS
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| 19:08 | <imincik> alkisg: sorry
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| 19:08 | root@precise32:/# ls -l /usr/share/xsessions
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| 19:08 | total 16
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| 19:08 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5808 Feb 14 2012 xfce.desktop
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| 19:08 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5607 Feb 4 2012 xubuntu.desktop
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| 19:08 | <alkisg> grep ^Exec /usr/share/xsessions/*.desktop
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| 19:09 | <imincik> alkisg: I think I know what You mean. But the trick is that they are running the same script
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| 19:09 | root@precise32:/# grep ^Exec /usr/share/xsessions/*.desktop
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| 19:09 | /usr/share/xsessions/xfce.desktop:Exec=startxfce4
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| 19:09 | /usr/share/xsessions/xubuntu.desktop:Exec=startxfce4
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| 19:10 | <alkisg> So it's the same session? Or is there an actual difference between them?
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| 19:11 | <imincik> alkisg: By what I discovered in last days, the difference is that Xubuntu is setting different paths in XDG variables and that way it is loading totally different settings on desktop
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| 19:13 | <imincik> alkisg: XUBUNTU and XFCE are different. Both are launching XFCE but with totally different settings
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| 19:13 | #!/bin/bash
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| 19:13 | export DEFAULTS_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/xubuntu.default.path
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| 19:13 | export MANDATORY_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/xubuntu.mandatory.path
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| 19:13 | export GDMSESSION=xubuntu
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| 19:13 | export DESKTOP_SESSION=xubuntu
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| 19:13 | export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu:/etc/xdg:/etc/xdg
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| 19:13 | export XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/xubuntu:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/usr/share
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| 19:14 | exec /usr/bin/startxfce4
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| 19:19 | <alkisg> imincik: the display managers just exec whatever is in the Exec line, so if it's the same, I don't understand how it's doing different things
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| 19:20 | <imincik> alkisg: I do not understand too, but in standard xubuntu LightDM is doing it somehow
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| 19:21 | alkisg: I do not believe I am the only one who is trying to load Xubuntu in LTSP. I do not see any real examples of anybody on net.
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| 19:24 | alkisg: maybe I can try to point xubuntu.desktop file to my startxubuntu script if it makes difference
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| 19:24 | <alkisg> You shouldn't need a script
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| 19:25 | Just setting LDM_SESSION should be enough
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| 19:25 | Any DM should be able to load xfce or xubuntu, be it lightdm, gdm, ldm or nodm...
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| 19:25 | It shouldn't need any tricks or hacks
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| 19:27 | <imincik> alkisg: what should I put to LDM_SESSION ? LDM_SESSION=XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu:/etc/xdg:/etc/xdg /usr/bin/startxfce ?
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| 19:27 | <alkisg> No, plain startxfce like in the xubuntu.desktop Exec line
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| 19:27 | startxfce4
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| 19:28 | <imincik> alkisg: but in this case I will get XFCE session which is something really different.
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| 19:28 | alkisg: maybe it is quite non standard way of loading session in xubuntu
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| 19:28 | <alkisg> Maybe xubuntu has some hacks in /etc/X11/Xsession.d then?
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| 19:29 | grep for XDG inside that dir...
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| 19:29 | grep XDG /etc/X11/Xsession.d/*
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| 19:29 | If you see anything specific to XFCE, then yeah it's a hack
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| 19:31 | <imincik> alkisg: there are some XDG things in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
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| 19:32 | XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="$DEFAULT_XDG_CONFIG_DIRS"/xdg-"$DESKTOP_SESSION":"$XDG_CONFIG_DIRS"
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| 19:32 | alkisg: so they are setting something by the name of the session
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| 19:32 | alkisg: I think I was already looking there
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| 19:33 | alkisg: so it seems that setting correctly $DESKTOP_SESSION in ldm is a key
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| 19:34 | <alkisg> Then try it, CLIENT_ENV="DESKTOP_SESSION=xubuntu"
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| 19:34 | In lts.conf
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| 19:35 | Or in the LDM_SESSION line, or with a wrapper script...
