IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 17 August 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:39 | <mealstrom> good morning
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| 06:57 | <Hyperbyte> Morning mealstrom :)
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| 07:00 | <mealstrom> Hyperbyte: hi, as i remember, you are using sflphones on ltsp thin clients, right?
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| 07:01 | <Hyperbyte> Yessir. :)
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| 07:02 | And as I remember you are running LTSP, which means you could add your location and LTSP success story to our worldmap at our brand new website http://www.ltsp.org/
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| 07:02 | (sorry, had to spam for a bit)
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| 07:37 | <mealstrom> Hyperbyte: sflphone is run as localapp or not?
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| 07:38 | oh new site design
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| 07:44 | <Hyperbyte> mealstrom, you can run it as both localapp and server app
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| 07:44 | Local app in theory should perform better, with 1.1.0 I've had problems running it locally, but with 1.2.0 it runs good again locally
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| 07:46 | <mealstrom> Hyperbyte: what headset you are using jack 3.5 or usb? (im using localapps for sflphone, and ive got usb headset with button mute on it. sometimes when im pressing mute my usb keyboard or usbmouse stop working until i press mute againe. some problems with usbhid)
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| 07:49 | <Hyperbyte> USB, Plantronics DA45 USB adapter, with Plantronics Supraplus wideband headsets
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| 07:50 | No idea about the mute button by the way, but you could easily disable the mute button alltogether
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| 07:51 | My DA45 adapter completely crashes X with it's USB device
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| 07:51 | I've disabled the USB HID in xorg conf
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| 07:51 | Audio still works then, as that's a seperate device.
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| 07:56 | <muppis> Maybe related or not: About two years ago there was problem with HP's mouse disabling button as it disabled all buttons. Problem was it triggered two separate places and could not enable it anymore, because the wrong be catches the button first.
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| 07:57 | /be/place
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| 08:00 | <mealstrom> hmm. i saw , there are usbhid , usbkbd, usbmouse modules. If i disables usbhid -- keyboard or mouse stops working. i was disabling them via RCFILE_XX="modprobe -r ..."
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| 08:03 | <Hyperbyte> mealstrom, you need to disable device, not the module
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| 08:06 | http://users.recreatie-zorg.nl/jan/plantronics.txt
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| 08:07 | That's how I disabled the Plantronics HID
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| 08:21 | <mealstrom> is there a way to add this to lts.conf ?
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| 08:23 | <Hyperbyte> mealstrom, not sure.
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| 08:24 | <mealstrom> just add script to chroot and update image ?
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| 08:27 | <Hyperbyte> Well you'll have to adapt it for your own USB device
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| 08:27 | And then add to chroot and update image
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| 10:30 | <muppis> I'm using fat and got local printer. Do it needes to be shared as in thin to get it working?
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| 12:43 | <muppis> For curiosity, how long takes when you run ltsp-update-image -i ?
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| 12:43 | <alkisg> What's -i ?
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| 12:43 | <muppis> Image only.
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| 12:43 | <alkisg> How big is the image, and what cpu? It depends...
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| 12:43 | E.g. for a fat image == 1 Gb compressed, it takes my laptop about 10 mins
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| 12:43 | <muppis> I'll put in pastebin when it finishes.
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| 12:44 | <alkisg> For a thin == 250 Mb compressed, much less
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| 12:45 | <muppis> Around 10 min has been for my fat.
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| 12:53 | <muppis> Q8400 (c2q 2,6 GHz) real 8m39.706s, image size 3.1G
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| 12:53 | Uncompressed.
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| 12:57 | <mealstrom> what type of storage you are using?
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| 12:57 | <muppis> Sata
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| 12:57 | <mealstrom> for mirror raid(2 sata) it takes about 5 minutes (2.3 uncompressed)
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| 12:57 | on amd phenom 4core
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| 12:58 | <muppis> Not in raid, and propably even Sata I
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| 12:58 | <mealstrom> i've got 2 sata (1) in software raid (md)
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| 12:59 | <mealstrom> bottleneck is disk IO. as i tested it uses tmp directory
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| 13:00 | best way is to use for this ramfs tmp directory and second drive for ltsp.img or ltsp_directory
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| 13:02 | in your case you've got one drive for : 1. disk read. 2. disk write to img.file 3. disk write to tmp dir.
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| 13:03 | <muppis> Hmm.. Now it frozes to 90%..
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| 13:04 | <mealstrom> thats ok
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| 13:06 | <muppis> 7m38.555s same chroot as compressed.
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| 13:07 | <mealstrom> nice time for 3.1 Gb
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| 13:07 | <muppis> Oh well.. User time is 10 min. :)
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> If you're doing that too frequently, you might want to consider a dedicated partition (or loopback file) instead of a chroot
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| 13:08 | <muppis> File size is now 1.4G
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| 13:08 | alkisg, I've thinking about that.
