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| 02:32 | <lcf_> i have a problem i am new on ltsp project . i installer ubuntu server 64bit with ltsp. my client is booting on pxe after i got the ubuntu login screen i cannot login using my username and password.
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| 02:33 | what should i do? thanks
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| 09:45 | <frank_____> epoptes, sometime it doesn't start (says: file not found), but if I do a service epoptes restart all is fine. Does anybody how to fix this?
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| 10:03 | <frank_____> I have thin client with internal 1GB flash. Was wondering how I can enable local swap so to improve performance. Have I to fdisk each client as partition 82 then enable local swap in lts.conf?
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| 11:46 | <map7> alkisg, thanks for the information about the lts.conf file, it works in i386 (even though it's loading the amd64 image)
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> You're welcome, do mention the solution in the ML as well.
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| 11:47 | You could also file a bug report, but I don't think anyone will work on that, because lts.conf will be mostly deprecated in ltsp6 anyway
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| 11:47 | <map7> will do. This seems like a bug as it should look for that in my amd64 directory should it not?
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> IPAPPEND is the issue, the client doesn't know the boot path because it doesn't do a dhcp request
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| 11:48 | So the solution would involve syslinux more than ltsp...
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| 11:48 | <map7> ah ok.
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| 11:48 | so what is replacing lts.conf as I use that a lot at work
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| 11:49 | <alkisg> ltspd, a deamon, to be designed, it's too early to give details
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| 11:50 | <Hyperbyt1> alkisg, cool, can you give some details tonight then?
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| 11:51 | <alkisg> Sure! http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:Ltspd
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| 11:51 | :P
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| 14:59 | <cryptrat> Hello, i have a question, can you have both normal thin clients and kiosk clients boot off the same server?
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| 15:07 | <championofcyrod1> cryptrat: yes. Make two separate images, and specify them via MAC address in your DHCPd conf
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| 15:08 | <cryptrat> would you be able to specify them if you were using dnsmasq too?
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| 15:21 | <||cw> yes
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| 15:24 | <Hyperbyte> Two images? You could just use one image and use lts.conf variables?
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| 15:25 | <championofcyrod1> i wrongly assumed the kiosk client and thin clients were running diff. harward.
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| 15:25 | hardware*
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| 15:25 | like, i396 vs. amd64
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| 15:26 | <championofcyrod1> heh... s/396/386
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| 15:26 | wait... its i386 right? now that doesnt look right to me.
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| 15:27 | <Aetos> hi :)
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| 15:27 | anybody here?
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| 15:39 | <cryptrat> yeah all i386
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| 15:40 | yeah one server for both thin and kiosk clients,
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| 15:40 | currently have thin clients using dnsmasq proxydhcp
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| 15:46 | <||cw> what are you calling kiosk, exacty?
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| 15:47 | normally that's just a per-user config, can be the same image
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| 16:01 | * vagrantc notices that setting ltsp.FOO=bar at the ltsp boot prompt doesn't allow overriding FOO=baz set in lts.conf | |
| 16:09 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ltsp.SERVER=1.2.3.4... we need to read that before fetching lts.conf
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| 16:10 | Maybe we could parse the cmdline again, a second time, after we parse lts.conf
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| 16:10 | Or, we could change the lts.conf parsing logic so that it doesn't override existing variables
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| 16:11 | ||cw: kiosk is usually a screen script, per machine, executed with no logins involved
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| 16:11 | cryptrat: you just need to specify [pc01] SCREEN_07=kiosk and [pc02] SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 16:11 | In lts.conf... no need for 2 images
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> alkisg: parsing it a second time seems like the simplest thing to do
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| 16:15 | even though it seems a bit ugly
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| 16:16 | alkisg: did you turn translations back on?
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| 16:16 | <alkisg> We can also create a temp file, /run/ltsp/cmdline, and just source it
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| 16:16 | ...a second time
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| 16:16 | In case some other script needs future access to the command line as well
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| 16:16 | I don't remember, let me check...
