IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 22 February 2016 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:20 | <tlenetto> hi all
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| 06:25 | <alkisg> Hello tlenetto
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| 06:26 | <tlenetto> so quitet.
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| 06:26 | hi alkisg
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| 06:27 | <alkisg> It's usually and "ask and respond" channel, not a "chat about everything" channel :)
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| 06:27 | !ask
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| 06:27 | <ltsp> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 06:27 | <alkisg> ...like that...
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| 06:53 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I've marked the ubuntu/ltsp bug report of this: http:// bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=810934
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| 06:53 | ...as won't fix, maybe you should do the same for that debian bug report?
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| 06:53 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/1492546
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| 06:54 | The newer ifupdown in stretch and xenial does have the changes I proposed, so I don't think we need to do anything from the ltsp side
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| 06:56 | <vagrantc> main question would be, does fixing it reduce the stall on shutdown?
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| 06:56 | then i wouldn't mark it as wontfix, even if i don't get around to it
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| 06:58 | <alkisg> vagrantc: the stall was caused by epoptes-client, wasn't it?
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| 06:58 | I don't think the stall and the manual connection issues are related at all
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| 06:59 | * alkisg doesn't have a shutdown delay with an up to date stretch chroot | |
| 07:02 | <alkisg> (with epoptes fixed)
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| 07:02 | <vagrantc> alkisg: oh if that fixes it, great!
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| 07:03 | i guess if i try without epoptes, it shouldn't stall too
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| 07:03 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 07:04 | <vagrantc> alkisg: many thanks to you for maintaining two distros :)
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| 07:05 | <alkisg> vagrantc: hehe, it's a good thing that systemd made them a lot more similar, and that there's no .diff for ldm/ltsp anymore :)
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| 07:05 | <vagrantc> alkisg: there is a diff for ltsp :(
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| 07:06 | <alkisg> A really small one though
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| 07:06 | <vagrantc> ridiculously small...
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| 07:07 | * alkisg is going through the launchpad bug report list for ltsp/ldm... | |
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| 07:08 | <alkisg> Hrm, I'm not sure if "jetpipe does not start" is fixed in ubuntu or not... it might be there in the sysvinit script but not in the upstart script...
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| 07:09 | <vagrantc> no daemons should be started from init-ltsp.d in any case...
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| 07:09 | * vagrantc really should have fixed that upstream somehow | |
| 07:09 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I think I'll change 50-jetpipe to generate an RCFILE_JETPIPE=xxx line
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| 07:10 | ...which will in turn go to /etc/rc.local
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| 07:10 | But then you'll need to remove it from the sysvinit script
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| 07:11 | <vagrantc> makes sense
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| 07:11 | * vagrantc would be happy to be back in sync with upstream | |
| 07:11 | <alkisg> At some point, it will be best to have a common "start_ltsp" script, that the sysvinit, upstart, systemd units will call
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| 07:11 | <vagrantc> so many other more urgent things always made me put that off
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| 07:11 | <alkisg> Right, me too
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| 12:08 | <Jd0302> hey all
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| 12:09 | what would be the best way to install / upgrade to rdesktop 1.8 on my thin clients image?
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| 12:32 | <alkisg_away> Jd0302: it depends on your distribution, e.g. ubuntu has those versions: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=rdesktop
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| 12:32 | It's not ltsp related, you can ask it in your distribution IRC channel
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| 12:38 | <Jd0302> I cant remember which one I got I think it is ubuntu but if I chroot into the client image I cant download as it does not have any network config and no package managers exist
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| 12:38 | <alkisg_away> cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/issue
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| 12:38 | This tells you the release
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| 12:38 | <Jd0302> ah
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| 12:38 | Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l
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| 12:39 | <alkisg_away> Right, so you should ask in debian on how to install a newer rdesktop version, maybe with backports
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| 12:39 | packages.debian.org/rdesktop should tell you the available versions
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| 12:40 | <Jd0302> ah cool i see dpkg is there
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| 12:40 | hm and so is apt-get :)
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| 12:40 | <alkisg_away> fix <chroot>/etc/resolv.conf to point to 8.8.8.8
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| 12:41 | and run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgarde once in a while :)
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| 12:41 | <Jd0302> ah of course all makes sense now :) its pointing to 192.168.1.1 when our gateway is 192.168.1.254
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| 12:43 | <Jd0302> sorry its been a long time since I had to do any thing to my ltsp stuff
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| 12:43 | only because we upgraded to citrix and server 2008 R2
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| 12:43 | <alkisg_away> These days we're using xfreerdp instead of rdesktop
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| 12:44 | It's supposed to be maintained better, although I don't know if that's still true
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| 12:44 | <Jd0302> ok will xfreerdp will deal with the black cursor issue?
