IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 16 March 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:43 | <sbalneav> jammcq: ping
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| 02:42 | <jammcq> sbalneav: pong
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| 02:52 | <sbalneav> hey
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| 02:53 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnL47bbFN68
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| 03:04 | <jammcq> sbalneav: watching now
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| 03:10 | <sbalneav> How bad is it? :(
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| 03:11 | <jammcq> it's pretty freaking awesome
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| 03:11 | what kind of camera did you use?
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| 03:14 | <sbalneav> Just my phone
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| 03:14 | <jammcq> wow, looks pretty good
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| 03:15 | <sbalneav> I'll write up some blog posts tomorrow.
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| 03:20 | <jammcq> cool.
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| 03:20 | i'm heading to bed. awesome job on the hackfest this week!
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| 03:30 | <zdgffdgz> hello , Note that things like sound and local device support are auto-enabled if the
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| 03:30 | corresponding packages are installed, there is no need to manually set these
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| 03:30 | options anymore.
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| 03:31 | I have no sound on the client. running ltsp 5.
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| 03:31 | What are the corresponding packages?
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| 03:33 | 5.2.4-2 debian squeeze
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| 03:43 | <sbalneav> Could be that the thin client's not detecting the sound card.
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| 03:43 | <zdgffdgz> thin client plays on the server
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| 03:44 | beep on client also plays on server
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| 03:47 | I also have a problem with a local USB device on the client. How do I mount such device?
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| 03:49 | <sbalneav> We'll need some more information.
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| 03:49 | 1) What desktop are you using?
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| 03:49 | 2) How did you build the chroot
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| 03:50 | 3) What kind of thin client is it?
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| 03:52 | <zdgffdgz> 1] fluxbox 2] ltsp-build-client --arch i386 3] hp thin client
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| 03:55 | <sbalneav> Ok, well, that explains it.
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| 03:56 | <zdgffdgz> ?
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| 03:56 | <sbalneav> fluxbox doesn't do sound forwarding, and doesn't pop up icons on the desktop like gnome, kde, etc.
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| 03:56 | <zdgffdgz> understood
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| 03:57 | No way with fluxbox, as I like fluxbox?
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| 03:58 | How about mounting an USB device on the client?
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| 03:58 | <sbalneav> should be mounting. Check in /media
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| 03:59 | <zdgffdgz> nothing in media
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| 04:00 | it's vfat
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| 04:01 | <sbalneav> Something's broken then. I used to have a whole page up on the wiki showing how to debug, but it's gone now. Not sure.
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| 04:02 | My advice would be to run the gnome2 desktop, see if it mounts with that. If it does, then it's fluxbox related, if not, then there's a deeper problem.
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| 04:03 | <zdgffdgz> I"ll give kde a try, tomorrow, thank!
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| 04:03 | <sbalneav> np
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| 04:34 | <zdgffdgz> So I installed kde, I did not like what I saw, and removed it again. Back to fluxbox
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| 04:46 | <sbalneav> Did you test if the usb sticks and sound worked?
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| 04:46 | <zdgffdgz> No I did not check, I hate kde
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| 04:48 | I couldn't find my favorite xterm, no sound player
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| 04:48 | kde's menu is a disaster, like M$
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| 04:49 | <sbalneav> I didn't ask you to install it to see if you liked kde, I asked you to do so to determine whether the problem was related to fluxbox, or another problem.
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| 04:50 | Well, anyway, heading to bed.
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| 04:50 | <zdgffdgz> I will try it another time, perhaps tomorrow.
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| 04:57 | <zdgffdgz> hello vagrantc, do you know if fluxbox supports local sound and storage(USB)?
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| 05:00 | <vagrantc> zdgffdgz: ltspfs is essentially desktop-independent ... but some desktops make it more obvious with icons on the desktop.
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| 05:01 | zdgffdgz: but as long as you're looking in /media/USERNAME/DEVICE you should be able to access your files no matter what desktop you're running.
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| 05:02 | zdgffdgz: similar for sound- you may need to configure alsa to redirect to pulse if running on the LTSP client
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| 05:05 | <zdgffdgz> There is no /media/USERNAME on the thin client
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| 05:05 | <vagrantc> are there devices plugged in?
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| 05:06 | <zdgffdgz> yes, also local disc is not there
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| 05:06 | <vagrantc> local disk will not be there unless you explicitly allow local disks
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| 05:06 | <zdgffdgz> in lts.conf?
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| 05:07 | <vagrantc> zdgffdgz: so what sort of devices do you have plugged in?
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| 05:08 | <zdgffdgz> in my /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf I have [default] LTSP_CONFIG=True SOUND=True LOCALDEV=True
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| 05:09 | USB 64Gb usb-stick
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| 05:09 | <vagrantc> in general USB sticks should show up ... but some prove to be fussy.
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| 05:10 | <zdgffdgz> I tried another one 2 Gb, nodifference
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| 05:11 | <vagrantc> is the user in the fuse group?
