IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 29 March 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:15 | <iMav> I thought ltsp developers never slept? :)
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| 01:39 | <ChinaForge> hello
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| 01:40 | I have a problem.
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| 01:40 | how can i use chinese for ldm?
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| 01:43 | Hello,Can you help me?
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| 01:44 | Hello,Can you help me?
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| 01:53 | <iMav> I think everyone is sleeping. :)
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| 01:53 | <ChinaForge> I think too. :)
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| 03:29 | <ursatz> hello
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| 03:30 | I have a problem with ltsp 4.2
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| 03:30 | if I run ltspcfg I get this error
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| 03:30 | Checking nfs....rpcinfo: can't contact portmapper: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused
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| 03:32 | and if I try /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart
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| 03:32 | i get * Starting rpc nfsd... [FAIL]
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| 03:32 | any1 can help?
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| 06:31 | <rpetre> hi, i know it may be a faq, but i can't find the answer: what's needed in the ltsp chroot so that setxkbmap works? it currently complains about "error loading new keyboard description"
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| 06:33 | nvm, found something in the wiki
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| 06:45 | <rpetre> nope, copying /etc/X11/xkb from the server to the chroot does not have any effect
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| 07:06 | <vanya> what do you think about http://usbip.sourceforge.net/ ? can't it be helpful for ltsp ?
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| 07:08 | <jammcq> vanya: it's a cool idea, but the project is mostly dead
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| 07:09 | we played with it a bit, but it turns out to be really tricky to manage all of the USB devices of all of the thin clients
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| 07:09 | <vanya> actually last news from there dated Mar 8, 2007
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| 07:09 | <jammcq> usbip doesn't differentiate between users, so you just end up with lots of USB devices looking like they belong to the server
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| 07:09 | and even then, it doesn't help with cdroms and floppies
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| 07:10 | <vanya> but it will help for plain thin clients that don't have those floppy and cdroms in them
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| 07:10 | just USB attached
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| 07:11 | <jammcq> well, yer welcome to play with it. we looked at it, and decided it wouldn't work for us
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| 07:11 | <vanya> and all the proccess is quite transparent
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| 07:11 | <jammcq> I don't remember all the details
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| 07:11 | <vanya> it's a pity
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| 07:12 | <jammcq> sbalneav has a better memory for that sort of stuff. he actually had usbip working, and figured out where it was a problem
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| 07:12 | <vanya> if the project is not dead we can cooperate with its authors..
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| 07:12 | <jammcq> go for it
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| 07:12 | <vanya> Idea is really interesting
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| 07:12 | I will check and tell you..
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| 07:13 | <jammcq> I know scott worked with the guy in Japan, and something just wasn't right
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| 07:14 | <vanya> usbip 0.1.4 released (Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:47:30 GMT)
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| 07:14 | it's not dead!
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| 07:15 | <jammcq> ok, you don't need to convince me
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| 07:15 | <vanya> I would like to hear the reasons
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| 07:15 | <jammcq> go ahead and make it work, and let us know how it goes
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| 07:15 | <vanya> I am not coding in C or something, but I could try to use what is already developed in my ltsp environment
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| 08:42 | <sbalneav> Morning all!
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| 08:43 | <cliebow_> S!!!'
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| 08:47 | <Jenna> morning
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| 08:47 | <cliebow_> 8)
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| 08:49 | <vanya> sbalneav, Good morning to you! jammcq advised me to ask you about the http://usbip.sourceforge.net/ . What were the main reasons to not use it?
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| 08:50 | <sbalneav> vanya: heh
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| 08:50 | Looks like it's just started up again.
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| 08:51 | For a long time, since 2004, it had sat idle, and didn't work with any kernel past about 2.6.8
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| 08:51 | <jammcq> !s
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| 08:52 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> For us, the big reason was, it wasn't in any mainline kernel, so it would mean us having to support helping people compile custom kernel modules
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| 08:52 | Morning jammcq
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| 08:52 | got my invite yesterday!
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| 08:52 | <cliebow_> wonder how it fared when you ripped a usb device out on the sly
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| 08:52 | <jammcq> oh? Woooooohooooooooooooooo
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| 08:52 | <cliebow_> Spain?
