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01:06 | <MetztliXictli> http://compuevolucion.cymaho.com/linux.png
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02:05 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> hi is there a list of people using ltsp?
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02:32 | <MetztliXictli> yes
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02:32 | we all use ltsp
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06:14 | <IRCzito> I can follow http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/CustomLtspKernels to make Custom kernel for ltsp5??
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06:36 | <sep> IRCzito, not realy
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06:37 | just chroot into your ltsp dir (/opt/ltsp/i386
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06:37 | and do your kenel in there as the usualy instructions for your distribution
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06:37 | then use ltsp-update-kernels
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06:51 | <davidj> Good morning, all.
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06:52 | * davidj is just lurking ATM | |
06:52 | <IRCzito> sep: hummm ok
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06:52 | sep: thanks
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06:54 | <ogra> IRCzito, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild install the resulting package in the chroot and as sep said, run ltsp-update-kernels outside the chroot
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06:55 | <ogra> IRCzito, if you use ltsp5 with debian there should be a similar howto ...
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07:03 | <sep> IRCzito, i just used a kernel from backports.org on debian.
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07:11 | <envite> hello all from Spain
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07:16 | <davidj> envite: Hello from US
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07:21 | <envite> Hello davidj
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07:24 | <davidj> jammcq: good morning.
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07:25 | <jammcq> davidj: hey, how ya doin?
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07:26 | <davidj> Not bad
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07:26 | You?
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07:26 | envite: Where are you in Spain?
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07:26 | <envite> davidj: Canary Islands
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07:27 | <jammcq> hmm, that's almost spain, eh?
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07:27 | <envite> jammcq: Canary Islands is Spain in the same sense that Madrid is
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07:27 | <davidj> I've got a great friend who's from the Canarias. He lives in Castellon now..
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07:28 | jammcq: Quit yanking envite's chain ;-)
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07:28 | envite: jammcq te est'a tomando el pelo
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07:28 | <envite> nah :)
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07:28 | <jammcq> envite: cool
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07:29 | <davidj> Hmm, my keyboard layout hotkey isn't working. Wonder why?
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07:31 | <envite> davidj: about your keyboard, are you talking about X or console?
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07:31 | <davidj> console
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07:31 | I had it working a while back, but not now.
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07:32 | <envite> huh, I've never fixed that in console
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07:32 | <davidj> I've been tinkering a lot on this machine.
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07:33 | <bip> hello ...
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07:33 | <davidj> It still works manually, though
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07:33 | <bip> i was here yesterday with an other nick
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07:33 | discussing the possibility of usingg etherboot for PC cards
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07:39 | <bip> now i have checked and i see no reason why an etherboot floppy cannot be built ...
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07:40 | but once i manage to get etherboot working will the kernel of ltsp 4.2 work with such setup ?
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07:40 | <jammcq> bip: what kind of card?
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07:40 | <bip> it s a 32 bit pc card jammcq
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07:41 | <jammcq> good luck with that
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07:41 | <bip> not sure about chipset ...
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07:41 | ok
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07:41 | but am i right eherboot wil work
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07:41 | <jammcq> why do you think it'll work?
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07:41 | <bip> then the ltsp kernel will panic right jammcq ?
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07:41 | well
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07:41 | i was reading the docs today and i didn t see any reason it should t work
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07:42 | beside today a colleague told me on the phone that he thinks thos cards r usually seen as pci card by the kernel
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07:42 | but hey we could surely be both wrong jammcq
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07:42 | <jammcq> once the pci-pcmcia bridge is up and running
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07:43 | <bip> i dont have the card here now so i cant do much further testing
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07:43 | and etherbot has issues with that bridge jammcq ?
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07:43 | or is ltsp having issue ?
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07:43 | i m trying to understand the problem now
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07:44 | first i need to undertsand then fix or maybe just skip ;-)
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07:47 | is etherboot working with pci-pcmcia bridge jammcq ?
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07:47 | or it does not ?
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07:47 | <jammcq> there is very minimal support for that
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07:47 | <bip> mmm
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07:47 | ok
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07:47 | <jammcq> go to the #etherboot channel and ask mdc or anselm
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07:48 | <bip> ok
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07:48 | thanx for the hint
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07:48 | :)
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07:48 | everybody is always nice and helpful here :)
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07:49 | <envite> bip: no, I'm almost always a bad bug here ;)
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07:50 | <bip> well i m a bastard too
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07:50 | but not here ;-)
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08:04 | <davidj> jammcq: I just ran across a package called cachefilesd. Have you heard of it?
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08:11 | <jammcq> davidj: haven't seen it. what does it do?
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08:12 | <davidj> cache nfs locally on disk
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08:12 | <jammcq> hmm
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08:13 | <davidj> That was my response ;-)
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08:13 | Most ltsp terminals don't have disks, but in large networks it might be interesting.
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08:13 | <jammcq> i'm just thinking there's a tradeoff between nfs speed and memory usage
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08:14 | <davidj> I haven't played with it to see how much memory it needs.
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08:14 | <jammcq> well, it's gonna need as much as it caches
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08:15 | i'd imagine you could tune how large the cache is, and it would throw away old things in the cache, if it got full
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08:15 | <davidj> docs say it hooks the kernel's file cache cleanup routine so that it copies files to disk instead of dumping them.
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08:16 | <jammcq> "disk" ?
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08:16 | <davidj> disk
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08:16 | <jammcq> we don't have no stinking disks
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08:16 | <davidj> heh
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08:16 | They are useful on memory-limitted terminals
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08:16 | <jammcq> to some people
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08:16 | <davidj> I've been using them for swap
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08:17 | <jammcq> I prefer to get rid of all moving parts
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08:17 | moving parts are a liability
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08:17 | <davidj> Me, too, as an ideal, but in some cases it's more expedient to leave the disk in and use it.