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> I've been using that method for quick testing for development, it works fine
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| 13:09 | <muppis> But I do not have room in existing hdd's nor to add separate hdd.
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> It needs less space than a chroot + an image
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| 13:09 | You create a loopback compressed btrfs partition
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| 13:10 | Move /opt/ltsp/i386 in there, and delete /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img completely
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| 13:15 | <muppis> Now I go out and fire up my grill :)
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| 17:41 | <blakes> Anyone know if there is a sabayon equivalent that works for manipulating the Unity desktop?
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| 18:12 | <muppis> I runned regular aptitude safe-upgrade to chroot and now nvidia module doesn't load..
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| 18:28 | <JamesC> hello all
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| 18:33 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i see that ubuntu's in feature freeze as of today ... does that mean we're likely to see LTSP and LDM using the same upstream version for debian and ubuntu? :)
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| 18:34 | <stgraber> vagrantc: feature freeze is next Thursday
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| 18:34 | but yeah, I'm not expecting any major change on LTSP by then
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| 18:34 | <vagrantc> nice :)
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| 18:35 | ah, i mistread the release schedule
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| 18:35 | week 17 != august 17th
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| 18:41 | <Schroeder> do the hardware requirements at http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation assume a graphical environment?
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| 18:43 | <vagrantc> Schroeder: those specs are a bit outdated
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| 18:44 | <dead_inside> you could probably still do graphical with those specs
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| 18:44 | <Schroeder> well
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| 18:44 | <vagrantc> 128M is still pretty much the realistic bare-minimum for a graphical thin client
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| 18:44 | <Schroeder> I actually am planning on a purely text-mode environment
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| 18:44 | <vagrantc> 64M might work for a text-mode environment
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| 18:44 | <Schroeder> and those specs seemed a bit high for that
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| 18:45 | <dead_inside> then you will be fine
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| 18:45 | <Schroeder> which is why I asked
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| 18:45 | <vagrantc> but some distros may not even boot with so little ram
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| 18:45 | * Schroeder is a dedicated Slacker, so no problem there :) | |
| 18:45 | <dead_inside> lol
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| 18:45 | <vagrantc> interested in getting upstream LTSP support into slackware?
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| 18:46 | * Schroeder would even use an older version if necessary | |
| 18:46 | <vagrantc> my first thin client implementation acctually started off essentially using slackware :)
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| 18:46 | <Schroeder> it's basically to provide an interface to our catalog and circulation system for a private membership-cooperative library I'm working with
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| 18:46 | * jocarter used to love slackware a long time ago | |
| 18:46 | <jocarter> (and then I came to my senses)
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| 18:47 | <Schroeder> so a curses UI over SSH is sufficient
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| 18:47 | so as long as the thin clients can run a recent version of ssh, I'm happy
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| 18:47 | <Hyperbyte> Hey everybody!
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| 18:47 | <dead_inside> sup Hyperbyte
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| 18:48 | <Hyperbyte> If you're using LTSP and you think it rocks, add your success story to the LTSP world map at our brand new website: http://www.ltsp.org/
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| 18:49 | * vagrantc has mixed feelings as to weather LTSP at freegeek is a success story :( | |
| 18:50 | <vagrantc> it used to be an obvious success ... now i'm not so sure
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| 18:50 | <jocarter> maybe you're just to close to it
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| 18:50 | if you get to close to anything you say all the ugly hairy parts
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| 18:50 | <vagrantc> maybe
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| 18:51 | we did make a significant improvement by throwing a nicer server at it
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| 18:51 | never really had the time to get fatclients and/or localapps working well.
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| 18:51 | though we could realistically set up hardware that could
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| 19:05 | <Schroeder> oh, so there's no way to just download a simple source tarball
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| 19:05 | LTSP just became MUCH less attractive
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| 19:05 | <dead_inside> ltsp is not a program, its a consept
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| 19:06 | <vagrantc> Schroeder: it is an install of $OS into a chroot, configured to be network booted
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| 19:06 | <elias_a> :P
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| 19:06 | <Schroeder> vagrantc: yes, I know
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| 19:06 | <elias_a> Back to basics! :D
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| 19:06 | <vagrantc> is it that hard to bootstrap a slackware chroot?
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| 19:20 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, I found a great tutorial about dual touch-screen setups on Ubuntu
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| 19:20 | Should be able to mock it all into an RCFILE I can load into lts.conf. :-)
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| 19:20 | Else I'll need to write some /etc/xdg/autostart/ magic. Either way, I think I can figure it out. :-)
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