IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 9 April 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:36 | <johnny> warren, are you about?
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| 02:26 | <dberkholz> johnny: presume you're aware of the openrc-9999 ebuild?
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| 02:28 | <johnny> yes
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| 02:28 | <dberkholz> ok, cool
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| 02:28 | <johnny> looks like we need it now
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| 02:28 | i'm updating the ebuilds now
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| 02:28 | <dberkholz> i just spent an hour trying to get my wireless working. yay for another night's work wasted
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| 02:28 | <johnny> :(
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| 02:28 | that's ok.. i'm still banging away awt the ebuilds
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| 02:29 | and..there's also a patch needed for ldm , and the integration of warren's idea for /etc/ltsp/Xsession
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| 02:29 | i'm working around them atm, but it would be nice not to
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| 02:30 | oh. that reminds me
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| 02:30 | ldm hardcodes ubuntulooks in the greeter gtkrc
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| 02:31 | question is.. what should it depend on..
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| 02:34 | we do have ubuntulooks in portage tho
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| 02:34 | i think i'm gonna go for that , until vagrantc comes back
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| 02:38 | <dberkholz> just let it use that for now. that's a little tweak
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| 02:51 | <johnny> dberkholz, do you really want me mark the client ebuilds ~arch when i'm just going to override them anyways in client's /etc/portage/package.keywords/ltsp dir ?
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| 02:51 | <dberkholz> johnny: yes, because it's one less thing to remember once we add them to the tree
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| 02:52 | <johnny> once we add them to the tree, sure
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| 02:52 | <johnny> ok.
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| 02:53 | i mean.. override them in the client's package.keywords in the quickstart profile
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| 02:53 | btw
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| 02:53 | so it will be automatic
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| 02:53 | <dberkholz> johnny: sure. that'll be a more realistic experience for what it would be like for anyone who wanted to set up ltsp using the latest testing stuff
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| 02:56 | <johnny> is there some sort of accepted cli to manage /etc/portage yet ?
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| 02:57 | i don't know what is recommended these days
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| 02:57 | <dberkholz> johnny: autounmask is nice
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| 02:58 | <johnny> hmm.. requires 4 perl modules
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| 03:00 | <tarzeau> HELP
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| 03:00 | why does ltsp set 127.0.0.2 for the hostname of a client?
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| 03:00 | into /etc/hosts
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| 03:41 | <mikkel> Why has LTSP5 been removed from the Fedora 9. Anyone here was working on it ?
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| 03:48 | <ogra_cmpc> mikkel, warren, but he's likely asleep
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| 03:49 | <mikkel> ogra_cmpc: Thanks. Will try and talk to him later.
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| 03:49 | warren: Are you awake....
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| 08:21 | <warren> mikkel: it isn't removed.
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| 08:21 | <mikkel> warren: It is not in the FeatureList anymore ?
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| 08:22 | <warren> mikkel: not going to mention it in the release notes because it isn't feature parity with Ubuntu yet
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| 08:22 | <mikkel> warren: Okay, but it will be usable ?
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| 08:22 | <warren> mikkel: it is already usable
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| 08:22 | mikkel: weeks ago
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| 08:23 | <mikkel> warren: That is good to here. Looking forward to giving it a spin.
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| 08:33 | <ogra_cmpc> warren, do you add any patches to libflashsupport ?
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| 08:33 | (in fedora)
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| 08:34 | <warren> ogra_cmpc: I use the libflashsupport from pulseaudio upstream's source repo, hasn't changed in a year
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| 08:34 | <ogra_cmpc> seems we're bitten by http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/225 in ubuntu
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| 08:34 | (as gentoo is as well, indicated by the reporter)
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| 08:35 | warren, i know i was wondering if you ran into that bug and had a fix probably
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| 08:36 | <warren> ogra_cmpc: is there a particular URL that demonstrates this crash consistently?
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| 08:37 | ogra_cmpc: we do have lots of random crashes but we haven't been able to isolate them
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| 08:37 | ogra_cmpc: and the same is true of flash w/o pulse
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| 08:38 | <ogra_cmpc> our FF maintainer says he can reproduce it all the time with pulse
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| 08:39 | <warren> with what URL?
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| 08:40 | ogra_cmpc: you folks should really run plugins in nspluginwrapper even on i386. We've been doing it since Fedora 8. Our browser almost never crashes now.
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| 08:40 | it is really good for user support because you don't get users blaming the browser for plugin problems
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| 08:42 | <ogra_cmpc> warren, with any url on youtube or google video
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| 08:42 | just go back and forward multiple times on video pages
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| 08:42 | at some point it will crash
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| 08:46 | <warren> ogra_cmpc: is your crash with or without nspluginwrapper?
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| 08:47 | <ogra_cmpc> without i think
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| 08:47 | its not *my* crash :)
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| 08:48 | to me it seems something in flash has changed ... since libflashsupport and pulse didnt have any big changes
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| 08:52 | <warren> so this was fine 4 months ago but broke 3 months ago?
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| 08:53 | <ogra_cmpc> http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/49e43885-e464-11dc-8f26-001a4bd43e5c
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| 08:53 | ah
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| 08:57 | <warren> ogra_cmpc: can your FF maintainer come here?
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| 09:02 | <ogra_cmpc> i asked him
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| 09:02 | he's pretty busy (as you can imagine bets atm i guess :) )
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| 09:03 | *best
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| 09:04 | <asac> ole
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| 09:04 | warren: ?
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| 09:04 | <ogra_cmpc> hey
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| 09:04 | warren, asac is our firefox god in ubuntu ...
