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Channel log from 1 October 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:03 | <gnunux> hi
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| 02:26 | <muppis> Anyone familiar with nfs?
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| 02:30 | <sweetpi> what about it?
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| 02:55 | <jimjimovich> is there a reason that network traffic when doing something like watching youtube would max out at 10MiB/s ?
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| 02:57 | ah, i guess that's MB not Mbits ... it maxes out at 80 Mbits
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| 02:57 | on a gigabit network
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| 04:46 | <beefsalad> anyone seen habbe in the last...5 years or so?
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| 06:49 | <wima1> does anyone have some smart ideas on how to keep multiple app servers in sync?
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| 06:49 | just configuration. data is on file server, and accounts on ldap
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| 06:49 | so installed packages, config,...
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| 06:50 | i'm sure i'm not the first trying to solve this, by i can't find an awful lot on the internets...
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| 06:54 | <beefsalad> dropbox clone using inotify+rsync
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| 06:55 | or...puppetd
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| 06:55 | depending on your needs, of course
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| 06:58 | <wima1> thanks, i'll have a look at these
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| 06:59 | there are solutions to sync the packages, and that is a a start
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| 06:59 | but i would also like to sync the configuration
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| 07:00 | users get confused if things behave different when they end up on a different machine
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| 07:02 | <beefsalad> well if you're just wanting to sync user configurations, ldap can define their home directory, which can be nfs mounted
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| 07:05 | <wima1> user config is not the problem. homedirs are on the fileserver
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| 07:05 | it is more package configuration.
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| 07:06 | <wima1> default desktop settings in /etc/gconf and things like that
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| 07:07 | puppet looks interesting, but if i understand correctly, you would not be editing the config directly, but rather via a pupped description.
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| 07:08 | this requires some dicipline
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| 07:08 | <beefsalad> indeed
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| 07:09 | <wima1> Still, i'm quite fond of the concept. It would also allow us to roll out a new server in no time, as long as we have the pupped server available
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| 07:12 | <beefsalad> yep
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| 07:12 | thats what I use it for (though I haven't touched ltsp in forever)
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| 07:15 | <wima1> How powerful is the description language? is it aware of apt-get? can it handle packages that it doesn't know?
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| 07:16 | I think i have some reading to do
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| 07:28 | <beefsalad> wima1: it's pretty powerful, I'm stuck in a RH shop so I don't know how well it handles apt, its handling of rpm's is...freaking annoying
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| 07:28 | if you need 351 rpm's installed, be preparred to feed it 351 descriptors
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| 07:30 | <wima1> hm
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| 07:31 | <beefsalad> I guess I should fiddle with it in my lab, see if I like it on a debianish system more
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| 07:31 | <wima1> can i let it execute custom scripts? I could keep a package list that i feed to apt-get
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| 07:32 | <jimjimovich> anyone have any tips for how to get flash working inside Firefox as a local app?
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| 07:32 | <beefsalad> really hoping I can kick the engineers hard enough to convince them to deploy v2 of our product on debian
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| 07:33 | <jimjimovich> following the instructions on the ubuntu wiki, everything installs in the chroot, and firefox works, but flash just shows up as an empty square (which says "Flash 10" when right clicking on it)
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| 07:35 | <beefsalad> wima1: yes, best way I can explain how I do is it with an example...
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| 07:35 | I have a directory inside of /etc I call 'servers' with a list of different server types in int
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| 07:35 | say I want to deploy a webserver
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| 07:36 | <beefsalad> I echo 1 > /etc/servers/webserver, which puppet is 'watching'
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| 07:36 | when it sees the change, it will fire off a script to do all of the fun crap I have setup
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| 07:37 | <wima1> ah, interesting
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| 07:37 | <beefsalad> theres more than one way to have a script ran, I just tend to 'kick' my servers before deciding what they are
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| 07:43 | <alkisg> jimjimovich: here's the most recent wiki page about it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox
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| 07:52 | <wima1> ok, i have some reading to do now. Thanks a lot for the help.
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| 08:11 | <docente> Hi, anyone knowns something about Glib-WARNING error on LTSP thin clients with Edubuntu?
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| 08:26 | <docente> Hi, anyone knowns something about Glib-WARNING error on LTSP thin clients with Edubuntu? I'd been reading and maybe is caused by plymouth. I deactivated it on server but i don't know how to make it on clients.