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08:28 | <bip> jammcq, ok i spoke with mdc
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08:28 | and we decided that booting from local disk is the better option
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08:28 | <jammcq> :)
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08:29 | <bip> now i have a question
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08:29 | can i boot from local media while still enjoyn all the remote server power jammcq ?
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08:29 | <jammcq> sure
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08:30 | <bip> and do u know if this sort of setup has been already documented somewhere ?
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08:30 | i m sure i m not the first one to do this
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08:30 | i will chek the wiki now ...
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08:30 | <envite> that is not really ltsp
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08:30 | <bip> it s not ?
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08:30 | why ?
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08:30 | <envite> but it is easier to do ;)
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08:30 | <jammcq> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/BootingFromLocalDevice
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08:30 | <bip> thanc jammcq :)
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08:31 | this is exactly what i needed :)
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08:31 | <envite> most ltsp problems for starters are for kernel and nfs passing
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08:31 | in local booting you can avoid that
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08:31 | <bip> well i m not really a suysadmin either envite ;-)
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08:32 | <envite> don't worry, nobody's perfect ;) I can't understand common english speech
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08:34 | <davidj> envite: Don't feel bad, I can't understand common whistled Canario ;-)
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08:35 | <envite> jajajajajajajajajaj
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08:37 | <bip> ok i have this setup
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08:38 | <bip> i have a perfectly working ltsp server into a vmware machine
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08:38 | if tell my laptop to netboot it will boot from that server
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08:41 | now i d love to trick that same laptop into using the pendrive instead
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08:41 | just to understand the concept of botting ltsp from local device
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08:50 | does standard ltsp kernel support PCMCIA ?
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08:51 | if i boot from cd can i use stock ltsp kernel jammcq ?
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08:54 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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08:55 | !seen ogra
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08:55 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 1 hour, 59 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <ogra> IRCzito, if you use ltsp5 with debian there should be a similar howto ...
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08:55 | <jammcq> Scotty SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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08:55 | <sbalneav> hey jammcq
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08:57 | <bip> does standard ltsp kernel support PCMCIA ?
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10:03 | <Tarcisio> algum brasileiro no canal
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10:14 | <Tarcisio> nenhum brasileiro
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10:14 | ou fale portugues
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10:14 | <bip> ok to do what i need to do i need to use LBE
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10:15 | not bein a developer a need some gentle pokin in the right direction .
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10:15 | in folllowing this howto:
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10:15 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/BootingFromLocalDevice
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10:16 | when it says :
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10:16 | Create a kernel source tree:
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10:16 | <sbalneav> Are you trying to boot from a PCMCIA
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10:16 | <bip> no i m not
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10:16 | iim bypassing that sbalneav
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10:17 | i wanna boot from cd
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10:17 | <bip> but apparently to boot from a local device i need to buil my own custom kernel sbalneav
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10:17 | i collected some docs
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10:18 | but some of the thing needs a tad of clarification
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10:18 | for example when they say buil a kernel tre a wonder what r they tryin to say exactly ?
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10:18 | something like get the kernel tarbal anbd untar it into a dir ?
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10:19 | why they dont just say that ? ;-)
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10:19 | i can understadn that
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10:19 | but what means build the kernle tree ?
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10:19 | if i sound dumb ...
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10:19 | it is becaus ei m dumb
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10:19 | <sbalneav> It means what you just said.
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10:20 | <bip> ok
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10:20 | <sbalneav> But why boot off of a cd?
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10:20 | <bip> well
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10:20 | because i cant boot from network
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10:20 | <sbalneav> Why not?
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10:20 | <bip> what should i boot from sbalneav ?
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10:20 | because it s a pc card and a old laptop
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10:21 | <sbalneav> So it's a PCMCIA network card?
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10:21 | <bip> so etherboot doesnt support it
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10:21 | yes
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10:21 | and the bios doesnt include booting from network at all
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10:21 | <sbalneav> heh, I asked you above if you were trying to boot from a PCMCIA card.
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10:21 | you said no
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10:21 | <bip> sorry i was confused
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10:22 | i thought u were askin me if i was tryin to boot from that card
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10:22 | and since i decided i cvan t
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10:22 | now i m not tryin to boot from that card sbalneav
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10:22 | i have apc card
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10:22 | i d lve to boot from it
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10:22 | but since it isnt possible i m tryin to figure a workaround
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10:22 | <sbalneav> a pc card? You mean, like a PCI based card? How'd you get that in a laptop
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10:23 | <bip> no no
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10:23 | a PCMCIA card
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10:23 | i said pc
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10:23 | <sbalneav> ah, ok, same card.
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10:23 | <bip> because i am lazy
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10:23 | yeah same card
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10:23 | it s a old useless laptop
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10:23 | k6
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10:23 | small hd
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10:23 | lil ram
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10:23 | useless
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10:23 | but it s tiny
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10:23 | <sbalneav> So why not do this.
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10:23 | <bip> so it would be a nice thin client
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10:23 | <sbalneav> 1) install debian basic
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10:24 | <bip> wait i need to preserve the hd content
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10:24 | <sbalneav> 2) change the X startup to do a X -query <serverip>
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10:24 | <Lumiere> change 1 to install debian basic on a 2G usb key
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10:25 | <bip> so i coulld install debian basic only if i could fit it into a very smal slice of the hd
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10:25 | <Lumiere> and you can still do the same thing
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10:25 | <sbalneav> That too.
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10:25 | <bip> wait
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10:25 | this old sucker can t boot from usb
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10:25 | <Lumiere> well boo
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10:25 | <bip> and if it has usb it s very slow usb
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10:25 | <Lumiere> you don't care how fast the USB is
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10:25 | <bip> ok
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10:25 | but it doesbt certanly boot from usb
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10:26 | so even if it has a usb port
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10:26 | <Lumiere> what os is it using?
