IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 18 March 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:04 | <RL600> Is it possible to have a ubuntu ltsp server and a Windows thin client? So the Windows client can use the recourses from the ubuntu server.
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| 06:17 | <RL600> Is Anybody over here?
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| 15:00 | <RL600> Hello!
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| 15:03 | <RL600> Can I ask a question over here?
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> !question
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| 15:06 | <ltsp> question: if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 15:07 | <elias_a_> :D
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| 15:09 | <RL600> I want to make a ltsp server with the latest ubuntu version (12.04 I thought). Now this isn't that hard but is it possible to have windows (7) thin clients who make use of the recourses of the ubuntu ltsp server.
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| 15:10 | <elias_a_> Ummm... recources are like re-education?
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| 15:10 | <RL600> I don't know what u mean?
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| 15:10 | * vagrantc would prefer people be patient with mispellings and whatnot | |
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> RL600: you could set up xrdp on your ubuntu server and possibly connect to it using RDP
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| 15:12 | RL600: but really, why would you want to do that? if they're thin clients, just use LTSP?
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| 15:13 | <RL600> So if I install xrdp on the server I could use windows on the thin client?
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| 15:13 | How do u mean "just use LTSP".
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> "is it possible to have windows (7) thin clients who
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| 15:19 | " ?
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| 15:19 | are your thin clients running windows? or you want to connect to a windows server with LTSP clients?
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| 15:21 | <RL600> Ok, what I want is a diskless thin client with no OS. It starts up through the network with PXE booting. Connects to the ubuntu ltsp server. Gets his kernel and such (windows 7).
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| 15:22 | <vagrantc> and you're actually running windows on the client?
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| 15:23 | <RL600> Yes in the end it has to run windows 7. and the client gets his windows 7 data from the server.
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> not really LTSP ... LTSP is about booting linux thin clients to connect to various other things.
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| 15:24 | you could boot an LTSP thin client and connect to a windows server using RDP, but actually booting windows is outside the scope of LTSP.
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| 15:25 | <RL600> What I thought was that LTSP is used to have a client with can use the cpu and such from the server.
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| 15:26 | Well I want to have a linux server and a windows client.
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| 15:26 | But LTSP can't do that?
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| 15:27 | <vagrantc> it's not exactly clear what you're trying to do
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| 15:28 | <RL600> Which am I unclear?
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| 15:28 | <vagrantc> an LTSP thin client will run programs on the server, but they are linux programs
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| 15:28 | so it uses the cpu and such that way
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| 15:30 | you could technically boot a windows client, run xrdp on the server, and run linux on your windos thin clint... but it seems like an overly complicated way of accessing the linux server.
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| 15:31 | <vagrantc> RL600: what's your end goal? to display linux programs on the thin client, or to run windows programs on the thin client?
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| 15:31 | <RL600> The last one run windows programs on the thin client.
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| 15:31 | <vagrantc> but you want to use the server's resources?
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| 15:31 | <RL600> And the thin client is using the cpu from the server.
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| 15:32 | Yes indeed the recourses
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| 15:32 | <vagrantc> so, to do that, you would want both a windows server running an RDP server, and an LTSP server, booting the thin clients to LTSP, and configure them to connect to your windows server.
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| 15:32 | RL600: resources :P
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| 15:35 | the way LTSP thin clients use the server's resources is by running their programs on the server, which is a linu based server, so they only run the programs installed on the server, not windows.
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| 15:35 | <RL600> Oh thats a lot of work. That is it more handy to use a windows terminal server (and sorry my english isn't that good)
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| 15:35 | <vagrantc> yeah, windows terminal server might be easier to do what you're trying to do ... never used it myself.
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| 15:36 | <RL600> My either, the reason I want to use windows clients is because some people don't get linux at all
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> LTSP is used all over the world, so I try to be understanding about language differences :)
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| 15:37 | <Hyperbyte> RL600, I find that hard to believe.
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| 15:38 | If properly set up, Linux is just as user friendly as Windows, if not more so. It's just different. People who say they "don't it" rather "don't want to try to get used to something new"
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| 15:38 | If you give these people Windows 8's interface they would be just as unhappy.
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| 15:39 | <RL600> I mean the people who use the thin client are from a company. Who has never used linux before. The reason is my boss wants the pc's to run windows :)
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| 15:39 | <Hyperbyte> I've been running Ubuntu 12.04 in the office here for -everybody- since it first came out. For our employees, for our volunteers who visit the office to come and work here... sure there have been some people grumbling sometimes because "it's different"
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| 15:39 | But I haven't run into a single person who couldn't figure it out with a little help.
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| 15:39 | <RL600> Yes thats true Hyperbyte, but my boss is the boss.
