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Channel log from 14 April 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:55 | <gnunux> hi
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| 04:11 | <alkisg> stgraber: cisco routers do not work with clientid='', i.e. they don't send a dhcp offer so the clients won't boot
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| 04:11 | Are you sure that's the only way to prevent dhcp3-server from needing 2 IPs per client?
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| 05:14 | <alkisg> stgraber: I tested here locally with dhcp3-server and *without* sending a clientid (i.e. the default udhcpc behavior) and my client used the same IP address that it had in PXE...
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| 05:15 | So I think we should ditch the clientid hack altogether...
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| 05:37 | <alkisg> Uhm, and maybe we can send a patch for udhcpc so that it doesn't send a clientid at all (not send an empty one)
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| 08:23 | <komunista> hi
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| 08:48 | <Nikratio> On my Ubuntu karmic ltsp clients, the /etc/hosts file is always garbled. After the server ip, I have about 30 "-f\n" entries, before the final "-f server" line. If I restart /etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup, the file is generated correctly. Anyone has an idea where to look for the problem?
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| 08:52 | <alkisg> Nikratio: can you try to specify SERVER=ip in lts.conf?
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| 08:52 | I think that bug was solved some months ago, but I don't remember the exact details
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| 08:52 | <Nikratio> Which BTS was it in?
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| 08:53 | <alkisg> BTS==??
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| 08:53 | <Nikratio> Bug Tracking System
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| 08:53 | So I can look it up
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| 08:53 | <alkisg> I'm not sure if it was in any BTS, but if it was, it was in launchpad
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| 08:54 | <alkisg> We may have fixed it without filing any bug reports, though
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| 08:54 | <Nikratio> ah, ok. I'll try the lts.conf change then
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| 09:00 | <Nikratio> yes, that fixed it
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| 09:00 | Thanks!
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| 09:01 | <alkisg> OK, don't bother with it anymore, it was fixed for Lucid (even though I don't remember the commit #)
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| 09:03 | <Nikratio> great, thanks again
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| 10:19 | <lipinski> How can I troubleshoot a hanging client? It starts up fine, and I can log in, start applications, but eventually it hangs and the screen is semi-frozen. Mouse still moves, but can't click on anything or do anything.
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| 10:19 | Looking for some insight on how to start troubleshooting....
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| 10:21 | <vmlintu> Does it answer to ping?
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| 10:24 | <lipinski> yes
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| 10:24 | <lipinski> I'm trying a new test where I start up firefox and just let it sit at the home page. I'm thinking maybe Facebook or some page like that is causing a problem.
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| 10:25 | I just don't know how to start troubleshooting it. Where would logs be? Do I have to add sshd to the client to be able to get in and check things out? , etc..?
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| 10:29 | <vmlintu> Having sshd on the client helps a lot
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| 10:30 | To get logs, you have to enable remote logging on the server. Which distro are you running?
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| 11:09 | <lipinski> vmlintu: Sorry, got pulled away... I'm currently running Ubuntu 9.10. I'm going to be upgrading to 10.04 LTS in the next week or so (maybe Beta 2, maybe wait for official release)..
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| 11:09 | So, I really am trying to "band-aid" this hang problem to late me until I can get the server on 10.04
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| 11:12 | <vmlintu> Try first installing sshd in the chroot
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| 11:13 | Once you can login to the client, try running at least top or some similar tool to see if there's something unusual when it freezes
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| 11:14 | <Gadi> lipinski: how much memory does the client have?
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| 11:15 | <vmlintu> I haven't run 9.10 in production so I cannot say much about its quirks
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| 11:17 | <thunsucker> lipinski: is it all your clients or just a few? if it's more than 1 how much memory does the server have and how many clients you running
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| 11:17 | i have an issue right now at one of my installs, the server doesn't have enough memory (i'm guessing) because sound is choppy on when using the rdesktop script
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| 11:17 | i connect from a ubuntu laptop to the same terminal servers and all is well
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| 11:18 | but if less than 5 clients are on, there are no sound issues
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> thunsucker: rdesktop from a launcher on the linux desktop or as a screen script?