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10:26 | <bip> it ha winows xp now
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10:26 | but runs slows as hell
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10:26 | <Lumiere> bleh
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10:26 | <sbalneav> bip: the 4.2 series of LTSP is essentially unsupported now. Here's another option
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10:26 | <bip> so i m talkin em into turnin it into a linux diskless terminal now
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10:26 | <sbalneav> boot a knoppix cd, and customize it to do an X -query <serverip>
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10:27 | <bip> well i have already a up and running 4.2 server sbalneav
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10:27 | so it would be nice if i couldf get that client to boot
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10:27 | <sbalneav> yeah, ok, I realize that.
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10:27 | <bip> the server is already up and running
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10:27 | <bip> i jsut need to figure how to get the lil sucker to work
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10:27 | <sbalneav> but you're going to have to build a custom cd from scratch. That stuff isn't in LBE.
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10:27 | <sbalneav> We've never supported it.
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10:28 | <bip> well in the wiki there is a falsh card booting howto
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10:28 | <bip> i wondered if i could adpt that to cd booting sbalneav
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10:28 | <sbalneav> Sure, but you'd be on your own.
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10:28 | <bip> i have a generic cd booti g howto
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10:29 | well actually i have 3 links then tell what i need
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10:29 | i just can t figure how to merge em into something i understand
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10:29 | well it s a nice hack
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10:29 | <sbalneav> How much development experience do you have?
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10:29 | <bip> ii m sure there r mmany of those laptops around sbalneav
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10:29 | well i have been compiling some tarballs
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10:30 | but i m not a coder
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10:30 | i havce been using linux for over 5 years
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10:30 | <sbalneav> I'd say it'd be a big job.
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10:30 | <bip> and if i m forced i compile
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10:30 | but usually i prefer to use binaries
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10:30 | so what r the options ?
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10:31 | lstp 5 would serve me better ?
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10:31 | <sbalneav> That's the server side.
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10:31 | <bip> get an other client ?
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10:31 | yeah
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10:31 | i m exploring all the possible options
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10:31 | <sbalneav> Like I say
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10:32 | <bip> og course since i have a working ltsp 4.2 install i d let that option last
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10:32 | <sbalneav> boot knoppix, start X with X -query <server ip>
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10:32 | <bip> knoppix from client ?
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10:32 | u use knoppix has boot cd right ?
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10:32 | u would
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10:32 | <sbalneav> All ltsp does is just get you a working X server that can talk to a remote client. Knoppix will do that just as well, and they already have all the PCMCIA stuff figured out.
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10:32 | <bip> interesting
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10:33 | ok
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10:33 | yeah makes sense
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10:33 | and sounds fast
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10:33 | il try this
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10:33 | very smart
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10:33 | good i will let u know how it works
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10:34 | did i already say what a bunch of great guys u r here ? ;-)
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10:35 | <bip> so i boot knoppix in text mode
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10:35 | and when i m into a console i just type startx -query server ip ?
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10:36 | i wasnt jokin ...
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10:36 | when i said i m dumb ;-)
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10:41 | <bip> does latest knoppix still work from cd ?
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10:41 | or it only boots from dvd now ?
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10:42 | <irule> bip I think there is a CD version with less bells and whistles
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10:42 | <bip> ok
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10:42 | great :)
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10:43 | i dont need those ;-)
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10:43 | <envite> you can also try miniknoppix
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10:44 | it fits in 8cm CD
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10:50 | <bip> a further question
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10:50 | but if i do starts -query server ip il will use the x server from the ltsp machine
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10:51 | but how do I get the tstp full pacakge ? like ruunin frograms from the serevr and saving data tehre
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10:51 | i m not sure knoppinx running on a old laptop is very exciting
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10:58 | <MrChicken> hello
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10:58 | jammcq .. u there? :$
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11:00 | <MrChicken> guess not
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11:00 | I'm having trouble getting sound in ltsp
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11:01 | I alredy read the wiki
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11:01 | and I can get sound in the console
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11:01 | <MrChicken> however when I start X i cant get sound
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11:02 | <MrChicken> when I open an xterm I get a "Couldn't open connectiion to ws200ltsp:9200: Invalid argument"
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11:07 | <irule> MrChicken maybe if you ping ws200ltsp and dont get a response, it means that there is a sipmple nameing problem arround your network configuration
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11:09 | <MrChicken> I can ping ws200.ltsp
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11:10 | from X
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11:13 | <sbalneav> MrChicken: Did you do like jammcq suggested, and single step through the perl script on the server side?
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11:17 | <Gadi> MrChicken: what desktop are you using?
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11:17 | if you use gnome, open a terminal and type: gstreamer-properties, change the audio sink to esd, and test
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11:20 | <MrChicken> sbalneav .. yeah
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11:20 | discovered a small error
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11:20 | and just fixed it
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11:21 | but I still get the same problem
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11:22 | I dont get any more the "couldnt open connection" error
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11:22 | however I still cant get anything
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11:22 | and I am using gnome and its already with esd
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11:23 | <sbalneav> How are you managing to come up with 9200 as a port, when esd communicates on 16001?
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11:23 | 9200's the printer port
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11:23 | <MrChicken> I do have a printer configured...
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11:23 | <Gadi> actually, 9100 is printer - 9200 is ltspinfo
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11:23 | iirc
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11:24 | <sbalneav> Hmm
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11:24 | I can never remember. It's not ESD anyways :)
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11:24 | hey gadi!
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11:25 | <Gadi> hey, sbalneav
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11:25 | <sbalneav> What's shakin?
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11:25 | <MrChicken> :(
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11:25 | <Gadi> I hear u've started getting on the speaker circuit
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11:25 | <MrChicken> Still notworking
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11:25 | <Gadi> MrChicken: are you using gnome?
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11:25 | <sbalneav> Phht. Like anyone's interested in what I have to say.
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11:25 | <Gadi> i sure am
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11:25 | i always am :)
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11:25 | <sbalneav> Expect my OSCON talk to be sparsly populated :)
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11:26 | <Gadi> thats only because nobody can spell oscon
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11:26 | :)
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11:26 | no reflection on u
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11:26 | hey, sbalneav, do you use vmware to test ltsp?
