IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 15 June 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:39 | <NeonLicht> Hos is /srv/tftp/ populated during the LTSP installation, please? I can't find it in the docs.
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| 05:39 | s/Hos/How/
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| 05:41 | <Appiah> populated?
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| 05:41 | /srv/tftp? what distribution are you running?
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| 05:41 | <NeonLicht> Yes. How are the LTSP files end up being there?
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| 05:41 | <Appiah> suse? centos? fedora?
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| 05:41 | <NeonLicht> I run Debian Squeeze.
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| 05:41 | None of those. I run Debian Squeeze.
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| 05:41 | <Appiah> well I never used debian for ltsp
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| 05:42 | are you looking for the tftp files?
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| 05:42 | <alkisg> ltsp-update-kernels copies the kernels from /opt/ltsp/i386/boot to your tftp dirs
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| 05:42 | Previously debian had /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 05:42 | <NeonLicht> Thank you, alkisg!
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| 05:42 | <alkisg> Now according to FHS they're switching to /srv/tftp
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| 05:42 | <NeonLicht> Yes, but now it has moved it to /srv/tftp/ and tftpd-ha
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| 05:42 | <alkisg> Both work for ltsp
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| 05:43 | You can use either /srv/tftp or /var/lib/tftpboot or even both of them
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| 05:43 | <alkisg> ltsp-update-kernels will copy the kernels to any of those 2 dirs, if it finds them
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| 05:43 | <NeonLicht> Perfect, alkisg, update-kernels has populated it! Thank you! :)
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| 05:43 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 05:44 | <NeonLicht> I'm on a different place, alkisg, solving different problems, hehe.
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| 05:44 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 05:44 | <NeonLicht> And finally, after update-kernel the clients are booting :)
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| 05:46 | I was looking for the way to put them there, Appiah.
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| 05:46 | <Appiah> ok
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| 05:56 | <TheMatrix3000> hey guys
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| 05:57 | <NeonLicht> Well, today you've saved my live again, alkisg. Thank you! :D
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| 05:58 | I can go for lunch now, hehe.
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| 05:58 | <alkisg> Hehe, bb
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| 05:58 | <NeonLicht> Hi, TheMatrix3000.
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| 05:58 | And bye for now, I'm hungry! :)
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| 06:55 | <Gnoze5> alkisg , yellow!
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| 06:56 | <alkisg> Green :
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| 06:56 | :)
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| 06:56 | <Gnoze5> err we have a client that has a web app that only runs on ie
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| 06:56 | annoying
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| 06:56 | <TheMatrix3000> ahahahah
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| 07:18 | <Gnoze5> wine client side on ltsp..
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| 07:18 | err
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| 07:18 | what a horrible solution
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| 07:19 | <Appiah> and it works fine on non-ltsp? :)
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| 07:19 | I bet it's the wine/ie that causing the problem
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| 07:19 | <TheMatrix3000> do you have a windows terminal server
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| 07:19 | look at ltsp-cluster site they did something like pushing ms office to the ltsp clients
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| 07:20 | <Gnoze5> I have already managed to get windows ts working with ltsp no problem
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| 07:20 | the issue here is licensing
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| 07:20 | Appiah i was not complaining about ltsp i was stating that having wine on the client side is a bad solution
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| 07:21 | but one that im resorting too
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| 07:21 | *to
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| 07:21 | <Appiah> what kind of web app is it?
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| 07:21 | something using activex?
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| 07:21 | <Gnoze5> something in asp.net
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| 07:21 | and it simply wont run on other browsers
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| 07:21 | we tried everything
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| 07:23 | <Appiah> Is it a somewhat recent application or something old?
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| 07:23 | <Gnoze5> its not that old
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| 07:23 | the company who developed it actually have a lot of other web apps that work fine with other browsers
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| 07:24 | <Appiah> ouch :)
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| 07:24 | <Gnoze5> its like they hired some stupid MS poisoned college kid to try and develop the worst possible web app
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| 07:24 | <Appiah> long time since I used IE on wine.. what version of IE can you get in without problems?
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| 07:25 | <muppis> Appiah, I think 6 is newest one without problems.
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| 07:25 | <Appiah> hmm and the rest of the versions you will have to hope on winetricks...
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| 07:25 | <muppis> Or less problems than newers.
