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| 05:29 | <basti122303> i tray to boot a pxecleint but after loading /pxelinux.cfg/default it hangs -> syslog http://pastebin.com/m75b72784
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| 05:31 | <knipwim> you're sure pam is not the cause?
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| 05:36 | <basti122303> knipwim i dont know .. how can i check it ???? ... the server there the log is from ... i just a ldap cleint of an other ldap server there the clients works fine ...
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| 05:41 | <knipwim> so, you tested the initrd.img and vmlinuz on another server
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| 05:41 | your client is able to boot from them
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| 05:42 | <basti122303> knipwim they are from a server how is runing very well
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| 05:43 | <knipwim> does the syslog from the other server have those pam errors
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| 05:44 | <basti122303> knipwim i dont know wait
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| 07:13 | <garymc> HELLO! ;)
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| 07:15 | <garymc> Does anyone know how I need to set up UBUNTU Alertnate disk (All installed Great on SERVER) I want to unplug monitor and mouse and keyboard now and just have it running connected to the ethernet switch. do I need to do anything in my HP proliant Bios?
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| 07:15 | or do i just unplug monitor keyboard and mouse then log in from thin client BINGO?
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| 07:16 | whats happenin?
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| 07:16 | (ill be patient)
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| 07:17 | _UsUrPer_ Do you know ? ^^
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| 07:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> garymc: once you have your server running properly, you will be able to pull the monitor and leave it running
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| 07:31 | garymc: to ensure a boot, you may want to change "halt on errors" to "none"
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| 07:31 | in the BIOS
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| 07:31 | brb
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| 08:10 | <garymc> Hi I got disconnected beofr, so if anyone answered my question I missed it
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| 08:10 | *before
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| 08:13 | <garymc> anyone know how I sort the bios on a HP server so it dont need monito plugged in or keyboard etc?
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| 08:13 | anyone here?........................................................
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| 08:18 | <garymc> anyone know how I sort the bios on a HP server so it dont need monito plugged in or keyboard etc?
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| 08:33 | <garymc> Hi bieb
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| 08:34 | May I ask you a question?
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| 08:34 | <basti122303> does anyone know wath this mean: " eth0: link-changed 100MBit" and than the pxe-cleint hangs
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| 08:34 | <garymc> do know how I sort the bios on a HP server so it dont need monitor plugged in or keyboard etc? As iam having trouble finding the options on the BIOS control, or do I have to set something up on Ubuntu itself
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| 08:35 | <bieb> sure garymc
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| 08:36 | hmmmm
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| 08:37 | <Gadi> garymc: why would the BIOS control that?
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| 08:37 | <garymc> I dont know
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| 08:37 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 08:37 | <bieb> I dont know that you need to do anything.. other than not plug that stuff in
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| 08:37 | <garymc> I thought that was how it worked?
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| 08:37 | I didnt plug it in and I cant connect with the client
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| 08:37 | <Gadi> if you unplug the monitor keyboard and mouse, does the machine explode?
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| 08:37 | <garymc> yes in 10 second
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| 08:38 | <ball> Gadi: stranger things have happened ;-)
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| 08:38 | <Gadi> cool feature
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| 08:38 | <garymc> so what do i do
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| 08:38 | <Gadi> depends on what exactly you're trying to accomplish
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| 08:38 | <garymc> load it up with monitor in then unplug it all and just leave network slot connected
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| 08:38 | <Gadi> the BIOS can be set to say, turn on after power failure
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| 08:38 | or ignore errors of not having a keyboard plugged in
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| 08:39 | but that's about it
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| 08:39 | <garymc> this is a rack server im using
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| 08:39 | <Gadi> right
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| 08:39 | <garymc> i installed ubuntu Alternate LTSP last night
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| 08:39 | <Gadi> so, you prolly want: Halt on Errors set to none
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| 08:39 | <garymc> all worked fine
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| 08:39 | in the bios
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| 08:39 | i cant find an option like that
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| 08:39 | <ball> I tried to do that yesterday too.
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| 08:40 | <Gadi> when you boot the server with nothing plugged in, does it stop with an error?