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| 09:05 | <asac> s/god/dog/ :)
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| 09:05 | * ogra_cmpc pokes warren to see if there is still life in there | |
| 09:05 | <asac> ill stay for a while.
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| 09:06 | <ogra_cmpc> i guess he fell over ... killed by pre release stress :)
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| 09:06 | <asac> i guess he runs IRC in flash and enabled sound ;)
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| 09:06 | <ogra_cmpc> heh
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| 09:17 | <jammcq> g'morning friends
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| 09:17 | <cliebow> jammcq!!!!
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| 09:18 | <jammcq> hey chuck
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| 09:18 | <cliebow> good to see you..
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| 09:18 | busy??..of course
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| 09:18 | <jammcq> yeah, but it's good to be busy
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| 09:19 | <cliebow> yeah..tthings are kind of slack here..
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| 09:25 | <warren> asac: do you have any procedure that can reproduce the flash crash 100% of the time?
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| 09:27 | asac: we have flash crashes, but they are not reproducible consistently, and are not limited to pulse only
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| 09:36 | <asac> warren: yes
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| 09:36 | you go to youtube, watch a video
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| 09:36 | hit back
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| 09:36 | <laga> "back"? in the browser or in the flash player?
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| 09:36 | <asac> hit forward, wait till sound and repeat these steps until it crashes
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| 09:36 | in the browser
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| 09:37 | <laga> ah. yeah, i noticed that as well..
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| 09:37 | (i listen to a lot of music on youtube ;)
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| 09:39 | <asac> it doesn't take many attempts here
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| 09:39 | sometimes it crashes when going back and forward two times
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| 09:39 | <warren> asac: with or without nspluginwrapper?
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| 09:39 | <ogra_cmpc> wb vagrantc
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| 09:39 | <asac> warren: without
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| 09:39 | <warren> asac: where is your libflashsupport source?
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| 09:40 | asac: what version of pulse?
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| 09:40 | <asac> warren: its in hardy. but upstream people also did build from source and saw that
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| 09:40 | <warren> I have no idea what hardy is.
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| 09:40 | <asac> let e check
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| 09:40 | warren: http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/225#comment:4
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| 09:40 | that ticket looks really similar
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| 09:41 | warren: 0.9.10-1ubuntu1 (pulseaudio)
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| 09:41 | <vagrantc> warren: hardy is the upcoming ubuntu release
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| 09:41 | ogra_cmpc: greetings!
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| 09:41 | <asac> warren: please try to just reproduce. chances are hight that youll see the crash
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| 09:41 | <warren> weird, now I have flash sound but no video
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| 09:41 | <asac> hehe
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| 09:42 | <ogra_cmpc> warren, we use the upstream tarball together with https://code.launchpad.net/~crimsun/libflashsupport-pulse/devel
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| 09:42 | <warren> hmm, that does indeed crash it
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| 09:42 | <asac> warren: the libflashsupport source is: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/libflashsupport/1.9-0ubuntu1/+files/libflashsupport_1.9.orig.tar.gz
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| 09:42 | <warren> asac: it behaves a little different in nspluginwrapper but it does crash.
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| 09:43 | <asac> warren: we have one patch on top of that in the package but disabling that doesn't change a thing
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| 09:43 | <warren> you suspect it is a problem in flash itself or libflashsupport?
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| 09:43 | <ogra_cmpc> not as long as you dont use ssl encryption i guess :)
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| 09:43 | <asac> warren: yeah ... i am aware that it crashes both archs. at least someone using amd64 pointed this out initially
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| 09:43 | <warren> asac: since Fedora 8 we use nspluginwrapper even on i386 since it protects the browser from these frequent crashes
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| 09:44 | <asac> warren: i think the cause is libflashsupport ... it might be that it just reveals a bug in flash/firefo
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| 09:44 | <warren> asac: ever since our browser almost never crashes and users never blame the browser anymore.
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| 09:44 | <asac> without libflashsupport we don't get those crashes
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| 09:44 | <warren> we do have crashes without libflashsupport + pulse
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| 09:44 | <asac> warren: good idea. ill consider putting pluginwrapper in between
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| 09:45 | warren: well, of course you have crashes. flash crashes in all occassions. but this particular crash only happens with flashsupport
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| 09:45 | and its really a big blocker
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| 09:45 | as it crashes on the most common use case: youtube
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| 09:45 | <warren> https://code.launchpad.net/~crimsun/libflashsupport-pulse/devel
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| 09:45 | you build libflashsupport with gnutls? isn't that a direct license violation?
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| 09:46 | <ogra_cmpc> of which license ?
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| 09:46 | <warren> GPL?
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| 09:46 | <ogra_cmpc> of which code
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| 09:46 | <warren> oh right, you folks have a different set of morals
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| 09:46 | <ogra_cmpc> ???
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| 09:47 | * ogra_cmpc doesnt understand which license of which code warren is referring to | |
| 09:47 | <warren> https://code.launchpad.net/~crimsun/libflashsupport-pulse/devel
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| 09:47 | <ogra_cmpc> yes, i see that patch ... what exactly does it violate
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| 09:48 | <warren> you're linking to gnutls to provide a conduit to proprietary software?
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| 09:48 | this at least isn't a license violation for openssl
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| 09:48 | <asac> warren: openssl is not compatible with GPL, yes.
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| 09:49 | i didn't add that patch and i haven't investigated licensing ;)
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| 09:52 | <warren> I don't see where to download or bzr get the source of this
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| 09:52 | <asac> warren: sorry, what exactly do you want?