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| 07:26 | <Gnoze5> im running ie6
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| 07:26 | with an old version of wine
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| 07:26 | on 10.04
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| 07:26 | wine 0.9.59
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| 07:26 | i tried a few
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| 07:26 | apparently starting one wine 0.9.2 ie and winserver suck out the life of the cpu and mem
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| 07:26 | and i can confirm that
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| 07:26 | it works
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| 07:27 | everything works
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| 07:27 | but every single bit of the resources is abused
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| 07:27 | i tried using an earlier wine version but dependecies go bust
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| 07:27 | this yet another legacy that i promise ill document
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| 07:29 | <Appiah> you could try git wine
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| 07:29 | gitwine or atleast a more recent version
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| 07:29 | 1.2.3 is stable
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| 07:29 | 1.3.22 dev version
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| 07:31 | (only know from playing games in wine) but 1.3.x kicksass compared to 1.2.x and older version
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| 07:58 | <fossala> If I used mpd on ltsp would it play on all clients?
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| 08:04 | Just check and it plays on the server and no clients.
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| 08:13 | <sunscreen> hey, just stumbling around ftp.hp.com and found this ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/thinclient/
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| 08:13 | any one know what it is.. looks more like a fat client to me
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| 08:14 | but then hp are a bunch of fucking retarded monkeys that smashed over the head repeatedly by there primate mothers
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| 08:14 | <mgariepy> it's probably the os running on their thin client
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| 08:15 | <sunscreen> as you can see i am in bad mood with hp today .. ;)
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| 08:15 | <mgariepy> how come ?
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| 08:16 | <sunscreen> cant get any software in a competent fashion for this machines recovery partition
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| 08:16 | <mgariepy> sunscreen, i have some t5745 and they work great with ltsp
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| 08:17 | <fossala> sunscreen, Ive got a t5730 that works perfectly
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| 08:17 | <sunscreen> yea i did boot this one on ltsp it worked very well.. its DC5700 microtower
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| 08:17 | but it needs to go back to factory for the customer
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| 08:26 | <fossala> Is there a way of checking how much ram/cpu a thin client is using?
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| 08:27 | obviously top/htop shows the servers.
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| 08:29 | <Gnoze5> htop as local app
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> i.e.: ltsp-localapps xterm => top inside that xterm
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| 08:30 | <Gnoze5> fossala alkisg always gives the best explanations...
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| 08:31 | <fossala> ahh thanks
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| 08:40 | <TheMatrix3000> yep
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| 08:40 | alkisg, takes something complicated, and just plain out puts it as simple as it can be
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| 08:40 | <fossala> alkisg, are you a ltsp dev?
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| 08:50 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: haha thanks, I think that's the best compliment I got as a teacher. fossala: let's say junior dev, nowadays I help more in IRC than in actual code.
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| 08:51 | <TheMatrix3000> well, alkisg, helping on IRC is extremely valuable to the community, expecially in the open source community where your knowledge can be shared, and shared and so on
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| 09:01 | <tl1000s77> Can I make my ltsp clients authenticate without ssh?
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| 09:03 | <alkisg> Not without modifying the LDM source code. How would you authenticate?
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| 09:19 | <tl1000s77> against active directory
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| 09:21 | <alkisg> That would happen on the server, not on the clients
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| 09:21 | E.g. install likewise on the server, and then the clients would be able to login to their ltsp server using their normal ssh method
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| 09:22 | <Gnoze5> i did it
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| 09:22 | finally
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| 09:22 | god
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| 09:22 | argh
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| 09:47 | <pedronveloso> if I was to install wine as a local app, where should I place the wine prefix?
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> The wine prefix would be the same either as a local app or not
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| 09:48 | I.e. $HOME/.wine in both cases
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| 09:48 | So you wouldn't need to modify it
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| 09:48 | <Gnoze5> alkisg lets say he wants to run ie as a local app
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| 09:48 | where should the prefix be?
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| 09:48 | <alkisg> In $HOME/.wine
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| 09:49 | <Gnoze5> not in the chroot?
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> Wine would be installed in the chroot, not IE
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| 09:49 | IE is installed in the user home dir in any case
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| 09:49 | Programs in wine get installed in the user dir
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| 09:49 | <Gnoze5> what happens when he runs IE?