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| 15:40 | <Hyperbyte> RL600, well, in that case your solution is easy. Find an offer somewhere from a retailer for Windows terminal server, with license for X clients (as many as you need) and present your boss that it would cost that much, vs. nothing to run Windows instead of Linux.
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| 15:41 | And he wants Windows still, then buy it. It's that simple.
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| 15:41 | <RL600> That could be a good idea :)
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> a lot of people use LTSP to connect to windows servers, not sure if that saves part of the licensing costs or what.
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| 15:42 | <RL600> Vagrantc can u explain some more?
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| 15:44 | <vagrantc> RL600: basically, you boot regular LTSP clients, but use the RDP protocol to connect to the windows server. the user sees windows, but the thin client is actually running linux.
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| 15:44 | RL600: that's the setup you said sounded too complicated
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| 15:45 | RDP is microsoft's remote desktop protocol
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| 15:45 | <RL600> O oke I get it now. I thank u all and goodbye.
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| 15:46 | <vagrantc> good luck
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| 15:46 | <Hyperbyte> Heh
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| 15:46 | He's gonna need it I think.
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| 15:46 | <vagrantc> thankfully, i've never had to suffer such a setup... :)
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| 15:47 | <Hyperbyte> My company actually made concious choice to switch from paid software to open source. :-)
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| 15:48 | (the company I work for)
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| 15:48 | <vagrantc> glad it's worked out!
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| 15:49 | i tend to shy away from advocacy these days ... prefer to work with people who know they want free software already :)
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| 15:49 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah. :) Worked out great. Since I bought a new insanely kickass server and virtualized everything, it has all been incredibly stable.
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| 15:50 | Well, it kind of happened naturally here... at one point there was some bug in Microsoft Outlook which made it not work so well with IMAP... but we wanted to IMAP to keep all clients and webmail synchronised... so we switched to Thunderbird...
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| 15:50 | Then we had all kinds of problems with malware infesting Internet Explorer so we switched to Firefox....
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| 15:50 | Then we had to buy Office licenses so we switched to OpenOffice...
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| 15:51 | <Hyperbyte> Eventually you're using so much open source software already, that the desktop switch is just a minor change really. Your task bar is in a different place, basically.
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| 15:51 | <vagrantc> and even that's probably tweakable, if really needed
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| 15:51 | <Hyperbyte> The desktop switch came when we needed to buy new hardware and thus also needed new licenses.
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| 15:53 | My boss wanted to try Linux, see if it would work... he used a Linux desktop for a day and then decided the whole company would use it.
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| 15:53 | I mixed in LTSP to cut down on maintenance costs, that was the kicker. :)
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| 15:53 | * vagrantc cheers! | |
| 16:02 | <elias_a_> Now that is good news.
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| 16:03 | <Hyperbyte> Well it's been like this for a while now. ;-)
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| 16:03 | I think people would get annoyed if I ever switched to Windows desktops.
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| 16:15 | <elias_a_> Hyperbyte: Keep on. My soul is singing!
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| 16:36 | <roces4> hej
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| 16:36 | i've questrion
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| 16:36 | how configure sound in ltsp client
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| 16:39 | <gbaman> thin client or fat client roces4?
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| 16:53 | <alkisg_web> vagrantc: <initramfs>/scripts/init-top/ltsp would rename /bin/ipconfig to /bin/ipconfig.real, and our /bin/ltsp-ipconfig-wrapper to /bin/ipconfig. :)
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| 16:53 | then every time ipconfig gets called, we can fill in the missing bits we want from configure_networking
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| 16:53 | (the hack I was talking about, because we don't have a hook for configure_networking)
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| 16:54 | <gbaman> hey alkisg_web? Is there anything similar to PPAs for debian?
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| 16:55 | <alkisg_web> The ipconfig wrapper can launch `ipconfig.real "$@"` and then modify /run/net*.conf appropriately...
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| 16:56 | vagrantc: can I replace our udhcp with that ^ wrapper, or you think it's too hacky? I think it is hacky, but it should be way more stable than our current way of configuring the network...
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| 16:57 | gbaman: you're asking the wrong person, vagrantc is the debian/ltsp maintainer... :)
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| 16:57 | <vagrantc> alkisg_web: doesn't that happen in the initramfs, though?
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| 16:57 | <alkisg_web> vagrantc: yes
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| 16:58 | The problem I'm trying to solve is that currently, the code in our udhcp initramfs script is too volatile
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| 16:58 | <gbaman> vagrantc: Is there anything similar to PPAs for debian?