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| 08:54 | <jimjimovich> anyone successfully running flash (and having it load movies) as a local app?
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| 09:32 | <docente> Hi, anyone knowns the lts.conf parameter to fix the screen resolution on 800x600?
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| 09:46 | <vagrantc> docente: XRANDR_MODE_0=600x600
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| 09:46 | if that doesn't work ... you'd need to disable XRANDR ...
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| 09:47 | <vagrantc> XRANDR_DISABLE=true X_MODE_0=800x600
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| 10:23 | <docente> thanks
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| 11:50 | <jimjimovich> hi guys, still trying to figure out how to get flash working inside local running firefox. any ideas?
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> jimjimovich: see the link I pasted 20 mins before you left
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| 11:52 | (see the logs on the topic if you don't have logs in your client)
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| 11:52 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: ah man, sorry I left, had to go home. how do i get to the logs?
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| 11:53 | ah, i see
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| 11:54 | alkisg: I don't see the link in the logs :(
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| 11:55 | <alkisg> (03:42:59 PM) alkisg: jimjimovich: here's the most recent wiki page about it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox
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| 11:56 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: yes, that's what i was following. I actually have both Firefox and Flash successfully running on the client, but the Flash always says "Movie Not Loaded" ... it's like Flash can't access the network for some reason
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| 11:57 | <alkisg> Firefox can access the internet, and flash cannot?
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| 11:57 | <jimjimovich> exactly
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| 11:58 | I know Flash does some strange things with networking, i was thinking maybe I'm missing some necessary package that flash depends on. Using Ubuntu 10.10
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| 11:58 | <abeehc-_> no flash site works?
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| 11:58 | <komunista> some time ago I had flash as locallapps, but with midori and it works (only midory sometime crash - some older version)
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| 11:58 | <abeehc-_> i haven't seen it do strange things myself
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| 11:58 | <jimjimovich> nope, I tried a bunch of them
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| 11:58 | <abeehc-_> i had flash as localaps last week worked very well
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| 11:59 | <alkisg> If you followed that page (fluashplugin-installer etc) then it should work, flash doesn't do anything weird with the network
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| 11:59 | <abeehc-_> you have no ff addons i trust?
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| 11:59 | * alkisg has never heard of that specific flash problem.. | |
| 11:59 | <abeehc-_> people are saying flashblock can cause that specific problem
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| 11:59 | <jimjimovich> I did everything exactly like it's written there, no firefox plugins
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| 12:00 | <alkisg> I thought I read that you followed the jaunty page
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| 12:00 | That's why I pointed you to the karmic one
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| 12:00 | But ok..
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| 12:00 | <abeehc-_> right click on the flash applet and check the version and whatnot
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| 12:01 | <jimjimovich> it just shows 2 items "Movie not loaded" and "Flash 10"
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| 12:01 | after having no luck, i even installed the latest flash from adobe, and can verify that it's being loaded locally, but still the same problem
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| 12:02 | <abeehc-_> 32bit clients i assume
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| 12:02 | <jimjimovich> I really get the feeling that it's a network problem. I came across one forum thread where people were having problems with flash if the network was not configured on the client correctly
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| 12:02 | yeah, 32bit
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| 12:03 | <abeehc-_> if oyu can get webpages that seems to be really unlikely
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| 12:03 | all i can see is people complaining about flashblock addin, and finding they had gnash or something similiar installed
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| 12:03 | <alkisg> !localxterm
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| 12:03 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 12:03 | <alkisg> jimjimovich: try running "route -n" on a localxterm, and see if route is correct
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| 12:04 | (there was a bug about it, not sure if the fix is in 10.10 yet)
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| 12:05 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: Okay, I'll have to try it later, it's 9pm here and the computer is at work. I might try replicating the problem outside of our work network. I get the feeling it has something to do with a firewall somewhere.
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| 12:06 | on a related topic, has anyone installed Chrome as a local app? I couldn't get that to run at all.