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> The local wine runs IE from the user home
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| 09:49 | <Gnoze5> but the home is on the server
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| 09:50 | isnt that bad practice?
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> Localapps access $HOME with sshfs by default
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| 09:50 | Why bad practice? That's how localapps work
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| 09:50 | <Gnoze5> ok
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| 09:50 | <Gnoze5> because in this case we are talking about binaries
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| 09:51 | i mean firefox is installed as a local app in cheroot and the bins are on the local image
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| 09:51 | the only thing that is fetched via the sshfs is the user settings
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> I don't get the problem. Sshfs is much more secure than nfs/nbd, so binaries under ~/.wine would be safer than a local firefox served with nfs/nbd
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| 09:52 | <Gnoze5> security is not my concern here
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| 09:52 | the binaries will be constantly flying over the network
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| 09:52 | when they could be locally
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| 09:52 | <alkisg> There's no local disk
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| 09:52 | <Gnoze5> or are they just passed once?
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| 09:52 | but theres local memory
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| 09:52 | <alkisg> Either with nbd or nfs or sshfs, they'll go over the network
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| 09:53 | <Gnoze5> is but they go once over the network
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| 09:54 | <alkisg> I still don't get the question/problem. You're saying that nbd/nfs behave differently from sshfs wrt disk caching?
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| 09:56 | <Gnoze5> im not stating anything im trying to understand :)
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| 09:57 | <alkisg> Wine needs to read the binaries
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| 09:57 | It can either read them 'locally' from the 'chroot' with nbd/nfs, or 'remotely' with sshfs
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| 09:58 | Not much difference there
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| 09:58 | But the main problem is that the wine "binaries" like IE are per-user
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| 09:59 | So you can't really put them in the chroot, they're like user settings
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| 09:59 | A small exception is portableapps which do not require installation
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| 09:59 | You can put those anywhere (either in the chroot or on the server), and just make symlinks if needed
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| 10:00 | The wine prefix should *still* be left untouched
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| 10:00 | In order for the user settings to be per user/private
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| 10:01 | <Gnoze5> i want all the ies for example to work the same way
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| 10:02 | if i use the home i have to have a prefix per each user
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| 10:06 | <alkisg> You mean that you want all users to have the same wine settings?
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| 10:06 | All of them to have read/write access to the same dir?
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| 10:06 | <Gnoze5> thats something i would like tol avoid
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| 10:06 | <alkisg> Aside from file sharing and path problems, what if a person put a virus there?
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| 10:07 | Right, that's why the wine prefix should be different per user
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| 10:07 | <Gnoze5> thats why my first thought was, why not have the prefix on the local image
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| 10:07 | that way on boot its passed to the user
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| 10:07 | and thats that
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| 10:07 | if they change it they change it
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| 10:07 | <alkisg> The user doesn't have write access to the local image
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| 10:07 | <sunscreen> heheh it take a little while for the penny to drop with ltsp-localapps
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| 10:08 | <Gnoze5> does he need write access to run ie?
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| 10:08 | <alkisg> Not sure, try it: chown -R root:root .wine
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| 10:08 | <Gnoze5> well if wine is installed as a local app an it works
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| 10:08 | it shouldnt need read access
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| 10:11 | *write
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| 10:11 | sorrt
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| 10:11 | *sorry
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| 10:11 | lol
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| 10:11 | <sunscreen> mgariepy, fossala ..i discovered some options in a unlikely bios menu.. advanced -> power on options (at a glance you think power management options) .. they had the f11 boot option and recovery mode set to non visible/disabled.. ah well Hp escaped my hammer there to live another day :)
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| 10:11 | <Gnoze5> sunscreen youre the guy with the problem with the hp mthin client?
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| 10:11 | <alkisg> Gnoze5: Normally wine needs write access to the wine prefix, like windows needs write access to C:\Documents and settings\user. E.g. to store registry settings under HKEY_CURRENT_USER.
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| 10:12 | <Gnoze5> alkisg with that I agree
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| 10:12 | hm .