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| 11:22 | <epaphus> hello all
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| 11:28 | <komunista> lipinski: I have one clinet with the same problem
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| 11:29 | and it seems to graphic card related
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| 11:29 | when I kill frozen GUI apps, the client works...
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| 11:30 | it has problem for example with wbar, lxsession-logout and sometime with other apps too
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| 11:31 | no messages in any log, no problem by ssh to client... only apps do not works...
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| 11:50 | <lipinski> The client was working fine for a long time. I had server problems, so upgraded. Server is now running an Intel i3 with a new MB and 4GB RAM. I have only 1 client.
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| 11:51 | The primary use of the client if for Firefox. If I kill Firefox process on the server, the client "unfreezes".
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| 11:51 | <alkisg> How much ram does the client have?
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| 11:51 | <lipinski> I think only 256MB.
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| 11:51 | <alkisg> and, is firefox running as a localapp?
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| 11:52 | <lipinski> no
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> Any other localapps? 256 should be plenty for only thin client use...
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| 11:52 | <lipinski> no localapps at all. This is a "straightforward" ltsp install.
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| 11:52 | client is a dumb as can be :)
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> Hmmm and if you kill firefox and it unfreezes, then it shouldn't be ram related
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| 11:53 | <lipinski> alkisg: I rebuild the image and that's how I fixed the eth problem I was having the other evening (when you were helping me)..
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| 11:53 | Now, client runs great - except for this annoying hang.
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| 11:53 | <lipinski> Let me try a different app, i.e., OpenOffice or something and see if that hangs.
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| 11:54 | <sahil> After adding local firefox on ubuntu 9.10 and doing the thin-client nat setup, my clients will boot and display the login manager but I am unable to login, what gives?
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| 11:55 | <lipinski> It's almost like it's causing the entire desktop on the client to hang. mouse still responds, but I can't click on anything.
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| 11:56 | <alkisg> sahil: try `sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image`
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| 11:56 | <sahil> thanks alksig
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| 12:00 | <lipinski> I never looking into LTSP processes before:
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| 12:00 | 7028 7027 0 08:16 pts/0 00:00:00 bash -c echo LTSPROCKS; /bin/sh -
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| 12:00 | Nice :)
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| 12:20 | <komunista> lipinski: I have 15 the same clients and only one go to this problem
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| 12:21 | <lipinski> komunista: odd. I'm trying a different Application besides firefox now. Next step would be to use sshd and see if I can tell what's going on on the client itself - maybe a stray process or something...
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| 12:22 | <johnny> alkisg, ever heard of anything like this in karmic? try to play a sound and the volume just starts lowering itself until it is completely quiet?
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| 12:22 | it happens with flash player, exaile, and mplayer
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| 12:22 | or anywhere even..
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| 12:22 | not just karmic :)
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| 12:22 | <alkisg> nah, never
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| 12:23 | does pulseaudio auto lower the volume on overdrive?
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| 12:23 | <johnny> i have no idea
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| 12:23 | i have yet to see an overdrive setting :)
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| 12:24 | <alkisg> Karmic allows you to overdrive your speakers... send more than 100% to them
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| 12:24 | (in gnome-mixer how's that applet called)\
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| 12:26 | <johnny> gnome-mixer ? or gnome-alsamixer ?
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| 12:26 | <komunista> lipinski: I find no solution :-(
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| 12:27 | I have dropbear in client's chroot, but when it freeze, I see nothing wrong on it...
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| 12:27 | <alkisg> johnny: gnome-volume-control
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| 12:28 | <johnny> guess that doesn't work over ssh -X :)
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| 12:28 | lol
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| 12:30 | hmm.. i'm still getting freezes on my fat client setup
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| 12:30 | <johnny> even after nbd swap seems to be on
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| 12:30 | it shows swap on the terminal
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| 12:30 | but it doesn't seem to get used
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| 12:31 | <alkisg> swapping is broken in karmic
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| 12:31 | It was fixed 1-2 months ago
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| 12:31 | <johnny> broken in what way
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| 12:31 | i think i had fixed it
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| 12:31 | by upgrading to stgraber-ppa
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| 12:32 | some swap shows up when i run top on the fat client terminal
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| 12:32 | <alkisg> Is that compcache?