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| 12:45 | <alkisg_away> No idea I'm not using Windows personally
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| 12:45 | <Jd0302> ok thanks i'll check it out
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| 12:46 | <alkisg_away> You're welcome... also maybe you should update to some newer chroot :)
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| 12:46 | <Jd0302> I think I might just try and see what xfreerdp does on the bare metal machine
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| 12:46 | <alkisg_away> Debian 6 is very old, isn't it?
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| 12:46 | <Jd0302> oh yeah
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| 12:46 | that server ran for 6 years now
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| 12:46 | very reliably may i add :)
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| 13:00 | <Jd0302> ok just so you know for your factiods xfreerdp does indead take care of the black mouse cursor problem
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| 13:00 | <alkisg_away> Here's a minimal chroot that could do what you want:
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| 13:00 | !precise-i386
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| 13:00 | <ltsp> precise-i386: Ubuntu 12.04 compressed btrfs chroot to boot really old clients (non-pae, >=64MB RAM): http://ts.sch.gr/repo/livecd/images. You can find the image, a screenshot and a README there.
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| 13:00 | <alkisg_away> It has xfreerdp preinstalled
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| 13:00 | <Jd0302> ok
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| 13:00 | <alkisg> Or just build a new one yourself
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| 13:01 | <Jd0302> ah great
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| 13:01 | <alkisg> Ouch! Debian 6 is squeeze?! That ancient, not old...
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| 13:02 | You might need to tweak your server a bit after updating your chroot
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| 13:02 | Some things changed in ltsp in those last years you didn't update :)
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| 13:03 | <Jd0302> I never had too as we just literally boot the image and cut straight to rdp
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| 13:03 | <alkisg> Sure, whatever works for you
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| 13:03 | <Jd0302> most of our thin clients which are optplex dells played nice and never had any issue
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| 13:03 | even one box we have is a onboard radeon fglrx based gpu and even that works
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| 13:04 | the only problem on that one is you need to manually Alt-F8 to get the rdesktop tty
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| 13:04 | <alkisg> You can change that with lts.conf
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| 13:05 | SCREEN_DEFAULT=08 I believe
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| 13:05 | (and it only happens if you have multiple screens in lts.conf)
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| 13:08 | <Jd0302> yep
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| 13:08 | i kind of like the fact that gnome is there as well
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| 13:09 | never know we might employee some one who will want to use it one of these days lol
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> ...in debian 6? what's that, gnome version 0.001? :D
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| 13:09 | <Jd0302> LOL
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| 13:09 | fsck knows let me check
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| 14:32 | <Jd0302> hm
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| 14:35 | just curious.. I am going to change to the precise image any way .. but for shits and giggles I tried to make lts.conf use xfreerdp as the existing thin client img had no problem installing it from apt in the end .. but it wont launch it I think its possibly getting, failed to open display as when the terminal start its just on a blinking cursor
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| 14:36 | I tested the arguments that it would be getting from lts.conf and from a xterm they work fine
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| 15:39 | <professor^SERVID> test
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| 15:40 | * vagrantc wonders what results are expected | |
| 15:40 | <vagrantc> pfft.
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| 15:48 | <Jd0302> lol
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| 15:49 | <alkisg> Well, at least the epoptes chat names work fine, combining username and hostname :D
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| 15:50 | Jd0302: ah I also have a newer stretch image if you prefer to use that one instead of the older precise one
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| 15:50 | I don't remember if the xfreerdp script was working in debian 6
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| 15:50 | <vagrantc> stretch is pretty exciting.