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| 08:40 | <Gadi> boot the server with just a monitor plugged in
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| 08:40 | <garymc> i wouldnt know, there is nothing connected lol
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| 08:40 | <Gadi> and watch it
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| 08:40 | no BIOS in the world halts on not having a monitor plugged in
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| 08:40 | <bieb> just hook up monitor.. not keyboard or mouse
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| 08:40 | <garymc> just as a test
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| 08:41 | cos i dont want monitor
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| 08:41 | <bieb> yep
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| 08:41 | <garymc> trying now
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| 08:43 | <rjune_wrk> !g\
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| 08:43 | <ltspbot> rjune_wrk: Error: "g\" is not a valid command.
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| 08:43 | <rjune_wrk> !g
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| 08:43 | <ltspbot> rjune_wrk: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:43 | <garymc> right the main screen loads with the loging window
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| 08:44 | i will see if i can connect a thin client now
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| 08:44 | <ball> "loging window" == console?
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| 08:45 | <garymc> yes
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| 08:45 | not letting me boot into yet
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| 08:45 | ill try other comp
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| 08:47 | ok well my little viao loggs in, but my desktop viao wont work
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| 08:47 | so if i shut down unplug the monitor it should now work
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| 08:47 | i think
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| 08:48 | <ball> Are you using an analogue VGA connection, or DVI?
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| 08:50 | <garymc> god knows
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| 08:50 | it think its working now
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| 08:50 | * ball shrugs | |
| 08:50 | <bieb> probbaly vga.. its an older HP server
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| 08:51 | <ball> Ah okay.
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| 08:52 | Is DVI supposed to be hot swap too?
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| 08:52 | <bieb> it works on my PC
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| 08:52 | but it takes a couple seconds to re-recognize the monitor
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| 08:59 | <bieb> Gadi: got a question for ya
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| 09:00 | <Gadi> A: a woodchuck would chuck a lot of wood if a woodchuck could chuck wood
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| 09:01 | <bieb> Gadi: you dont have to build a second chroot to serve up local apps correct? I should just be able to add the LOCAL_APPS lines to the existing lts.conf right?
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| 09:01 | <Gadi> bieb: right - but you do need to install the apps into the chroot you've got
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| 09:01 | <bieb> well I hope that woodchucking woodchuck is paying his taxes and healthcare benefits.. :D
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| 09:01 | well FF is currently in the chroot
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| 09:01 | <Gadi> it is?
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| 09:02 | <bieb> right?
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| 09:02 | <Gadi> nope
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| 09:02 | not by default
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| 09:02 | unless you're using kiwi-ltsp
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| 09:02 | <bieb> ohh
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| 09:02 | nope ubuntu9.04
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| 09:02 | <Gadi> those guys dump a bunch of stuff in their default chroot, iirc
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| 09:02 | :)
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| 09:02 | its easy, though
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| 09:03 | <bieb> ok..
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| 09:15 | <garymc> Its working now, nice one bieb
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| 09:15 | and gadi
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| 09:15 | <bieb> good job garymc
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| 09:16 | <garymc> no thanks you ;)
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| 09:32 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 09:33 | <bieb> morning jammcq
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| 09:34 | jammcq: I was talking with Cliebow the other day, and asked what the dates for BTS are, and he said you would be the one to ask
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| 09:34 | so you have the dates??
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| 09:37 | <jammcq> bieb: wow, good timing
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| 09:38 | I just got off the phone with the guy from the Seawall motel. we're confirmed for Oct 22-25
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| 09:38 | it's 2 weeks earlier this year
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| 09:39 | <bieb> cool.. if this works out for me.. I will be going from BTS 10/22-25 to a conference in Chicago 10/25-27
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| 09:39 | <jammcq> ah, cool
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| 09:40 | <bieb> I would prefer BTS if I have to decide between the 2, but I am point of contact for the software of the other conference
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| 09:41 | <jammcq> well... hopefully it'll work out, and you can do both
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| 09:41 | on the 25th, we'll do a big breakfast, then everybody will head out
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| 09:42 | <bieb> I hope so
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| 09:50 | <CAN-o-SPAM> jammcq: are you going to put that on the wiki?
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| 09:51 | * CAN-o-SPAM notes that he can at some point next week | |
| 09:55 | <jammcq> yep, I was planning on it
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| 09:57 | <garymc> Hey anyone know how I get a terminal window up in ubuntu alternate ltsp when I login via a thin client?