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| 12:33 | <alkisg> But if you upgraded AND updated the initramfs, yeah, it should be fixed
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| 12:33 | <johnny> hmm.. not sure
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| 12:33 | updated the initramfs how?
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| 12:33 | i didn't manually update the initramfs
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| 12:34 | <alkisg> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-initramfs -u && sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 12:35 | <johnny> ah.. and that doesn't need the image updated.. because the kernel is already gotten
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| 12:36 | <alkisg> right
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| 12:36 | <johnny> i confused myself for a second
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| 12:36 | the problem with the sound just started happening
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| 12:36 | i see no reason why..
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| 12:36 | none of the sliders move
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| 12:36 | in any of the volume control apps
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| 12:36 | i think it might be the amp itself.. altho that would be weird
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| 12:37 | we have it hooked up to 1/8 inch jack => rca y cable
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| 12:37 | <alkisg> Well you know who's the sound expert here... you should ask him :)
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| 13:09 | <jammcq> hey friends
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| 13:39 | <asmok> goof evening
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| 13:39 | <Lns> hi asmok
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| 13:39 | <asmok> ltsp-cluster works just fine in karmic
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| 13:40 | but in lucid ltsp-cluster-control admin page is empty
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| 13:40 | here is bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp-cluster/+bug/563263
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| 13:41 | any fix, if it is php parse problem?
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| 13:41 | lns: hi!
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| 13:41 | <Lns> Gadi: ^^^ You are being summoned ;)
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| 13:42 | err wait...hahhaa
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| 13:42 | not Gadi, but stgraber
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| 13:42 | gadi, graber, potato, ...
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| 13:44 | <asmok> I did a workshop few days ago about ltsp-cluster/karmic - sorry for finnish, once again, but pics are universal language ;-) http://blog.ubuntu-fi.org/2010/nurmon-kouluihin-ltsp-klusteri/
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| 13:47 | anyone played with ltsp-cluster in lucid?
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| 13:47 | <alkisg> cyberorg had the same problem in 6 Oct 2009 (with the T_GOTO syntax error), maybe he found a solution for it?
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| 13:48 | <asmok> alkisg: bug report about that?
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| 13:49 | <alkisg> I don't think so... you can see the ltsp logs though (see the topic for the link)
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| 13:49 | <asmok> I'll try to find
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| 13:52 | There is no archive for 2009 or 2008, just 2007, 2006?
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| 13:52 | http://www.nubae.com/logs/archived/
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> asmok: http://www.nubae.com/logs/ltsp20091006_pg2.html
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| 13:54 | <asmok> I wonder how mess it is if I just copy whole ltsp-cluster-conrol php dir from karmic to the lucid?
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| 13:59 | I wonder why this bug is back when karmic is just ok... only stephanie can handle this, i think or someone from revolution linux...
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| 14:01 | <asmok> stephanie marco is great singer, stephane graber can handle this one :-)
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| 14:02 | let's leave that for stephane, he will read that bug report
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| 14:14 | <stgraber> asmok: we didn't update the package in lucid at all so installing karmic's won't work
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| 14:15 | I'm guessing that the control center simply doesn't work with 5.3
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| 14:16 | <asmok> so it's better stick with karmic?
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| 14:17 | <komunista> vagrantc: thanks for pointing to lxsession with thin client shutdown, it is very nice function ;-)
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| 14:17 | <stgraber> asmok: http://pastebin.com/JKRFiyW6
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| 14:18 | <stgraber> asmok: can you try applying that patch to /usr/share/ltsp-cluster-control/
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| 14:18 | <Alex227> hallo
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| 14:18 | <stgraber> asmok: if it works, I'll upload that to lucid
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> alkisg: did ubuntu get the patch into gnome-session to support LTSP logouts?
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| 14:20 | er, LTSP shutdown/reboot
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> vagrantc: nope :(
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| 14:20 | They thought it was too much of a hack
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| 14:20 | <asmok> I'll try that, first I'll have to remember how to patch, it's really been some time when dealing patch file ;-) be patient, i start now ;-)
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> alkisg: the whole concept?