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| 15:51 | alkisg: how often do you plan to update the stretch image?
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| 15:51 | stretch is really a moving target until novemberish (and quite possible, several months later)
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> vagrantc: it's a btrfs image, so an apt-get update is very easy, I can do it whenever someone needs it...
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> having a stretch image out there getting use in the real-world will be invaluable
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| 15:59 | to make sure once it releases, it's actually usable
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| 15:59 | * vagrantc can only test so much | |
| 16:00 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I could deploy it in some schools if you think it's needed, the ones that have only thin clients (with ubuntu 16.04 server)
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| 16:01 | I don't know how much testing a thin chroot offers though
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| 16:01 | <vagrantc> more than whatever i happen to do briefly before an upload... :)
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| 16:02 | <Jd0302> yeah
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| 16:02 | I really just buggered up something ;(
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| 16:02 | tftpboot is not finding vmlinux
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| 16:03 | do I need to ltsp-update-kernels again
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| 16:04 | I tried to mount the image into /opt/ltsp/i386 and then chrooted into made some changes
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> vmlinux is not usual for debian, it's usually vmlinuz
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| 16:04 | <Jd0302> er thats what i meant
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| 16:04 | typo
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> And is vmlinuz there in tftpboot?
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| 16:05 | Without more details, it's difficult to imaging your dhcp/tftp/ltsp setup
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| 16:06 | <Jd0302> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
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| 16:07 | the vmlinuz is there
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| 16:08 | <vagrantc> what tftp server?
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| 16:08 | default for tftpd-hpa is /srv/tftp
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/ without i386 after that?
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| 16:09 | It sounds like a non-standard setup then
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| 16:10 | <vagrantc> i guess now is the time to reconsider the default dependencies for tftp server...
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| 16:10 | and dhcp server...
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| 16:10 | <alkisg> dnsmasq ftw!
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| 16:10 | <vagrantc> right
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| 16:10 | how'd you guess?
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| 16:10 | <alkisg> :)
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| 16:10 | We can propose that as the default and more advanced sysadmins can do whatever they like
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| 16:11 | <highvoltage> dnsmasq us *still* not the default tftp server for ltsp!?
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| 16:11 | * maldridge took the approach of "dnsmasq? not on my network" | |
| 16:11 | * alkisg is pretty sure maldridge doesn't have the stock ltsp setup anyway :) | |
| 16:11 | <maldridge> at the moment its mostly broken actually
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| 16:12 | <vagrantc> see, there's user revolt over *not* using dnsmasq.
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| 16:12 | <maldridge> changing the ldm theme seems to involve moving way more links than it should
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| 16:12 | <vagrantc> maldridge: should just need to set the ldm-theme alternative...
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| 16:12 | <maldridge> in the chroot or out of it?
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| 16:12 | <vagrantc> maldridge: or the LDM_THEME setting in lts.conf
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| 16:13 | in the chroot
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| 16:13 | <alkisg> maldridge: also, what do you have against setting dnsmasq as the default for ltsp? (default, not the only option...)
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| 16:13 | <highvoltage> maldridge: then you're not using the update-alternatives command, as you should probably do in your themes package :)
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| 16:13 | <vagrantc> maldridge: you've got a theme package?
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| 16:13 | <Jd0302> its not nonstandard to the point where it caused any problems
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| 16:14 | i've been using that tftpserver for 6 years
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| 16:14 | I ran ltsp-update-image against the mounted new image and it broke something to do with the kerenls
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| 16:14 | <vagrantc> yes, dnsmasq has been used in many LTSP installations for quite some time ... its merely my conservative nature that has left the defaults to more traditional servers.
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| 16:14 | <alkisg> Jd0302: sure, we just can't help you without knowing the details
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| 16:14 | <maldridge> alkisg: dnsmasq doesn't scale, and it lumps too many things into one process imho
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| 16:14 | <alkisg> maldridge: we need dhcp, proxydhcp, and tftp
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| 16:14 | <maldridge> vagrantc: not a package, it just gets deployed by ansible when the machine gets built
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| 16:14 | <alkisg> we optionally need dns
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| 16:15 | <maldridge> yes, and there are very fine servers for each of those
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| 16:15 | <alkisg> So, dnsmasq is exactly what ltsp users need, not "too much..."
