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Channel log from 31 January 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:45 | <Ryan52> warren, I have fully working code for the language localization, but it's inefficient and stupid (ldm reads the entire file once for every language that ldminfod gives it), and I have a patch to make it load the info from the file into a hash once and then use that, but it doesn't work and makes ldm crash...and I'm done working on it for today...I'm gonna get it figured out tomorrow, tho.
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| 07:20 | <nubae> hmmm whats the ltsp twitter name again?
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| 11:36 | <markit> hi, is it possible / easy / how to :) have a thin client boot with ltsp, and then imediatly go with rdp to another host?
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| 11:36 | <johnny> yes..
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| 11:36 | you have to set some variables in lts.conf..
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| 11:36 | <markit> johnny: I've found something in the wiki, but did not understood
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| 11:37 | <johnny> i'm not sure what they are tho
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| 11:37 | <markit> johnny: can you point me somewhere more precise?
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| 11:37 | <johnny> sorry no
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| 11:37 | <markit> johnny: ok, thanks for trying :)
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| 11:37 | <johnny> i don't do anything with windows
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| 11:37 | just stick around
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| 11:37 | <ogra> wasnt that in the docs ?
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| 11:37 | <markit> johnny: lucky man
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| 11:37 | <ogra> !docs
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| 11:37 | <ltspbot> ogra: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 11:37 | <johnny> also.. try the posts on ltsp-discuss
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| 11:37 | or whatever it is called..
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| 11:38 | <markit> ogra: let me check the manual, thanks
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| 11:38 | I usually consider google and wiki the only source of knowledge :)
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| 11:38 | <ogra> look for rdesktop, if its in there that should be mentioned
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| 11:38 | <vagrantc> ogra: i think you used the old FSF address in your copyright header updates...
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| 11:38 | <ogra> vagrantc, eek
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| 11:39 | i just copy pasted :P
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| 11:39 | <markit> ogra: mmm "rdp" is not present in the manual, strange
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| 11:39 | <ogra> "rdesktop"
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| 11:39 | <vagrantc> ogra: lintian will catch it :)
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| 11:40 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, i didnt build packages, just since some days ago it came up when who did what here i decided to take the blame and add the headers to all files
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| 11:40 | <vagrantc> ogra: thanks for doing that! :)
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| 11:40 | <ogra> its far from ebing done :)
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| 11:40 | *being
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| 11:40 | <vagrantc> although i forsee a complicated debian/copyright file coming up...
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| 11:40 | <ogra> i only attacked the toplevel dirs yet
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| 11:41 | well, if i need to touch them again i should probably look at the new debian/copyright automation system and make it match best :)
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| 11:43 | <markit> ogra: thanks, much better :)
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| 11:44 | mm just one occurrence
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| 12:14 | <markit> I've found a setup, but don't tell in what file to enter: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Rdesktop
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| 12:16 | <ogra> the wiki doc are all for ltsp 4.x
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| 12:16 | <markit> lts.conf maybe
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| 12:16 | <ogra> *docs
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| 12:17 | <markit> I think I've solved, thanks :)
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| 13:04 | <markit> I'm puzzled.. if I set screen_02 with rdesktop, it boots with rdesktop only (with keyboard not working)
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| 13:04 | if I set screen_01 ldm
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| 13:05 | then I get an error "screen_01 contains a creen script ldm. Please change to another screen"
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| 13:05 | what am I doing wrong?
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| 13:05 | (SCREEN_01 uppercase)
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| 13:05 | <vagrantc> markit: use SCREEN_02-SCREEN_10
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| 13:06 | markit: if you define no SCREEN_*, it defaults to SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 13:07 | <markit> ah, not screen_01? what if I want to change the main login method? do I have to define screen_01 or screen_07?
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| 13:07 | <johnny> 7 for graphics
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| 13:08 | 01 is reserved on ubuntu
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| 13:08 | <vagrantc> though 7 is only a convention
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| 13:08 | <johnny> for now at least..
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| 13:08 | we should move to 01 at some point
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| 13:08 | for kms stuff
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| 13:08 | <vagrantc> markit: what is your goal, for the moment?
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| 13:13 | <nonix4> Umm is there a way to actually use ltsp-build-client that doesn't end up either building ridiculously oversized images or failing because of random http errors?
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| 13:14 | ... hardy's one at least either fails using http or tries to put the whole mirror there if using file:///
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| 13:16 | <markit> vagrantc: now works like a charm, thanks a lot
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| 13:17 | vagrantc: my goal is that a friend of mine has to provide rdp clients for a customer of him
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| 13:17 | and asked me about a gnu/linux based solution
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| 13:17 | and I'm experimenting about having the clent to automatically load ltsp and go in rdp login to M$crap server
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| 13:17 | later I will try with usb and sound (crossing my fingers)
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| 13:18 | now using screen_07 instead of _01 has solved the "deak keyboard" problem
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| 13:18 | I've to run, thanks again
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| 13:47 | <ogra> vagrantc, ugh https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2009-January/005074.html
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| 13:50 | <laga> ogra: ughß
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| 13:50 | ?
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| 13:51 | <ogra> the attempt is noble ... thugh the code is ugh....
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| 13:51 | *though
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| 13:53 | <laga> heh
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| 13:53 | i was wondering about code quality when i saw the .tgz
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc> sure is nice to have all those .original files!
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| 14:00 | <ogra> heh
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| 14:00 | * vagrantc wonders why they didn't just write a plugin to hook into the regular initramfs-tools... | |
| 14:00 | <vagrantc> rather than mangling everything...
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| 14:01 | <ogra> right
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| 14:01 | and use update-initramf with -b instead of shuffling the files around
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| 14:01 | *update-initramfs
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| 14:02 | <vagrantc> clearly, they just need more experience coding, is all, i guess.
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| 14:02 | <ogra> yep
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| 14:02 | but the way it is it can easily trash your chroot ... he should probably have mentioned to make a backup before in his mail
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| 14:03 | <vagrantc> sure.
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| 14:06 | <laga> maybe we can add that code to automatix
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| 14:06 | <ogra> lol
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| 14:06 | <laga> "oh hai, we re-invented the wheel. it'll break your box"
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| 14:06 | ;)
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| 14:11 | <warren> ogra: please, let us not merge any insanity like that.