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> We need to tell sbalneav to get it upstream to gnome :)
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| 14:21 | <johnny> i don't think that's gonna happen until you can pass it down via dbus to the client
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I'm not sure if it was the xprop setting that bothered them or the code path where the patch was applied, the maintainer didn't have much time to talk so...
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| 14:21 | <johnny> it always always be hacky trying to fix it in that way
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> johnny: do you think it's easier to send upstream dbus patches than gnome-session patches?
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| 14:21 | <stgraber> asmok: cd /usr/share/ltsp-cluster-control && sudo patch -p0 < path/to/the/patch
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| 14:25 | <asmok> ok
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| 14:25 | <johnny> alkisg, i don't think the solution would be acceptable upstream is all
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| 14:26 | by gnome folks
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| 14:26 | it's too specific to one situation
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| 14:27 | <atkuepker> grr. more dbus-daemon. I'd be happier if that thing didn't lock up so frequently
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| 14:27 | <alkisg> johnny: so then what do you propose? To maintain an ltsp-specific branch of dbus?
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| 14:28 | <johnny> alkisg,
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| 14:28 | no..
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| 14:29 | it just seems more likely that a dbus proxy or router would be more generic and useful for ohter things
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| 14:29 | unlike the specific hacky way of logging out
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| 14:30 | <asmok> stgraber: you are hero of the day ;-)
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| 14:30 | <stgraber> asmok: it works correctly ?
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| 14:30 | <asmok> atching file Admin/index.php
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| 14:30 | patching file Admin/util/functions.php
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| 14:30 | patching file Admin/util/setup.php
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| 14:30 | patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line
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| 14:30 | Hunk #2 succeeded at 198 with fuzz 2.
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| 14:30 | yes
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| 14:30 | <stgraber> good, releasing a new version + uploading to lucid then
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| 14:31 | released (2.0.2)
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| 14:31 | <asmok> great!
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| 14:35 | <asmok> there are still messages in apache2's error.log, but admin page works now, this kind of
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> vagrantc: one cleaner thing to propose is to have the applet reboot/shutdown entries hidden when the CK session is not active (e.g. in ltsp and nx sessions). That wouldn't be hackish at all. We'd lose the ability to shutdown from the menus, but it'd at least make sense.
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| 14:37 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i thought that was already implemented in older versions?
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| 14:37 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yes there was a patch in fusa for that, but fusa got dropped and the patch wasn't transfered to the new indicator applet
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| 14:37 | <asmok> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/ixzkUTkj
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| 14:38 | <alkisg> vagrantc: but this wouldn't be an ltsp - specific patch; it would check CK instead
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| 14:38 | <stgraber> asmok: uploaded to lucid
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| 14:38 | asmok: seems like php 5.3 is quite verbose ;)
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| 14:38 | I won't spend too much time making it happy as we are simply rewritting everything at the moment ...
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| 14:39 | <asmok> good to know
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| 14:39 | i finish now my lucid setup and them boot first test tc
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| 14:52 | <asmok> stgraber: HP Mini 2133 as a TC: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/WE1v7rHi
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| 14:53 | <stgraber> great !
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| 14:53 | <asmok> lucid works great now, only one app server ;-D
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| 14:53 | <stgraber> and you got that super slick and fast flickerless boot ?
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| 14:53 | <asmok> yes
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| 14:55 | <thunsucker> stgraber: wow that sounds nice
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| 14:55 | <stgraber> thunsucker: here it's basically the pxelinux loading sequence, then a splash for 10s without any flicker/black screen, then directly the login prompt
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| 14:57 | <asmok> i have lots of t5125/t5135, i hope i got them to work too, there is something bad after login, but now i can test them with lucid - t5125 drops after login to the login screen again, let's see if i find something. they work with hardy just fine...
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| 14:58 | i now boot t5125...
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| 14:59 | <stgraber> the oldest HP I have here is a 5735
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| 15:00 | and I have some 5745
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| 15:03 | <vmlintu> I noticed the same problem yesterday with lucid - after login my via based thin client just went back to login screen
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| 15:05 | After I set LDM_DIRECTX=false and X_COLOR_DEPTH=16, it started working ok, so I didn't investigate it further
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| 15:05 | <Gadi> have you disabled compiz?