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| 08:53 | <jammcq> espana
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| 08:53 | <cliebow_> Cool!..now i friends in hot places
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| 08:54 | <vanya> cliebow, you mean what happens, when user just unplug USB stick? same thing if you unplug it locally on server
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| 08:55 | sbalneav, it is still not in mainline, but main developer said he is still interested in project right now and searching for somebody to drive the project
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| 08:55 | they also say that that stuff works on 2.6.18 kernel
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| 08:56 | <vanya> I don't have the required skills
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| 08:56 | for this
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| 08:58 | <jammcq> there's no better way to acquire them
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| 08:59 | <vanya> I adviced him to write to ltsp mail list and seek for help there. maybe there will be someone interested to help in this project, don't you think?
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> I think it's a great project, and if it became part of the mainline linux kernel, and became part of the distro's packages, I think it would be a FANTASTIC way to get whacky things like webcams, palms, etc going on LTSP.
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| 09:01 | <vanya> I think so too
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| 09:02 | but Takahiro Hirofuchi needs help in this project..
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| 09:03 | USB devices will be totally transparent this way..
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| 09:17 | <vanya> can someone join the usbip-devel@lists.sourceforge.net and explain what needs to be done in USB/IP in order to successfully work with LTSP? there IS one interested person in this
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| 09:18 | <jammcq> scotty just took off. he's got flooding in his basement. i'm swamped, so sorry,it's not gonna happen right now
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| 09:20 | <vanya> I don't say right now, but hope this will happen in near future ;)
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| 09:20 | I also invite that guy to ltsp mail list and channel
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| 09:24 | <vanya> I waked up their list a little and some interest shows there :)
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| 09:25 | <pscheie> morning all
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| 09:29 | <cliebow_> petre!!!!
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| 10:00 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> if i install icewm in edubuntu ltsp5 will integrate same as default with gnome ?
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| 10:01 | <vagrantc> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: could you rephrase the question?
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| 10:01 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> hehe
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| 10:01 | let c
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| 10:01 | i installed edubuntu
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| 10:02 | edubuntu give inside ltsp5 integrated thats ok
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| 10:02 | but i see my clients a slow motion when someone try up firefox or work with something
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| 10:03 | so need a fast enviroment
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| 10:03 | if i install icewm
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| 10:03 | <vagrantc> ok
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| 10:03 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ltsp works ok like gnome by default?
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| 10:03 | <tuwaha> hi
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| 10:03 | <vagrantc> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: it would work, but it might not improve the speed enough.
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| 10:04 | <tuwaha> I am having trouble in setting up the sane package on LTSP
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| 10:04 | <vagrantc> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: and you'll also need to set icewm as the default xsession and/or window manager
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| 10:05 | sh3mh4mf0r4sh: or the user selects it each time. you should probably just try it out first and see if it significantly improves the speed
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| 10:05 | <pscheie> hey cliebow_!!!!!
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| 10:05 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> where i define that xsession in the ltsp?
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| 10:05 | <pscheie> sorry about the lag, had to go take a call
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| 10:06 | <vagrantc> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: there's an option to select it at login ... i would try that before modifying configuration files and such
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| 10:06 | <cliebow_> you probably owe me a Heineken 8~)
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| 10:06 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ah
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| 10:06 | vagrantc: you are the manteiner of ltsp5 in debian ditro?
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| 10:06 | <vagrantc> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: the most active one, yes :)
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| 10:06 | <pscheie> indeed! Why don't you come out for NCLS and I'll buy you a Heineken?
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| 10:07 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> onlyyou?
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| 10:07 | <cliebow_> \where is that?
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| 10:07 | <pscheie> Minneapolis
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| 10:07 | June 14 & 15
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| 10:07 | <tuwaha> Actually I ve written my own backend on sane
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| 10:07 | <pscheie> jammcq and sbalneav are planning to come
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| 10:08 | I'm trying to get Gadi to come too
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| 10:08 | he says maybe if he can get a good flight
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| 10:08 | <cliebow_> pscheie: my other job starts Memorial Day..thurs fri sat..