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> i think we already do that sort of thing
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| 16:17 | the ltsp_config_env_cache or whatever
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| 16:17 | <alkisg> Not for kernel command line
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> yes, but the infrastructure is there
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| 16:18 | <alkisg> It's just an echo + a redirect, I don't think we need anything fancy...
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| 16:18 | # export LTSP variables
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| 16:18 | export "$var"="$value"
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| 16:18 | ==> we add an echo there
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| 16:19 | https://translations.launchpad.net/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/+translations-settings ==> enabled
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| 16:19 | https://translations.launchpad.net/ltsp/ldm-trunk/+translations-settings ==> disabled
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| 16:19 | I think we didn't ever stop ltsp translations...
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| 16:20 | Only the ldm had the frequent commits issue
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| 16:20 | Maybe the template does need an update though
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| 16:21 | I think it needs an update on each release
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| 16:21 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yeah, came to the same conclusion with the echo on the ltsp.* variables
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| 16:22 | <alkisg> ltsp.pot: "Project-Id-Version: ltsp 5.4.4\n"
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| 16:22 | I think that when this is out of date, the commits are frequent
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| 16:22 | And it needs to be updated on each release
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| 16:23 | I.e. every time release.conf is changed, ltsp.pot should be updated too
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| 16:23 | <vagrantc> i'm wondering if it shouln't be: echo export "$var"="$value" vs. echo "$var"="$value"
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| 16:23 | ugh.
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| 16:23 | is that what it is.
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| 16:23 | alkisg: but that hasn't obviously been updated in ages.
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| 16:24 | <alkisg> I'd prefer the plain "echo", and anyone who wants them in the environment, would run `set -a` before sourcing them
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| 16:24 | <vagrantc> and it hasn't been generating spam commits.
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| 16:24 | alkisg: but sourcing lts.conf defaults to export
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| 16:24 | <alkisg> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2565
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| 16:24 | <vagrantc> or rather, they're exported by default in lts.conf
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| 16:25 | <alkisg> vagrantc: check set_lts_var
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| 16:25 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yeah, awesome.
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| 16:25 | <alkisg> if [ -n "$val" ]; then
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| 16:25 | export "$var"="$val"
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| 16:25 | echo "$var=\"$val\"" >> ${ltsp_config_env}
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| 16:25 | I.e. no "export" written in the cache files
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| 16:25 | <vagrantc> sure, just wonder if that's a mistake
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| 16:25 | <alkisg> We can follow suit, I think it's the best thing to do
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| 16:26 | <vagrantc> it's inconsistant with eval $(getltscfg -a)
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| 16:26 | <alkisg> I think that lts.conf sourcing is a bit evil...
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| 16:26 | It shouldn't run eval, it shouldn't have "export" etc
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| 16:26 | We don't want variables in the environment by default
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| 16:26 | <vagrantc> fair enough
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| 16:26 | <alkisg> We should only want them as shell variables, not as environment variables
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| 16:26 | <vagrantc> not true in the case of LDM
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| 16:27 | <alkisg> Because when we spawn commands, they inherit them
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| 16:27 | We shouldn't want spawned programs to have e.g. 20 LTSP* variables in their environment, I don't think it makes sense
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| 16:27 | And actually I was thinking about that yesterday,
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| 16:27 | for the future, e.g. ltsp6+, I'd like to suggest:
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| 16:28 | <vagrantc> i hear what you're saying, but that's not how it's been for ages, and some of our programs depend on it.