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| 05:11 | groups | grep fuse
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| 05:12 | <zdgffdgz> no
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| 05:13 | <vagrantc> they need to be in the fuse group... ltspfs is a fuse-based filesystem.
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| 05:14 | Enslaver: is your mail from March 1st generally enough to try ltsp on centos?
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| 05:27 | <zdgffdgz> usermod -g fuse USERNAME doesn't change that
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| 05:28 | <vagrantc> zdgffdgz: adduser USERNAME fuse
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| 05:28 | that's why i use
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| 05:28 | you would also have to logout and log back in again for it to work
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| 05:30 | zdgffdgz: are you saying they weren't added to the fuse group, or adding them to the fuse group didn't help?
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| 05:30 | or unsure? :)
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| 05:33 | <zdgffdgz> I rebooted the client and now /media/USERNAME shows up
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| 05:33 | in it there's a dead link? ?usbdisk-sdc1
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| 05:34 | So I made some progress
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| 05:35 | <vagrantc> a link?
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| 05:35 | like, a symlink?
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| 05:36 | <zdgffdgz> ?usbdisk-sdc1 red colored
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| 05:36 | <vagrantc> zdgffdgz: and the user is now in the fuse group?
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| 05:36 | zdgffdgz: ls -l /media/USERNAME
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| 05:37 | <zdgffdgz> d?????? ? ? ? ? ?usbdisk-sdc1
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| 05:38 | <vagrantc> that's a messed up fuse mount... hrm.
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| 05:38 | i've seen that before ... rebooting the server cleared it up...
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| 05:39 | <zdgffdgz> OK rebooting the server
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| 05:41 | <zdgffdgz> back up
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| 05:44 | media/USERNAME/usbdisk-sdc1 is now an empty directory
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| 05:46 | I put in another USB-stick, brings me back to the red colored ?links
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| 05:49 | rebooted the client, now it works!!!
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| 05:52 | next problem: no sound
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| 05:52 | command beep on client beeps on server, system beeps on client
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| 05:53 | <vagrantc> zdgffdgz: this is on debian?
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| 05:54 | <zdgffdgz> yep, squeeze up to date
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| 05:55 | <vagrantc> zdgffdgz: have you followed the instructions in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README*sound ?
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| 05:55 | <zdgffdgz> no
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| 05:56 | <vagrantc> zdgffdgz: that's your next project :)
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| 05:56 | * vagrantc waves to alkisg | |
| 05:56 | <alkisg> Hi vagrantc, hi all
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| 06:11 | <vnc786> question : by default usb is disable or need some parameter in lts.conf ? right now i have nothing in lts.conf but at fat clients are getting usb access
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| 06:12 | <zdgffdgz> apt-get install libasound2-plugins
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| 06:12 | and now the rest ;-)
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| 06:12 | <vagrantc> vnc786: usb storage devices should be supported
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| 06:13 | though in theory, fat clients could use more conventional means to get device access.
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| 06:15 | vnc786: user needs to be in the fuse group for localdev (ltspfs) to work
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| 06:15 | <alkisg> They do; fat clients don't use ltspfs to access the local devices
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| 06:16 | Normal fat client users get access to all external devices without being in the fuse group,
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| 06:16 | and sudoers also get access to internal devices like local hard disks
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| 06:17 | Access can be customized by policykit, the same as in local installations
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| 06:18 | (and we could add lts.conf support for policykit modifications...)
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| 06:28 | <vnc786> LOCALDEV_DENY_USB=True will make not provide access to usb on fat clients ? am i right
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| 06:29 | <zdgffdgz> getting sound on thin client is no easy task
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| 06:29 | <vagrantc> vnc786: like alkisg said, the LOCALDEV support isn't used by fatclients.
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| 06:29 | zdgffdgz: depends on the client.
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| 06:30 | <vnc786> vagrantc: i m trying to disable access for fat clients so how do i do..?
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| 06:30 | <zdgffdgz> getting local storage work even needed reboot of server ;-)
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| 06:31 | <vagrantc> vnc786: just like you would for a disked computer
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| 06:31 | zdgffdgz: some of those reboots might have been avoidable... but sometimes it's just easiest to reset it.
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| 06:32 | vnc786: you could blacklist the usb_storage module ... a bit brute-force ...
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| 06:35 | <vnc786> is there a way using lts.conf file ?
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| 06:37 | <vagrantc> don't know off the top of my head
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| 06:40 | <vagrantc> keep the hackfest hacking!
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| 06:45 | <vnc786> i just put LOCALDEV_DENY_USB=True in lts.conf ..though it will work but no it's not....
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| 06:53 | <zdgffdgz> vnc786 have you got sound on the fat client?
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| 06:58 | <vnc786> zdgffdgz: yes i got sound thru 3.5mm jack headphone
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| 06:59 | <zdgffdgz> I am trying to get sound on my THIN client
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| 06:59 | Perhaps you can help me setting it up
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| 07:01 | <vnc786> so u r not getting sound on fatclients or thinclients ?