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| 14:11 | aside from obvious issues like it is impossible for wlan to PXE
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| 14:11 | It doesn't belong in ltsp
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| 14:11 | <ogra> warren, lol, definately not
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| 14:11 | <warren> nor should it even be called LTSP
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| 14:11 | <ogra> ove my dead body
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| 14:11 | +r
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| 14:12 | <ogra> it would be nice to have something like that as external project that can hook into ltsp ... but first it shold be coded in a sane and non destroying way
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| 14:13 | <laga> maybe we can add network-manager to the initramfs
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| 14:13 | * laga hides | |
| 14:13 | <ogra> now thats a good idea !
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| 14:13 | we'll do that when it entered the ubuntu and fedora server releases
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| 14:14 | * Ryan52 sighs at the Debian packaging for ldm...it breaks my changes. | |
| 14:14 | <ogra> fix it :)
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: what's the issue?
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| 14:17 | <Ryan52> vagrantc, I'm just generating the data in the top directory, so "DESTDIR=../debian/ldm/" doesn't work...3 options to fix it. a) DESTDIR=$(shell readlink -f ../debian/ldm/) # or something like that, I suck at make files. b) replace the "make install" line with dh_auto_install, requiring changing the debhelper depends/compat to 7, or c) just replace the whole debian/rules with a dh7 version. which one do you want me to do?
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| 14:18 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: i'm fine with debhelper 7.
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| 14:18 | <Ryan52> okie doke.
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| 14:18 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: since i have no intention of backporting current versions to etch.
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| 14:19 | <ogra> there is no backport of dh7 in debian ?
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| 14:19 | <Ryan52> there is
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| 14:19 | <ogra> ubuntu has one
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| 14:19 | ah
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> in any case, i have no intention of backporting ldm anyways, so it's moot :)
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| 14:20 | i mean, i'll backport to lenny, but that has dh7
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| 14:20 | <ogra> ha !
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| 14:20 | * ogra found the proper debian bug for his arm issues :) | |
| 14:21 | <Ryan52> I guess I finally get to figure out if I can push to the packaging repo :)
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> probably not :)
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| 14:23 | <warren> laga: we're eventually adding NetworkManager to our initrd
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| 14:23 | laga: probably in a year or two
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> whoah.
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| 14:23 | <warren> we already have NetworkManager in gdm
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| 14:23 | <ogra> warren, and your server team allows that ?
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| 14:24 | <warren> ogra: NetworkManager will eventually become a complete replacement
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| 14:24 | <ogra> or do you start creating different initrds ?
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| 14:24 | heh, QED
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| 14:24 | <warren> ogra: NetworkManager is already default here
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| 14:25 | <ogra> i mean its great for desktop setups ...
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| 14:25 | <warren> ogra: the people upset are becoming fewer and fewer
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| 14:25 | <nubae> well, I'm still upset
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| 14:25 | <ogra> but i want to see it five network cards with different routes and sub routes
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| 14:25 | <warren> it is interoperable with our old way of configuring network interfaces now
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| 14:25 | <ogra> *see it handle
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| 14:25 | <nubae> and just 2 days ago I had a bunch of people bitching about intrepid and nm 0.7
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| 14:26 | <warren> ogra: yeah, it upsets people where it doesn't handle corner cases. Last year that corner just happened to be 75% of cases. =)
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| 14:26 | <ogra> nubae, well, the prob in ubuntu is that nobody actually makes the complete cut
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| 14:26 | <warren> NM upstream implements its own thing, and your own distro has to implement stubs to interoperate with the old way you configured networks
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: the packaging repositories should be group-writeable now.
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| 14:26 | <ogra> suckyness in ubuntu is mainly because NM isnt fully there yet and they try to retain all opportunities working
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| 14:26 | <nubae> well, I've started deleting everything but it, and then it seems to be ok
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| 14:27 | <Ryan52> kk
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| 14:27 | <nubae> but u cant have remnants of anything else
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| 14:27 | <ogra> so you have two half breeded solutions that interfere
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| 14:27 | <warren> Sounds like Ubuntu didn't implement the interop tihngs
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| 14:27 | <nubae> but what Ive ended up having to do is, delete networking completely on my laptop and leave just nm
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| 14:27 | <warren> ogra: I personally use both service network and service NetworkManager and it doesn't interfere.
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| 14:27 | <nubae> and on my server delete nm and leave just networking
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| 14:27 | <ogra> it did, but many of them are not even nearly as powerful as the debian model
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| 14:28 | <warren> ifdown and ifup here are integrated with NM
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| 14:28 | <ogra> and getting somwthing right on top of the debian network design isnt easy
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| 14:28 | <nubae> they are supposed to be on buntu too... but they are not
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| 14:28 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: there were a few files i didn't have permission to change, but those are (i hope) all just old tagged releases and such.
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| 14:28 | <ogra> lots and lots of failed attempts can be found in debians history
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| 14:29 | you will never see ubuntu server use NM
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| 14:29 | likewise for debian
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| 14:29 | <Ryan52> DEBVER=$(shell dpkg-parsechangelog |sed -n -e '/^Version:/s/^Version: //p')
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| 14:29 | export ENABLE_NLS=1
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| 14:29 | vagrantc, what are those for?
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| 14:29 | <ogra> warren, they are too in ubuntu ... but our /etc/network/interfaces setup is so powerful that ifup/ifdown dont completely cover it
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| 14:30 | there are millions of corner cases
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| 14:30 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: "copies" of released versions that pre-date tagging in bzr.
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| 14:30 | <nubae> hey are there plans to get git working with launchpad?
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| 14:30 | <ogra> and you can have a two or three digit number of tools that edit /etc/network/interfaces in different ways ...
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: oh, sorry, wrong question :)
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| 14:31 | * Ryan52 was talking about the lines that he pasted... | |
| 14:31 | * ogra points nubae to #launchpad :) | |
| 14:31 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: the ENABLE_NLS=1 was needed to get translations working.
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| 14:31 | <Ryan52> for which tool?
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| 14:31 | <nubae> yy... but ogra is a supercow and is sure to give me a quick answer
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| 14:31 | :p
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: not sure if DEBVER is used anymore ... i *think* it was used for the bzr-release target or some such.
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| 14:32 | <ogra> nubae, different team inside canonical :) i'm just a customer as you are :)
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| 14:32 | <nubae> u really haven't heard anything about that?
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| 14:32 | <ogra> i'm doing happy dances that we have signed PPAs now
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| 14:32 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: the first time we got translations working at all, i needed ENABLE_NLS=1 in there.