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| 10:08 | <pscheie> what's your other job?
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| 10:09 | <cliebow_> Boat captain..
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| 10:10 | <tuwaha> ANYONE WHO HAS CONFIGURED SANE ON LTSP!!!!!
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| 10:12 | <vagrantc> tuwaha: be patient, and if someone knows, they'll probably tell you.
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| 10:23 | <pscheie> cliebow_: so, no time off for you in summer?
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| 10:24 | <cliebow_> no three days at school three days on the boat..cant even get to NELS
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| 10:26 | <pscheie> bummer
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| 11:50 | <pscheie> Gadi: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 11:51 | <cliebow_> Gados!!
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| 11:53 | <Gadi> hi, guys. I only have time to lurk atm.... and say hi. so, hi again
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| 12:03 | <monteslu> moquist, you ever use the smbldap stuff as a radius server?
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| 12:04 | <monteslu> I'm thinking of using it to provide wireless through something like chilispot or nocat for internet-only access
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| 12:04 | <cliebow_> i played with it some trying to get our watchguard server to auth to ldap instaed of ad
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| 12:05 | never did get it to work fully
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| 12:08 | <sbalneav> Back
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| 12:09 | <jammcq> wb
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| 12:09 | <cliebow_> you guys tried out student-control-panel?
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| 12:10 | <jammcq> didn't that get renamed to 'Thin Client Manager' ?
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| 12:10 | <cliebow_> i checked it out of bazaar as tcm
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| 12:10 | but cant get python to load
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| 12:10 | <jammcq> wow, look at you.... doing bzr checkouts and everything
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| 12:10 | <cliebow_> give me a month i can do a lot
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| 12:11 | ImportError: No module named studentcontrolpanel.ltcm
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| 12:11 | perhaps i am in the wrong restroom..err repository
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| 12:13 | <monteslu> cliebow, is watchguard similar to nocat or chilispot ?
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| 12:13 | <cliebow_> ohhh..i see
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| 12:13 | it is an expensive firewall.dont know what to compare it to
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| 12:14 | ls -al
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| 12:14 | <monteslu> I'm using ipcop + dansgaurdian an squit. Working pretty well and there's a chillispot plugin, but I need to point it to a radius server
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| 12:15 | don't even know if I'd really use it, but it looks like fun :)
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| 12:15 | <cliebow_> it has been quite a while since i played with it..but i can look at my notes
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| 12:40 | <moquist> monteslu: nope
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| 12:41 | <monteslu> hmmm... probably just a matter of hooking up freeradius to the ldap server. Maybe I'll document it or something if I ever get it to work
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| 12:42 | <moquist> monteslu: that would be great. :)
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| 12:42 | <monteslu> figure for places where ltsp is used, a hotpsot would be nice too
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| 12:44 | <cliebow_> monteslu:jerry carters ldap system administraion has a farly good piece on freeradius
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| 12:46 | <monteslu> just googled, you own a copy of the book?
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| 12:46 | <cliebow_> yes
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| 12:46 | whats left of it
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| 12:47 | gives dog-eared a new new meaning
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| 13:53 | <MrChicken> Hello =)
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| 13:53 | this channel is so quiet today
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| 13:54 | <MrChicken> does anybody know how I can run local apps in ltsp5/
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| 13:55 | <MrChicken> I found some instructions at the wiki
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| 13:55 | but I'm unsure if they are ltsp 4 or ltsp 5 oriented
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| 15:07 | <rpetre> anyone here uses non-us keyboard layouts on terminals? i guess the fact that the X server is a new (and modular) Xorg might be the problem, but i can't really track this down
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| 16:32 | <kfir> hi
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| 16:34 | hello, I want to install with mandriva a 2007 servant for 5 terminals. Somebody can orient to me by where to begin please
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| 16:45 | ??
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| 16:46 | sorry, here is the foro of LTSP?
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| 17:48 | <dtrask> anyone in here? I'm going to be travelling soon....curious as to if anyone has ever used a Nokia 770 or 800 Internet Tablet (Linux PDA)
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| 17:48 | My wife has given me the green light :-)
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| 17:49 | <neuralis> i have the 800
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| 17:49 | any particular questions?