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| 09:52 | <ogra_cmpc> there is no branch yet
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| 09:52 | <asac> i posted the tarball
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| 09:52 | <warren> asac: the source of libflashsupport that you are using
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| 09:52 | <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/libflashsupport/1.9-0ubuntu1/+files/libflashsupport_1.9.orig.tar.gz
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| 09:52 | <ogra_cmpc> the 30 lines of patch is all there is
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| 09:52 | <warren> oh
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| 09:52 | <asac> thats the source
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| 09:53 | <warren> ogra_cmpc: patch on top of what though? there's 30 different forks out there
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| 09:53 | <asac> we only have that gnutls patch, but not using that doesn't change a thing
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| 09:53 | <warren> there is no "1.9" upstream version
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| 09:53 | there is no upstream
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| 09:54 | <asac> warren: do you know where libflashsupport originated? the license looks like that adobe gave birth to it ... but now its hosted at pulseaudio or something
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| 09:54 | hmm
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| 09:54 | <warren> asac: adobe wrote the first version then abandoned it
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| 09:54 | ever since there's been forks of it everywhere
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| 09:54 | <asac> ok ... i guess we are using the pulseaudio release
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| 09:54 | <warren> with no version numbers or upstream authority
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| 09:54 | <asac> but let me check if there is more info in our copyright
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| 09:54 | <asac> ogra_cmpc: where did you get that tarball from?
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| 09:55 | <ogra_cmpc> from crimsun
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| 09:55 | <asac> warren: what i see is: for sound output of Flash 9 with pulseaudio
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| 09:55 | oops
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| 09:55 | http://git.0pointer.de/?p=libflashsupport.git;a=summary
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| 09:55 | thats
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| 09:55 | what is documented at least
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| 09:59 | <warren> asac: yeah, we're using this code as of September 4th
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| 09:59 | <ogra_cmpc> asac, oh
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| 09:59 | <asac> warren: did you read the ticket i pointed to?
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| 09:59 | <ogra_cmpc> http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-pulseaudio/flashplugin-nonfree-pulse.git
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| 09:59 | <warren> asac: where did the 1.9 version number come from?
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| 09:59 | <ogra_cmpc> seems debian edu has done some work as well
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| 09:59 | <asac> for sound output of Flash 9 with pulseaudio
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| 09:59 | damn
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| 10:00 | sorry my paste finger is a bit nervous today
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| 10:00 | <ogra_cmpc> but doesnt seem like they have any fixes
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| 10:01 | <warren> where did 1.9 come from?
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| 10:01 | <ogra_cmpc> no idea
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| 10:04 | <asac> warren: do you see a diff of the tarball above and the version you use?
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| 10:04 | otoh, as you see the crash as well i doubt it
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| 10:05 | <warren> the crash is less consistent here
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| 10:05 | <ogra_cmpc> yeah i really think its flash
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| 10:05 | <warren> but we're 100% in nspluginwrapper
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| 10:05 | it might not be an apples to apples comparison
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| 10:05 | asac: flash 9.0.124.0?
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| 10:05 | <asac> yes. the latest version shows this behaviour and the version before did as well
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| 10:40 | <vagrantc> well, i didn't work on the LDM_SESSION stuff on the train, but i did get the cdpinger/ltspfsd from udev working pretty good: bzr get http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltspfs/ltspfs-udev-cdpinger
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| 10:44 | <ogra_cmpc> slacker
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| 10:44 | you should have done both !
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| 10:44 | :)
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| 10:48 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: let's assume my nbdrootd is runnong on port 2001. do i have to specify nbdport in /var/lib/tftpboot../pxelinux.cfg/default or is it auto-detected somehow when the client boots?
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| 10:48 | <ogra_cmpc> ltsp-update-image should have set it up for you
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| 10:49 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: thought as much. but it hasn't :/
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| 10:50 | oh.
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| 10:50 | * laga scratches head | |
| 10:53 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: it seems to me that ltsp-update-image sets up /opt/ltsp/amd64//etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf while ltsp-update-kernels wants to read /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf. i guess something is wrong there?
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| 10:54 | <ogra_cmpc> nope
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| 10:54 | there is an in-chroot bit as well
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| 11:03 | <vagrantc> the update-kernels hooks is a crazy zoo that needs to be set free
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| 11:03 | release the lions and elephants, and let's start over.
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| 11:05 | * ogra_cmpc wants a cage first ... | |
| 11:05 | <ogra_cmpc> (to sit in until they are gone)
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| 11:21 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: since there's no DND sign on your cage: it looks like ltsp-update-image updates /opt/ltsp/amd64//etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf in 095-update-image. but because there's no subsequent ltsp-update-kernels run, the pxelinux config is not updated.
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| 11:21 | ogra_cmpc: at least that's what i think ;)
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| 11:23 | ogra_cmpc: another (additional) problem is that while /opt/ltsp/amd64//etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf is written, /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ltsp-update-kernels never runs unless you update the kernel. so even if you run ltsp-update-kernels outside the chroot, it'll still get the old config
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| 11:24 | <ogra_cmpc> which is moot since every run of update-initramfs (i.e. on kernel package instalation) will trigger it
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| 11:26 | its used by kernel packages and update-initramfs ... ltsp-update-kernels should only be used to get the new kernel in place
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> update-initramfs doesn't trigger it on debian
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| 11:30 | though maybe in the future
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| 11:30 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ltsp-update-kernels needs to run at least once after ltsp-update-image in 095-update-image is run, otherwise $CHROOT/boot/pxelinux.cfg/default is not updated.
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| 11:31 | <ogra_cmpc> ??
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| 11:31 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: okay. let me rephrase.
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| 11:31 | <ogra_cmpc> i wonder why it works on gutsy then :)
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| 11:32 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: it doesnt work on hardy
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| 11:32 | for me, with my mythbuntu plugin. which shouldn't change that part of LTSP
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| 11:32 | <ogra_cmpc> vagrantc, /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ isnt parsed on debian ???