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| 16:58 | <vagrantc> gbaman: not really
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| 16:58 | <alkisg_web> We're trying to implement configure_networking in ltsp, which we shouldn't need to do
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| 16:58 | <vagrantc> gbaman: it's a work in progress, or at least an idea in progress
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| 16:59 | <alkisg_web> I expect that the wrapper would work in ...all past and current initramfs-tools versions
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| 17:00 | Now every time udev / systemd etc change, we have to update our ...configure_networking code in our udhcp script too
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| 17:01 | So the question is, is it ok to push such a solution? Hacky, but very stable? :)
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| 17:18 | <roces4> j've ltsp serwer ubuntu and 100stations who log to win7
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| 17:19 | and no sound on client
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| 19:53 | <ball> Is an Intel NUC an appropriate choice for an ltsp terminal?
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| 19:56 | <unkmar> hi
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| 19:58 | I'm looking for what directories might be shared among ltsp users.
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| 19:59 | Where they can have a common directory to place exchange files.
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| 19:59 | Or do I need to setup separate NFS for that?
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| 20:11 | <ball> hello unkmar
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| 20:28 | <unkmar> hi ball.
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| 20:33 | <alkisg> ball: yes, it's fine
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| 20:33 | unkmar: you can share whatever directories you like, it's not an LTSP specific task
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| 20:34 | <unkmar> alkisg: that's good. now um, how?
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| 20:34 | As it is now, I only have that particular users folder shared.
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| 20:35 | been several months since I last worked on this pxe project. It has just worked as is until now. Been needing to come back to it and safe bandwidth and space. Hadn't made time until now.
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| 20:35 | s/safe/save
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| 20:37 | looks like my goal is in exports. Whereever that is.
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| 20:38 | <alkisg> Thin clients don't use NFS for /home, their sessions are on the server
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| 20:38 | So you're just looking to share a folder among the users of 1 pc (the ltsp server)
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| 20:38 | <unkmar> yes.
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> So your goal isn't in exports :)
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| 20:39 | exports is for NFS
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| 20:39 | Just ask in your distro IRC channel, "how can I share a folder between the users of 1 PC"
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| 20:39 | Or google it
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| 20:39 | You just set the appropriate permissions...
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| 20:39 | <unkmar> I know how to do groups.
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| 20:40 | That isn't my prolbme. The session only shares /home/user1 user1 can not even see that user2 exists. the ltsp clients can't see anything of each other.
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| 20:40 | <alkisg> Then you're using fat clients and you didn't mention it
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| 20:41 | <unkmar> Really, I am?
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| 20:41 | Like I said, been a few months.
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| 20:41 | <alkisg> If you only see /home/user1, it's sshfs and fat clients
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| 20:41 | Run `mount` to verify...
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| 20:41 | If so, you need LOCALAPPS_EXTRA_MOUNTS in lts.conf
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| 20:41 | !lts.conf
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| 20:41 | <ltsp> lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 20:41 | <alkisg> This _is_ ltsp specific...
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| 20:42 | <unkmar> run mount from where? server or client.
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| 20:42 | <alkisg> client
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| 20:43 | <unkmar> yeah, I see fuse.sshfs
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| 20:44 | so, that is what is squeezing the user into that particular space.
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> When you login and open a terminal, do you see user@ltsp123 ?
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| 20:44 | (client)
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| 20:44 | <unkmar> no just a $
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> What's the output of `hostname` there?
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| 20:45 | <unkmar> Not sure why my prompt is stripped. Gets on my nerves really but.. I don't usually use those systems. :P
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> You have sh instead of bash as the login shell
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| 20:45 | You created the users with some non-standard tool
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| 20:46 | <unkmar> hostname:
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| 20:47 | yeah, now I have ltsp75 as hostname
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| 20:47 | <alkisg> OK yeah you're using ltsp fat clients, check the lts.conf manpage like I said above, or switch to NFS
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| 20:47 | (with FSTAB_1, again from lts.conf)
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| 20:48 | <unkmar> The need to share some but not all space. so, I believe I need the fat client.
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| 20:48 | *they
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| 20:48 | <alkisg> LOCALAPPS_EXTRA_MOUNTS
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| 20:52 | <unkmar> firstly, I want to thank you for your help. And secondly, arghhhh. Been so long that I don't remember the details of editing the files. Strange detils of ltsp-chroot for somethings and ltsp-update and some files get edited from the server, others from inside via ltsp-chroot. Just ARghhhHHhHhHh!
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| 20:53 | thank goodness for my cheat sheet.
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| 21:05 | <vagrantc> ltsp-chroot is to run things in the chroot, but to can edit files from the server in the chroot
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| 21:05 | <unkmar> hey, vagrantc. Long time no see.
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| 21:12 | * vagrantc wave | |
| 21:12 | <vagrantc> s
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| 21:26 | <ball> hello vagrantc
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| 21:29 | <unkmar> well, that isn't doing it for me.
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| 21:30 | the local extra thing appears to share static files. Users can modify but it isn't reflected back to the system.
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| 22:01 | <unkmar> I'm still at a loss of how to do this.
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| 23:02 | <unkmar> I still don't have it working. :'(
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