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| 12:07 | <abeehc-_> people say it needs nfs_home or something like that
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| 12:07 | <jimjimovich> I've been running an LTSP lab at our university for 4 years (for students) but now they want us to use it for all our staff as well, so I've got a lot of LTSP challenges ahead of me in the next few months
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| 12:08 | <abeehc-_> i haven't gotten arounbd to it; but ff gives me a reason to do that every day
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| 12:08 | awesome stuff jimjimovich sounds like a challenge
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| 12:09 | <jimjimovich> yeah, lots of scanners, printers, webcams and stuff that people say they just can't live without
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| 12:10 | <abeehc-_> ohh damn haven't seen much discussion about webcams or even scanners
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| 12:12 | <alkisg> If your clients are good enough to be running ff and chrome locally, you might want to try fat clients instead
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| 12:12 | With NFS_HOME all programs (even chrome and evolution) run fine locally.
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| 12:14 | <jimjimovich> abeehc-_: in our tests, scanners were doable (at least we had a couple running). Most of the clients are pretty powerful. We're either going to be wripping the HD out of existing machines or using decent Atom mini-itx boards
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| 12:14 | what exactly is the difference between running apps locally and Fat Clients?
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| 12:14 | <alkisg> !fatclients
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| 12:14 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "fatclients" :: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 12:15 | <alkisg> The whole session is local with fat clients, the whole ubuntu-desktop is installed on the chroot.
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| 12:16 | <jimjimovich> is it possible to have both thin and fat clients?
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> Yes, even with the same chroot (with NBD_RAM_THRESHOLD separating them, or with LTSP_FATCLIENT=False in lts.conf)
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| 12:17 | sorry, FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD
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| 12:18 | <jimjimovich> in our setup, I'd think that I could probably just set specific machines to be fat clients by MAC address
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> That's also possible.
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| 12:19 | <jimjimovich> how is it possible to do with the same chroot? wouldn't all the apps need to be installed in the chroot?
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| 12:19 | <Lns> jimjimovich: yeah but the thin clients don't pull the installed chroot apps. They pull just what they need.
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| 12:20 | <jimjimovich> you guys have me very intrigued
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| 12:20 | <Lns> afaik thin clients can use a fatclient chroot but not vise versa (for obvious reasons)
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| 12:22 | <jimjimovich> so, let's say that i have a font that i need to install for all my users. in this thin and fat client mixed environment, how would I do that?
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| 12:22 | <alkisg> Having a fat chroot is like maintaining 2 installations, everything you need to do for both fat + thin clients you do in the fat chroot and in the server
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| 12:23 | So you'd have to install that font to the chroot as well
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| 12:23 | For fat-only labs, one only needs to do that in the chroot, X isn't even needed to be installed on the server.
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| 12:24 | <jimjimovich> Okay, that makes sense.
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| 12:24 | While you guys are giving out super info and advice ... one more topic ...
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| 12:24 | I need to enable remote access (home access) for users. I was going to use NX for this. Is that a good option?
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| 12:25 | <alkisg> Sure, I use that too (neatx)
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| 12:25 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: sweet!
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| 12:26 | you guys gave me some good stuff to think about over the weekend. sure you'll be seeing me a lot more in the next months. hopefully i can get good enough at this to be of some help here too :)
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| 12:31 | <Lns> awesome jimjimovich =)
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| 12:32 | alkisg: how's neatx working out for ya?
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| 12:32 | <alkisg> Very very nice, except that it doesn't support the greek keyboard layout :(
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| 12:39 | <Lns> d'oh!
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| 12:39 | Last I heard about neatx, it was all very beta and hard to install. Any useful links for it?
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| 12:43 | <alkisg> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:freenx-team
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| 12:43 | sudo apt-get update
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| 12:43 | sudo apt-get install neatx-server
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| 12:43 | Done :)
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| 12:44 | More info (not needed) at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
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| 12:46 | <jimjimovich> another quick question. if you have all the packages of say, ubuntu-desktop installed in the chroot, does the fat client download this entire image each time? I've been a bit confused about what gets downloaded.
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> It's a networked disk, it only reads the "sectors" it needs each time, both for fat + thin clients
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| 12:47 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: gonna be trying that neatx on Monday for sure. I hope it supports the Russian keyboard layout
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| 12:48 | <alkisg> jimjimovich: do you need to switch layouts? Or do you only use the russian layout?
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| 12:48 | <jimjimovich> need to switch them
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| 12:48 | <alkisg> If it works, please tell me...
