IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 9 October 2019 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:43 | <ltsp_user33> Hey, i have the following question: i plan on using LTSP for about 30 Thin Clients with 1080p Displays, only with standard software (firefox, thunderbird, libre office). they will be running at the same time. what kind of server do i need to serve that network?
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| 05:44 | <alkisg> ltsp_user33: what client cpu/ram?
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| 05:44 | Are you *sure* you want thin clients there?
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| 05:47 | <ltsp_user33> yes i am sure. AMD GX-212JC Dual-Core SOC APU is the CPU, 2 Gigs of RAM
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| 05:47 | <alkisg> These will work a whole lot better as diskless ltsp fat clients, not as thin clients
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| 05:48 | <ltsp_user33> why and how?
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| 05:48 | <alkisg> 1920×1080×32×60 = 3.981.312.000
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| 05:48 | Sending 1080p @ 60fps over the network is 4 gbps per client
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| 05:49 | So for 30 clients, you need 119.439.360.000, 120 gbps
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| 05:49 | <ltsp_user33> i didnt think about that at all
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| 05:49 | <alkisg> So of course they'll see lower frame rates
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| 05:49 | They'll only get partial screen updates etc
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| 05:49 | While if they work as fat clients, they only get remote disk
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| 05:50 | So 1 gbps for all clients is fine
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| 05:50 | <ltsp_user33> okay
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| 05:50 | <alkisg> !install
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| 05:50 | <ltsp> install: To install LTSP19+: https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/wiki/installation. To install LTSP5: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation/Ubuntu for Ubuntu, or http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation for other distributions
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| 05:50 | <ltsp_user33> what is LTSP19+
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| 05:50 | <alkisg> So, if you install LTSP normally, you'll get fat client ltsp; then any server will work fine
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| 05:50 | E.g. you can use one of these clients as the server
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| 05:50 | It's the new version of ltsp, it's changed a lot so we mention it separately
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| 05:51 | It uses different web sites and different tutorials
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| 05:51 | <ltsp_user33> i have LTSP5 installed in vmware for testing purposes right now
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| 05:51 | didnt know about ltsp19, when did it come out?
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| 05:51 | <alkisg> In the summer
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| 05:51 | <ltsp_user33> yeah i see
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| 05:51 | okay so i will have a look at that
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| 05:52 | thanks
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| 05:52 | how do i know what kind of ltsp i have installed right now?
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| 05:52 | fat vs thin client setup
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| 05:52 | <alkisg> Type this: sudo ltsp-info | nc termbin.com 9999
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| 05:52 | And paste the url here
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| 05:52 | It'll tell us your setup
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| 05:53 | <ltsp_user33> it will take a minute
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| 05:54 | https://termbin.com/1kge
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| 05:55 | <alkisg> OK, and the output of this command? ls -l /opt/ltsp/amd64/usr/share/xsessions /opt/ltsp/images | nc termbin.com 9999
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| 05:56 | Btw, your debian is old; if you're starting a new setup, start with a recent debian buster or ubuntu 18.04, and maybe the mate flavor
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| 05:57 | <ltsp_user33> yes i would use debian buster. the vm is from early summer. somehow every single linux project has released an update since then
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| 05:57 | <alkisg> Haha
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| 05:59 | <ltsp_user33> it says it cant find it
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| 05:59 | i think i'm making a mistake but i can't find it
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| 06:00 | <alkisg> OK just tell me the size of this file: /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img
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| 06:00 | <ltsp_user33> can i upload screenshots?
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| 06:01 | <alkisg> Sure, imggur.com or something, google 'upload screenshot'
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| 06:01 | <ltsp_user33> oh ok, tought maybe this chat had an option
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| 06:02 | 349446144 is the size it shows me with ls
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| 06:03 | thanks for your help btw, really appreciate it
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| 06:03 | <alkisg> 350 MB means you're using thin clients
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| 06:03 | Btw, nowadays I'm the main ltsp developer. My advice to you is to reinstall your VM using debian buster, and to follow the ltsp19 guide:
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| 06:03 | !install
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| 06:03 | <ltsp> install: To install LTSP19+: https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/wiki/installation. To install LTSP5: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation/Ubuntu for Ubuntu, or http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation for other distributions
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| 06:04 | <alkisg> The first link there
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| 06:04 | <ltsp_user33> ooh you made ltsp19
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| 06:05 | <ltsp_user33> yeah i will do that. thanks for your help.
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| 08:18 | <skiadopou> Σε καινούργιο εργαστήριο επανεγκατέστησα το ubuntu mate 18.04.1 (γιατί είχε 18.04.3) τόσο στον server όσο και στους clients στους οποίους εγκατέστησα το grub-ipxe. Ρύθμισα τις συνδέσεις δικτύου σε μόνο αυτόματες,
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| 08:18 | δημοσίευσα τον δίσκο αλλά οι clients δεν κάνουν boot από το δίκτυο, παρόλο που εμφανίζεται η σχετική επιλογή στο grub.