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11:27 | im trying to figure out how to get my LTSP VM connected to my host's eth0
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11:28 | i have done this before but so infrequently i forget
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11:30 | <cliebow_> a
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11:30 | <MrChicken> Gadi yes
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11:30 | Im using gnome
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11:30 | <Gadi> MrChicken: open a terminal and type: gstreamer-properties, change the audio sink to esd, and test
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11:30 | <sbalneav> No, I don't use vmware
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11:33 | <bip> gadi
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11:33 | i use vmware
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11:33 | r u using a virtual client or server ?
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11:33 | or both ?
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11:33 | <Gadi> bip: server console
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11:33 | running a pxe vm
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11:33 | <bip> ok
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11:33 | <Gadi> want to connect it to eth0 on my lappy
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11:33 | <bip> ok ok
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11:34 | i do this costantly
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11:34 | u have a vmware ltsp server
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11:34 | <Gadi> i have a real ltsp server
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11:34 | on the host
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11:34 | <bip> ok
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11:34 | <Gadi> i have a vm client
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11:34 | <bip> and u want a ltso client to boot from it ok ?
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11:34 | ok
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11:34 | <MrChicken> Gadi... done, I get an error contructing pipeline
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11:34 | <bip> i have a diffrent experience
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11:35 | i have a virtual server and i boot both virtual and phycal terms from it
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11:35 | but maybe i can still help Gadi
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11:35 | sometimes i have dhcp fights
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11:35 | <Gadi> bip: I would be much appreciative :)
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11:35 | <bip> i need to turn off a dhcp server
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11:36 | i have 2 dhcp serverrs
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11:36 | one in my gateway and one in my virtual ltsp server
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11:36 | sometimes the latop doesnt boot unless i stop the dhcp in the gw Gadi
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11:37 | and i configured em to use diffrent ranges
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11:37 | <Gadi> well, its not getting any response at all
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11:37 | <bip> mm no response
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11:37 | <Gadi> so I think I have the ethernet connection wrong
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11:37 | <bip> ok
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11:37 | yeah
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11:37 | use bridged
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11:37 | <Gadi> I have it on host-only
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11:37 | ok
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11:37 | <bip> nooooooooooo
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11:37 | if need to use a real machine
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11:37 | use bridged
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11:37 | bridged is your answer Gadi
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11:38 | <Gadi> how does it know bridged = eth0 and not my wifi ?
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11:38 | <bip> well
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11:38 | it bridges to eth0 by default
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11:38 | if u wanna bridge it to wi-fi
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11:38 | <Gadi> nah
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11:38 | I want eth0
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11:38 | <bip> u must tell it explicitly
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11:39 | <Gadi> where are those settings?
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11:39 | <bip> well
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11:39 | in the they r set by the vmnware-config.pl
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11:39 | usually if i i m not happy
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11:39 | i just rerun that script Gadi
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11:39 | <MrChicken> Gadi .. I'm getting a pipeline error
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11:39 | <Gadi> ah
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11:39 | MrChicken: sorry, forgot
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11:40 | um, MrChicken, do you have screen_02 = shell?
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11:40 | bip: brided still isnt working ... :(
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11:40 | <bip> mmm
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11:41 | ok
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11:41 | <Gadi> maybe I'll check for settings somewhere
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11:41 | <bip> i have a suspect wait
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11:41 | sometimes dont ask me why
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11:41 | vmware gets confused if u just edit the card tye
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11:41 | u can play with vm config files and a trexty editor
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11:41 | or if u feel lazy
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11:42 | i do this gadi:
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11:42 | i remove the non working card from the virtual box
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11:42 | and create a new one
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11:42 | <Gadi> hmm
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11:42 | i guess its worth a try
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11:42 | <bip> for some sick reason converting host only vards into bridged ones always gives troubles Gadi
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11:42 | instead u remove the host only one
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11:43 | then build a nbew one that is bridged to start with
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11:43 | i had this experience many times Gadi
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11:43 | <MrChicken> gadi I have screen_01=shell
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11:43 | <bip> i even have some idea why it happen but i have forgot it now Gadi ;-)
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11:43 | <MrChicken> ok I'm in the shell now =)
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11:44 | <Gadi> MrChicken: can you set it up like this: screen_01 = startx, screen_02 = shell
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11:44 | that way you can switch back and forth
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11:45 | bip: still no go :(
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11:45 | <bip> mmm
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11:45 | what happens at the client exactly Gadi ?
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11:45 | <Gadi> the usual DHCP.......\
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11:46 | <bip> i had to sweat and swear quite a bit
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11:46 | ok
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11:46 | does it get a ip ?
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11:46 | <Gadi> nope
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11:46 | <bip> ok
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11:46 | <Gadi> keeps timing out
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11:46 | <bip> mmm
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11:46 | <Gadi> seems my bridge has fallen down
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11:46 | <MrChicken> Ok
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11:46 | <bip> can i ask u what version oif vmware r u running to do this Gadi ?
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11:47 | <MrChicken> Done
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11:47 | <Gadi> much like London Bridge
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11:47 | latest vmware 1.0.2
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11:47 | i believe
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11:47 | (just d/l'd new one)
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11:47 | MrChicken: ok on screen 2, at the shell, make sure esd is running: ps|grep esd
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11:48 | <MrChicken> esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -as 1
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11:48 | <Gadi> so far so good
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11:49 | <Gadi> log into X and open gstreamer-properties again
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11:49 | and run that test again
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11:50 | <MrChicken> ok done...
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11:50 | same pipeline error
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11:52 | Gadi?