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| 12:48 | <jimjimovich> will do
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| 12:48 | about the chroot, is it kinda like having a read-only install that all the clients access over the net?
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| 12:49 | isn't there also some sort of image that is downloaded?
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| 12:49 | <alkisg> Yes, but of course the /home is on the server. No, the only thing that gets downloaded as a whole is the kernel+initrd.
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| 12:50 | Lns: about the nfs vs nbd benchmarks, I've done some of those, nbd is much faster
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| 12:50 | (I benchmarked booting only, it was easier to measure)
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| 12:50 | <Lns> alkisg: thanks for the info =) have to jet right now but will be back and will be looking into it =)
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| 12:51 | <jimjimovich> so something like /usr/bin/firefox (which is in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/firefox) is only accessed by the client when you actually use firefox?
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| 12:52 | <jimjimovich> so the binary is on the server, but in the case of a fat client or a local app, the app is running on the client (even though it's loading from the chroot). Am I getting this right?
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| 12:53 | <alkisg> jimjimovich: right, it's like having an nfs root, no difference between thin vs fat clients or nbd vs nfs...
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| 12:53 | Instead of using the IDE cable, the clients are using the ethernet cable to access their disks
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| 12:53 | They don't load them in RAM...
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| 12:54 | <jimjimovich> okay, got ya. man, i thought i knew a lot about linux before ...
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| 12:54 | this is gonna be interesting
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| 14:03 | <cfkane> I'm trying to boot an asus eee box 202 on either ubuntu karmic or lucid. the client boot stops at the 3 segmented circle just before the login screen. Anyone know what video driver this machine uses?
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| 14:23 | <cliebow> !seen sbalneav
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| 14:23 | <ltspbot> cliebow: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 18 weeks, 2 days, 2 hours, 42 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <sbalneav> win 1
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| 14:23 | <cliebow> !seen Gadi
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| 14:23 | <ltspbot> cliebow: Gadi was last seen in #ltsp 3 days, 0 hours, 11 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <Gadi> :)
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| 14:32 | <andrew_ubuntu> !seen jammcq
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| 14:32 | <ltspbot> andrew_ubuntu: jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 2 days, 3 hours, 33 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <jammcq> jappiecr: sorry, i'm not familiar with it
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| 14:32 | <andrew_ubuntu> :(
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| 14:33 | anyone have experience setting up a usb scanner on a client? jammcq was helping me a few days ago, but I'm so stuck it ain't even funny. I'm desperate!
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| 14:44 | <abeehc-_> someone might be able to help if you start with where you are stuck
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| 14:45 | <andrew_ubuntu> oh, lol... ya that might help ;).
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| 14:47 | <abeehc-_> :>
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| 14:47 | i looked over the logs the other day but I couldn't guess how far you might be now
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| 14:47 | <andrew_ubuntu> I've gotten to the point where if I login to the client's console (I enabled root access to do this), I can see the scanner if I do 'scanimage -L', or lsusb, or sane-find-scanner. So, I know the scanner is detected. However, xsane does not find a scanner, nor does running 'scanimage -L', etc (in xwindows).
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| 14:49 | <andrew_ubuntu> I have done the exact same things jammcq had me do prior on another test server and I am having the same results. So, I have to guess that it's a permission problem?!
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| 14:50 | I read on the ubuntu help pages about setting up "network scanners" that the users needs to be in the scanner group, but there is no such group.
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| 14:51 | This is the page I'm referring to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo
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| 14:52 | Also according to this doc, I need to add lines to /etc/inetd.conf and /etc/default/saned (which jammcq did not mention he did with his; oversight possibly?... he was going off memory it appeared.)
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| 15:00 | <abeehc-_> jammcq did mention that from what i saw
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| 15:00 | maybe missed the /etc/default
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| 15:00 | <andrew_ubuntu> oops
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| 15:00 | <abeehc-_> sec
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| 15:00 | sorry i got distracted by racing there hehe
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| 15:00 | <andrew_ubuntu> lol
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| 15:01 | <abeehc-_> [08:16] [jammcq] you need to install saned and micro-inetd on the thin client chroot
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| 15:01 | http://www.nubae.com/logs/ltsp20100929_pg1.html
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| 15:01 | <andrew_ubuntu> yup, did that... although I am not familiar with micro-inetd nor how to configure it
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| 15:02 | <abeehc-_> same hehe
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| 15:02 | you put the bit in your lts.conf as well the rc_file declaration?