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| 10:12 | <alkisg> Gnoze5: there are 2 ways to do something similar to what you're thinking:
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| 10:13 | <sunscreen> i dont have a ltsp problem with it i just mentioned it to mgariepy that i tested it under ltsp and it worked well :) i was having ot beef with accessing the recovery manager/partition which had me on a while goose chase trying to find the software to create the hp recovery disc
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| 10:13 | <alkisg> Gnoze5: 1) copy ~/.wine to the user home dir from some master dir on each user logon (or when he runs wine), or
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| 10:13 | <Gnoze5> alkisg im listening
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| 10:14 | <alkisg> Gnoze5: 2) to make a hack and have system.reg and drive_c/windows and drive_c/program files etc symlinks to a read only folder, and leave the rest in the user dir
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| 10:14 | <pedronveloso> alkisg, like the script in here? http://bootpolish.net/home_howto_installies4linuxonltsp
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| 10:14 | <alkisg> That's like "faking" a real windows installation where the user has write access to some parts, but not everywhere
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| 10:14 | <Gnoze5> hm
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| 10:14 | point 2 makes sense
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| 10:15 | <pedronveloso> point 2 would be this one right? http://bootpolish.net/home_howto_installwineonltsp
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| 10:15 | <Gnoze5> pedronveloso you mean the script at the end?
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| 10:15 | <Gnoze5> (we are in the same room but for discussions purposes...)
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> pedronveloso: something like step 6 there, yes
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| 10:16 | But it's more difficult to maintain it than it sounds
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| 10:16 | <Gnoze5> hm
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| 10:16 | <sunscreen> next thing i want to do is change the boot splash
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| 10:16 | for ltsp
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| 10:17 | <Gnoze5> sunscreen you can change ldm theme
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| 10:17 | <pedronveloso> alkisg, no, it actually sounds a lot complicated to maintain :P
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| 10:17 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 10:17 | <Gnoze5> sunscreen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LDMThemeChange
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| 10:17 | <sunscreen> yeah. except our users never see ldm they just cut straight to rdesktop
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| 10:17 | <alkisg> Indeed, wine isn't easy for multi-user installations
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| 10:18 | <Gnoze5> oh
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| 10:18 | * alkisg once thought to make another package based on wine that would emulate "point 2" better | |
| 10:18 | <Gnoze5> alkisg should have done that package lol
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> Then I just stopped using windows apps in my classrooms :D
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| 10:18 | <Gnoze5> we actually want to limit IE to a specific site
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> (at least non-portableapps)
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| 10:19 | <Gnoze5> for other normal browsing we want users to use firefox of course
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| 10:20 | im so sick of the MS lock-in police
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| 10:21 | alkisg thanks btw...
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| 10:21 | <alkisg> np
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| 10:31 | <sunscreen> hm
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| 10:31 | is usplash/xsplash part of ltsp?
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| 10:34 | # apt-cache search usplash
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| 10:34 | startupmanager - Grub, Usplash and Splash screen configuration
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| 10:34 | <-- that safe to install in the chroot
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> sunscreen: if you are using ubuntu, they use plymouth
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| 10:44 | <sunscreen> kk
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| 10:44 | debian here Gadi, its available as a package
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| 10:46 | <tl1000s77> If I wanted to run a script when logging into a thinclient, where would I put that script?
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> One place is /etc/xdg/autostart on the server. It's not LTSP specific.
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| 10:47 | <tl1000s77> Great. So anyone logging into a thinclient would launch that script upon login?
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| 10:48 | <alkisg> Anyone logging into a thin client *or even* on a graphical session on the server
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| 10:49 | <tl1000s77> none of the files in the autostart folder are executable
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> They don't need to be, the xdg spec says they're supposed to be .desktop files
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| 10:50 | <tl1000s77> Okay, where would I put a bash script to run on login?
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| 12:25 | <abeehc> bam
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| 12:26 | <abeehc> that's where my mount script is too
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| 12:32 | <alkisg> tl1000s77: bash scripts can be called from desktop files
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| 12:32 | Just look at an existing desktop file there, and see the "exec" line
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| 12:39 | <TheMatrix3000> can i remove gnome-screensaver
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| 12:39 | from an ltsp server without any issue
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| 12:40 | <abeehc> i just removed the execute bit from the binary and switched to xscreensaver
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| 12:40 | and this gconftool-2 --type boolean -s /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/screensaver/start_screensaver false
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| 12:56 | <sunscreen> ooo!! i want raid at home now ;(
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| 12:56 | <abeehc> how do you go without?!