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| 09:58 | i need to login as root to install apache , php and mysql etc
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| 10:00 | <jammcq> garymc: don't you have a terminal in the Applications->Accessories menu?
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| 10:03 | <garymc> i do
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| 10:03 | found it thanks
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| 10:03 | used to fedora in diff place
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| 10:03 | hey i put in what i thought was the admin password and it has just fobbed me off
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| 10:03 | how do i get to root?
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| 10:04 | <Blinny> Ubuntu doesn't enable the root account by default.
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| 10:04 | <garymc> so how do i get to root?
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| 10:04 | <Blinny> However, if you need an interactive root shell you can 'sudo -i' if your user is in the sudoers group.
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| 10:04 | <garymc> i could get to root in fedora 10
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| 10:04 | hmmm im not sure
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| 10:04 | <Blinny> garymc: Google is your friend here. All of these questions have been asked thousands of times before.
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| 10:05 | <garymc> yeah ha im root
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| 10:05 | thanks
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| 10:05 | sudo -i
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| 10:05 | <Blinny> Of course. Fedora and Ubuntu have differing approaches to security.
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| 10:05 | <garymc> ok does yum install work in ubuntu?
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| 10:06 | <bieb> no
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| 10:06 | apt-get is your friend
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| 10:06 | <Blinny> Ubuntu uses aptitude. 'Symantec Package Manager' in System->Administration is a GUI front-end.
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| 10:06 | <garymc> do i need to install yum?
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| 10:06 | <Blinny> bieb: apt-get is deprecated
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| 10:06 | <bieb> nope
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| 10:07 | <garymc> i wanna use root terminal
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| 10:07 | is that ok?
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| 10:07 | <bieb> Blinny: then what to use on ubuntu?
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| 10:07 | <Blinny> bieb: aptitude
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| 10:07 | <garymc> im setting up a server
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| 10:07 | now i want to add all the stuff I learnt to setup on fedora
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| 10:07 | took me a while to get it right, but yesterday was advised to use the ubuntu ltsp
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| 10:08 | <bieb> Blinny: command line?
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| 10:08 | <garymc> so its a little differnt
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| 10:08 | <Blinny> garymc: Sure. How about this: First hit from google 'ubuntu aptitude': https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide is a good resource.
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| 10:08 | <garymc> so bieb: if i want to install httpd i would type in root shell
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| 10:08 | <Blinny> aptitude install apache2
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| 10:08 | <garymc> apt-get install httpd
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| 10:09 | right im well confused
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| 10:09 | <Blinny> bieb: Yes. aptitude is the command-line replacement for apt-get
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| 10:09 | <bieb> Blinny: cool.. thanks
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| 10:09 | <Blinny> garymc: Ubuntu has different package names. 'http' is a protocol. 'apache2' is a piece of software.
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| 10:10 | <garymc> im setting up an intranet web server
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| 10:10 | <Blinny> garymc: As such, ubuntu names its 'apache version 2' package 'apache2', where Fedora names it 'httpd'
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| 10:10 | <garymc> ahh ok
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| 10:10 | <Blinny> garymc: You may get more answers in #ubuntu
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| 10:10 | <garymc> ok thanks
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| 10:10 | <Blinny> But seriously, if you ask every question here it will take a lot more time than just googling or reading an ubuntu sysadmin manual.
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| 10:11 | bieb: No worries.
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| 10:11 | <CAN-o-SPAM> jammcq: Let me know when you get BTS up on the wiki, i will post it up on the LinkedIn group and on the Diskless Website
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| 10:11 | <garymc> well on fedora i had to type service httpd start, do i have to do that on here?
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| 10:11 | or is that differnt
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| 10:12 | <Blinny> Different :)
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| 10:12 | <garymc> i spent all week getting it right for fedora have i got to re learn again?
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| 10:13 | <Blinny> The init scripts are in /etc/init.d -- do '/etc/init.d/apache2 start'
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| 10:13 | <bieb> not a full relearn.. just learning new words to do same thing
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| 10:13 | <garymc> so there is no chkconfig either?
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| 10:13 | <Blinny> garymc: It's called 'update-rc.d'
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| 10:14 | <garymc> damn i wrote all the stuff out i needed to type to make it work now it dont work again ;(
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| 10:14 | <Blinny> I use a nice perl front-end called sysv-rc-conf you can get it by 'aptitude install sysv-rc-conf'
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| 10:14 | Here's a good article: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
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| 10:14 | <Blinny> garymc: You wrote down how to drive a car. Now you're on a motorcycle. Things are different.