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| 11:35 | <warren> hmm, /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ is new in fedora 9
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| 11:35 | I'm not sure how it works yet
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| 11:35 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: only on kernel postinst, not on update-initramfs
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| 11:35 | <warren> only package using it is dell's add-ons
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| 11:36 | vagrantc: you use /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ to trigger update-kernels?
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| 11:36 | <ogra_cmpc> vagrantc, hmm, i thought that was integrated into update-initramfs
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| 11:37 | <warren> /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ is part of what exactly?
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| 11:37 | what do you use it for?
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| 11:37 | when does it trigger?
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| 11:38 | <ogra_cmpc> its parsed and executed by trhe kernel package on install
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| 11:38 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: a quick & dirty solution would be calling $CHROOT/etc/kernel/postinst.d/ltsp-update-kernels to add BOOTPROMPT_OPTS from update-kernels.conf to $CHROOT/boot/pxelinux.cfg/default. afterwards, running ltsp-update-kernels outside the chroot will copy the kernels into place
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| 11:38 | ogra_cmpc: could be added to another plugin maybe, dunno
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| 11:38 | <ogra_cmpc> laga, in ltsp-update-image ?
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| 11:38 | <vagrantc> warren: on debian /etc/kernel/post*.d/ltsp-update-kernels is a symlink to /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels
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| 11:38 | <ogra_cmpc> or where exactly
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| 11:38 | <vagrantc> warren: in the kernel postinst or postrm scripts, it gets executed.
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| 11:38 | <warren> vagrantc: oh, cool
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| 11:39 | <vagrantc> i basically got it to the point that you could actually configure it such that ltsp-update-kernels server-side wasn't needed.
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| 11:40 | by somehow pointing your tftp to the chroot's /boot directory
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| 11:40 | but it's an ugly mess, and i'd like to start over at some point.
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| 11:41 | ltsp-update-kernels used to call $CHROOT/usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels ... but that was removed by sbalneav or ogra at some point.
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| 11:44 | <warren> I guess I can soon use /etc/kernel/post*.d/ltsp-update-kernels too
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| 11:44 | but I want to rewrite update-kernels first
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| 11:44 | I really don't like set -x
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| 11:44 | I mean set -e
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| 11:47 | <ogra_cmpc> warren, thats a standard in debian scripts
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| 11:47 | <warren> why?
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| 11:47 | is it wrong to check return values and print error messages?
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| 11:50 | <vagrantc> is it wrong to do both?
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| 11:50 | <warren> uh
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| 11:51 | if you have set -e, wont a non-zero return code make it fail before it checks it?
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| 11:51 | in the next line
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| 11:51 | <vagrantc> depends on how you check.
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| 11:51 | <ogra_cmpc> Shell scripts (sh and bash) should almost certainly start with set -e so that errors are detected. Every script should use set -e or check the exit status of every command.
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| 11:51 | from debian policy
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| 11:52 | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html
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| 11:52 | <vagrantc> at any rate, it's better to not blindly proceed forward if an error is encountered. how you actually handle that is the issue.
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| 11:52 | <warren> hmm
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| 11:55 | <ogra_cmpc> why oh why doesnt my virtualbox like me today
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| 11:55 | grmbl
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| 11:56 | * vagrantc is dealing with new insane recommends for devscripts: http://bugs.debian.org/474727 | |
| 11:57 | <ogra_cmpc> vagrantc, tell him to just not use aptitude :)
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| 11:58 | <vagrantc> same problem with apt-get
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| 11:58 | as apt-get installs recommends by default
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| 11:58 | <ogra_cmpc> ugh, since when ?
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| 11:58 | <vagrantc> the got it down from installing 199 extra packages to only 53.
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| 11:58 | ogra_cmpc: probably 6 months or so
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| 11:58 | <ogra_cmpc> we made that change only for metapackages in ubuntu
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| 11:58 | <vagrantc> maybe only 4
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| 11:59 | i think it is correct behavior to have recommends installed by default.
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| 11:59 | the only difference between recommends and dependencies is it should be possible to install without satisfying all recommends.
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| 12:00 | <ogra_cmpc> more important is that you can remove unwanted deps with it
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| 12:00 | and only keep the essential bits for minor operation
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| 12:01 | <vagrantc> but because recommends *haven't* been handled properly for so long, there's lots of packages that recommend on crufy needlessly
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| 12:01 | s,cufy,cruft,
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| 12:01 | oh hell, you know what i mean. :)
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| 12:01 | <ogra_cmpc> yeah
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| 12:02 | we had that fun at the beginning of hardy
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| 12:02 | <vagrantc> problem is devscripts promoted all of their suggests to recommends recently. which is pulling in esound and X and other crufy.
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| 12:02 | cruft.
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| 12:02 | <ogra_cmpc> but luckily only for the metapackages
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| 12:06 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: well, i guess the problem needs to be fixed in ltsp-update-image, so modifiying an existing plugin or adding another one would be the most sensible approach
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| 12:11 | <ogra_cmpc> laga, somewhere i dont get the logic of that sentence ...
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| 12:11 | s/somewhere/somehow
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| 12:12 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: that's ok, i've been incoherent all day long.
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| 12:12 | <ogra_cmpc> it should be fixed in ltsp-update-image so we add a new plugin ?
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| 12:12 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: add a new plugin OR modify an existing plugin, eg 095-update-image
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| 12:13 | <ogra_cmpc> well, why not just call it directly from ltsp-update-image ?