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| 14:32 | <ogra> i'm not intrested in git
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| 14:32 | nor is any of my colleages
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| 14:33 | <Ryan52> ok.
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| 14:33 | <ogra> and our kernel team works on their own server
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| 14:33 | <nubae> ok, I'll go find out... and I'll give the answer here :p
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| 14:33 | <ogra> but i really doubt it
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| 14:33 | <nubae> /join #launchpad
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| 14:33 | oops
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| 14:33 | stupid empathy
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| 14:33 | * alkisg wonders why the ubuntu alternate CD does install network manager, even with "install an ltsp server" option selected...:( | |
| 14:33 | <ogra> there are not many actual ubuntu devs that use git
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| 14:33 | <nubae> well if any of them work on sugar there are
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| 14:34 | <ogra> alkisg, because ltsp is just an addon to desktop and because NM is fine in that setup
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| 14:34 | especially on new installs
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| 14:34 | <ogra> NM is only actually problematic if you want backwards compatibility
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| 14:34 | but it will fully respect ltsp
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> Bah... I always uninstall it, I had problems with it some time ago, and all I was trying to do was have 2 static ips :)
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| 14:35 | <ogra> right *some time ago*
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| 14:35 | like three releases in the past :P
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| 14:35 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: looks like ldm 2:2.0.1-1 is the first version in debian that had translations working...
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> Now I'm using bonding, so again, it's useless.. :)
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| 14:36 | <ogra> right, its crap for bonding
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| 14:36 | it works fine in a setup where you dont fiddle with your network setup on the low level
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| 14:36 | it wont touch interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces
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| 14:37 | <Ryan52> is stgraber's translation stuff done?
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| 14:37 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: no idea.
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| 14:38 | i haven't tested ldm-trunk since 2.0.28, actually.
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| 14:43 | <laga> ogra: actually, the ltsp_over_wlan stuff doesnt look too bad.. other than the fact that it's not an initramfs hook and overwrites files
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| 14:43 | <stgraber> Ryan52: not yet no ...
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| 14:44 | <Ryan52> stgraber, is it taggable anyway?
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| 14:44 | <stgraber> Ryan52: I still have to write that .pot/.po/.mo generator script and integrate it with the build process
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| 14:44 | Ryan52: probably, you just won't have any translation support for rc.d scripts
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| 14:44 | * Ryan52 nods | |
| 14:46 | <ogra> laga, it does a lot of insane things
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: for some reason, it didn't get Esperonto, although the previous incarnations of ldminfod did.
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| 14:48 | Ryan52: generate.py, that is
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| 14:48 | <laga> ogra: yes, but i expected it to be worse ;)
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| 14:50 | <Ryan52> what's it's locale code?
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: "eo" is the locale code for esperonto.
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| 14:50 | Ryan52: no territory at all
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| 14:51 | <Ryan52> oh.
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| 14:51 | hrm.
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: also curious if we want the @euro locales, as they are not UTF-8, and i think ldm assumes UTF-8 locales
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| 14:52 | * Ryan52 wonders why this packaging has a binary-indep target that does stuff.. | |
| 14:53 | <vagrantc> i guess have a small handfull of extra locales won't hurt anything.
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| 14:54 | Ryan52: most of the debian/rules came from very early revisions, so there's probably lots of cruft in there.
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| 14:54 | Ryan52: much of it goes back to revision 1 of the ltsp project.
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| 14:55 | <Ryan52> o
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| 14:55 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: i'd suggest just starting with the basic debhelper 7 debian/rules file, and adding the obvious specific stuff.
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| 15:00 | <Ryan52> what do you mean by "@euro"?
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| 15:00 | I think my code ignores that.
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> ./generate.py | egrep '@euro' | head -n 1
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| 15:01 | de_AT@euro Deutsch (Österreich)
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| 15:01 | <Ryan52> P: ldm: no-homepage-field
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| 15:02 | should I add ltsp.org as ldm's Homepage?
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| 15:02 | * Ryan52 <3 lintian's pedantic mode | |
| 15:02 | <Ryan52> :)
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| 15:02 | <cliebow> whats the metapackage name for tools to compile etc?
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: sounds fine to me, though it would be ideal to find a specific page for ldm.
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| 15:03 | <Ryan52> are there any?
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| 15:03 | * Ryan52 doesn't think there are.. | |
| 15:03 | <vagrantc> i don't think there are, but i bet we could make one for each of the major LTSP projects.
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| 15:04 | <Ryan52> meh. that sounds like work :p
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| 15:04 | hrm. can I use debcommit with this bzr set up?
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: i don't *think* so, but i've never tried.
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| 15:06 | i think debcommit assumes a debian dir within the Vcs-* location
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| 15:06 | whereas the Vcs-* location is actually just the debian dir, in this case.
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| 15:06 | and the control file in generated, so i'd be surprised if debcommit could figure it out
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| 15:07 | <Ryan52> how is that relevant?
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| 15:07 | woah
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| 15:07 | * Ryan52 thinks vagrantc needs the machine readable copyright format | |
| 15:07 | <vagrantc> how would debcommit figure out where to commit to.
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| 15:07 | <Ryan52> 0.o I don't think it does that.
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> yeah, i haven't done the unpleasant work of rewriting all the copyright stuff. but ogra's recent commits will make that necessary :)
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| 15:08 | Ryan52: how does debcommit figure out where to commit to?
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| 15:08 | <Ryan52> it just commits.
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| 15:08 | svn ci -m "blah"
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| 15:08 | $ grep Vcs `which debcommit`
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| 15:08 | $
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| 15:08 | <ogra> doesnt it pull that out of control ?
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| 15:09 | james_w in #ubuntu-devel would know if he was around ...
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: well, i almost assure you, it won't work.
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| 15:09 | Ryan52: but there's one way to find out :)
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| 15:09 | <ogra> vagrantc, feel free to leave it to me ... its a nice work for killing time on sundays
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> ogra: heh. :)
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| 15:10 | * Ryan52 pushes | |
| 15:11 | <Ryan52> okay, so now for the languages that don't have a territory...hrm.
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: so it's smart enough to figure out that if debian/.bzr exists, ignore .bzr ?
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| 15:12 | <Ryan52> dunno. I didn't use it.
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> ah. :)
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| 15:14 | <Ryan52> so how do I figure out what's a valid locale code, then?
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| 15:15 | I was looking for things with a _, and that didn't give any false positives on Fedora, but I guess it does on Debian.