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11:53 | <Gadi> MrChicken: open a terminal window through X and do: echo ESPEAKER
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11:53 | oops
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11:53 | echo $ESPEAKER
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11:53 | <MrChicken> done, nothing returns
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11:53 | <Gadi> do: echo $DISPLAY
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11:54 | <MrChicken> ws190.ltsp:0.0
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11:55 | <Gadi> now: export ESPEAKER=ws190.ltsp:16001
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11:55 | <MrChicken> oki
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11:56 | <Gadi> and: esdplay /usr/share/sounds/login.wav
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11:56 | <MrChicken> it says nothing
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11:56 | <Gadi> do you hear a sound?
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11:57 | <MrChicken> nopw
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11:57 | <Gadi> do you have headphones or speakers?
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11:57 | <MrChicken> speaker
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11:57 | <Gadi> can you adjust the volume?
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11:57 | <MrChicken> sure
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11:57 | just maxed it
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11:57 | <Gadi> esdplay again
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11:58 | <MrChicken> nothing
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11:58 | <envite> easier
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11:58 | esddsp cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp
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11:58 | <Gadi> yuck
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11:59 | <envite> do that first in server and then in client
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11:59 | <envite> if that does not work, kill esd and restart with option -public
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12:00 | <MrChicken> weird
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12:00 | when running X I cant see esd
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12:01 | <Gadi> thats not weird
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12:01 | thats correct
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12:01 | esd runs on the client
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12:01 | not the server
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12:01 | <MrChicken> so I should kill esd on the client ??
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12:02 | <Gadi> do this:
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12:02 | edit: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound
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12:02 | find the line that calls /bin/esd ....
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12:02 | and add -public to the end (before the amphersand)
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12:03 | then, reboot the terminal
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12:06 | <MrChicken> ok
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12:06 | the ESD test works
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12:06 | but now I try to play a file with xmms and I get a hw errpr
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12:08 | Ok
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12:08 | Works perfect
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12:08 | now I have one more Q
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12:08 | :$
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12:09 | In some clients
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12:09 | <Gadi> bip: turns out I needed to plug eth0 into a switch to make it work :P
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12:09 | thanks to jammcq for the advice
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12:09 | silly
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12:09 | <bip> well
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12:09 | <MrChicken> i get a warning that I need cmmpci lib or something like that
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12:09 | <MrChicken> to get the sound loaded
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12:10 | <IRCzito> j #async
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12:11 | <Gadi> MrChicken: a warning where? from an application?
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12:11 | <MrChicken> no, when ltsp boots
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12:12 | on a client with CMI8738
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12:13 | <Gadi> sounds like you already have sound, tho
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12:13 | <MrChicken> Gadi... I'm working on another client =)
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12:14 | <Gadi> perhaps you have the wrong sound module?
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12:14 | <MrChicken> its on auto
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12:16 | <Gadi> dunno - if you have a whole lot of varied cards, at some point you may want to grab my esd-alsa pkg off the wiki, so you can use the alsa sound modules - you'll prolly be able to support more cards that way
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12:16 | but, you can stick with this for now, if you've got em mostly all going
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12:44 | <MrChicken> Gadi... where can I find the esd-alsa?
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12:45 | <Gadi> MrChicken: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2
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12:48 | <MrChicken> thnx!
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13:03 | <MrChicken> Ok.. just installed the esd-alsa
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13:03 | now what?
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13:04 | should I still use esd or should I now use alsa?
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13:04 | <King`Nothing> hello, i want to ask you something! :) How to make boot splash screen at ltsp 5 server to show to every PC in network? i think to use Splashy for that, but I don't know how
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13:07 | <Gadi> MrChicken: reboot the thin client
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13:08 | and see if sound still works
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13:08 | by using this package, you should be able to specify alsa modules ( SMODULE_01 = "snd-XXXXX" ) as needed
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13:08 | it will still try to autodetect the correct one
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13:10 | <MrChicken> Gadi .. one more Q... I cant seem to record anything.... at least Krec tries to use arts
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13:10 | and wont lemme change it to esd
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13:10 | <Gadi> MrChicken: esd does not support recording
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13:10 | so, you can forget about that on thin clients for now
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13:15 | <MrChicken> Gadi... so that means I cant get a softphone running on ltsp?
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13:16 | <Gadi> not trivially - softphones are best run as local apps
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13:17 | <MrChicken> Gadi... "not trivially" means "not unless you rewrite the whole core code of ltsp"?
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13:19 | <Gadi> well, the challenge to local apps boils down to: a. installing apps into the ltsp chroot, b. launching them from the server, and c. optionally running them on the client as the same user who is requesting it
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13:19 | a. is nontrivial in LTSP 4.2 - but much easier in 5.0
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13:19 | b. requires special setup in either case
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13:20 | <MrChicken> Gadi ... now the question is... do you have time to help me through it?
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13:20 | <Gadi> c. has NIS mechanisms in 4.2 and no mechanisms (afaik) in 5.0 (so they would need installing)
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13:20 | no
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13:20 | it is nontrivial
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13:20 | but, there are people who have done it
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13:20 | and you may be able to find case studies on the subject
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13:20 | <MrChicken> so I will ask in the mailing list =)
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13:21 | <Gadi> thats a better bet
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13:22 | <MrChicken> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8165
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13:22 | thats an interesting article =)
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13:24 | <cliebow_> Gadi:ldap authentication in ltsp5 should be no more then chroot installing libnssldap and libpamldap tweaking common* in pam.d and nsswitch.conf?
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13:26 | <Gadi> cliebow: prolly - but dont forget mounting /home
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13:26 | and then, what about security?
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13:26 | do you launch via ssh and have private ssh keys for each user on NFS?
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13:26 | not a great idea
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13:27 | it requires a bit of thought to do it well
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13:27 | <ogra> Gadi, just mount /home via sshfs ;)
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13:27 | sshd is running anyway on the server
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13:28 | <Gadi> there ya go
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13:28 | <cliebow_> Gadi:oh yeah!
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13:28 | Gadi:you use dbi module tocontact mysql at all?
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13:28 | <ogra> there are as well howtos for tunneling ldap through ssh :)
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13:29 | <cliebow_> Gadi:you referring to ldapsecurity itself or the network traffic involved with a mounted homedir?