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| 12:14 | juswt adding a "chroot $CHROOT /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ltsp-update-kernels" should suffice, right ?
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| 12:14 | th eplugin only gets executed at build time
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| 12:14 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: chroot $CHROOT /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ltsp-update-kernels && ltsp-update-kernels
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| 12:14 | <ogra_cmpc> err, wait
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| 12:14 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: the problem only occurs at build time.
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| 12:16 | <ogra_cmpc> hmm
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| 12:16 | <laga> it's "apply changes, modify config file" instead of the other way around
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| 12:20 | <ogra_cmpc> ok, added to 095-update-image right before /proc is unmounted
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| 12:21 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: feel hugged. :)
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| 12:22 | ogra_cmpc: i'll get that debdiff to you later tonight, still have to debug something here
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| 12:22 | <ogra_cmpc> damned, do you remember th ebug number from the update-rc.d breakage ?
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| 12:22 | laga, well, i can move the fi five lines down ...
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| 12:23 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: i'd like to fix the update-rc.d calls so updates wont break it
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| 12:23 | <ogra_cmpc> indeed if you want to clean up the update-rc.d stuff that needs a debdiff
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| 12:23 | but i.d like to haqve installable CDs tomorrow :)
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| 12:23 | <laga> i've actually spent too much time on it already so it has to go in ;)
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| 12:24 | <ogra_cmpc> freeze is tomorrow ...
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| 12:24 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: do you install l-r-m in the chroot?
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| 12:24 | <ogra_cmpc> nope
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| 12:24 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: yes, give me another hour or so.
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| 12:25 | <ogra_cmpc> deliberately not
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| 12:25 | it eats about 30M or so
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| 12:25 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: okay. because i do and it mounts /opt/ltsp/amd64/lib/modules/2.6.24-15-generic/volatile which is rather annoying ;)
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| 12:25 | ah, right.
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| 12:25 | <ogra_cmpc> right, thats what occupies your ram
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| 12:26 | <laga> i guess there's a reason why it's on a ram disk
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| 12:26 | <ogra_cmpc> licensing afaik
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| 12:26 | <laga> stupid licenses taking away my RAM.
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| 12:26 | <ogra_cmpc> heh
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| 12:27 | <laga> well, giving up 30M is better than having people complaining that their tv-out doesnt work
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| 12:27 | <ogra_cmpc> #ubunt-kernel could tell you more :)
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| 12:27 | *ubuntu
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| 12:28 | <laga> no, i'm sure there's a good reason and i'd rather have people work on $stuff instead of answering my silly questions one day before rc freeze :)
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| 12:31 | <ogra_cmpc> well, kernel might have a different deadline
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| 12:31 | not sure they fall under RC freeze with kernel fixes
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| 12:32 | they might work towards the RC CD though
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| 12:32 | <laga> oh, about the mount. i thought you suggested i complain about the ram disk ;)
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| 12:48 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: just found my problem. forgot a "chroot $CHROOT" somewhere
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| 12:48 | which means i get to clean /etc/rc*.d manually on this box
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| 13:13 | <warren> vagrantc: doesn't your /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ give parameters as $1 and $2 to the scripts?
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| 13:13 | vagrantc: (why does update-kernels do it for all kernels?)
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| 13:23 | <vagrantc> warren: yes, it passes some arguments indicating which version is being installed and such. exactly what $1 or $2 does, i don't recall off the top of my head.
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| 13:24 | <warren> vagrantc: if that's the case, then why does update-kernels loop through all?
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| 13:24 | <vagrantc> warren: i don't remember, but there was a reason.
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| 13:24 | <warren> mind if I change it to it only to the one specified by args if args are supplied, otherwise loop through all?
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| 13:25 | <vagrantc> well, assuming that the arguments are the passing the same information ... i guess that would be ok. but i'm thinking it's still missing something.
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| 13:26 | <warren> well I'll experiment with it...
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| 13:26 | <vagrantc> overall, i would rather see a complete re-write than breaking what's there now.
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| 13:26 | <elisboa> sono...
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| 13:26 | <warren> OK, I'll do that then.
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| 13:26 | I'll use the rewrite, then we can bring it back into common again
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| 13:27 | <vagrantc> sounds perfect.
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| 13:30 | <warren> vagrantc: apparently the documentation doesn't guarnatee that DHCP root-path option is NFS, and apparently iscsi spec uses root-path as well, although I don't see an implementation of it yet.
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| 13:31 | vagrantc: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ips/current/msg02406.html
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> yeah, i'm not so against using root-path for something other than NFS ... if you've got multiple things on the same network, you probably need to send them different information via DHCP anyways.
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| 13:32 | <warren> yeah
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| 13:32 | apparently I was misled by different opinions back then
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| 13:33 | vagrantc: so apparently we should still write an IETF RFC, but it will just specify the standard format for root-path nbd:
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| 13:33 | <vagrantc> jammcq: just re-sent my email regarding LTSP hackfest in july pre/post oscon
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| 13:33 | warren: that would be nice!
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| 13:42 | <vagrantc> speaking of nbd, the last upload to debian fixed 4 of my wishlist bugs :) http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/n/nbd/current/changelog
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| 13:43 | <warren> "New '-c' option to check whether a device is active" yes!!!
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| 13:43 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 13:43 | requires linux 2.6.24+, i think
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| 13:44 | <warren> not a problem here =)
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| 13:45 | <vagrantc> figured i'd at least mention it, though
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| 13:45 | warren: so, i'm wondering how to coordinate between our various translation teams ...
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| 13:45 | <warren> vagrantc: doesn't appear that we have an easy way
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| 13:45 | vagrantc: given that every distro has their own distro-centric translation system
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| 13:45 | <vagrantc> warren: i'm sort of thinking that we just point them all at each other and have them figure out how they want to handle it.