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| 16:15 | No
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| 16:15 | There's no other proxydhcp server
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| 16:15 | tftpd-hpa doesn't even start in recent ubuntu
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> maldridge: your ansible rules public?
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| 16:15 | <Jd0302> perhaps i try ltsp-build-client -a i386?
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> maldridge: could probably suggest a simpler way to do it...
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| 16:15 | <alkisg> And seting up bind is too difficult for simple ltsp users
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| 16:15 | <maldridge> alkisg: I'm very aware of the tftpd-hpa issue, we had to switch to xinetd over that
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| 16:15 | <Jd0302> i've rolled every thing back to how it was
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| 16:15 | <alkisg> See? Non-standard installation anyway :)
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| 16:16 | <maldridge> vagrantc: here's the role that applies the theme: https://github.com/utdlug/lug_config/tree/master/roles/ltsp-theme
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| 16:16 | <alkisg> Jd0302: ltsp-build-client means to completely erase your chroot and start from zero
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| 16:17 | If you're going to do that, it would be better to use something more recent, like jessie or stretch or ubuntu 16.04
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| 16:17 | <Jd0302> ah yes there phewwwww!!!
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| 16:17 | i just ran ltsp-update-kernels again
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| 16:18 | paniced like a mofo!!!
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| 16:18 | that was better then taking drugs
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| 16:19 | <highvoltage> you really need better drugs
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| 16:19 | <vagrantc> maldridge: what's the problem, that's pretty straightforward ... ?
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| 16:19 | <maldridge> vagrantc: it doesn't actually work, the default theme still shows up
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| 16:20 | <Jd0302> so I have to wonder if my attempt to update to the new image worked i just needed to run that command
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| 16:21 | 7961 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /srv/tftp
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| 16:21 | alkisg wheres this newer image you speak of?
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| 16:22 | <alkisg> !precise-i386
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| 16:22 | <ltsp> precise-i386: Ubuntu 12.04 compressed btrfs chroot to boot really old clients (non-pae, >=64MB RAM): http://ts.sch.gr/repo/livecd/images. You can find the image, a screenshot and a README there.
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| 16:22 | <alkisg> I can upload it there in half an hour if you want it
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| 16:22 | stretch-i386
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| 16:22 | <Jd0302> yes please certainly if you think its going to beneficial
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| 16:22 | tobe
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| 16:23 | <alkisg> Jd0302: are you using nbd or nfs?
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| 16:23 | <Jd0302> nbd
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| 16:23 | <alkisg> So you run ltsp-update-image after each change?
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| 16:23 | <Jd0302> yeh
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| 16:23 | <alkisg> OK, with this one you won't have to
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| 16:24 | <Jd0302> ah ok that would be cooler
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| 16:24 | <vagrantc> maldridge: is it reading the lts.conf?
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| 16:24 | <alkisg> OK, I'll upload it
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| 16:26 | <maldridge> vagrantc: I think so, but its been a while since I've had time to look into this problem
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| 16:27 | <markit> hi alkisg, do you use "smart boards" on greek's school? How is FOSS working with them? I'm using them since 3 eyars but things are becoming worse and worse (hw support, dedicated foss programs abandoned, like ardesia and opensakoré, dvd included in school books for win and mac, nothing multiplatform)...
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| 16:27 | <alkisg> Hi markit, I'm trying to convince schools that they're worthless junk :)
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| 16:28 | When they settle up on a touch input device and standarized software, i'll think about that again :)
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| 16:28 | <markit> alkisg: yep, you are true but here public school is subject to to nothing rational, just firms that pushes their products (i.e. apple) for worthless, but expensive, hw
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| 16:29 | <vagrantc> maldridge: the other option would be to run update-alternatives in the chroot
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| 16:29 | * markit depressed as usual ;P | |
| 16:29 | <vagrantc> maldridge: but my guess is your lts.conf isn't getting read... or you have another rule overwriting the lts.conf?