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13:30 | <Gadi> i was referring to keeping private ssh keys on an open NFS server
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13:31 | which would be one insecure way to allow users to remotely execute programs on the thin client from the server
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13:31 | <cliebow_> yes i see
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13:33 | used dbi for sql at all?
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13:35 | <Gadi> not recently
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13:40 | <cliebow_> guess i have it figured out far enough to screw something up anyway
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13:56 | <freyley> question: (debian etch ltsp 5): my pxe terminal gets pxelinux.0 from the tftp server, but then sends out requests for pxelinux.cfg/default to 0.0.0.0.tftp which doesn't answer. Why doesn't it send that request to the server specifically, as it did for pxelinux.cfg?
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13:57 | <Gadi> sbalneav: ping
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13:59 | <sepski> freyley, add a "next-server" directive to the dhcp config
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14:00 | <nf1> Hi, is there any difference with local printers in LTSP5. I have HP laserjet 4 and try run with but with no luck.
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14:02 | <freyley> that did it. thanks.
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14:05 | <nf1> I got it running with LTSP4.2 and CUPS
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14:06 | I forgot the tell that this printer is on parallel port
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14:07 | <sbalneav> Gadi: ICMP ECHO REPLY
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14:07 | <Gadi> heh
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14:07 | <mistik1> hey guys
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14:08 | <Gadi> quickie: why does ltspfsmounter's add function require the setting of a DISPLAY variable
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14:08 | does ltspfs require DISPLAY to be set?
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14:08 | <Gadi> is that because it still does the X auth stuff?
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14:09 | mistik1: got your IM last night - good work
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14:09 | <sbalneav> Gadi: I beleieve so.
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14:09 | <mistik1> ;-)
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14:09 | <Gadi> sbalneav: thx. I am very tempted to just use ltspfs client side - it is such a nice automounter :)
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14:15 | <freyley> how do you configure the ldm screen?
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14:22 | <sbalneav> freyley: What is it you'd like to configure?
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14:23 | <King`Nothing> hello, i want to ask you something! :) How to make boot splash screen at ltsp 5 server to show to every PC in network? i think to use Splashy for that, but I don't know how
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14:23 | <sbalneav> King`Nothing: ltsp5 uses usplash, so you could design your artwork for that.
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14:24 | Then use the mkinitrd stuff to install it into the kernel image.
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14:24 | <freyley> sbalneav: I figured out how to change the icons and the colors, but I was hoping to add a user chooser and I haven't figured out where ltsp // in the bottom right corner is set.
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14:25 | <King`Nothing> ok, thanks ssbalneav, anything special and unusual in installing it into kernel image ?
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14:25 | <sbalneav> freyley: Well, the source package is available, and it's in python, so should be easy to code.
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14:26 | <freyley> sbalneav: okay. thanks. =)
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14:26 | <sbalneav> King`Nothing: Nope, just use either a standard Ubuntu or Debian kernel, and you should be fine.
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14:28 | <King`Nothing> thank you again sbalneav :) if I had any obstacle, can I ask you again?
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14:28 | <sbalneav> Sure, I'll help with what I can.
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15:19 | <plamengr> Hi, all :) We have configured a Local Printer in LTSP-4.2 (Debian sid on the server) by CUPS
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15:20 | The Device - HP JetDirect with socket://hostname:9100/
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15:20 | and in lts.conf PRINTER_0_TYPE = P
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15:20 | PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0
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15:21 | <plamengr> we tried this settings on LTSP-5 but we get: The hostname "hostname" is busy, will retry in ... seconds
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15:22 | Have you configured already local printers in LTSP-5 ?
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15:52 | <Gadi> ogra: ping
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15:56 | <HobNobblin> Does anyone know how to accomplish passthrough transparent printing from either ssh or telnet in ltsp?
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16:12 | <MrChicken> is there lbe for ltsp 4.2?
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16:18 | <artista_frustrad> I last week I installed ltsp-server (etch)
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16:18 | and was working perfectly.. the I did a dist-upgrade
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16:18 | now the clientes ares trying to fetch an older version of the kernel (/lts/vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2)
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16:18 | I've checked dhcpd.conf and everything seems ok.. (filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";)
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16:19 | does anyone have any idea of what may be wrong ?
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16:22 | <plamengr> artista_frustrad: try running: ltsp-update-kernels on the server
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16:24 | <artista_frustrad> plamengr, can you explain why the diferent paths ( /lts and /ltsp )???
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16:25 | plamengr, nothing changed
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16:26 | <plamengr> the full path is: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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16:27 | <artista_frustrad> yes
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16:27 | <plamengr> check whether the kernels in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ are updated
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16:29 | <artista_frustrad> they are.. but the clientes are requesting an older version .. even though everything seems to be ok on dhcpd.conf
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16:30 | <plamengr> have you restarted dhcp-server?
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16:30 | <artista_frustrad> plamengr, about 2 dozen times
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16:31 | <plamengr> does nbi.img point to the new kernel?
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16:32 | maybe write directly the new kernel: nbi.img-2.6.18-4-486
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16:32 | <artista_frustrad> what I cannot understand is why my clientes are trying to fetch a 2.6.16-1 kernel when everything on my server is 2.6.18-4 ..
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16:33 | <plamengr> check your /etc/default/tftpd-hpa and /etc/inetd.conf
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16:34 | there should be the relative path to the kernels
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16:34 | <artista_frustrad> and why the clientes are looking for it on /lts when they should be cheking on /ltsp
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16:34 | <plamengr> maybe it's different from /var/lib/tftpboot
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16:35 | specify the same relative path, and should be ok
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16:35 | <cliebow> waIT: you are looking at /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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16:35 | ?
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16:35 | <artista_frustrad> /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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16:36 | <cliebow> Crikey!
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16:36 | but..hmm this is k12ltsp?
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16:36 | no..