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| 15:03 | if you hook the scanner directly to a standard ubuntu installed machine does it "just work"
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| 15:03 | also, saned is running on the client i imagine?
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| 15:03 | by checking via ps
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| 15:07 | <andrew_ubuntu> yes. I put RCFILE_01 = /etc/init.d/scanner.sh in my /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf file and I made the scanner.sh file with the 3 lines he listed and put that in /opt/ltsp/i386.... somewhere... lol etc/udev/rules.d/99-something
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| 15:08 | no, that isn't right... I put scanner.sh in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc and the udev rules in /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/udev/rules.d/99-sane-group.rules
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| 15:08 | oh crap!
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| 15:08 | scanner.sh sould be in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d!
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| 15:11 | <andrew_ubuntu> ok, so now that is in the right place, although that was on my "test" server I setup today... it was in the correct location on the server I initially tried a couple days ago.
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| 15:13 | btw, no saned is not running if I run 'ps -leaf|grep saned' in the clients console, it does not show up.
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| 15:18 | <abeehc-_> ok i think that's one of the first hurdles
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| 15:18 | getting saned to exec on boot or at least be running onthe client
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| 15:18 | you should shell in and try to run that script jammcq had you reference in the rc_file declaration manually
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| 15:18 | see if saned chokes
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| 15:18 | <andrew_ubuntu> oh good idea :)
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| 15:20 | well getting somewhere.... /sbin/start-stop-daemon.real: stat /usr/bin/micro-inetd: No such file or directory (No such file or directory)
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| 15:20 | so, where is micro-inetd?... I swear I installed it in the chroot.... :|
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| 15:22 | how do you find out what files are in a package in ubuntu?... I can't find micro-inetd anywhere in the chroot, but it does have files in usr/share/doc folder
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| 15:23 | root@giltsp:/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/micro-inetd
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| 15:24 | <abeehc-_> check /etc/default/micro-inetd or somethign
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| 15:24 | maybe there's a similar run directive or something
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| 15:25 | on the client you could do dpkg -L micro-inetd
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| 15:25 | to list all the files for the package
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| 15:28 | you could do dpkg -l |grep micro-inet on the client to see if it's definitely installed
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| 15:28 | <andrew_ubuntu> I had to run "dpkg --contents /opt/ltsp/i386/var/cache/apt/archives/micro-inetd_20050629-4_i386.deb", but it does list /usr/bin/micro_inetd... why it didn't install is beyond me.
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| 15:29 | dpkg -l | grep micro-inet yielded nothing... bizarre
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| 15:32 | wait.. I take most of that back... I was in the wrong console... ugh. /usr/bin/micro-inetd IS installed on the clients chroot... sorry, BUT, running /etc/init.d/scanner.sh still says "/sbin/start-stop-daemon.real: stat /usr/bin/micro-inetd: No such file or directory (No such file or directory)"
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| 15:35 | <abeehc-_> so on the client shell
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| 15:35 | do dpkg -L micro-inetd (assuming that's the package name)
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| 15:35 | make sure it put the binary where that script expects (/usr/bin/micro-inetd)
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| 15:36 | <andrew_ubuntu> yes, it listed the file /usr/bin/micro_inetd.
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| 15:36 | I think it is /usr/bin/saned that is missing :(
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| 15:37 | <abeehc-_> ahh i gotcha
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| 15:37 | closer!
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| 15:38 | <andrew_ubuntu> ugh, I installed libsane and sane-utils... how do I know which package contains saned? (sorry, I am a Gentoo guy... not quite up to speed on Debian/Ubuntu ways)
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| 15:39 | <abeehc-_> aptitude show libsane
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| 15:39 | would tell you some stuff
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| 15:40 | you should review what jammcq said line by line again
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| 15:40 | http://www.nubae.com/logs/ltsp20100929_pg1.html
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| 15:40 | timestamp of 8:50 is interesting
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| 15:41 | <andrew_ubuntu> yes, I did create that file.