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| 19:35 | If that works, then file a bug against LDM, to set DESKTOP_SESSION= the selected session
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| 19:35 | !ldm-bug
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| 19:35 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'ldm-bug', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ltsp-bug', 'ldm-po'
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| 19:35 | <alkisg> !ltsp-bug
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| 19:35 | <ltsp`> ltsp-bug: To file a bug report for upstream LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp
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| 19:36 | <imincik> alkisg: thanks a lot for your time
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| 19:36 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 20:48 | <bennabiy> Hey vagrantc: Any experience with UEFI and linux installs?
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| 20:48 | <vagrantc> very little
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| 20:48 | <bennabiy> I have gotten it to work a couple times, but they are so spread out, I can never remember how I get it to work
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| 20:49 | <vagrantc> i mostly work with old hardware... just starting to see EFI stuff, but usually in bios-compatibility mode
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| 20:49 | <bennabiy> Yes. I am thinking I might need to just do the MBR install, and quit mucking around with it
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| 20:50 | <vagrantc> starting to get involved with newish arm hardware... mst i've seen so far don't use EFI
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| 20:50 | <bennabiy> But since I have gotten it to work in the past, there is that thing in me that wants to get it working
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| 20:50 | <vagrantc> if any do
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| 20:51 | <bennabiy> If they are classed as Windows 8 supported, they have to
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| 20:51 | <vagrantc> right
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| 20:52 | <bennabiy> I think within the next couple days I am going to make those changes alkisg and I talked about an then I will resubmit for review.
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| 20:53 | It is a little harder for me to do the support on the debian side of mint (as I do not run it at all) but I am going to include initial code to help it along :)
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| 20:54 | <vagrantc> as long as it doesn't break regular debin, then we can wait for the bug reports from lmde users :)
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| 20:54 | <bennabiy> I appreciate how much help you have been towards this (even though you dont personally use it at all)
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| 20:55 | <vagrantc> yeah, i hear enough about it, both bad and good, that i should probably at least do some test installs
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| 20:56 | <bennabiy> I was not too impressed with the debian version vs. Ubuntu (I prefer the Ubuntu one) like I said before, if I am going to run Debian, I will run Debian :)
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| 20:56 | <vagrantc> since it's so close to the distros i do use
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| 20:56 | <bennabiy> I just do not like the way Ubuntu is headed
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| 20:57 | So I like Mint :)
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| 20:57 | Are you on any other forums, where I can pick your brain about xen?
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| 21:00 | <bennabiy> I need to go now, but I have a server set up, with a debian 7.1 dom0 and I am using xen-tools to generate and run the domU's but I would like to use something like virsh if I can
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| 21:00 | anyways, back in a bit
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| 21:02 | <vagrantc> haven't used virsh with xen, only with kvm
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| 21:33 | <leshcat> I know it might not be new, but still, is there any comprehensive manual for installing LTSP 5 on centos 6 systems, since i found only basics like install ltsp-server? I've found pretty good one for 4th version,but its outdated. And official docs are not faint of heart iether. Only basics. I dont pretend for full guide of course. Please help?
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| 21:43 | <leshcat> anyone? :(
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| 21:47 | <vagrantc> !ltsp-docs
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| 21:47 | <ltsp`> Error: "ltsp-docs" is not a valid command.
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| 21:48 | <vagrantc> !docs
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| 21:48 | <ltsp`> docs: For the latest community documentation, see the LTSP wiki at http://wiki.ltsp.org/ For a PDF with official documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 21:48 | <vagrantc> no idea if that url still works
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| 21:49 | leshcat: look for an ltsp-docs package... it's available on debian and ubuntu
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| 21:49 | it's not 100% up to date, but much more current than ltsp 4 docs
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| 21:50 | <leshcat> that would explain why there is no info for RHEL systems
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| 21:50 | or there is but so little
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| 21:53 | <leshcat> thank you vagrantc :)
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| 21:53 | wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/LTSPedia this one is almost useless :)
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| 21:56 | <vagrantc> it's only as good as those who contribute...
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| 21:59 | <leshcat> of course
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| 21:59 | and i understand
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| 22:00 | <leshcat> dont get me wrong - i appreciate all info i can get here. Just that particular - is too general
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| 22:00 | ;) thank you once again
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