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| 16:29 | <maldridge> vagrantc: I'll check that out the next time I get a chance to work on that particular cluster. I have no other place that should manage lts.conf
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| 16:30 | <vagrantc> maldridge: just started working with ansible last summer ... really liking it
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| 16:31 | * vagrantc even vaguely suggested replacing ltsp with some ansible scripts | |
| 16:31 | <vagrantc> or using ansible as part of ltsp
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| 16:31 | but it might be overkill ... who knows.
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| 16:31 | <maldridge> I like it a lot, we're actually moving a lot of my group's physical stuff into oVirt. Eventually we'd like to connect ltsp clients to vnc sessions on the oVirt cluster
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| 16:31 | <markit> maldridge: try Proxmox project also
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| 16:31 | s/try/have a look
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| 16:31 | <maldridge> its really cool to type one command and come back an hour later to a running clustert
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| 16:32 | markit: neat, I'll add it to my "to be researched" queue
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| 16:33 | <alkisg> markit: fortunately I'm part of the public sector so I do have something to say about the hardware and software decisions of schools here :)
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| 16:34 | And there are not enough money for windows etc licenses, so it's easy to convince the authorities to propose linux to schools
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| 16:34 | <markit> alkisg: if only we would have someone like you to take decisions here...
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| 16:34 | <maldridge> markit: I haven't had issues with smartboards under linux just using them for touch, but I gave up long ago making the pens work
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> That's why 90% of the secondary schools in my region have linux :)
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| 16:34 | <maldridge> what do the primary schools run?
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| 16:35 | and have you ever seen backlash from parents/employers down the road?
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| 16:35 | <alkisg> They don't all have computer labs so it's difficult to get statistics, but again linux in computer labs
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| 16:35 | Non IT teachers, outside the computer labs, run windows
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| 16:35 | I.e. in 1 PC with a projector or something like that
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| 16:35 | <maldridge> ah, the typical podium setup
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| 16:35 | <markit> don't you have "widows only software" that MUST be run? (of course, the teacher could do almost the same with FOSS, but the included dvd is so convenient...)
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> I've heard cases of students asking their teacher for the linux installation CDs
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| 16:36 | <maldridge> markit: the lab I manage is based on ubuntu, but I'm at a university so I can get away with it
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> Not much negative feedback, no, except from the 10% of the teachers that haven't switch to linux yet
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| 16:36 | <markit> ah, "Non IT teachers, outside the computer labs, run windows", we don't have IT teachers, only "monkeys"
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> (not from the students; from the teachers that haven't tried it)
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| 16:36 | <maldridge> most of the public schools here are way too much in MS's pocket
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| 16:37 | alkisg: very cool, I am glad you have been able to have such success
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| 16:37 | * alkisg wouldn't have switch to linux if he hasn't | |
| 16:37 | <alkisg> ...after 17 years of being a windows dev/sysadmin...
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| 16:37 | <maldridge> yeah, its been so much easier after flipping the lab to linux
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| 16:38 | our breaking point was a particularly bad maintenence window where printing died and didn't come back; that was the point my team started seriously looking at linux solutions
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| 16:38 | <alkisg> I run an office where we're responsible to repair the hardware and software of schools in my city
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| 16:38 | After switching most of them to linux, we're getting bored due to lack of work
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| 16:39 | <markit> yes, a teacher said that I don't deserve money, since I go so rarely in the lab to fix things...
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| 16:39 | <alkisg> Haha
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| 16:39 | <markit> so I've a cronjob that freezes randomly the desktops ;P
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| 16:39 | <maldridge> lol, but at least it runs reliably, they'd complain far louder if it didn't
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| 16:39 | <markit> (joking ;P)
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| 16:39 | <alkisg> Hahaha
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> alkisg: sounds like your team should consult remotely with other schools :)
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| 16:40 | if they're that bored.
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I'm also maintaing remotely 1000 other schools across greece :)
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| 16:40 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> ...and still have time to do some ltsp development :)
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| 16:40 | <vagrantc> that's the best part.