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| 15:48 | ok... so I think I am driving myself crazy and missing things... I thought saned was supposed to be in /usr/bin when in fact it is in /usr/sbin... so, /usr/sbin/saned does exist in the chroot.... what I can't figure out is what does it mean "No such file or directory"?... /usr/bin/micro-inetd exists as does /usr/sbin/saned..... /sbin/start-stop-daemon also exists... so what file/directory is it referring to?
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| 15:48 | <abeehc-_> pastebin the scanner.sh script
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| 15:48 | http://ltsp.pastebin.com
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| 15:49 | in any case you could skip that crap
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| 15:49 | and run saned manually just to see if you can talk to the scanner remotely
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| 15:49 | then figure out how to make sure the client starts the daemon
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| 15:49 | <andrew_ubuntu> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/iD4Q9xQK
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| 15:50 | <abeehc-_> maybe check that the variable is getting populated
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| 15:50 | SANE_PORT=$(grep sane-port /etc/services | awk '{print $2}') && echo $SANE_PORT
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| 15:51 | if so, run the next command manually see what it says
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| 15:52 | <andrew_ubuntu> yes, that is the only thing I can think of... if I do line that sets the variable SANE_PORT separately and echo $SANE_PORT it outputs 6566/tcp as it should. However, the line that runs saned has ${SANE_PORT%%/tcp} ${SANE_PORT%%/tcp}... isn't the /tcp ambiguous since $SANE_PORT already contains tcp?
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| 15:52 | <abeehc-_> i would have thouht so
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| 15:52 | but no
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| 15:53 | SANE_PORT=$(grep sane-port /etc/services | awk '{print $2}') && echo start-stop-daemon -q -b --start --exec /usr/bin/micro-inetd ${SANE_PORT%%/tcp} /usr/sbin/saned
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| 15:53 | results in this
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| 15:53 | start-stop-daemon -q -b --start --exec /usr/bin/micro-inetd 6566 /usr/sbin/saned
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| 15:53 | so try and run that yourself on the client maby
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| 15:54 | i think this is starting to look like subtleties with micro-inetd which i'm not so good with
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| 15:56 | <andrew_ubuntu> ya, I am going to have to agree with you. putting 6566/tcp in place of the variable still gives me "No such file or directory".... but running start-stop-daemon -q -b --start --exec /usr/sbin/saned by itself gives me no errors, but saned still doesn't appear to be running (at least according to ps).
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| 15:58 | running "/usr/bin/micro-inetd" by itself gives me the -bash: /usr/bin/micro-inetd: No such file or directory error
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| 15:59 | <abeehc-_> just run /usr/sbin/saned
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| 15:59 | from what i can tell you do not want the tcp
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| 15:59 | after the 6566
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| 16:00 | but the original script does that correctly
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| 16:01 | <abeehc-_> do "file /usr/bin/micro-inetd"
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| 16:01 | it's likely a script of some sort
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| 16:01 | <andrew_ubuntu> o i c... that is what the %% is for.. to remove the /tcp part...
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| 16:01 | <abeehc-_> take a look thtrough it
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| 16:01 | yeah
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| 16:01 | that's a new one on me as well
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| 16:01 | <andrew_ubuntu> "file /usr/bin/micro-inetd" = /usr/bin/micro_inetd: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.1, stripped
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| 16:02 | <abeehc-_> hehe shit
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| 16:02 | <andrew_ubuntu> ya, ditto ;)
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| 16:03 | <abeehc-_> maybe do "ldd /usr/bin/micro-inetd"
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| 16:04 | <andrew_ubuntu> linux-gate.so.1 => (0x00259000) libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0x00cb5000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x00bd1000)
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| 16:05 | (it shows up on 3 lines, but put it all on one to keep it simple).
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| 16:05 | <abeehc-_> ty
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| 16:06 | does micro-inetd --help do anything?
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| 16:06 | there's like not much for docs on that
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| 16:07 | <andrew_ubuntu> -bash: /usr/bin/micro-inetd: No such file or directory
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| 16:07 | <abeehc-_> hehe
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| 16:07 | <abeehc-_> what the f
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| 16:07 | ls -alh /usr/bin/micro-inetd
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| 16:07 | <andrew_ubuntu> ...bizarre. ya, exactly...
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| 16:07 | <abeehc-_> maybe it's a link?
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| 16:07 | i guess no
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| 16:08 | i386 clients, eh?