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| 15:05 | <vmlintu> Removing compiz didn't help with my box
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| 15:05 | It's some via based box with 1GHz CPU and 512Mb of memory
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| 15:09 | <asmok> vmlintu: i try your setup too
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| 15:09 | <vmlintu> LDM_DIRECTX=true
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| 15:09 | sorry, my mind is mixed up
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| 15:10 | LDM_DIRECTX=Y and X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 were the working ones
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| 15:10 | <asmok> ok
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| 15:22 | <alkisg> asmok: for some clients, disabling compiz helps:
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| 15:22 | !compiz
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| 15:22 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 15:23 | <asmok> yes i did it, it is in my/stephane howto ;-) wai a minute, some good news coming ;-)
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| 15:24 | t5125 (september 2006 model) works now! http://ltsp.pastebin.com/nsRqfq8t
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| 15:26 | <Gadi> asmok: these are all via chipsets?
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| 15:26 | <asmok> it is awful slow to boot, but then no problem. I once again own a beer to stephane and veli-matti ;-) I think we can do something for that in Tampere ;-D right ;-)
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| 15:26 | <Gadi> (using openchrome driver)?
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| 15:28 | <vmlintu> I was using the default driver for the box and it has been openchrome at least until now. I actually didn't even check that yesterday..
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| 15:29 | <asmok> here is something from ltsp-cluster check: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/nNUF3ufq
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| 15:30 | <Gadi> yeah, I find the openchrome driver to be lacking in the "sane defaults" department
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| 15:30 | :)
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| 15:32 | <vmlintu> The same box started using the internal speaker for audio now..
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| 15:33 | <asmok> this is what ltsp-cluster says before loginvideo: apollo cle266 integrated castlerock graphics (rev 03)
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| 15:33 | <asmok> yes sound work for t5125
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| 15:37 | <asmok> this was really good session, now i really can start to plan how to turn my hardy dhcp-failover setup to the ltsp-cluster setup, i got over 100 t5125/t5135 at my daughter's school. thank you everybody and good night!
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| 16:26 | <vagrantc> hrm. gpxe and recent versions of qemu don't play well together...
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| 16:29 | <Gadi> tho, they are prolly worth a lot of points in the game of Scrabble
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| 16:29 | <vagrantc> true enough!
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| 16:29 | <Gadi> see, now isn't that all that matters?
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| 16:31 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 16:31 | seems like ltsp-update-sshkeys is creating an empty file for me... but when i re-run it, it works fine.
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| 16:32 | <Gadi> ssh running the first time?
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| 16:32 | <vagrantc> running?
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| 16:32 | ah, yes. sshd is running.
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| 16:32 | <Gadi> not with legs
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| 16:32 | odd
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| 16:33 | <vagrantc> Gadi: when you re-wrote it, does it not use the local files at all? i.e. it always scans the network?
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| 16:33 | <Gadi> I believe so
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| 16:33 | * Gadi can be so presumptuous | |
| 16:33 | <Gadi> lets have a look-see
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| 16:33 | <vagrantc> reading directly from the files themselves is a lot safer...
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| 16:34 | also, doesn't require the local machine to have sshd running
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| 16:34 | also got some reports that it was taking an inordinate amount of time at boot
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| 16:34 | <Gadi> ok ok ok
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| 16:34 | geesh
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| 16:34 | :)
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| 16:34 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 16:35 | <Gadi> is it too late to fix? is the party over?
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| 16:35 | :)
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| 16:35 | <vagrantc> party?
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| 16:35 | * vagrantc plays a kazoo | |
| 16:35 | <Gadi> what? we're not at a party?
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| 16:35 | * Gadi puts his pants back on | |
| 16:36 | <Lns> ....wow.
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| 16:40 | that might be a good slogan... "SSH: Don't get caught with your pants down."
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| 16:47 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 16:48 | ltspfs seems completely broken in testing :(
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| 16:49 | ah, false alarm... i haven't tested these other files yet...