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| 16:28 | <alkisg> local_variable
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| 16:28 | ENVIRONMENT_VARIABLE
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| 16:28 | Sorry
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| 16:28 | local_variable, VARIABLE_FOR_ALL_SHELL_SCRIPTS, LTSP_ENVIRONMENT_VARIABLE
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| 16:28 | I.e. that variables in CAPS are not in the environment, but are available for all sourced ltsp scripts,
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| 16:29 | and that variables that start with LTSP, are exported in the environment
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| 16:29 | Anyway, that's for future chat
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| 16:29 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 16:30 | <alkisg> For ltsp6, we'll change lts.conf to ltspd, so we'll be free to discard the "eval" logic there
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| 16:30 | So we can omit the exports from there too
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| 16:30 | * vagrantc pushed the ltsp.ltsconf=lts-alternate.conf and set all lts.* variables in /var/cache/ltsp/ltsp_config commits | |
| 16:30 | <vagrantc> right
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| 16:33 | <alkisg> Hrm... well, since we started that chat... why not make ltspd directives lowercase? That way we won't have to care for namespace collisions
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| 16:33 | E.g. fat_client=True, or even FatClient=True, if we want :D
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| 16:33 | Only the ones exported in the environment need to be upppercased
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| 16:34 | LTSP_CLIENT_MAC etc
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| 16:34 | But usually those are set from our scripts, not from lts.conf
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| 16:35 | * vagrantc should've gotten those commits pushed to ltsp 5.5.2 ... | |
| 16:35 | * vagrantc balks at CamelCase! | |
| 16:36 | <vagrantc> alkisg: depends on if we'll be re-using any variable names/code
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| 16:36 | alkisg: but developing more consistancy there would be good.
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| 16:36 | main thing seems to be figuring out a way to get the impetus to actually work on it... :(
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| 16:37 | <alkisg> True... I think we should first accept that it's mostly upon the 2 of us to do it, and program when to do it... :-/
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| 16:38 | We tried many times to "get momentum", I don't think we need to wait any longer
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> that might be the case
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| 17:09 | * alkisg is reading https://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/shell.xml ... | |
| 17:10 | <alkisg> E.g. "Executables should have no extension (strongly preferred) or a .sh extension. Libraries must have a .sh extension and should not be executable."
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| 17:12 | <vagrantc> sounds right to me, except for the libraries having .sh
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| 17:13 | <alkisg> "Indentation is two spaces. Whatever you do, don't use tabs. " Hehe
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| 17:16 | <vagrantc> so, what's with lts.conf only being checked in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf ? is that most likely due to proxydhcp?
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| 17:16 | i.e. amd64 host still checks for i386/lts.conf ?
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| 17:16 | i see it's the default when no filename is found via dhcp
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| 17:17 | <alkisg> ./client/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/05-getltsconffile: tftp "$SERVER" -c get ${pathonly:-/ltsp/i386/}lts.conf $lts_conf_temp >/dev/null
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> right
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| 17:17 | <alkisg> We can use $ARCH there if we want a more sane default
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> seems like it would be better.
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| 17:18 | obviously long-term, this all goes away
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| 17:18 | <alkisg> I don't know if we have ARCH at that point though
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| 17:18 | Yup
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| 17:19 | <vagrantc> looks like gentoo does it
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| 17:19 | detect_arch
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| 17:22 | <alkisg> ...and that's basically the only reason they're overriding 05-getltsconffile ?!
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| 17:22 | Ah, mv doesn't work with bind-mounts too
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| 17:24 | <vagrantc> seems like we could put $(detect_arch) in there...
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| 17:25 | <alkisg> Yup, sounds good
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> it'll probably be slightly slower, calling dpkg
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| 17:29 | gentoo uses amd64 and not x86_64 ? huh.
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| 17:30 | * alkisg wonders if pxelinux always puts initrd=/path/to/initrd in the cmdline, we could use that one then, it'd even be better | |
| 17:35 | <vagrantc> i do seem to recall actually specifying the lts.conf in dhcp differently
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| 17:35 | so the initramfs dhcp request would actually be configurable
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| 17:36 | <alkisg> proxydhcp doesn't do a dhcp request at the initramfs stage though
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| 17:36 | But if one has a chroot called "fat123", he'd probably want lts.conf inside fat123 as well, not in i386
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| 17:39 | <vagrantc> true that
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| 17:40 | i was thinking to extend ltsp.ltsconf to actually specify a full path as well
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| 17:40 | but maybe deriving it from the initrd is even better.