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16:37 | just cvheck what passes for /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server and see which file it reads for its config..
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16:37 | <artista_frustrad> but they are both pointing to the same place
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16:38 | so it should not matter
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16:39 | <cliebow> if that is true..then true...after install of ltsp-server-standalone in ubuntu dhcp is defined in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf..if pointing to same place..then that is not the issue
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16:42 | <artista_frustrad> well.. but why is my clientes requestiong /lts/vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2 instead of /ltsp/i386/nbi.img ??
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16:43 | <cliebow> thereis not another dhcp server running?i know..gbut had to ask
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16:44 | maybe then post your dhcpd.conf with pastebot...i dont know
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16:47 | <ltsppbot> "artista_frustrado" pasted "dhcpd.conf and syslog msgs of tftpd" (25 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/64
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16:49 | <bip> does anybody know if a standard debian installer cd can be used to do pivot_root ?
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16:51 | <cliebow> looks just fine..and you checked the -s parameter in inetd.conf or /etc/xinetd.d/tftp to be sure it isd still /var/lib/tftpboot..and /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/nbi.img exists i know..
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16:53 | <artista_frustrad> OPTIONS="-l -v -s /var/lib/tftpboot"
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16:54 | <Gadi> artista_frustrad: is there another LTSP box running on that subnet?
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16:54 | PXE is a broadcast request ;)
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16:54 | <artista_frustrad> Gadi, nope.. that is the weard part
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16:55 | <Gadi> how about: grep -R vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2 /etc
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16:55 | <cliebow> so you can see the requaests in /var/log/messages or syslog on THat server
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16:56 | Gadi:why should not /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf be the coordinating configfile?o ris it simlimnked in debia?
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16:56 | <Gadi> what do I know?
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16:56 | I ask grep
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16:56 | <cliebow> you are the MAN!
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16:56 | <Gadi> much easier than thinking
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16:57 | if grep cant find it - then I suspect a forgotten LTSP server somewhere
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16:57 | <cliebow> can you not see in dhcp3-server that it is reading the correct configfile?
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16:57 | <Gadi> :)
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16:57 | I could
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16:57 | or I could ask grep
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16:57 | grep's like a bloodhound
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16:57 | man's best friend
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16:58 | <cliebow> but seems the only way to know which configfile is being read
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17:00 | <Gadi> what was it good ole akum used to say? the simplest answer is usually the most correct
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17:00 | * artista_frustrad shall kill the treinee.. | |
17:00 | <cliebow> dwight akum? the country singer?
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17:00 | <artista_frustrad> found another box
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17:00 | <Gadi> :)
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17:00 | QED, as they say in Latin
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17:01 | <Lumiere> hehe
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17:01 | <artista_frustrad> now dhcp is not leasing
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17:01 | <Lumiere> my professor like dun instead of QED
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17:01 | <cliebow> give it a kick in the shins
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17:01 | * Gadi took a lot of mathematical analysis | |
17:01 | <Gadi> ;)
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17:01 | <cliebow> i knew a mathematical ALice once
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17:02 | <Gadi> in the limit as aggravation goes to infinity
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17:02 | Alice? Alice? Who the fsck is Alice?
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17:02 | LOL
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17:02 | <Lumiere> lol?
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17:04 | <Gadi> ah, nothing. hey, this vmware stuff can be fun: I have a PXE-booting vm booting from my feisty LTSP5 laptop, connecting to my desktop PC running edgy over NAT via my 802.11b wireless card and pushing back a desktop
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17:05 | <cliebow> my head hurts
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17:05 | <Gadi> heh, me too
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17:05 | <cliebow> life just doesnt get any better than this 8~)
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17:05 | <Gadi> well, there's always mathematical alice ;)
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17:05 | grrr....
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17:05 | <cliebow> Heh
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17:07 | i think they have Alice under heavy sedatiion now...shcok treatments..that sort of thing
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17:09 | * artista_frustrad thinks: must kill myself . reason: over stupidity .. | |
17:10 | <cliebow> we have all been there..some more than once
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17:10 | i spent two days tweaking inittab.omly to find i was using upstart
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17:11 | <Gadi> blame the damn developers - they keep changing things !!!
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17:11 | why cant they stop progressing!
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17:11 | * Gadi returns to paving paradise.... | |
17:11 | <cliebow> 8~)
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17:14 | <artista_frustrad> well.. since I'm on my stupid day.. where do I put my lts.conf on ltsp 5 ??
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17:14 | <Gadi> same place as ltsp 4.2, stupid
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17:14 | ;)
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17:14 | sorry - couldnt resist
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17:17 | <cliebow> Gadi:speaking of stupid..i cant quite figger out hot to pull the source code for thin-client-manager from launchpad?can you give me syntax..i have bzr co http://launchpad.net/ durnedifinknow
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17:18 | im having a python-gtk moment
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17:18 | <Gadi> heh
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17:18 | i think its bzr pull
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17:18 | or bzr get
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17:18 | maybe bzr get
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17:18 | do you have the url for it?
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17:19 | <cliebow> not really..https://launchpad.net/tcm
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17:20 | i tyhink co is cjheckout
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17:20 | <Gadi> try: bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~petesavage/tcm/trunk
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17:21 | <cliebow> Balls: havnt got bzr on This mnachine..ill write it down and give ot a whirl
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17:21 | <Gadi> brb
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17:21 | <cliebow> cool
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17:21 | t33gan03
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17:22 | y
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17:26 | tcm target already exists
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17:40 | sudo bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~petesavage/tcm/trunk ~/tcm
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17:42 | <PY1NB> many changes from 4.2 to 5?
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17:44 | <cliebow> yup
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17:45 | different idea altogether..ltsp5 still adding features
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17:55 | <PY1NB> should the fedora4 rpm work under centos 4.4?
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17:58 | <cliebow> not sure...
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18:27 | <dan__t> Howdy.