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| 17:50 | <dtrask> Cool! Tell me your thoughts on it...what does it do...etc....I remember a lot of the guys at UDS Mtn. View had them....I'm looking at one for May
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| 17:50 | I want to travel lighter....my PC is a beast...very heavy
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| 17:50 | <neuralis> this is _far_ from an adequate pc replacement
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| 17:51 | the only good use i've found for it is keeping it on the coffee table in the living room, for when i want to look something up quickly but don't want to get up and go to my computer to use my laptop
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| 17:51 | <dtrask> Oh I know...I'm looking at it from a email, web, possible VOIP device
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| 17:51 | <neuralis> voip works fine, the built-in camera is craptastic
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| 17:51 | web is decent
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| 17:51 | haven't tried email, but gmail works fine
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| 17:51 | <dtrask> what does it use for internet calling? aka VOIP
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| 17:52 | <neuralis> it ships with a google talk client
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| 17:52 | <dtrask> I want my gmail and google calendar
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| 17:52 | <neuralis> that'd work fine
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| 17:52 | <dtrask> does it work with Skype? or perhaps Wengo or Gizmo?
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| 17:52 | <neuralis> oh, another neat thing i can do with it is put it on top of my stereo, hook it up, run mpd, and then control the music playing on the stereo wirelessly
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| 17:52 | <dtrask> :-) That's cool
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| 17:53 | <neuralis> (an expensive version of what apple access points do already)
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| 17:53 | <dtrask> yeah
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| 17:53 | <neuralis> skype won't work OOB, it's not x86
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| 17:54 | gizmo apparently works
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| 17:54 | and skype is apparently working on a version for the 800
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| 17:54 | <dtrask> my dilemma is that I have my Ubuntu PC....very heavy HP ZV5000...P4 beast with about 20 mins battery life....or my Mac...which is running OS X for school with Ubuntu in Parallels....I'd fell like I'm cheating ;-)
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| 17:54 | <neuralis> see http://gigaom.com/2007/03/21/nokia-n800/
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| 17:55 | there are plenty of very lightweight normal subnotebooks nowadays, btw
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| 17:55 | <dtrask> huh....says they have a Gizmo client....Gizmo is cool...not quite the firewall puncher that skype is, but close
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| 17:56 | yeah....like I said...my wife gave me the green light, but price is an issue
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| 17:56 | LOl
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| 17:56 | <neuralis> frankly, i'd recommend a decent subnotebook and the nokia e70 as a phone
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| 17:56 | <dtrask> which would you pick....770 or 800
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| 17:57 | any sub-notebooks in the less than $500 US range?
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| 17:57 | <neuralis> yeah, http://laptop.org ;)
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| 17:58 | <dtrask> hah! Good one....made me look!
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| 17:58 | got any spares I can use?
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| 17:58 | I actually played with the interface in VMWare a few weeks back....very nicely done.
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| 17:58 | <neuralis> it has a long way to go
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| 17:58 | the stuff that's there now is in pre-alpha
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| 17:59 | re: cheaper subnotebooks, scour ebay a bit
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| 17:59 | <dtrask> Showed it to my 4th grade students....they were pretty excited...too bad Maine isn't quite a third world country
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| 17:59 | <neuralis> you can usually find older thinkpads for pretty cheap prices
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| 17:59 | <dtrask> I may...thought about ebay
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| 18:00 | Know of any notebooks with enough battery life to get from JFK to Seville? LOL
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| 18:00 | besides a pocketful of batteries
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| 18:01 | Actually I'd be coming from Portland Maine, but the first leg I can do without ;-)
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| 18:01 | <neuralis> how long is the flight?
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| 18:02 | <dtrask> 7 hours or so
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| 18:02 | I think without looking again
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| 18:02 | <neuralis> there are thinkpads with external batteries that can handle that
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| 18:02 | also hps
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| 18:02 | i think macbooks, too
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| 18:02 | <dtrask> You going to UDS?
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| 18:02 | in May?
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| 18:02 | <neuralis> nope, way too busy
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| 18:02 | alas
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| 18:02 | <dtrask> we'll miss you
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| 18:03 | <whiprush> an older X series thinkpad with the wedge battery and an extended battery can do 10 hours.