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| 12:56 | <sunscreen> slowly
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| 12:57 | <abeehc> haha
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| 12:57 | i don't use it for speed, anywhere
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| 12:57 | fault tolerance is a little more important; and get ssd for speed i'd think
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| 12:57 | <TheMatrix3000> how do i customize the user bars for everyone
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| 12:58 | <abeehc> TheMatrix3000: gnome?
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| 12:58 | <TheMatrix3000> i have SSD drives on my computer
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| 12:58 | yea
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| 12:58 | under gnome
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| 12:58 | on ltsp
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| 12:58 | i need to remove the fastuserswitch panel for everyone
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| 12:58 | and push out the user logout icon to everyone
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| 12:58 | <sunscreen> ah yea its just a convenient side effect of modern raid i suppose. performance drives raid 1 @ sata 3 is going be better then sata2 entry level drives
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| 12:58 | non raidy
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| 12:59 | <abeehc> TheMatrix3000: i never had a lot of fun with that, but this does work http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/gconf-8.html.en#gconf-14
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| 12:59 | <sunscreen> uh oh
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| 12:59 | that cant be good
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| 12:59 | Failed to read file /opt/ltsp/i386/sys/power/state, creating empty file
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| 12:59 | [==========/ ] 4226/38523 10%
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| 12:59 | Failed to read file /opt/ltsp/i386/sys/power/wakeup_count, creating empty file
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| 12:59 | <TheMatrix3000> what happend
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| 12:59 | eek
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| 13:00 | <TheMatrix3000> is there a separate chat for ltsp-cluster
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| 13:03 | how do I modify the panels for all ltsp users, i need to remove the fastuserswitch panel and put the logout icon in there
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| 13:04 | <abeehc> http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/gconf-8.html.en#gconf-14
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| 13:18 | <tl1000s77> does anyone know how I can setup a shell script to run on logout?
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| 13:19 | <HeMan> when I try to update my chroot I get "invoke-rc.d: initscript udev, action "reload" failed.", can that be solved in any easy way?
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| 13:20 | <HeMan> I'm running Ubuntu 11.04
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> Did you try setting LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false?
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| 13:25 | <HeMan> ah! no, missed that
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| 13:26 | <alkisg> Also try mounting /proc in the chroot, it helps sometimes
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| 13:26 | There should be an /usr/sbin/ltsp-chroot available in natty, you can also use that
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| 13:29 | <TheMatrix3000> Ok, still can't figure out why the "User Switcher" Panel applet crashes on LDAP users but doesn't on local users when logging into LTSP
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| 13:29 | <HeMan> ltsp-chroot is there!
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| 13:32 | now it complained that some of the kernel modules weren't there becaus I run -server- kernel on the server and -generic- on the clients
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| 13:40 | <TheMatrix3000> abeehc, i don't understand how that would change the ltsp side of things
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| 13:41 | would i have to edit the image being distributed, or just the ltsp server itself
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| 13:44 | <abeehc> assuming you are doing thin clients, only on the server
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| 13:44 | fatclients chroot is different I'd imagine
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| 13:48 | <tl1000s77> How can I run a shell script when a user logs off of a thin client?
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| 13:53 | <TheMatrix3000> abeehc,
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| 13:53 | the reason why I ask
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| 13:53 | is that for some reason fast_user_switch panel crashes on certain users
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| 13:53 | but not on all
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> TheMatrix3000: try: gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults --set --type list --list-type string /apps/panel/global/disabled_applets "[OAFIID:GNOME_FastUserSwitchApplet]"
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| 14:03 | <sunscreen> nearly got plymouth working
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| 14:03 | ltsp complained it could not start it though.. but if i do plymouthd plymouth --show-splash it works :D
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| 14:15 | hmmm
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| 14:15 | that init.d script on plymouth seems doge
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| 14:17 | <Gadi> sunscreen: it is usually started in the initramfs, I believe
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| 14:17 | have you updated the initramfs and done ltsp-update-kernels?