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| 17:43 | <dudaubuntu> Hi
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| 17:44 | i need help
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| 17:44 | <vagrantc> !ask | echo dudaubuntu
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| 17:44 | <ltsp> dudaubuntu ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 17:45 | <dudaubuntu> Ok
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| 17:45 | My english isn't well...
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| 17:46 | ubuntu winboot wubildr.mbr
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| 17:46 | Archivo: \ubuntu\winboot\wubildr.mbr Estado: 0xc0000007b
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| 17:46 | how can i solve this problem?
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| 17:46 | now i download again the iso
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| 17:46 | <alkisg> dudaubuntu: are you on the correct channel? This is for LTSP, are you using LTSP?
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| 17:47 | <dudaubuntu> because i think that the other download maybe is damaged..
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| 17:47 | how can i change the channel?
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| 17:47 | <alkisg> Type this: /j #ubuntu-es
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| 17:48 | Or: /join #ubuntu-es
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| 17:48 | <dudaubuntu> where?
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| 17:48 | <alkisg> Here where you type things
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| 17:48 | <dudaubuntu> is my first time in irc chat
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| 17:48 | <alkisg> It's a command to your irc client, it tells it to join another channel
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| 17:49 | <dudaubuntu> #ubuntu-es
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| 17:50 | <alkisg> You didn't write /join in front
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| 17:50 | type this:
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| 17:50 | /join #ubuntu-es
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| 17:50 | <dudaubuntu> thank you very much
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| 17:50 | <alkisg> No problem
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| 17:55 | <vagrantc> dudaubuntu: that is the spanish channel for ubuntu. i hope that's what you want.
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| 18:50 | <cryptrat> how do i set an ltsp kiosk user?
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| 19:03 | <vagrantc> cryptrat: the kiosk user is automatically created at run time
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| 19:03 | it's run on the client itself, and when you power of the client, it goes away.
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| 19:09 | <cryptrat> well i did alkisg said and set screen_07=kiosk and when i boot the client all i get is the error message no ltspkiosk user
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| 19:09 | that keeps repeating down the screen
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| 19:13 | <vagrantc> could you pastebin the output of "ltsp-info"?
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| 19:13 | !pastebin | echo cryptrat
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| 19:13 | <ltsp> cryptrat pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 19:54 | <vagrantc> huh
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| 19:55 | the fuse group went away?
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| 21:22 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 21:24 | ltspfs isn't working too well in newish distros
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| 21:36 | <cryptrat> http://pastebin.com/3gdQ8tZ3
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| 21:46 | <vagrantc> cryptrat: ah, the autocreation of users was introduced in a newer version of ltsp
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| 21:48 | seems to have been added in ltsp 5.4.1
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| 22:07 | <cryptrat> ah
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| 22:18 | i tried the LDM_AUTOLOGIN and that didn't work, so i guess i have to figure out how to create the ltspkiosk user
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| 22:27 | <vagrantc> i think there were instructions in the screen script comments.
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| 22:28 | i.e. /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/kiosk
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| 22:42 | <cryptrat> yeah there appears to be thanks
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| 22:52 | is the kiosk dependent on that script, then couldn't i just modify it to the user i want to use?
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| 23:10 | <vagrantc> cryptrat: you are free to do as you wish.
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| 23:22 | <cryptrat> now i have an odd error, i went to update the i386 image and get an error: skipping invalid chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 23:33 | <cryptrat> i think that i know what i did, i started following the ltsp web kiosk w/ chromium that has you create an image and use --purge-chroot... gues i shouldn't have don that
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| 23:41 | <cryptrat> well why that creates a new image, anyone familar with konica minolta printers?
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