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> what's your current logic?
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| 15:15 | <Ryan52> it gets rid of anything after a . or a space.
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| 15:15 | and then it looks for a _
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: it looks like you dropped the - ./configure --prefix=/usr --libexecdir=/usr/lib
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| 15:15 | <ogra> sounds ok to me for a start
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: was that intentional?
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| 15:16 | <Ryan52> yes, of course.
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| 15:16 | dh calls dh_auto_configure
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| 15:16 | which does that for us.
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> nice.
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| 15:18 | Ryan52: special-casing "eo" seems silly...
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| 15:19 | also appears to be "ia", whatever that is.
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| 15:21 | <Ryan52> so, can I just ignore them? :)
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: but those are the only two exceptions in found in /etc/locale.gen
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| 15:21 | which seems the same as /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED
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| 15:22 | Ryan52: well, invariably someone would file a bug on them.
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| 15:26 | * Ryan52 fixed it | |
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| 15:28 | <Ryan52> how do I do try and except without running any code in the except?
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| 15:28 | * Ryan52 gets: IndentationError: expected an indented block | |
| 15:28 | <Ryan52> if I leave that part empty.
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| 15:29 | <johnny> Ryan52, pass ?
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| 15:29 | <Ryan52> thanks
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| 15:29 | <johnny> not that i'm that big of a python person.. i could be wrong
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| 15:29 | <Ryan52> it works!
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| 15:31 | vagrantc, have you actually tested my changes?
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| 15:32 | or just the generate.py part?
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| 15:34 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: "pass"
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| 15:34 | Ryan52: just the generate.py part (which should maybe be renamed to generate_locale_list.py or some such?)
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| 15:36 | <Ryan52> ok.
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: while we have no examples at this time, there are other languages with 3 letter codes :)
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| 15:37 | <Ryan52> ugh.
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| 15:37 | <johnny> the nighmares of language and timezones
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| 15:37 | :(
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| 15:37 | * johnny doesn't envy Ryan52 | |
| 15:37 | <johnny> Ryan52, try joining the tzdata folks if you want real fun
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> well, no examples without a corresponding territory.
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| 15:38 | <Ryan52> heh
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| 15:38 | vagrantc, if and when that happens, we can figure something out :)
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: fair enough.
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| 15:39 | <re-G> ltsp over wlan new version: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2009-January/005074.html
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| 15:39 | <stgraber> vagrantc: about that ltsp-genmenu thing, just go ahead and merge it, I'll tag and release a new ltsp in Ubuntu once I'm sure it works in my setups.
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| 15:41 | <vagrantc> i'm hesitant to merge it, but as long as all other things simply append to XDG_DATA_DIRS, it should be fine...
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| 15:41 | <Ryan52> okay, I think I'm ready to tag now.
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| 15:41 | vagrantc, can you test with ldm itself really quickly, just to make sure that I'm not insane? :)
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| 15:42 | it works for perfectly for me, but ya..
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| 15:42 | <stgraber> vagrantc: IIRC desktop-profiles appends to XDG_DATA_DIRS, so as long as it's set before Xsession is called, it should be handled correctly
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> stgraber: yeah, it is.
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| 15:42 | <stgraber> vagrantc: I've forwarded your mail to the guy doing most of our xdg stuff just to make sure and will try when I've a minute (I hope later today)
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| 15:43 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: i could test later tonight, but not immediately...
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| 15:43 | <Ryan52> oh, ok.
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| 15:44 | * Ryan52 will just tag then | |
| 15:46 | <stgraber> ok, it's already -25C here, sounds like a good idea of going outside before it gets even colder :) See you later.
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| 15:47 | <ogra> dont lick the metal poles
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> Where is stgraber living? North pole? :O
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| 15:47 | <jammcq> good afternoon folks
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| 15:47 | <ogra> alkisg, not far, yeah
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| 15:48 | yo jam
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| 15:48 | <jammcq> howdie oliver
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| 15:48 | <ogra> :)
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| 16:19 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: well, maybe i can give it a whirl in the next 25ish minutes...
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| 16:32 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: or not.
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| 16:32 | <Ryan52> ok
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| 16:37 | warren, ldm is ready to be tagged and built for F-9, F-10, and devel...should I "make tag && make build", or do you wanna look it over and/or test first?
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> 7 minutes, package still building...
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| 16:39 | <Ryan52> vagrantc, when you get time, the Debian package just needs "dch -r" and to be uploaded, I think :)
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| 16:39 | <stgraber> vagrantc: I got confirmation from our xdg-guy that desktop-profiles will just append to an existing XDG_DATA_DIRS so your change should work just fine
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| 16:39 | * johnny still needs tarballs.. | |
| 16:39 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: yeah, basically testing that
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| 16:45 | * vagrantc hears the buzzer | |
| 16:46 | * vagrantc goes to work | |
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: looks promising so far. will try for a real upload tonight.
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| 16:48 | <Ryan52> ok.
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> may also have to add debian/changelog entries for 2.0.29+
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| 18:27 | <stgraber> Ryan52: I've done the Makefile for ldmrc, I'm pushing the code now. Do you happen to have some autotools knowledge ?
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| 18:27 | <Ryan52> not really, but maybe some..
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| 18:27 | it depends :)
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| 18:27 | <stgraber> my Makefile should be used as part of the build process so the .mo are generated but I have no idea how to do so ...
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| 18:28 | <Ryan52> stgraber, push it and I'll play with it.
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| 18:28 | * Ryan52 thinks he might know how. | |
| 18:29 | <stgraber> looking at some other dirs, looks like automagic is looking for Makefile.am in all directories, so I just renamed it for now
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| 18:29 | no idea if that works though :)
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| 18:31 | didn't work :(
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| 18:33 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "debdiff ldm_2.0.28-1_i386.changes ldm_2.0.31-1~20090131.1_i386.changes" (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/228
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| 18:33 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: ^^ looks like ldmgtkgreet got relocated...
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| 18:33 | yet it still seems to work.
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| 18:34 | <Ryan52> weird.
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| 18:36 | <stgraber> Ryan52: renaming it to Makefile.in and adding it to the configure.ac seems to work
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| 18:36 | <Ryan52> vagrantc, push @opts, "--libexecdir=\${prefix}/lib/".sourcepackage();
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| 18:36 | hrm..
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| 18:37 | *shrug*. we can override it.