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| 08:18 | <alkisg> !greek
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| 08:18 | <ltsp> greek: Στο παρόν κανάλι μιλάνε μόνο Αγγλικά, για υποστήριξη στα Ελληνικά από την υπηρεσία Τεχνικής Στήριξης ΣΕΠΕΗΥ διαβάστε το http://ts.sch.gr/wiki/IRC και στη συνέχεια πληκτρολογήστε /j #ts.sch.gr
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| 08:18 | <alkisg> skiadopou: δηλαδή γράψε εδώ όπωςείσαι: /join #ts.sch.gr
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| 08:47 | <DavidTN> Hi everybody
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| 08:47 | I've a problem with LTSP
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| 08:54 | <DavidTN> I've a problem with my Ubuntu Mate 16.04.6 64b LTSP server
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| 08:54 | Ltsp version: ltsp-server/xenial,xenial 5.5.7-1 all
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| 08:55 | <meo> DavidTN: that's the old ltsp
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| 08:55 | it is no longer maintained
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| 08:55 | !ltsp5
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| 08:55 | <ltsp> ltsp5: ltsp has been rewritten in 2019. The old 5 version is unmaintained; the new 19+ versions (year-based) are actively maintained. More info in the new site, https://ltsp.github.io
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| 08:56 | <DavidTN> when I insert an usb drive it appears an error message like this "It's not possible to mount "/media/user/E87B-9503". Position is not a folder"
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| 08:56 | can you help me?
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| 08:58 | I read about the new version but now I cannot upgrade my installation
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| 09:04 | is there no way to resolve?
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| 09:20 | <alkisg> DavidTN: are you using thin or fat clients?
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| 09:21 | If it's fat clients, then it can be resolved, it's probably a mate issue or a folder issue
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| 09:21 | If it's thin clients, then no, those have been deprecated since a lot time now
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| 09:21 | <DavidTN> fatclient
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| 09:21 | <alkisg> What's the output of this command? ls -l /media/user
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| 09:21 | ls -la /media/user | nc termbin.com 9999
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| 09:21 | Better that ^ one
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| 09:21 | <DavidTN> this problem appears after an upgrade, but I don't know when
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| 09:22 | <alkisg> Run this from the client
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| 09:22 | <DavidTN> permission denied...
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| 09:24 | ls -la /media/user => drwxr-x---+ 2 root root 40 ott 9 11:16 user
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| 09:26 | in server ls -la /opt/ltsp/amd64/media/ => drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 ago 20 2018 .drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 ago 19 11:34 ..
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| 09:32 | <alkisg> DavidTN: yes it sounds like a permissions issue on the chroot/folder etc; sorry I need to leave now, if you don't find a solution come again tomorrow
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| 09:34 | <DavidTN> ok, thanks
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| 09:38 | <alkisg> DavidTN: ah, are you using epoptes? Maybe I can check over vnc, I have a couple of minutes before I leave...
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| 09:44 | <DavidTN> yes, but I've just a fatclient to use. Other ones are in use
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| 09:46 | can you connect to a fatclient o do you need epoptes server?
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> DavidTN: OK, but I need these:
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| 09:47 | From fat client: x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
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| 09:47 | From epoptes server, YOU right click on the client, open terminal, root, remotely
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| 09:47 | So that I have a root shell on the client
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| 09:51 | DavidTN: from the epoptes server
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| 09:51 | I need you to right click on the client
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| 09:51 | and select open terminal, root, remotely
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| 09:51 | This will give me a root access on the client, not the server
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| 09:52 | I.e. an xterm window will pop up on the client
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| 09:52 | Ah you don't have epoptes
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| 09:53 | <DavidTN> in epoptes server what host?
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| 09:53 | <alkisg> fatx
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| 09:53 | Right click on fatx
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| 09:59 | DavidTN: it is indeed a permissions issue, the ACLs don't take effect
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| 09:59 | So a chmod 755 /media/fatx solves the problem temporarily
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| 09:59 | There are a lot of recent updates in apt history, so I don't know what caused that, it wasn't ltsp
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| 09:59 | You still have a 5-year old ltsp :)
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| 10:00 | <DavidTN> from server-epoptes to server-client, right?
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| 10:00 | <alkisg> I need to go now; check if it also happens on the server, if so, it may be an ubuntu update bug
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| 10:00 | <DavidTN> ok
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| 10:00 | thank you very much
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| 10:00 | <alkisg> You're welcome, bbl
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| 10:00 | <DavidTN> I try
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| 10:00 | bye
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| 11:25 | <Guest99623> hello everyone, I have setup the new LTSP from github, everything is working great, however, I am wondering how we can run clients as "fat clients"
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| 11:26 | the old LTSP5, I followed this guide:https://wiki.tolabaki.gr/w/LTSP_Fat_Client_Setup , but the new LTSP generates .img files instead
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| 11:27 | <Hyperbyte> Guest99623, have a look into the ltsp chrootless method
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| 11:27 | You can build a client image from the root of the server
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| 11:27 | ltsp-update-image --cleanup /
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| 11:28 | And for the record, both thin clients and fat clients boot from a network image; both have an .img file, unless you're using something non-standard.