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| 10:15 | <garymc> yeah, now my head is proper smashed in
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| 10:15 | <Blinny> But, the underlying idea is the same. The idea is what you should be learning.
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| 10:15 | G'luck. GIYF.
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| 10:18 | <IBC_jkenney> Good morning everyone. I am a little stuck i am attempting to create system wide profile for "employees" so they all have access to the same applications. However when I try to use Sabayon it crashes
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| 10:19 | My question is how can do this manually if I need to or is there another tool like a web based one
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| 10:21 | <Blinny> IBC_jkenney: If you're fed up with Sabayon (and I understand why) you can do it manually by creating a single user, setting everything you want for that user, and then copying the settings into each user's home directory (perhaps with ug-w permissions)
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| 10:21 | IBC_jkenney: As far as I know, there's no easy way to do that. Others may have better methods.. if you find one, please document it!
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| 10:22 | sabayon has such potential but I've never been successful with it.
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| 10:22 | (there's also pessulus that may be helpful to you)
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| 10:23 | <IBC_jkenney> I will try pessulus thank you and i will resort to the other if i have to
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| 10:26 | Where can I find a good howto if i want to edit manually
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| 10:46 | <_UsUrPeR_> !seen sbalneav
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| 10:46 | <ltspbot> _UsUrPeR_: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 44 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <sbalneav> From what otavio was talking to us about in Brazil, I think he's using openembedded.
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| 10:53 | <johnny> IBC_jkenney, there is a fixed sabayon in sbalneav's ppa
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| 12:02 | <IBC_jkenney> johnny the fix didn't work
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| 12:02 | it still crashes
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| 12:03 | <johnny> you're using his ppa?
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| 12:04 | not the one in the repository
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| 12:05 | <IBC_jkenney> correct
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| 12:05 | I added his ppa
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| 12:05 | as instructed
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| 12:27 | <jammcq> CAN-o-SPAM: ok, preliminary info is up on the wiki for BTS
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| 12:27 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2009
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| 12:28 | <johnny> IBC_jkenney, guess you'll have to talk to him.. i thought he had that crasher fixed
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| 12:30 | <Lns> omgltspbts!! =)
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| 12:30 | * Lns wants to go | |
| 12:31 | <jammcq> Lns: ok, sign up
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| 12:31 | <Lns> k
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| 12:31 | do i just edit the wiki page?
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| 12:32 | <jammcq> yes, you can
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| 12:38 | <deathtech> Vagrantc and bieb , thank you for your help, installing from the ubuntu CD vs Xubuntu resolved the chroot error, and im now fully functional, i do have one question though, what do you guys do for remote management ? can you setup VNC so that each thin client can have its own session ?
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| 12:41 | <Blinny> deathtech: FYI I use iTalc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc
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| 12:42 | <deathtech> very cool, thanks Blinny
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| 12:42 | <Blinny> No worries. One or two clicks and I'm watching all the screens on my subnet.
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| 13:04 | <Lns> Anyone planning on renting a car from BGR to Seawall Motel and want to split costs?
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| 13:33 | <IBC_jkenney> I have a new problem now i see that the thin clients are running their sessions as root when they are supposed to be running as the authenticated user
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| 13:33 | i have ldap and ldap userid auths but when i look the processes i see root
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| 13:34 | <johnny> running their sessions as root where?
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| 13:34 | <ball> IBC_jkenney: ouch.
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| 13:34 | <johnny> on the terminals themselves?
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| 13:34 | i don't see how they could run as root on your server.. as they don't know the root password
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| 13:34 | X itself does run as root tho..
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| 13:34 | for now..
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| 13:34 | <ball> johnny: perhaps they just guessed it.
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| 13:35 | ;-)
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| 13:36 | I just noticed another machine that I should test as an ltsp terminal
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| 13:39 | Need to get this server working first though.
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| 13:39 | johnny: The X server runs as root on the terminals?
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| 13:40 | <johnny> there's no other user
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| 13:40 | <johnny> X still runs as root everywhere
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| 13:40 | do this on your computer
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| 13:41 | ps aux | grep '^X'
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| 13:42 | <ball> johnny: I'm not near an LTSP terminal
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| 13:42 | <johnny> no.. on your own machine
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| 13:42 | <ball> johnny: On the server?