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| 13:46 | <vagrantc> oh, i guess i'm still thinking that there's teams of people working on it, but that isn't really always the case.
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| 13:49 | warren: also, when klausade was working on the norwegian bokmal translation, he noticed that some strings were basically identical that really should probably be exactly identical ... i.e. the user interface reports an error one way, and then ldm logs the error a different way ...
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| 13:49 | <warren> yeah
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| 13:49 | that needs to be cleaned up upstream first
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| 13:49 | <vagrantc> that could probably cut the strings down by 1/3rd, and even possibly make the code a little simpler.
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| 13:54 | * warren can't remember why he built a 32bit nbd-client in the 64bit package... | |
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| 14:07 | <warren> vagrantc: huh? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471591
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| 14:07 | vagrantc: you already use dhcp root-path?
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> klausade: i just can't forget one of the happier moments of my life: walking out of the fancy hotel restaurant barefoot, with a glass of wine in one hand, and a full bottle in the other ...
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| 14:08 | warren: that just gets next-server
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| 14:08 | <warren> oh
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| 14:08 | next-server is only IP address?
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> warren: right
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| 14:09 | <warren> vagrantc: is the usual purpose of next-server?
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> warren: well, next-server is when you have DHCP and tftp hosted on different servers.
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| 14:10 | warren: unless you're doing weird stuff, tftp and NFS/NBD will be on the same machine.
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| 14:11 | <vagrantc> warren: the dhcp client used, klibc's ipmasq, goes so far as to call it $ROOTSERVER ...
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| 14:15 | warren: it wouldn't be hard to patch initramfs-tools to get the nbd port from root-path either ...
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| 14:17 | <warren> vagrantc: let's define a standard for root-path syntax first
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> well sure :)
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| 14:24 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/214481
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| 14:24 | ogra_cmpc: hope this patch will cause less yelling ;)
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| 14:25 | * vagrantc watches ltsp hit #7 in the buildd queue | |
| 14:25 | <vagrantc> will actually have ltsp, ldm and ltspfs all in sync between debian testing and unstable ... for a few minutes :)
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| 14:39 | <Gadi> warren: next-server is also needed if you use IP-helper subnets
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| 14:40 | to identify to the tftp client where to grab stuff
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| 14:40 | <warren> IP-helper subnets?
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| 14:41 | what does this mean?
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| 14:41 | <Gadi> ip-helper is a function on cisco routers to route broadcast dhcp requests across subnets
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| 14:41 | well, broadcast requests in general
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| 14:41 | and is not limited to cisco
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| 14:42 | :)
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| 14:42 | just, afaik, all cisco routers have the capability
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| 14:42 | <warren> ok
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| 14:42 | <Gadi> its for larger deployments
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| 15:11 | * johnny builds a chroot from scratch | |
| 15:13 | <cliebow> go johnny go....go
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| 15:14 | * johnny doubts it will be finish up completely the 2nd time either | |
| 15:14 | <johnny> first time.. an upstreams snapshot got removed, so i had to bump the version of our kernel generator
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| 15:15 | <cliebow> ;-]
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| 15:15 | <johnny> so.. now the kernel is building
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| 15:18 | * vagrantc releases a few versions while johnny builds a kernel | |
| 15:18 | <johnny> vagrantc, i have some issues with ldm from scratch
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| 15:18 | LDM_THEME is not set ?
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> should default to /usr/share/ldm/themes/default
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| 15:19 | <johnny> but ldm only distributes ltsp
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> well, on debian/ubuntu that symlink is a configurable symlink to whatever your selected theme is
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| 15:20 | <johnny> but it should be able to work out of the box imo
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> maybe it should fall back to the ltsp theme in absence of any other theme.
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| 15:20 | <johnny> yes :)
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> so fix it :P
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| 15:21 | <johnny> my C fu is weak.. i'll see what i can do
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| 15:21 | i like to talk about things before jumping right in anyways :)
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> mine is too, and i've managed to do all sorts of evil with ldm and ltspfs :)
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| 15:21 | <johnny> there goes the kernel
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| 15:22 | building a kernel takes no more than 15 on this default config.. i haven't tweaked it at all yet
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| 15:22 | logger.
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> speaking of loggers ... sounds like debian may switch to rsyslog by default
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| 15:23 | <johnny> yeah.. i'll look into that at some point
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| 15:23 | i'm just going with what i have working now
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| 15:23 | which is syslog-ng
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| 15:25 | vagrantc, did you notice that i have ldm working now?
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| 15:25 | i don't know if you were here
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> johnny: yay!
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| 15:26 | <johnny> so.. now i'm testing a from scratch chroot build
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| 15:27 | altho it doesn't handle the /var/lib/tftpboot stuff yet
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| 15:27 | nor nbd
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| 15:27 | <vagrantc> nbd is over-rated.
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| 15:27 | tftp is a necessary evil.
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| 15:27 | <johnny> there must be a reason it is used right?
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| 15:28 | <vagrantc> it's a bit faster than NFS ...
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| 15:28 | <johnny> logger done, now updating the system target
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| 15:28 | X is gonna be the annoying part..
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| 15:28 | <vagrantc> but because you have to regenerate the NBD image for nearly every change, i wouldn't want to use it during development.
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| 15:29 | <johnny> yes.. truly now
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| 15:29 | err not
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> how'd you get LDM without X ?