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| 11:29 | <Guest99623> ltsp-update-image --cleanup / << these command are working with the old LTSP5, I am using the new LTSP from github "ltsp-update-image" does not exist and requires ltsp-server package
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| 11:29 | or can new LTSP and LTSP5 work side-by-side?
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| 11:38 | <Hyperbyte> I'm pretty sure you need the ltsp-server package to set up your server?
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| 11:39 | <Guest99623> I followed the instructions from here: says nothing about ltsp-server package
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| 11:39 | https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/wiki/installation#installing-ltsp-server-packages
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| 11:43 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: your knowledge is obsolete :)
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| 11:43 | There's no ltsp-server package, no ltsp-build-client anymore :)
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| 11:43 | Guest99623: LTSP19 only supports fat clients
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| 11:43 | So your image is already "fat"
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| 11:44 | <alkisg> Btw, both the old and the new ltsp used ".img" files
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| 11:45 | <Guest99623> alkisg, thank you so much for this information
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| 11:45 | <alkisg> Just the place changed, from /opt/ltsp/images, to /srv/ltsp/images, for FHS compliancy
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| 11:45 | <Guest99623> I actually just realised now that I see CPU spikes on the server because the client references the image when programs are started on the client
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| 11:46 | <alkisg> You should only see nfsd and sshd there, affecting server cpu
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| 11:46 | For root (/) and /home
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| 11:47 | <Guest99623> yes, that is correct, I see that now :)
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| 11:48 | is it possible then to move the client users /home to a secondary drive on the ltsp server?
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| 11:48 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 11:48 | <Guest99623> I have something larger, 3tb RAID
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| 11:49 | <alkisg> Are you using SSHFS or NFS for /home?
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| 11:49 | SSHFS is the default (safer), NFS is optional with 1 command (faster, insecure)
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| 11:49 | <Guest99623> actually I am not sure if its SSHFS or NFS since I followed the guide exactly: https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/wiki/installation#installing-ltsp-server-packages
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| 11:50 | <alkisg> OK then it's sshfs
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| 11:50 | So one easy way is to mount the 3 tb drive to /home, using fstab on the server itself
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| 11:50 | So that users can ssh to the server normally and login with their homes normally
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| 11:52 | <Guest99623> okay thanks, and what is the command to enable NFS for /home? I did not see it on the wiki
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| 11:53 | <alkisg> The initial page only gives the basics, to make things easier. Then you're supposed to read the man pages. Run this: man ltsp nfs
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| 11:54 | The man pages are also online in the wiki
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| 11:54 | <Guest99623> okay thanks, I will read those :)
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| 13:36 | <highvoltage> hey alkisg, ever tried the memtest.efi on efi? I get a banner message that says "This version of memtest does not support PXE" (or similar to that message)
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| 15:29 | <alkisg> Hey highvoltage; afaik I did, are you talking about that one that ltsp -o ipxe downloads, or your own?
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| 15:30 | <highvoltage> alkisg: yeah that ltsp ipxe downloads
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| 15:30 | <alkisg> c7895d12afecd28d5095831a7e26772e /srv/tftp/ltsp/memtest.efi
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| 15:30 | <highvoltage> alkisg: will poke it again a bit later, I thought that maybe either it was untested or there was some common gotcha that I just needed to fix
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| 15:31 | <alkisg> highvoltage: I definitely tested memtest.efi successfully; but I'm not 100% sure that the one I tested is the one shipped
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| 15:31 | <highvoltage> # md5sum memtest.efi
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| 15:31 | c7895d12afecd28d5095831a7e26772e memtest.efi
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| 15:32 | <alkisg> That gives me a 90% percent certainty that it's the one I succeeded with; but not 100% :D
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| 15:32 | I'm remote now, can't test; I can test tomorrow
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| 15:32 | <highvoltage> same here
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| 15:36 | <alkisg> The kernel also has a memtest parameter that works in efi, but it's just a pass / dmesg / ok, no GUI
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| 15:36 | So it doesn't really belong in a menu
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| 15:41 | highvoltage: if you're working on ipxe, see if you can also push this one: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=927783
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| 15:41 | I sent a patch there, it just needs to be committed...
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| 16:04 | <highvoltage> alkisg: ok will check tomorrow
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> Great
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| 16:19 | * alkisg fixed the IRC redirect to include all Greek ISP ranges, not just the school network ones, so hopefully you won't need to say "that's Greek to me!" again :D | |
| 16:19 | <mwalters> but I liked saying it ;)
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| 16:20 | I just need to learn how to say it in Greek!
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| 16:21 | <alkisg> We actually say "that's chinese to me"
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| 16:21 | <mwalters> So in reality, I need to learn how to say "That's English to me!" in chinese
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| 16:22 | Then we'll come full circle
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| 16:22 | <alkisg> 對我來說是英語 :P
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| 16:23 | <mwalters> hah!
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| 17:56 | <dgroos> hey Alkis!
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| 17:57 | <alkisg> Hi dgroos
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| 17:57 | Let's go private
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| 17:57 | <dgroos> sure
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