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| 13:42 | <johnny> sure.. if X is running there
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| 13:43 | <ball> It isn't
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| 13:43 | <johnny> well X runs as root
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| 13:43 | <ball> ok
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| 13:43 | <johnny> normally
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| 13:43 | it needs to
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| 13:43 | <ball> istr that's why "insecure" was needed as a kernel option in NetBSD
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| 13:43 | <johnny> at least for now
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| 13:43 | the future is lower privileges.. but it's just not possible yet
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| 13:43 | <ball> Is that something X.org are working on?
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| 13:44 | <johnny> yes.. by moving graphics stuff into the kernel
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| 13:44 | getting closer by the day
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| 13:45 | when the drivers for all popular chips are in the kernel at a good quality level
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| 13:45 | <ball> What's going in there? The driver?
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| 13:45 | ...the whole X server? :-)
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| 13:45 | <johnny> the drivers
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| 13:45 | <ball> Ah okay.
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| 13:45 | That might make sense.
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| 13:45 | <johnny> sometime over the next year i hope
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| 13:46 | intel and ati are moving forward
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| 13:46 | and nvidia's driver has already removed the calls that require root
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| 13:47 | <ball> johnny: is that also true for the open source nVidia driver?
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| 13:47 | <johnny> yes.. that is moving forward too
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| 13:47 | but slower
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| 13:48 | i still don't have kernel mode setting support for my chip
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| 13:48 | nv34
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| 13:48 | it's kinda old
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| 13:48 | intel and ati are doing a better job at that
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| 13:48 | since they actually have specs and whatnot
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| 13:49 | <ball> Docs are a Good Thing
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| 14:00 | <ball> So ATI release programming docs for their hardware?
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| 14:03 | ...or just for their older chips?
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| 14:14 | <uscamayta> iTALC
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| 14:15 | <uscamayta> iTALC & LTSP ? questions
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| 14:15 | help me
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| 14:15 | * ball doesn't know what an iTALC is | |
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| 14:34 | <bieb> italc https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc
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| 14:53 | <denisesballs> i noticed on ubuntu 8.04 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/default -> /etc/alternatives/ldm-theme is a broken symlink
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| 14:53 | /etc/alternatives/ldm-theme does not exist
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| 14:54 | <Blinny> but /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/alternatives/ldm-theme does
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| 14:55 | The link points to the /etc/alternatives/ldm-theme inside the chroot
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| 15:13 | <denisesballs> Blinny: im not sure which link i should actually change
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| 15:16 | i tried pointing /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/alternatives/ldm-theme at edubuntu instead and that didnt work
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| 15:31 | ok, guess i will try ltsp-build-client
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| 15:42 | <denisesballs> ok that did not do it
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| 15:50 | <denisesballs> the way this describes also does not work - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
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| 15:59 | <atomic007za> hi
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| 16:00 | <denisesballs> ok it was ltsp-update-image...
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| 16:01 | <atomic007za> Is it normal when installing a ubuntu lts server that when the PC creats the first client image, during the install that it comes up with an error?
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| 16:28 | <johnny> atomic007za, you'd have to tell us the error i guess
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| 17:04 | <the_fronny> I need to support a tone of pentium I HP Vectras with onboard video. They currently run something like SuSE-8.2 and ltsp-3. Could these run any kind of ltsp5 distro? I've tried but can't get video, the 2.6 kernel I'm guessing.
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| 17:16 | <the_fronny> I should have mentioned these boxes have 32 to 48MB or RAM. When I first tried and got a black screen (the dhcp kernel download worked fine) and got a black screen I figured it was because the client's onboard video was no longer supported, or that there was not enough memory for the client environment.
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| 17:40 | <johnny> the_fronny, unlikely
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| 17:40 | freegeek doesn't even take p1s anymore..
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| 17:53 | <pulga> i am using ubuntu 8,04 and iam trying to upgrade to 8,10
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| 17:53 | but the instructions are not working
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| 17:54 | sudo do-release-upgrade
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| 17:55 | i think ltsp will upgrade too
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| 17:55 | after ltsp-build-client
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| 19:56 | <jammcq> hey friends
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