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| 14:18 | <sunscreen> i did update-initramfs -u from chroot
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> you still need an: ltsp-update-kernels outside the chroot
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| 14:18 | so, it updates the initramfs served to the client
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| 14:19 | <sunscreen> oki done
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| 14:19 | let me try
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| 14:24 | <TheMatrix3000> ah i think i just found magic
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| 14:24 | lol
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| 14:24 | so i need sudo apt-get install gconf-editor
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| 14:24 | and i can set up network proxy though ltsp
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| 14:24 | so that users will have to authenticate to a proxy to browse the internet
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| 14:27 | <sunscreen> TheMatrix3000, i am searching for a solution that will allow me authenticate a user to web interface in order to add there ip to firewall to allow access for rdesktop
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| 14:28 | <TheMatrix3000> that would be more difficult than i can comprehend
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| 14:32 | <sunscreen> yep i think i will have to design such a system my self its trivial really hard part will be allowing firewall modifications by php but then there is probably a php lib for that
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| 14:33 | or a module
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| 14:33 | i am just too lazy.. lol more concerned with my precious splash screen har har
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| 14:34 | who cares if it works it must look shinny :)
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| 14:34 | <TheMatrix3000> lol
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| 14:34 | i made my login screen pretty
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| 14:34 | did it on a bored weekend
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| 14:35 | ok, on ltsp, when I use the "User Profile Editor" and modify a panel, I try to save it and it crashes
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| 14:39 | <TheMatrix30001> anyone have any advice for that?
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| 14:43 | <sunscreen> try run it with strace/gdb
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| 14:43 | i don't know if they are installed
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| 14:44 | <TheMatrix30001> what does that mean?
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| 14:44 | what is the command
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| 14:44 | <sunscreen> man ptrace and strace
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| 14:44 | man gdb
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| 14:46 | I cant get ldm up for some reason today
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| 14:56 | <TheMatrix3000> ah
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| 14:56 | if i edit something in gconf-editor it will work right
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| 14:56 | instead of editing the key's manually
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| 15:16 | ah, but then how are users by default getting the applet
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| 15:16 | ok, time to go to ubuntu chat huh
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| 15:20 | <sunscreen> ahh
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| 15:20 | sun of a gun
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| 15:20 | Gadi, when i did ltsp-update-kernels
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| 15:21 | it reverted my setup as if its on nbd when i am using nfs i guess it has ---nfs option and --nbd option
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| 15:22 | hm no
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| 15:22 | wtf
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| 15:23 | Restarting Network Block Device server: Stopping Network Block Device server: nbd-server.
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| 15:23 | ** Message: No configured exports; quitting.
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| 15:23 | nbd-server.
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| 15:41 | ok
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| 15:41 | that broke it
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| 15:41 | <vagrantc> sunscreen: typically, it doesn't use the nbd-server stuff from the nbd-server package, but uses an entry in /etc/inetd.conf
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| 15:42 | sunscreen: and yes, manual edits to pxelinux.cfg/default will be overwritten when running ltsp-update-kernels
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| 15:42 | there are ways to configure it to get it to add the changes you want
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| 15:42 | but not well documented
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| 15:43 | <sunscreen> if you even mention the nbdport in there it will attempt to boot from nbd rather then nfs right?
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| 15:44 | append ro initrd=initrd.img root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.1.77:/opt/ltsp/i386
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| 15:45 | <vagrantc> sunscreen: you need boot=nfs
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| 15:45 | if you want nfs root
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| 15:45 | it hard-codes boot=ltsp_nbd unfortunately.
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| 15:47 | <sunscreen> aah ok tnx for clearing that up, so does it need the ip address or does it know by the fact its connected to the server some how
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| 15:57 | CUmmon ltsp-update-image !!
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| 15:57 | * sunscreen prods it along with a sharped pencil | |
| 15:57 | <sunscreen> complaining about its unreadable files in /sys/ :)
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| 15:58 | pfft
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| 16:00 | * sunscreen cp default default.bak | |
| 16:00 | <Gadi> sunscreen: if you run nfs, do not use ltsp-update-image
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| 16:03 | <sunscreen> er doh.. yeah alkisg already told me that before, i got confused which one needed it .. but why, is it bad?
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| 16:04 | <Gadi> it assumes you want nbd
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| 16:04 | and modifies stuff for nbd
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| 16:05 | <sunscreen> stuff being boot options ..
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| 16:05 | or worst?
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| 16:07 | <Gadi> yeah, boot options
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| 16:09 | <sunscreen> kk
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| 16:09 | intel 830 driver cant support 32 bits
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| 16:09 | how pathetic
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| 16:10 | <Gnoze5> what?