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| 16:40 | * markit amazed | |
| 16:41 | <maldridge> I'd pay good money to see a windows admin attempt the same feat, it would be funny
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> maldridge: i don't know that they charge admission, but there are a number of school districts that *try*
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| 16:42 | <alkisg> The best part is setting up chained epoptes, so that I administer the school servers, and their epoptes in turn see their clients
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| 16:42 | <markit> well, I've meet a consultant of some catholic schools, they are promoting Apple-chains because more reliable than windows and so easy to deploy entire labs... he never heard about LTSP
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| 16:42 | (and in any case, schools software is done for win and mac, not GNU/Linux and even worse not multiplatform... often are just .exe that run html of avi stuff!)
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| 16:42 | <maldridge> vagrantc: I know, I'm trying to build the idea of a company that does "managed" linux for districts here
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| 16:43 | <markit> and I was shocked :(
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| 16:43 | <alkisg> html/swf is good, it's easy to package to .deb
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| 16:43 | We've packaged about 20 GB of such software
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| 16:44 | <vagrantc> maldridge: had mixed success here. ansible is the only reason it didn't go down in flames.
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| 16:44 | <alkisg> If you set up a repository where they can just `apt-get install highschool` and get them all, they'll be impressed with linux
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| 16:44 | <maldridge> vagrantc: with a school?
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| 16:44 | <vagrantc> maldridge: but chromebooks are pretty much the major time sink now.
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| 16:44 | maldridge: yeah
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| 16:44 | <maldridge> mind sharing where (roughly) ?
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| 16:45 | <alkisg> vagrantc: how do they run educational software in chromebooks?
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| 16:45 | <vagrantc> maldridge: portland, oregon, cascadia
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| 16:45 | <maldridge> alkisg: they don't
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| 16:45 | <alkisg> Like the potato guy or kturtle or gcompris?
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| 16:45 | ...meh..
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| 16:45 | <maldridge> alkisg: most american schools go to a web browser and then its all on the textbook company's servers
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| 16:45 | <vagrantc> they just do online things.
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| 16:46 | <markit> alkisg: packaging that content is probably a copyright infringment... (just a news http://news.slashdot.org/story/16/02/21/2022207/tpp-change-means-drastically-higher-penalties-for-copyright-infringement )
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| 16:46 | <maldridge> vagrantc: neat, I'm looking more at the schools that aren't going to have the money to do hardware renewal *and* a windows 10 license
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| 16:46 | markit: I think in this case packaging is the same as a GPO, so its not really enforceable
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| 16:47 | i.e. its not public and is part of thier deployment toolchain
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| 16:47 | <vagrantc> maldridge: whereabouts?
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| 16:49 | <maldridge> vagrantc: Dallas, Tx
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| 16:50 | <markit> maldridge: on dvd is cited "cannot copy, this dvd must be present in the dvd reader" etc.
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| 16:51 | <maldridge> markit: what software?
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| 16:51 | I have never seen such a label on disks here, most of ours say something like "site copy, do not distribute"
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| 16:51 | <markit> you know, in recent printed books (novels, essays) is also wrote that for your PERONAL USE, you can't photocopy more than 5 pages, and for more you have to aks the author...
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| 16:52 | maldridge: I've not one here, in general some that come with text books, or a dvd to teach to speak english (from Disney...)
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| 16:52 | * maldridge is afk, unjamming a printer for the 3rd time this morning | |
| 16:53 | <vagrantc> ah, disney. that explains everything.
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| 16:53 | mickey mouse is about to expire... expect an extension on the number of years copyrighted works remain copyrighted.