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| 16:54 | <Gadi> vagrantc: fixed, commited, pushed
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| 16:54 | please test
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| 16:55 | oh, and test while singing "pants on the ground" to Lns
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| 16:55 | <Lns> lol
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| 16:56 | if you could guage the skills of an open source programmer to the personality quirks demonstrated on IRC...hahaha
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| 16:56 | gadi, you'd be a millionaire
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| 16:58 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 16:58 | ciao, gang
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> just like gadi to fix something and disappear :)
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| 17:01 | <Lns> hehe
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| 17:01 | at least he took his pants with him.
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| 17:02 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: are you going to debconf?
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| 17:03 | <vagrantc> seems to work
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| 17:03 | highvoltage: yes, you?
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| 17:03 | highvoltage: we met in sevilla years back, no?
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| 17:03 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: yep, looking forward to seeing some familiar people and meeting new debian folk
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| 17:03 | vagrantc: yes, indeed
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| 17:04 | vagrantc: you are probably more memorable than I am, I thought you were interesting :)
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| 17:07 | <vagrantc> i'm trying to concince some LTSP folks to crash debconf to do some ltsp hacking
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| 17:07 | <vmlintu> what's next on the line for ltsp?
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| 17:07 | <highvoltage> that would be great. stgraber is also going
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> stgraber: ah, didn't know you were going! :)
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| 18:12 | <stgraber> vagrantc: it's only 5-6 hours away from here ;)
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| 18:14 | doh, would have liked that revert two weeks before ... now I'm starting sshd in d-i just to have ssh-keyscan do its magic :)
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| 18:14 | <vagrantc> egads
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| 18:14 | <stgraber> will be great to drop that in Maverick
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| 18:16 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i'm sure you'e busy as all get-out right now, but was wondering if you might get a chance to update the ltsp-trunk/fr.po soonish?
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| 18:25 | <stgraber> vagrantc: done
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| 18:33 | <vagrantc> stgraber: thanks :)
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| 18:34 | i know folks have tried in the past, but i wonder if we could ever get a signle .po file for each language in ldm...
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| 19:04 | <egghead> running ubuntu 9.10, using ltsp on a 64bit machine, tring to boot i386 clients (using usb drive) but get i think the i386 client trys to load in from /opt/ltsp/images/amd64 instead of the /opt/ltsp/images/i386 image, any one know if there is a config file to change the boot image for different clients?
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| 19:14 | <johnny> egghead, do you have both kinds of clients egghead ?
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| 19:14 | or just i386?
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| 19:16 | <egghead> johnny, yes, both
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| 19:17 | is there a config file for ltsp that points to /opt/ltsp/images?
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| 19:18 | or maybe for tfpboot?
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| 19:19 | <egghead> i think problem is i boot (from usb drive) i386 kernel and then it trys to load the amd64 image
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| 19:19 | but cant figure out how to change the boot image dir for i386 clients
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| 19:23 | <johnny> first you have to install the image
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| 19:23 | ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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| 19:23 | <egghead> i did that
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| 20:20 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: the result of g_strconcat should be freed.
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| 20:21 | so do this instead:
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| 20:21 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: and you say you don't contribute much anymore :)
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| 20:21 | <Ryan52> gchar * foo = g_strconcat("<b>", _("Verifying password. Please wait."), "</b>", NULL);
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| 20:21 | set_message(foo)
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| 20:21 | g_free(foo);
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| 20:21 | // I missed a semi colon on the set_message line
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| 20:22 | vagrantc: hah.
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| 20:23 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: gchar on the same line? or with the other gchar at the top of the function?
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| 20:23 | <johnny> uggh :(
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| 20:23 | still having sound problems @ my store
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| 20:23 | <Ryan52> no, guess not. do it like sec.
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| 20:23 | gchar * foo;
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| 20:23 | <johnny> the volume starts at a normal level
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| 20:24 | <Ryan52> foo = g_strconcat(.........);
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| 20:24 | <johnny> and then just gets quieter until tis gone
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| 20:24 | <Ryan52> s/sec/this/
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| 20:24 | * Ryan52 is being rushed to leave by his dad...so cya. | |
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| 21:54 | <vagrantc> hmmm... the LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT doesn't seem to be working...