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| 18:39 | <stgraber> Ryan52: generate-local-list failed here
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| 18:39 | <Ryan52> what's the error?
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| 18:40 | <ltsppbot> "stgraber" pasted "generate_locale_list.py failed" (13 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/229
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| 18:41 | <Ryan52> hrm.
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| 18:43 | vagrantc, pushed fix.
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| 18:43 | stgraber, do you know how to fix it? :)
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| 18:43 | cause I don't...:p
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| 18:43 | don't I have try/except around it?
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| 18:44 | <stgraber> Ryan52: I'll try to fix it, for now I just commented the locale part in my Makefile as I was testing something else :)
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| 18:44 | <Ryan52> ok.
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| 18:44 | if you figure out how to fix that, then please fix the other place where it's doing try and except too :)
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| 18:45 | <stgraber> Ryan52: hmm, can you check why my rc.d po changes and see why autotools doesn't seem to use it ? the Makefile.in is correctly change to Makefile by the autotools but doing a make doesn't call my makefile ...
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| 18:46 | <Ryan52> I'll try :)
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| 18:50 | * Ryan52 thinks he has it fixed.. | |
| 18:52 | <Ryan52> stgraber, add po/rc.d to the SUBDIRS list in Makefile.am?
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| 18:55 | <stgraber> Ryan52: fixed your python issue
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| 18:55 | <Ryan52> yay!
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| 18:55 | thanks.
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| 18:57 | <stgraber> though, it works fine on my system but may break if the system isn't utf-8
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| 18:57 | Ryan52: sounds like what I missed :) Trying with it added to Makefile.am now
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| 19:00 | <Ryan52> uhh...0.o. wth?
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| 19:00 | <stgraber> oh, looks like I commited from the wrong directory :)
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| 19:00 | commiting the real fix now :)
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| 19:01 | <Ryan52> heh. ok.
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| 19:02 | <stgraber> Next time I do a copy of ldm-trunk to ldm-test I should make sure I don't keep the .bzr :)
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| 19:03 | <johnny> uhmm? shouldn't you just do bzr branch?
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| 19:03 | * johnny is confused | |
| 19:04 | <stgraber> johnny: nope, it's for build testing, I should actually do a bzr export or something similar
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| 19:04 | <johnny> ah yeah .. export is good
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| 19:05 | export in bzr,git,mtn,hg is simpler than what it takes for svn and cvs
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| 19:05 | <stgraber> Ryan52: worked, I have the .mo generate this time
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| 19:05 | <markit> hi, I want to have local sound in rdesktop session. I run a -r sound:local, but no sound, even if I've the speaker icon :( anything further to do?
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| 19:05 | ltsp5 dedian sid
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| 19:05 | <stgraber> I'll just make sure all scrippts use gettext now and rebuild the template + translate to french
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| 19:06 | then push that and tag a new release so my customers will stop naging me on Monday :)
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| 19:07 | <Ryan52> stgraber: http://slexy.org/view/s2wgpe4gea
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| 19:08 | <stgraber> oh, looks like we've a problem somewhere :)
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| 19:08 | <Ryan52> ya.
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| 19:09 | maybe what you're doing is causing more of the exceptions that I'm catching?
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| 19:09 | (exceptions, or whatever you python people call them)
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| 19:09 | <stgraber> hmm, is the function I touched called from inside a try/except ?
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| 19:09 | <Ryan52> yes :p
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| 19:10 | <stgraber> hmm, ok, I'll try with replacing those "pass" by a "raise" :)
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| 19:18 | <Ryan52> hrm. if I don't pipe it into anything, and don't have it reopen stdout to a file, it (might) work normally.
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| 19:19 | I can't tell.
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| 19:34 | <stgraber> pushed a fix ... basically adding another except ...
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| 19:34 | I also added a line defining two variables one containing the current locale and the other the current encoding
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| 19:34 | I thought you may like to use that instead of parsing the environment
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| 19:36 | <stgraber> I read a few pages about encoding with python and it seems that in our case we have input files with varying encoding making python's encoding converter to fail ...
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| 19:37 | even with using different combinations of encoding and decoding
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| 19:38 | <Ryan52> why did you add "language, output_encoding = locale.getdefaultlocale()"?
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| 19:42 | <stgraber> so you can use "language" instead of os.getenv["locale"] if you want
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| 19:42 | (but haven't done that change)
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| 19:43 | <Ryan52> I'm not getting anything out of the environment, I'm just putting stuff into it to change the locale. (which is a horrible hack, but ya..)
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| 19:47 | <stgraber> oh, ok :)
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| 19:48 | dropped it
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| 20:01 | <stgraber> translations should be working now, I just pushed the complete fr.po and will tag later tonight or tomorrow
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| 20:25 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 20:26 | <stgraber> evening sbalneav
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| 20:26 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 20:28 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq!
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| 20:28 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: !!
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| 20:28 | jammcq: !!
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| 20:28 | <jammcq> hey vagrantc
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| 20:28 | * vagrantc waves | |
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| 21:12 | <warren> Ryan52: just do it, you're co-maintainer
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| 21:12 | Ryan52: i'll test after built
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| 21:13 | <Ryan52> ok.
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| 21:16 | BUILDPATH CLEAN: removing /tmp/tmp.bhu015HoZG/ldm-2.0.32/po/rc.d/Makefile.in
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| 21:17 | mkdst removes it, and then stuff fails because it's not there.
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| 21:17 | gah, it's in our .bzrignore
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| 21:19 | * Ryan52 pokes around | |
| 21:20 | <warren> was Makefile.in .bzrignore before?
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| 21:20 | <Ryan52> yes
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| 21:20 | stgraber added po/rc.d/Makefile.in
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| 21:21 | <warren> only generated stuff should be in .bzrignore
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| 21:22 | quite possibly Makefile.in should be removed from .bzrignore
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| 21:22 | <Ryan52> we want it removed everywhere else, tho.
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| 21:22 | * Ryan52 thinks he figured out how to fix it | |
| 21:22 | <warren> Ryan52: either that, or mkdst needs to be sensitive to pathnames
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| 21:23 | <Ryan52> copying the way it happens in po
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| 21:23 | <warren> mkdst can't handle pathnames in .bzrignore
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| 21:23 | which is a mkdst bug
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| 21:23 | <Ryan52> bzr handles it the same way.
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| 21:24 | anyway, I got it.