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| 16:08 | <andrew_ubuntu> ls -alh /usr/bin/micro_inetd = -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4.4K 2007-05-01 00:36 /usr/bin/micro_inetd
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| 16:09 | ya, i386 clients... amd64 server
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| 16:10 | Gentoo doesn't even have micro-inetd in portage... I was going to install it and see I get the same results when I try to run it.
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| 16:10 | (unless it's part of another package)
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| 16:11 | underSCORE
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| 16:11 | the script as a dash... the file is underscored
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| 16:12 | ps -leaf|grep saned now shows saned running!!!
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| 16:14 | ... I didn't catch it before because I was using tab completion ... I would just type /usr/bin/micro and hit tab....
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| 16:14 | lazy me...
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| 16:20 | <jconlon> I built a fat client image on ubuntu maverick beta, when I boot my laptop off the image, it just stays at the ubuntu loading screen, any ideas where I should look to debug? Checked syslog, didn't see anything special.
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| 16:25 | <alkisg> jconlon: remove "quiet splash" from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 16:29 | <andrew_ubuntu> abeehc-_: you still here?... sorry I'm an idiot :(.
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| 16:30 | <abeehc-_> no worries i'm also an idiot
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| 16:30 | for example
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| 16:30 | my server just ran flat out of memory and all these people are not unhappy with me
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| 16:31 | good times i need a smoke now
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| 16:31 | <andrew_ubuntu> saned is now running in the client's chroot.... scanimage -L shows the scanner on the clients console... but nothing in gnome :(
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| 16:32 | lol.... I just went and had a smoke.... u should switch to ecigs... I don't even go outside anymore ;)
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| 16:33 | take care of peeps first... at least I've made progress and I am forever greatful for all of your help (and jammcq too!)
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| 16:34 | <abeehc-_> haha ok i'll be back soon; are you running local apps or fat clients?
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| 16:34 | you might wanna use nmap to check that saned is listening on that network port
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| 16:35 | back in a couplefew
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| 16:35 | <andrew_ubuntu> neither local apps or fat... straight plain install... whatever that is called... thin
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| 16:36 | <abeehc-_> ok so yeah you wanna make sure saned is listening on that port we were talkin about earlier
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| 16:36 | if it's anything like printing; you are effectively talking to saned from the server
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| 16:36 | within gnome
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| 16:36 | <andrew_ubuntu> gotcha
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| 16:39 | <andrew_ubuntu> I can telnet to "172.16.13.111 6566", or at least I get a prompt... nmap 172.16.13.111 does show "6566/tcp open unknown"
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| 16:54 | <abeehc-_> ok that's good stuff
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| 16:55 | <andrew_ubuntu> I think I got IT!!!!
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| 16:55 | this page helped: http://tinycorelinux.com/forum/index.php?topic=817.0
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| 16:56 | <abeehc-_> nice mostly adding hte ip and that 'net' driver?
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| 16:56 | <andrew_ubuntu> aw crap!... spoke too soon. scanimage -L finally found the device, but now xsane just errored out with: Failed to start the scanner: Error during device I/O.
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| 16:56 | <abeehc-_> hm
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| 16:57 | <andrew_ubuntu> yes, on the server I added the ip address of the client with the scanner to /etc/sane.d/net.conf
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| 16:58 | <abeehc-_> instead of xsane try simplescan?
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| 16:59 | simple-scan maybe
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| 17:01 | <andrew_ubuntu> well, I tried just using scanimage > /tmp/scan.jpg and it's not erroring out... but I don't know if I can specify jpg, or if I have to use raw, pnm, or whatever
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| 17:02 | wow, it worked
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| 17:02 | <abeehc-_> good stuff
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| 17:02 | <andrew_ubuntu> although it's in some weird greyscale :D
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| 17:03 | THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!
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| 17:04 | you have no idea how much this means to me!.... I'll buy you a beer during the next LTSPCONFEST ;)
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| 17:04 | <abeehc-_> i think jammcq did the legwork there but i'm glad you got it goin
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| 17:05 | <andrew_ubuntu> ya, I'll buy Jammcq 2 beers ;)
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| 17:05 | Viva la LTSP!
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| 17:08 | perfect timing too... time to go home. thank you again! and thank you to everyone for your support!
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| 17:08 | have a good night abeehc-_
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