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| 15:29 | <johnny> i did have X
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| 15:29 | <johnny> i built a basic chroot.. and just kept updating my installer script forall the modifcations i made locally to get it to work
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| 15:29 | and now i'm installing it from scratch
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| 15:30 | <stgraber> vagrantc: nbd just exports a block device, you can use an ext3 image if you like :)
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| 15:30 | <johnny> stgraber, he uses ext2..
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| 15:30 | ok.. 30 packages to upgrade..
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| 15:31 | <vagrantc> stgraber: yes, i have a plugin to generate an ext2 image... but modifying the NBD image directly while other thing shave it mounted is ... evil.
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| 15:31 | <vagrantc> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=20080409183034.GH26187%40ryukin.fglan
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| 15:34 | <johnny> c'mon gnu MIRROR
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| 15:37 | <johnny> lame.. the mirror script didn't check any other mirror.. just the same one :(
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| 15:37 | i manually downloaded it and injected it forn ow
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| 16:17 | <johnny> fail.. let's try again..
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| 16:17 | missed a few things
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| 17:17 | <johnny> ok.. xorg and friends are building :)
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| 18:56 | <cesar_> hi
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| 18:56 | people
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| 18:56 | <cesar_> i have problems with local devices in WS
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| 18:57 | <cesar_> i can check in a troubleshoting
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| 18:58 | i pass nine points of this troubleshooting
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| 18:59 | i can pass step ten
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| 18:59 | this is the point to pass
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| 18:59 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Step_10_Does_your_DISPLAY_variab
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| 19:00 | my distro in the TS is this
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| 19:01 | Linux ltsp 2.6.18-5-amd64
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| 19:03 | and the version of ltsp package in my debian is ltsp-4.2
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| 19:04 | when i execute this "echo $DISPLAY"
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| 19:04 | i don't see anything in the screen
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| 19:07 | i need see "ws002:0.0" when i execute "echo $DISPLAY" on the WS terminal but this not appear thee
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| 19:07 | there
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| 19:29 | <johnny> i don't know anything about ltsp4
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| 19:29 | UGGH.. portage mirrors are really bad today
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| 19:35 | <cesar_> ok..
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| 19:36 | <cesar_> i could pass nine steps but in step ten
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| 19:37 | i can't get information with "echo $DISPLAY" in the WS
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| 19:38 | the information have say me something that "ws002.ltsp:0.0" but nothing is showed on the screen
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| 19:41 | and.. i can see in the desktop of the workstation client a icon what apparently have mounted the floppy drive .. but when i try see the content of this drive i do double click over this and konqueror is opened but ... anything is into the floppy drive.. the floppy is empty
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| 19:43 | i don't know how to fix that.. i was finding in google and forums for a answer what help me but.. i didn't find anything
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| 19:44 | although other devices are working.. for example i can configure a laser printer and i could print without problems
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| 19:49 | ok... i am thinking what doing now.. what can i trying to fix that
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| 19:50 | but.. i don't find the response
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| 19:50 | <vagrantc> be patient
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| 19:50 | <cesar_> :-)
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| 19:50 | yes.. but.. i was finding a lot on google
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| 19:51 | and i didn't find anything.. nothing is clear
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| 19:51 | is a big mistery... :-)
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| 19:51 | * vagrantc missed the beginning | |
| 19:52 | <vagrantc> cesar_: basically, local devices aren't working for you?
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| 19:52 | <cesar_> yes
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| 19:52 | <vagrantc> cesar_: what linux distro and release?
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| 19:52 | <cesar_> on the server?
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| 19:52 | <vagrantc> well, we'll start with that, yes.
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| 19:53 | <cesar_> Linux ltsp 2.6.18-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Dec 22 20:43:59 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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| 19:53 | <vagrantc> what linux distro?
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| 19:53 | <cesar_> debian
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| 19:53 | <vagrantc> what release?
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| 19:53 | etch?
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| 19:54 | !vers
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| 19:54 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "vers" is not a valid command.
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| 19:54 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search ver
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| 19:54 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'serversize' and 'ver'
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| 19:54 | <vagrantc> !ver
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| 19:54 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2 $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2 $3}'
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| 19:54 | <cesar_> yes
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| 19:55 | <vagrantc> cesar_: please try that command and paste the output to the pastebot:
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| 19:55 | !pastebot
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| 19:55 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 19:56 | <cesar_> vagrantc: what command ?
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| 19:56 | <vagrantc> !ver
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| 19:56 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2 $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2 $3}'
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| 19:58 | <ltsppbot> "cesar_" pasted ""ver"" (3 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/501
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| 19:58 | <cesar_> http://pastebot.ltsp.org/501
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| 19:58 | <vagrantc> cesar_: the ltsppbot will tell us :)
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| 19:59 | cesar_: looks like you've installed ltspfs from lenny or sid
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| 19:59 | <cesar_> yes.. i've just see that.. great.. i didn't knew that
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| 19:59 | <vagrantc> cesar_: also, i have no idea how ltsp 4.x (which is what ltsp-utils creates) works with that version of ltspfs, which was made for working with ltsp 5
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| 19:59 | <cesar_> sorry.. my distro is lenny
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| 20:00 | <vagrantc> ltsp-utils isn't in lenny, so you're using some of both.
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| 20:00 | <cesar_> ohhh .. i installed this package because
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| 20:00 | is a package .deb
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| 20:01 | <vagrantc> !debian
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| 20:01 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 20:02 | <cesar_> yes..... well.. so i need see this page now
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| 20:02 | <vagrantc> ltsp-server can be used to create an LTSP installation out of debian packages.
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| 20:02 | which is the ltsp 5 style of doing things.
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| 20:03 | cesar_: you'll probably want to look at the Howto mentioned there.
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| 20:03 | <cesar_> well.. i will try fix this installation
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| 20:03 | <vagrantc> if you must...