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| 21:26 | <stgraber> I'll do some upstream change now btw
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| 21:26 | having a Makefile in a sub-sub-directory doesn't seem to work well with DESTDIR ...
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| 21:26 | <Ryan52> yes it does.
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| 21:26 | well, wait.
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| 21:26 | fix your packaging.
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| 21:27 | my locales stuff is also broken cause it's in the topdir.
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| 21:27 | but it's the debian/rules that's broken.
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| 21:27 | 2:17 < Ryan52> vagrantc, I'm just generating the data in the top directory, so "DESTDIR=../debian/ldm/" doesn't work...3 options to fix it. a) DESTDIR=$(shell readlink -f ../debian/ldm/) # or something like that
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| 21:27 | , I suck at make files. b) replace the "make install" line with dh_auto_install, requiring changing the debhelper depends/compat to 7, or c) just replace the whole debian/rules with a dh7 version. which one do yo
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| 21:27 | u want me to do?
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| 21:27 | stgraber: pick your choice :)
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| 21:27 | (the redone debian/rules with dh7 is done in vagrantc's repo, if you wanna steal it)
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| 21:28 | <stgraber> I guess I'll just go with dh 7 :)
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| 21:28 | <Ryan52> really to fix it you just need to use a full path for DESTDIR, in some way.
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| 21:30 | * Ryan52 is going to tag another version to rename the Makefile.in | |
| 21:30 | <Ryan52> stgraber, anything else before I tag?
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| 21:30 | <stgraber> just checking, wait a sec :)
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| 21:31 | ouch, moving from dh4 to dh7 :)
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| 21:31 | <vagrantc> ouch?
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| 21:31 | <Ryan52> heh
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| 21:33 | <stgraber> well, I didn't think we still had debian/compat == 4 for ldm in Ubuntu :)
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| 21:33 | <vagrantc> how many more versions of ldm-trunk do people plan to tag tonight?
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| 21:33 | i didn't think debian/compat was needed anymore...
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| 21:33 | <stgraber> vagrantc: so your debian/rules is all dh7 ?
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| 21:33 | <Ryan52> vagrantc, it is.
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| 21:34 | <vagrantc> stgraber: the ldm-experimental-packaging branch, yes.
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| 21:34 | stgraber: nothing released yet, but if upstream ever calms down again, maybe i could :)
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| 21:36 | <Ryan52> warren, can the datestamp thing be automatically incrimented somehow?
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| 21:36 | (without me writing a script :) )
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| 21:40 | * Ryan52 wonders how po/Makefile works.. | |
| 21:40 | <vagrantc> configure.ac:40: required file `po/rc.d/Makefile.in' not found
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| 21:41 | ldm 2.0.32 doesn't work so well for me...
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| 21:41 | <Ryan52> yes, I know, I'm fixing it.
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| 21:41 | that's because mkdst removes it.
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| 21:41 | because it's in .bzrignore
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| 21:41 | <vagrantc> oh hell.
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| 21:41 | <Ryan52> so I tried renaming it to Makefile.in.in like is on po/
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| 21:41 | but it didn't work..
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| 21:42 | in po/, Makefile.in.in because Makefile and Makefile.in
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| 21:42 | but in po/rc.d/ it only becomes Makefile.in
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| 21:42 | what kind of black magic is this? 0.o
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| 21:42 | <vagrantc> always looked weird to me.
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| 21:43 | <Ryan52> apparently it's normal.
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| 21:49 | <vagrantc> how important are the fixes since ldm 2.0.31 ?
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| 21:50 | <Ryan52> just alkisg's race condition and my insane language mess. :)
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| 21:50 | <stgraber> Ryan52: that was 2.0.31
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| 21:51 | 2.0.31 => 2.0.32 is mainly rc.d translations and a small bugfix on the local generator
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| 21:51 | *locale
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| 21:51 | <Ryan52> oh, I thought he said in.
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| 21:55 | <stgraber> btw, I just hacked around dh4 for now, I'll work on merging vagrantc's dh7 branch later
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| 21:55 | btw, $(shell readlink -m debian/ldm/) that was
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| 21:55 | <vagrantc> i'm wondering if i shouldn't just maintain a branch for debian that merges in each upstream version and keeps the debian dir in place.
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| 21:55 | * Ryan52 nods | |
| 21:59 | <vagrantc> ok, i'll keep building against 2.0.31 with patches until y'all get the po stuff sorted out.
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| 21:59 | <Ryan52> okay, pushed.
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| 21:59 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: why didn't you just add the locale list generator thing to Makefiles to be installed into DESTDIR ?
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| 22:00 | <stgraber> Ryan52: so what's it called then ? Makefile.in.in.in.in ? :)
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| 22:00 | <Ryan52> stgraber, somethin like that :)
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| 22:00 | I have configure processing it from Makefile.in.in to Makefile.in and then to Makefile
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| 22:00 | doesn't seem to hurt anything
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| 22:00 | tho I still wonder how the one in po/ works..
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| 22:01 | vagrantc, why not do it the way I did?
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| 22:01 | <stgraber> AFAIK the one in po/ uses even more magic than mine as it's completely handled by autotools/automake/...
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| 22:01 | <Ryan52> ya.
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| 22:02 | <Ryan52> vagrantc, stgraber: anything else before I tag?
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| 22:02 | * Ryan52 wants to make this the last tag of the day ;) | |
| 22:03 | <stgraber> I sent .32 to the builder already so nothing for me :)
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| 22:03 | <Ryan52> do you not use mkdst? 0.o
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| 22:04 | <stgraber> I do but something was wrong with my bzrignore it seems :)
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| 22:04 | so I actually have .32 with the .in in it ...
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| 22:04 | <Ryan52> ah, ok.
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| 22:04 | * stgraber wonders why bzr pull doesn't get .bzrignore | |
| 22:05 | <Ryan52> ?
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| 22:06 | <stgraber> bah, nevermind something broke somewhere :) I seem to have a .bzrignore with the right content but I still got a .tar.gz with the Makefile.in in it ...
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| 22:06 | will make sure it doesn't happen next time I generate a .tar.gz :)
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| 22:07 | <vagrantc> stgraber: older version of mkdst?
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| 22:08 | * Ryan52 goes to tag | |
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| 22:08 | <Gadi> vagrantc: hey - thx for the rigor... again :)
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| 22:09 | * Gadi looked at the bzr branch and it looks good | |
| 22:10 | <vagrantc> Gadi: should probably just merge it, then...