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| 16:53 | any day now
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| 16:54 | <markit> vagrantc: yep, maybe of one thousand years this time
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| 16:55 | I've to leave, bye you all :)
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| 16:56 | <Jd0302> argh damn now I am getting a error to do with nbd ... failed to connect to nbd server
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| 17:05 | looks like we will be rebuilding the whole ltsp from the begining now :( .. nbdport=2000 was missing I readded it and that begets a new set of errors
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| 17:09 | <alkisg> markit, we're getting written permission from every software we package
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| 17:10 | (but most of it is published by the greek ministry of education anyway)
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| 17:13 | <maldridge> alkisg: I do have to ask, what program is "the potato guy"
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| 17:14 | <Jd0302> right panic part 2 over of course I have nbd running on multiple ports 2000 for amd64 and 2002 for i386
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| 17:15 | ltsp is frightfull when you have not dabbled in the art for nearly 6 years ;(
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| 17:15 | <alkisg> maldridge: https://games.kde.org/game.php?game=ktuberling
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| 17:16 | Kids 7-8 years old have a lot of fun with it :)
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| 17:16 | <Jd0302> thats for the upload alkisg
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| 17:17 | thanks even
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| 17:17 | <alkisg> Jd0302: no problem, I'm updating the md5sums now
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| 17:18 | <maldridge> potato guy indeed
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| 17:18 | <alkisg> Jd0302: recent nbd (like, 5 years ago) has switched from port 2000 to 10809+name based exports
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| 17:18 | maldridge: it's a famous concept, there are even real life ...dolls with that guy
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| 17:19 | <alkisg> I think it initially begun with actual potatoes
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| 17:19 | <maldridge> yeah, seeing the picture makes way more sense now
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| 17:20 | <alkisg> Jd0302: what's your ltsp server OS?
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| 17:21 | distro/version?
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| 17:21 | * alkisg hopes that one isn't debian 6... | |
| 17:21 | <maldridge> wow, a debian 6 install in the wild at this point would really be something
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| 17:22 | <ogra_> you just need to install it twice ... then you have debian 12
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| 17:22 | * alkisg can imagine installing twice ubuntu 5.04, but not 5.10... :) | |
| 17:22 | <ogra_> no, no ... that gets you 10.08
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| 17:23 | <alkisg> 10.20, interesting month there :D
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| 17:23 | <ogra_> haha
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| 17:27 | <Jd0302> yeah it si actually lol :(
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| 17:29 | <lbssousa> Any ideas about https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93072?
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| 17:29 | Ops! Sorry! Wrong channel...
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| 17:42 | <Jd0302> ltsp-chroot -b /tmp -m -a precise-i386 ... what is the -m for ?
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| 17:42 | I dont have that option
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| 17:44 | <alkisg> (07:20:56 μμ) alkisg: Jd0302: what's your ltsp server OS?
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| 17:45 | <Jd0302> debian 6 as well
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| 17:46 | <alkisg> Do you have squeeze-backports enabled?
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| 17:46 | I.e. ltsp 5.4 or ltsp 5.2?
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| 17:47 | (although ltsp 5.4 might be too old as well, we'll see...)
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| 17:47 | <Jd0302> ah no i dont just reading instructions on backports now
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| 17:51 | <alkisg> Jd0302: btw, did the mount option succeed? I'm not sure that your kernel would support btrfs if it's that old...
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| 17:52 | Since you're updating, maybe you should take the time to upgrade your server as well
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| 17:52 | <Jd0302> yeah I am thinking about it seriously
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| 17:52 | <alkisg> Get it at least to jessie...
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| 17:53 | <Jd0302> would make life allot easier
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| 17:53 | <alkisg> Or just move everything to a subdir and install a clean jessie
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| 17:53 | That way you'll be able to revert if something doesn't work for you
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| 17:54 | <Jd0302> yeah the mount option does work btw
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> OK then with ltsp 5.4.2 (backports) you might be able to get it to work without upgrading
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| 17:54 | You'll also need a backported nbd-server probably
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| 18:03 | <Jd0302> yeah I think we will just upgrade to the latest ubuntu at the week end
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| 18:03 | stretch does not want to mount
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| 18:08 | precise did mount ok
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| 18:08 | <alkisg> it's older :)
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| 18:15 | <Jd0302> thanks for your time any way alkisg
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| 18:29 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 19:13 | <vagrantc> debian 6 actually has long-term-support for another month or so
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| 19:14 | but yeah, upgrade! :)
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| 19:14 | <maldridge> yes but support doesn't imply that things will work, as I think was proven here
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| 19:15 | <vagrantc> well, it worked back then, but not necessarily compatible with hardware from the future.
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| 19:16 | <alkisg> or software, like windows 2008, which was the initial reason he bothered :)
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| 19:26 | <Jd0302> ;) future
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