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18:28 | <PY1NB> howdy
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18:28 | <dan__t> How goes it
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18:29 | <PY1NB> fine, tnx
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18:29 | <dan__t> rad
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18:29 | <PY1NB> trying to install this ltsp on centos
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18:30 | <dan__t> ahh
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18:30 | any luck?
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18:32 | <PY1NB> still on the process
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18:33 | <dan__t> ah.
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18:41 | <artista_frustrad> does anyone know how to configure the clients to use us_intl so they will make c+' = ? ??
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18:50 | <PY1NB> artista_frustrad: procura no brlinux
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19:37 | <Mawkee> Hello. As I've seen, LTSP 5 on Debian Etch works way too different than what I used to. I need some help, mainly on 3 things: 1. How can I use gdm instead of ldm, 2. How can I change /etc/X11/xorg.conf in a per-station fashion, 3. Do I still configure printers on /etc/lts.conf (sorry, my kb is not configured and I don't have the question marker)
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19:37 | s/I used to/I'm used to/g
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19:38 | s/question marker/question mark/g
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19:44 | <Mawkee> Simpler question: can I still use /etc/lts.conf
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19:47 | Yup, switching back to 4.1
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19:58 | <davidj> jammcq: ping?
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20:03 | <jammcq> davidj: pong
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20:09 | <davidj> jammcq: ping
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20:10 | <jammcq> what's up?
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20:36 | <PY1NB> how can I test if nfs is ok?
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20:39 | <davidj> PY1NB: "mount -t nfs server:/opt/ltsp/i386 /mnt/"
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20:40 | where "server" is the DNS name or the IP address of your server.
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20:42 | <PY1NB> tnx, davidj
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20:43 | booting my ltsp server to see if things will work, seems like I have a problem on nfs
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20:46 | mount request from unknown host, how do I set it?
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20:46 | I have /etc/exports as:
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20:46 | /opt/ltsp-4.2 192.168.254.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync)
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20:46 | /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.254.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async)
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20:48 | brb
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20:50 | <PY1NB> client says: server not respondig, still trying
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21:05 | <davidj> PY1NB: Is your terminal on 192.168.254?
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21:22 | <MetztliXictli> hi
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21:22 | !hda
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21:22 | <ltspbot> MetztliXictli: Error: "hda" is not a valid command.
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21:22 | <MetztliXictli> !syslinux
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21:22 | <ltspbot> MetztliXictli: Error: "syslinux" is not a valid command.
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21:22 | <MetztliXictli> !ima
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21:23 | <ltspbot> MetztliXictli: Error: "ima" is not a valid command.
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21:26 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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21:26 | !seen ogra
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21:26 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 7 hours, 58 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <ogra> there are as well howtos for tunneling ldap through ssh :)
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21:26 | <mistik1> evening sbalneav
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21:27 | <sbalneav> Hey mistik1!
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21:42 | <jammcq> hey kids
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21:42 | <MetztliXictli> hi
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21:42 | speak spanish
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21:42 | <dtrask> hey Dad! :-)
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21:42 | <jammcq> no habla espaniol
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21:42 | <MetztliXictli> i need de imagen universal fr etherboot
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21:42 | <jammcq> dtrask: HEY
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21:42 | <MetztliXictli> i need img universal to etherboot
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21:44 | !syslinux
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21:44 | <ltspbot> MetztliXictli: Error: "syslinux" is not a valid command.
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21:44 | <MetztliXictli> !iman on
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21:44 | <ltspbot> MetztliXictli: Error: "iman" is not a valid command.
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21:44 | <MetztliXictli> !ima hda on
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21:44 | <ltspbot> MetztliXictli: Error: "ima" is not a valid command.
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21:45 | <MetztliXictli> !sound
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21:45 | <ltspbot> MetztliXictli: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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22:26 | <MetztliXictli> acces violation in the client
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23:13 | <MetztliXictli> se vagrantc
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23:13 | oyes cual es el link donde esta el etherboot de syslinux
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23:13 | la imagen?
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23:14 | <vagrantc> !bootfloppy
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23:14 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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23:15 | <vagrantc> MetztliXictli: yo uso http://etherboot.anadex.de
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23:18 | <mistik1> once again I proclaim that "Linux ROCKS!!!!" ;-)
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23:19 | * vagrantc shares in the occasional amazement | |
23:19 | <mistik1> hehe
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23:19 | <liljohnpenguin> you guys are tards
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23:20 | haha
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23:21 | <mistik1> There is nothing like looking at a problem for hours trying to figure out how to solve it then you go diving into /usr/src/linux/Documentation and *bang* there is a facility for doing just what you want
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23:22 | This is a regular occurance in linux, Other OSes, not so sure
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23:24 | <MetztliXictli> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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23:37 | <MetztliXictli> vagrantc, tengo un amigo que puso server de 32 bits y un cliente de 64 bits
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23:37 | y no le funciona ltsp
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23:42 | <vagrantc> MetztliXictli: hmmm... no say. creo que cliente de 64 bits funciona de 32 bits ...
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23:42 | pero, no se.
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23:43 | <MetztliXictli> si ya funciono
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23:44 | !sound
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23:44 | <ltspbot> MetztliXictli: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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23:45 | <MetztliXictli> !lda
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23:45 | <ltspbot> MetztliXictli: Error: "lda" is not a valid command.
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23:45 | <MetztliXictli> !LDA
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23:45 | <ltspbot> MetztliXictli: Error: "LDA" is not a valid command.
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23:45 | <MetztliXictli> Local device acces
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23:45 | !Local device acces
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23:45 | <ltspbot> MetztliXictli: Error: "Local" is not a valid command.
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23:46 | <MetztliXictli> !LDA
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23:46 | <ltspbot> MetztliXictli: Error: "LDA" is not a valid command.
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23:47 | <vagrantc> !localdev
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23:47 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "localdev" is Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev
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23:47 | <vagrantc> MetztliXictli: por que olvida "localdev" ? :P
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