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| 22:11 | <Gadi> u bet
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| 22:11 | go ahead
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| 22:11 | i assume you tested it and it works
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| 22:11 | yes?
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| 22:13 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 22:13 | my only fear is if it breaks stuff
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| 22:13 | i'm gettiing funny characters for the japanese and chinese language selection in ldm... guessing i just need to install the right font, probably?
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| 22:14 | <Gadi> well, I would say that any desktop that does not check for the existance of the var and simply overwrites it is in the wrong
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| 22:14 | <vagrantc> little boxes with numbers...
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| 22:14 | <Gadi> but, that said, we could always set XDG_HOME_DIRS
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| 22:14 | instead of XDG_DATA_DIRS
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| 22:15 | I would assume that no distros mess with XDG_HOME_DIRS
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| 22:15 | and leave that to the user
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| 22:15 | <stgraber> Gadi: isn't this one even more likely to be overwritten ?
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| 22:16 | I checked and the tools using XDG_DATA_DIRS correctly append values to it (well, I only checked gnome :))
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| 22:18 | * Gadi shrugs | |
| 22:18 | <Gadi> let's not let our fears get the better of us
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| 22:18 | let's push it upstream and see what happens
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| 22:19 | I think it is a preferrable approach to mucking with homedirs
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| 22:22 | <stgraber> Ryan52: I have to do another upload of ldm, so I'll just use .33 when it's out (I forgot to add python-lxml as build-dep with the previous upload)
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| 22:23 | <Ryan52> oh, did I not push?
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| 22:23 | <stgraber> Ryan52: I pulled a few minute ago and didn't get the .33
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| 22:23 | * Ryan52 psuhes | |
| 22:23 | <Ryan52> *pushes
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| 22:24 | done.
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| 22:24 | <stgraber> thanks
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| 22:26 | Ryan52: did you tag it ? I see the version commit but not the tag
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| 22:26 | oh, it's there
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| 22:26 | sorry
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| 22:27 | <vagrantc> the hurrier we go, the faster we wait!
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| 22:27 | <Ryan52> heh
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| 22:31 | <vagrantc> ok, i tested 2.0.31 and it works, although some languages require additional fonts to display properly.
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| 22:32 | <Ryan52> that makes sense.
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| 22:34 | oh, crap.
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| 22:34 | fwiw, it builds fine on Fedora...:)
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| 22:34 | but it don't build for me on Debian.
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| 22:35 | $ fakeroot make -f debian/rules clean
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| 22:35 | <stgraber> except that missing build-dep it built fine on Ubuntu too :) the fixed one is on the builder at the moment
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| 22:35 | <Ryan52> blows up on stgraber's makefile.
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| 22:36 | <stgraber> what's wrong with my makefile again ? :)
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| 22:36 | <Ryan52> no distclean target
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| 22:36 | <stgraber> oh, so it fails for ltsp-trunk too then :)
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| 22:36 | <Ryan52> which is needed for debian/rules clean target.
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| 22:36 | ?
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| 22:36 | <stgraber> it's a copy of ltsp-trunk/po :)
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| 22:37 | <Ryan52> oh.
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| 22:37 | *shrug*
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| 22:37 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: ever heard of debclean?
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| 22:37 | <Ryan52> no.
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| 22:37 | there are too many scripts in devscripts :)
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| 22:38 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: it's condsiderably shorter to type to run the above mentioned clean target :)
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| 22:38 | <Ryan52> yes.
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| 22:39 | * Ryan52 thinks vagrantc should just upload 2.0.31 (if it works and everything) and wait for 2.0.34 :) | |
| 22:40 | <stgraber> yeah, I'm using 9 builders at the same time :)
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| 22:40 | <Ryan52> 9?
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| 22:40 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: what's wrong with 2.0.33 ?
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| 22:40 | <Ryan52> vagrantc, clean target doesn't work.
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| 22:41 | * Ryan52 thinks that it's a change with dh7 | |
| 22:41 | <Ryan52> cause the old rules just ran "make clean"
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| 22:41 | but dh7 does distclean.
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| 22:41 | <vagrantc> oh, fun.
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| 22:41 | <Ryan52> it worked until stgraber's Makefile :)
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| 22:41 | s/stgraber/ltsp-trunk/ :)
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| 22:41 | <stgraber> Ryan52: PPA build (3 archs) and Ubuntu build (6 archs / 8)
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| 22:41 | <Ryan52> oh.
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| 22:43 | ubuntu has 8 arches? 0.o
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| 22:44 | <stgraber> Ryan52: when exactly is iso-codes needed ? I added it in ldm and ldminfod but it looks like I also need it as build-dep.
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| 22:44 | <Ryan52> only as a build dep, nothing more.
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| 22:44 | so not in depends.
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| 22:44 | <stgraber> oh, so that scary commit message was wrong ?
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| 22:44 | <Ryan52> it was right at the time.
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| 22:44 | :)
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| 22:45 | <stgraber> ok :), one more upload on its way then ...
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| 22:45 | <Ryan52> stgraber, don't you test first? :)
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| 22:46 | <stgraber> I did, on my laptop so without a clean build chroot :)
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| 22:46 | I'm on my netbook and I don't have pbuilder on it ...
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| 22:46 | <Ryan52> ah.
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| 22:48 | <vagrantc> Gadi: there's still some unfinished business with ltspfs-trunk ...
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| 22:49 | <stgraber> vagrantc: what doesn't work with it ?
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| 22:49 | <warren> Ryan52: it does
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| 22:49 | <vagrantc> stgraber: the local mounting stuff was unreliable, at least for me.
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| 22:49 | <warren> Ryan52: that's why you put the symlink to the spec file in the *-trunk directory
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| 22:49 | <Gadi> vagrantc: I think we need a time when we can focus on it and bang it out
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| 22:50 | <Ryan52> warren, oh. then how am I supposed to build it? :p
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| 22:50 | <warren> Ryan52: mkdst rpm will build whatever is in the current directory with an incremented datestamp
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| 22:50 | <Gadi> there were woo many tests with unreliable hardware
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| 22:50 | <Ryan52> oh, right.
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| 22:50 | <Gadi> *too
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| 22:50 | <stgraber> vagrantc: oh, ok. I'm using it with rdesktop at the office and it seemed to work.
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| 22:50 | <warren> Ryan52: uncomment the other Release line and comment out the regular Release line
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| 22:50 | * Ryan52 wasn't using mkdst | |
| 22:50 | <Gadi> stgraber: do you have any CDROMs there?