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| 07:02 | <zdgffdgz> thin
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| 07:03 | I've got local storage (USB)
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| 07:03 | on the thin client
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| 07:08 | <vnc786> and have u tried using sound parameter in lts.conf ?
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| 07:23 | <zdgffdgz> I have SOUND=True under [default]
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| 07:25 | <zdgffdgz> vnc786 Is it worthwhile to change from FAT to THIN client? I have 100MHz 2Gb RAM thin client.
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| 07:26 | 1000MHz ! GHz, sorry
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| 07:28 | <warren> 2Gb RAM is 250MB of RAM
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| 07:40 | <zdgffdgz> 2GB
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| 07:52 | <zdgffdgz> for sound, what has to be installed/changed on the server, and what on the thin client?
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| 08:05 | <Hyperbyte> zdgffdgz, what distro/version?
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| 08:09 | <zdgffdgz> Hyperbyte, decian squeeze
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| 08:09 | 5.2.4
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| 08:12 | nicest thing to do is have mpd running on the client.
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| 08:23 | would be
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| 08:25 | <Hyperbyte> mpd?
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| 08:25 | Oh
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| 08:25 | I'm not sure why.
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| 08:26 | By default, LTSP sends all audio from thin client desktop applications to the client's audio hardware, using pulseaudio
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| 08:26 | It should work out of the box, not sure about Debian Squeeze specifically though.
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| 08:29 | <zdgffdgz> mpd can be controlled by any PC, Android device . . .
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| 08:30 | LTSP does't work out of the box on debian squeeze
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| 08:32 | I had trouble with local access to USB-storage, now solved, Next project: audio. . .
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| 08:38 | <zdgffdgz_> debian squeeze
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| 08:40 | <Hyperbyte> Like I said, LTSP uses pluseaudio.
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| 08:41 | It should work.
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| 08:43 | <zdgffdgz> I have pulseaudio on server and client, doesn't work out of the box
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| 08:44 | <alkisg> Is this your first LTSP setup?
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| 08:45 | <zdgffdgz> My first setup was 15 years ago.
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| 08:46 | <alkisg> LTSP didn't exist 15 years ago
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| 08:46 | <zdgffdgz> 14
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| 08:47 | <alkisg> OK, anyways, so I assume you're experienced with LTSP... have you ever set up LTSP 5 before?
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| 08:48 | <zdgffdgz> yes, without sound
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| 08:48 | <alkisg> And always in debian squeeze?
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| 08:48 | <zdgffdgz> yes
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| 08:49 | <alkisg> OK. I'd suggest you try another installation with squeeze, backports, and LXDE
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| 08:49 | That one should work out of the box
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| 08:49 | <zdgffdgz> 14 years ago I even tried susu
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| 08:49 | <alkisg> And then you can compare what runs and whatnot, to troubleshoot your fluxbox one
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| 08:50 | <zdgffdgz> I have backports, fluxbox, is this aproblem?
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| 08:50 | <alkisg> Yes, fluxbox is a problem, the problem being that I haven't heard anyone using it with ltsp
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| 08:50 | <zdgffdgz> OK I'll try LCDE
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| 08:50 | <alkisg> So it's not widely tested, troubleshooted etc
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| 08:51 | <zdgffdgz> lxde being installed
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| 08:51 | <alkisg> With susu you mean suse?
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| 08:56 | <zdgffdgz> rebooted lxdl
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| 08:56 | sound works!!!!!!!!
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| 08:56 | But is this possible on fluxbox?
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| 08:58 | <alkisg> It should be, but it's up to you to locate the problems, fix them, and then send patches to ltsp :)
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| 08:58 | <zdgffdgz> hahaha
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| 08:58 | <alkisg> Try also sending mails to the ltsp-discuss ML, maybe someone has used fluxbox and has the solution
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| 08:59 | And of course you can file bug reports...
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| 08:59 | !ltsp-bug
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| 08:59 | <ltsp> ltsp-bug: To file a bug report for upstream LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp
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| 09:00 | <zdgffdgz> bug: it doesn't work out of the box;-)
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| 09:00 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 09:00 | I'm sure it doesn't work out of the box in 99% of the desktop environments
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| 09:00 | As they are hundreds of them
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| 09:00 | <zdgffdgz> ok
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| 09:21 | <vnc786> i m trying to disable usb access for fat clients so how do i do..? any work around in lts.conf other than blacklisting module
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| 09:24 | <zdgffdgz> I don't like the menu of lxde
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| 09:24 | so back to fluxbox
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| 10:02 | <zdgffdgz> reboot
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| 11:38 | <vnc786> i got one backup img of chroot. fat clients are getting image from /opt/ltsp/ubuntu64bit/64bit/images/amd64.img ..which is define in /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/lsp_amd64 now....i change the path to backup img path but i
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| 11:41 | change path in ltsp_amd64.conf will it take that backup img...
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| 11:42 | right now it is taking actual image only
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