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| 20:03 | it's basically unsupported
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| 20:04 | <cesar_> :-(
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| 20:04 | so...... this is a big problem
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| 20:04 | <vagrantc> you're stuck in 2006, i think.
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| 20:05 | i think that's the last release of ltsp 4.x
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| 20:05 | <cesar_> :-/
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| 20:05 | <vagrantc> there's active work on ltsp5
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| 20:06 | in fact, a new version of ltsp-server should hit lenny within the next couple days :)
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| 20:06 | <cesar_> of course.. all say wath i need change my version of ltsp
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| 20:11 | vagrantc: thank you for your advice
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| 20:12 | i will think what do with that
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| 20:12 | bye
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| 20:12 | <vagrantc> some of the ltsp5 developers for debian are also brazillian
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| 20:12 | although they're not as active anymore
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| 20:13 | <cesar_> but brazilians ...
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| 20:13 | i don't know yours works
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| 20:13 | <vagrantc> oh, your error message was in spanish :)
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| 20:13 | <cesar_> and i don't know portugeis language
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| 20:14 | i prefer read information in spanish or english
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| 20:14 | <vagrantc> halbo un poco
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| 20:14 | <cesar_> but not in portugeis
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| 20:15 | <vagrantc> yes, i understand now.
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| 20:15 | <cesar_> yes.. you speak some words of spanish
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| 20:15 | <vagrantc> entiendo.
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| 20:16 | <cesar_> the developers of Brasil write man and information in portugeis
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| 20:16 | 90 %
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| 20:16 | <vagrantc> si.
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| 20:16 | <cesar_> and 10% remember write for the rest of the world
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| 20:16 | :-D
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| 20:16 | <vagrantc> cesar_: i mis-read your error message and thought it was portuguese. lo siento.
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| 20:17 | <cesar_> no no.. my message error
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| 20:17 | was in spanish
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| 20:17 | <vagrantc> si, entiendo ahora.
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| 20:17 | <cesar_> argie-spanish
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| 20:17 | :-D
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| 20:17 | yes..
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| 20:17 | yo tambien entiendo
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| 20:18 | <vagrantc> espero voy a argentina en augusto.
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| 20:18 | <cesar_> vagrantc :where are you from?
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| 20:18 | in august?
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| 20:18 | for Cafeconf?
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| 20:18 | <vagrantc> cesar_: yes, the debian conference is in mar del plata.
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| 20:18 | <cesar_> in Cafeconf in Buenos Aires?
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| 20:18 | ohh.. yes
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| 20:19 | <vagrantc> don't know about cafeconf
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| 20:19 | <cesar_> debian developers metting
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| 20:19 | Cafeconf are forum about free software in Buenos Aires
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| 20:20 | and .. in two or three days in Cafeconf you can hear a lot of types of conferences
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| 20:20 | <vagrantc> cesar_: you from buenos aires ?
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| 20:20 | <cesar_> no.. i am from Santa Fe city in Santa Fe province
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| 20:20 | :-D
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| 20:20 | this is my blog
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| 20:21 | * vagrantc has been to santa fe ... santa fe, new mexico | |
| 20:21 | <cesar_> cesarediaz.blogspot.com
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| 20:21 | no no..this is in Argentina
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| 20:21 | <vagrantc> yes, i know. :)
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| 20:21 | <cesar_> i think there are three cities with name 'Santa Fe' in the world
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| 20:22 | or maybe there are other
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| 20:22 | and i don't know
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| 20:43 | <supreme> hi all
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| 20:56 | <supreme> hi
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| 20:56 | I finally discovered the problem with session restarting in a intel chipset !!!
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| 20:56 | <warren> ?
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| 20:56 | <supreme> it's caused by e1000 module
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| 20:57 | warren, i got an 'Corrupted mac on input' in auth.log after randomly restart xsession in terminals
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| 20:57 | <warren> supreme: oh, that could be the power saving bug from the BIOS
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| 20:57 | <supreme> :o
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| 20:57 | <warren> supreme: newer kernels "fixed" that by turning off one type of power management that never did work right
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| 20:58 | talk to your own distro's kernel people to see if they fixed it
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| 20:58 | <supreme> actually i got this error with edubuntu 7.10
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| 20:58 | in an intel mobo
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| 20:58 | <warren> I don't care =)
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| 20:58 | I'm just stating that was one possible cause of that error for e1000
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| 20:59 | <supreme> i tell you cause you tell me that this problem could be fixed by newer kernels
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| 20:59 | <warren> I have no idea what 7.10 is
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| 20:59 | <supreme> edubuntu...
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| 20:59 | <vagrantc> released in the 10th month of 2007
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| 21:00 | <warren> yeah, I think this kernel bug was fixed late 2007
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| 21:00 | it *could* be something else
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| 21:01 | <supreme> there's a way to fix it disabling something in bios?
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| 21:02 | what do you think warren ?
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| 21:04 | <warren> supreme: the machines I saw, there was no way
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| 21:05 | supreme: at the time there were several different proposed patches to fix it from various places
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| 21:05 | supreme: they all involved rebuilding the kernel though
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| 21:06 | <supreme> hummmm
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| 21:07 | that is a critical problem :S
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| 22:21 | <johnny> dberkholz, i'm testing a from scratch chroot now
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| 22:21 | i keep having troubles with file downloads tho
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| 22:22 | makes me think we should do some -f first
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| 22:22 | i've found a few bugs in the process, i didn't unmask openrc correct, and i had to add the cups use flag
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| 22:22 | so updated profile is forthcoming
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| 22:31 | or rather.. negate the cups use flag :)
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