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| 18:04 | <dtrask> ooh! wedge battery....is that the one that tips it up and puts it in a better position for keyboarding?
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| 18:04 | <whiprush> yep
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| 18:04 | <rpetre> sorry to bother, can i drop a question about keymaps?
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| 18:04 | <dtrask> go for it rpetre
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| 18:04 | <rpetre> i can't make setxkbmap work on the terminal, however i try
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| 18:04 | <dtrask> neuralis: when you say the camera is crap....you talking about video conferencing...etc?
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| 18:05 | on the 800
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| 18:05 | <rpetre> anybody here uses multiple keymaps?
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| 18:05 | <dtrask> rpetre: not me...sorry
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| 18:05 | <neuralis> dtrask: low resolution, generally lots of artifacts
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| 18:05 | <rpetre> it seems the X server on the terminal does not know about the keymap
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| 18:06 | <dtrask> neuralis: ahhh....does it do stills or record to memory for sharing? Just curios
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| 18:06 | curious
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| 18:06 | (sp)....hey....I'm a teacher
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| 18:06 | <neuralis> it probably does, i haven't tried
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| 18:06 | there's no reason why it wouldn't do stills, though
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| 18:07 | <dtrask> hows the wireless....pretty strong or do I have to be standing under the access point?
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| 18:08 | <rpetre> also, ctrl-alt-f2 stopped working at some point, can't say why (i do have a shell on vt2, i checked)
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| 18:08 | <dtrask> I would also use it for remote server management when I'm out of the school....just ssh in...use a couple of commands and "do stuff"
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| 18:26 | <irule> hi
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| 18:26 | hi
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| 18:26 | ping
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| 18:26 | hello!
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| 18:29 | <dtrask> We're here...just no one's talking much...it's early
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| 18:29 | Dads not here (jammcq)
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| 18:29 | :-)
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| 18:40 | <cliebow> speaking of the devil..
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| 18:40 | <jammcq> heh
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| 18:41 | <cliebow> dtrask is around here somewhere..
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| 18:42 | <dtrask> here I am!
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| 18:42 | <cliebow> jammcq..dtrask dtrask..jammcq
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| 18:42 | <jammcq> hey
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| 18:42 | hello mr trask
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| 18:42 | * dtrask Is looking around for a lighter laptop or device for a "trip" | |
| 18:42 | <jammcq> dtrask: that was a GREAT email you sent to the list, about teaching kids
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| 18:43 | dtrask: you going on some kinda trip or something?
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| 18:43 | <dtrask> I was talking with neuralis earlier about a Nokia 770 or 800 like all the cool kids had at UDS Google
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| 18:43 | <jammcq> pffff
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| 18:44 | <dtrask> jammcq: yeah...got my email Tuesday
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| 18:44 | jammcq: Matt too
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| 18:44 | <jammcq> i've played with the 770, seemed like a toy. I guess the 800 is better
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| 18:44 | dtrask: for UES or UDS or both?
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| 19:28 | <edgarin> Hi!
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| 19:28 | Hi jammcq!
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| 20:22 | <dtrask> jammcq: what do you have for a PDA....or do you? I remember you used to have a PDA/Phone didn't you?
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| 20:22 | <jammcq> i've got a Palm something or other. not a phone
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| 20:22 | palm titanium
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| 20:23 | <dtrask> cool....just curious....looking around...so forth...thx
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| 20:36 | <edgarin> jammcq, Greetings from Guatemala!
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| 20:36 | cliebow, Hi!
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| 20:41 | <cliebow> hi1!
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| 20:43 | ssorry..im not much help tonight..
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| 20:44 | <edgarin> cliebow, how are you?
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| 22:02 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 22:05 | <jammcq> !s
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| 22:05 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 22:05 | <sbalneav> Hey, jammcq. Work said A-OK, so Spain is a go.
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| 22:06 | <jammcq> no problem with the length of time?
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| 22:13 | <sbalneav> Nope
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| 22:13 | <jammcq> heh, coolio
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| 22:25 | <neuralis> you globetrotters, you
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