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| 16:10 | is that really true?
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| 16:10 | <sunscreen> its what Xorg.7.log just told me
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| 16:10 | i had X_COLOR_DEPTH=32
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| 16:11 | * sunscreen trys 24 | |
| 16:11 | <Gnoze5> whats the max it supports?
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| 16:11 | <sunscreen> ah you just reminded me i need to run hwinfo
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| 16:18 | <sunscreen2> yay
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| 16:19 | SubVendor: "Intel(r)Broadwater-G Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS"
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| 16:19 | SubDevice:
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| 16:20 | highest resolution 24bit
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| 16:20 | Mode 0x035a: 1600x1200 (+6400), 24 bit
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| 16:27 | <sunscreen2> i guess developing ltsp is easier for you guy under nfs
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| 16:27 | cause you dont have to keep rebuilding the image
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| 16:29 | brb
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| 16:31 | <sunscreen2> sweetness on a stick ;)
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| 16:31 | now in 1024x768 @ 24bit ;x
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| 16:32 | and plymouth worked well
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| 16:32 | i think the only remaining thing on the snagging list is the window manager is using compositing and drawing the icons/panels background black rather then transparent
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| 16:37 | <sunscreen2> TheMatrix3000, 3000 matrix's later and neo is still trying to master cmd.exe to fight the machines
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| 16:38 | bit like me with ltsp :D
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| 16:40 | ltsp reminds me of a over the netowork lfs kinda
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| 16:41 | i know its probably nothing like it but... it is just with out the tool chain aspect because the package manager is there
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| 16:53 | <sunscreen2> hmm
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| 16:53 | just seems to affect openbox
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| 16:53 | ah no
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| 16:53 | hmmm
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| 16:54 | <Gnoze5> hmm net split
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| 16:55 | <sunscreen2> woot
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| 17:15 | <sunscreen2> somethings screwy, now in openbox session .. no transparency issue
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| 17:17 | ah no it is
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| 17:17 | except now its white instead of black
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| 17:24 | * sunscreen2 updates gtk | |
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| 17:24 | <sunscreen2> interesting installing gnome-dev triggere 501mb of related lib upgrades
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| 18:35 | <sunscreen2> http://img690.imageshack.us/i/ballsx.png/
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| 18:35 | freaking intel
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| 18:35 | pissing me off now
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| 20:12 | <sunscreen2> ok i have a very effective work around for intel users struck by the regression in Xorg 2.15.. real fing simple
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| 20:13 | apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-intel
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| 20:13 | reboot
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| 20:13 | not sure what gets used in its place but it works perfectly
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| 20:13 | probably xorg-video-vesa
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| 20:14 | andwhen your talking about gpu with 8mb of ram .. does even actually mater any way lol
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| 20:15 | if the glove fits wear it on that one, i say ;)
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| 20:17 | all that run around now made me bloat up my thin clients fs with unescesary bull crap.. the intel devs can have the accolade of wally's of the year for that one
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| 22:34 | <alkisg> Would anyone object if I committed a SCREEN_07=xterm screen script to be used mainly for troubleshooting?
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| 22:37 | <muppis> If it works, why should?
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| 22:49 | <cyberorg> alkisg, there already is LDM_DEBUG_TERMINAL
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| 22:49 | <alkisg> cyberorg: that's after ldm logon
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| 22:50 | So people using e.g. only rdesktop can't troubleshoot xrandr problems
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| 22:50 | (of course they could, but not as easily as specifying an xterm screen script)
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| 22:51 | <cyberorg> alkisg, ok, it would be nice to get xterm along with ldm before login too
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| 22:52 | <alkisg> There's no window manager at ldm so there's a chance the user won't be able to logon then, if xterm gets over the username entry field
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| 22:52 | Also it's possible that someone doesn't have ldm at all (like in the rdesktop case)
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| 22:53 | <cyberorg> or custom keybinding that brings up local xterm from anywhere, X/LDM/logged in session?
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| 22:56 | <alkisg> I don't know how to program X keybindings (I know about gnome keybindings, but those aren't suitable)... but even so, the sysadmin would again have to declare that keybinding in lts.conf, otherwise it would be a security issue
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| 22:57 | So if it's only for troubleshooting, and one does have to change his lts.conf, why not make it a separate screen script?
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