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| 21:58 | ah, it apparently needs to work in conjunction with LDM_GUESTLOGIN
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| 21:59 | * vagrantc is playing with ldm to randomly select a supported language to display and autologin/autologout | |
| 22:02 | <vagrantc> seems to be biased towards polish.
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| 22:03 | it would be tricky to implement... but would be cool if the language selection could also change the greeter language
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| 22:08 | <stgraber> sounds tricky to implement (on the fly gettext language change)
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| 22:09 | <vagrantc> a fairly brutal way would be to re-exec the greeter
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| 22:10 | but GDM changes the language when you select a different langauge, no?
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| 22:13 | well, ldm has decent support for 17 languages :)
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| 22:17 | i haven't done a very good job of asking folks to translate the rc.d and ltsp-cluster-info bits... the tools i use to send out the translations don't support multiple po files (as far as i know), and it would be confusing to send out multiple translation requests for a single package...
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| 22:18 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: that sounds like a fun project.
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| 22:19 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: oh, sparked your interest, have i? :)
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| 22:19 | Ryan52: changing the ldm UI to a new locale if the user selects a new locale?
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| 22:21 | ideally checking if it's a valid locale on the local system...
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| 22:21 | <Ryan52> why?
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| 22:21 | doesn't hurt to try it anyway...it'll just fall back to the original string.
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| 22:22 | hm...one problem, tho. some of the text is translated on the server side by the ssh daemon.
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| 22:23 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: none of that is translated anymore
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| 22:23 | any messages are just relayed through
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| 22:23 | <Ryan52> exactly.
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| 22:23 | they are translated if the server's default language is a different language.
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| 22:23 | because then sshd would translate it.
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| 22:24 | * vagrantc doesn't see how that matters | |
| 22:24 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: regarding the fallback, if the default locale != C and they try to switch to an unsupported locale, then it will fall back to C ...
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| 22:25 | won't it?
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| 22:25 | <Ryan52> if the servers language is spanish, and the ldm user selects french, half the interface would be in french and half in spanish.
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| 22:25 | and if the ldm translation for french isn't complete, some of the interface may even be english.
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| 22:26 | <vagrantc> incomplete translations aren't anything we can do anything special about
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| 22:26 | Ryan52: but the server/thin-client language differences are already handled... it sets the locale variables when logging in via ssh...
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| 22:27 | <Ryan52> that doesn't affect the strings relayed from sshd, tho.
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| 22:27 | does it?
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| 22:27 | <vagrantc> no worse off than it is now.
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| 22:27 | in any case :)
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| 22:27 | <Ryan52> I guess.
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| 22:27 | <vagrantc> i'm not sure it ignores the locale variables...
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| 22:29 | currently, we can set the locale for the LDM UI with standard environment variables LANG, LC_ALL, etc. and LDM_LANGUAGE sets the user's locale for the logged in session, or alternately by selecting the language from the menu.,
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| 22:30 | but if the menu selection could both set the LDM UI and the user's soon-to-be logged in session, that would be nice.
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| 22:32 | * vagrantc wonders how GDM or KDM do it | |
| 22:33 | <Ryan52> it's really easy.
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| 22:33 | <vagrantc> well then... :)
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| 22:34 | <Ryan52> you just need to change the locale and set all of the strings again.
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| 22:34 | changing the locale is simple, generate_locale_list.py does it for example.
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| 22:44 | <Ryan52> hm, GDM just restarts.
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| 22:44 | well that's kind of cheating. :P
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| 23:02 | <alkisg> stgraber: turns out that we already have the latest udhcp version in Lucid, it's embedded in busybox!
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| 23:03 | So we can actually drop the udhcpc dependency, stop installing udhcpc, and just use busybox udhcpc -C
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| 23:15 | <alkisg> Dah no there are 2 busybox versions, busybox-static has it, while busybox-initramfs doesn't. So maybe we should file a bug against busybox-initramfs and ask that they include udhcpc in their Makefile.
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