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| 22:50 | <Ryan52> warren, ya, I got it.
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| 22:51 | <stgraber> Gadi: nope, that's one of these white geode, so usbkey only.
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| 22:51 | the issue was only with cdpinger ?
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| 22:51 | <Gadi> vagrantc had an issue with cdpinger
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| 22:51 | that *may* be the only issue
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| 22:51 | not sure
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| 22:51 | <vagrantc> i can't remember...
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| 22:52 | we fixed a lot of things, but in the end, i didn't feel comfortable releasing it
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| 22:52 | stgraber: you made your tarballs without mkdst ?
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| 22:53 | <stgraber> vagrantc: nope, I used mkdst
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| 22:53 | <vagrantc> oh, ok.
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| 22:53 | i might just grab 2.0.33 and apply the patch in-line.
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| 22:54 | <stgraber> yeah, this 2.0.33 upload actually built :)
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| 22:55 | <warren> Ryan52: what was the solution to the Makefile.in?
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| 22:55 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: did you review all the changes since 2.0.28 when you updated debian/changelog?
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| 22:55 | <Ryan52> warren, make it turn Makefile.in.in into Makefile.in and then Makefile :p
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| 22:56 | vagrantc, oh, no, I only did from the last tag before mine..
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| 22:56 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: ok, i'll review the previous changes, too, then.
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| 23:01 | <Ryan52> warren, okay, ldm is building in all 3.
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| 23:01 | <warren> Ryan52: ok cool
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| 23:02 | <Ryan52> warren, do you wanna explain your testing proceedure for ltsp packages now?
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| 23:02 | <warren> Ryan52: ok, just don't puke how ugly it is
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| 23:02 | <Ryan52> heh. ok.
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| 23:03 | <warren> hold a sec
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| 23:03 | i'm copying your ssh key
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| 23:03 | err
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| 23:03 | Ryan52: can you upload your ssh pubkey to a URL
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| 23:04 | <Gadi> night, all
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| 23:05 | <Ryan52> ya, one sec.
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| 23:05 | warren: http://ryan52.info/~ryan52/authorized_keys
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| 23:14 | <warren> Ryan52: ok, you here?
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| 23:14 | <Ryan52> yep
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| 23:16 | <johnny> warrenz
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| 23:16 | hello
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| 23:17 | * johnny expects a response | |
| 23:18 | <johnny> Ryan52, hello
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| 23:18 | <Ryan52> hi johnny
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| 23:18 | <cyberorg> o/
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| 23:18 | <johnny> see :)
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| 23:19 | * johnny kicks cyberorg | |
| 23:19 | <johnny> jk cyberorg
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| 23:19 | <cyberorg> aww, what for?
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| 23:19 | <johnny> i don't know what the o/ means
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| 23:20 | * johnny thinks he is too bubbly for warrens taste | |
| 23:20 | <johnny> luckily the rest of you can handle me
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| 23:20 | <warren> growl
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| 23:20 | <johnny> hello warren
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| 23:20 | <warren> omnomnomnomnom
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| 23:20 | <johnny> food?
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| 23:21 | <cyberorg> johnny, it looks like a person waving to me o/
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| 23:21 | <johnny> oh
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| 23:21 | <johnny> it's some emoticon i don't know
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| 23:21 | <Ryan52> the internetz are too complicated.
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| 23:21 | <johnny> Ryan52, ?
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| 23:21 | <Ryan52> "o/"
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| 23:21 | <johnny> why do you think that?
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| 23:21 | oh
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| 23:22 | <cyberorg> it could also be old pong (remember early days ping pong?)
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| 23:22 | <johnny> cyberorg, Ryan52 is too young :)
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| 23:23 | * cyberorg is too old | |
| 23:23 | <johnny> how old is that?
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| 23:23 | <cyberorg> 35
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| 23:23 | <johnny> older than me
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| 23:23 | 29 or somethin
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| 23:23 | <stgraber> oh, I'
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| 23:24 | crappy keyboard :)
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| 23:29 | <johnny> you were saying stgraber ?
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| 23:37 | <cyberorg> stgraber, how is cluster thing coming aling?
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| 23:37 | *along
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| 23:37 | <vagrantc> uploading ldm 2.0.33 to debian experimental...
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| 23:41 | <stgraber> johnny: it was some kind of copy/paste from another chan ... nothing targeted for that channel :)
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| 23:42 | cyberorg: very well, the LTSP integration side is perfect, I'm now working on the other components to make them work better (load-balancer, control-center, account-manager mainly)
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| 23:43 | <cyberorg> stgraber, is it in a stage that we can include in our packages?
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| 23:43 | <stgraber> and I'm still not sure if I'll upload the rest of ltsp-cluster to Ubuntu for Jaunty or not, the hard part was what's in the ltsp chroot, for the rest the PPA is currently the best way as there are quite a lot of changes there
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| 23:43 | cyberorg: probably, though you
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| 23:44 | you'll have to check for debian/ubuntu-isms :)
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| 23:44 | I think I got rid of most of them but there are probably some I'm not aware of
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| 23:44 | <cyberorg> is there a doc that i can go through to understand what pieces go where?
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| 23:45 | <stgraber> I have a doc about installing it in an OpenVZ environment (containers), I guess a good part of it is still up to date
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| 23:45 | https://wiki.stgraber.org/LTSP-Cluster
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| 23:46 | <cyberorg> cool, will take a look and see if i can figure it out :)
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| 23:48 | <stgraber> looking at that doc, it seems quite good actually :) The part about building the chroot is wrong though but you can get the right options by using --extra-help with upstream's ltsp-build-client (with Ubuntu's plugins)
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| 23:49 | control center is good but the attribute list provided in the bzr is out of date, I'm working on a python script to add and update the attributes instead which will make it a lot easier
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| 23:49 | loadbalancer is still good too, I have a better configuration file at the office that I'll commit upstream soon (better to load balance with multiple CPUs servers)
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| 23:51 | localapps menu has been merged and NX has not been updated with the nxloadbalancer I wrote two weeks ago (but it's not one of the key components)
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| 23:51 | <cyberorg> i'll try and follow the bzr logs :)
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| 23:53 | <stgraber> ok, just updated the NX part and dropped the ltsp localapps menu one
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| 23:55 | yeah, the PPA on Launchpad and the bzr is usually a lot more accurate than my doc :)
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