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Channel log from 2 April 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:08 | <gnunux> hi
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| 10:12 | <alkisg> !seen sbalneav
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| 10:12 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 0 days, 20 hours, 42 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <sbalneav> No "process" magic.
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| 10:12 | <highvoltage> shew
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| 10:26 | <johnny> yes.. i need to talk to him too alkisg ..
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| 12:26 | <epaphus2> hi all. :)
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| 13:01 | <vagrantc> lxde looks to be the first distro to support LTSP_LOGOUT_ACTION http://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=lxde/lxsession;a=commit;h=d2508534100fddbac931fa60e3b989ae54ddf147
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| 13:01 | :)
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| 13:01 | distro ... desktop environment. heh.
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| 13:13 | stgraber: any plans to incorporate the last few patches in ltsp-trunk in ubuntu? or is ubuntu not affected by the problem?
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| 14:40 | * Gadi grumbles about how horribly broken rdesktop is .... | |
| 14:40 | <vagrantc> Gadi: awww.
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| 14:41 | good thing you're our resident expert! :)
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| 14:41 | <Gadi> I know, I know - u could care less
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| 14:41 | :)
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| 14:41 | Im not talking about ltsp's screen scripts - Im talking about things like seamlessrdp
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| 14:41 | that are supposed to work but don't
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| 14:41 | <vagrantc> well, it actually seems like a common use-case for ltsp... as bizarre as it may be. so it is important.
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| 14:42 | <Gadi> well, rdesktop keeps falling behind features introduced by newer versions of rdp, too
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| 14:42 | so, it just makes things more broken as time goes on
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| 14:42 | <vagrantc> right, which is part of the difficulty keeping up with an intentionally moving target
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| 14:44 | <Gadi> hehe - not like the various OSS projects keep up with each other
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> well, that's unintentionally moving targets
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| 14:45 | eternalIncompatibilityKit
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| 14:50 | <Gadi> well, with seamlessRDP broken, on to find a planB for launching windows apps from a WTS as an icon on a Linux desktop....
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| 14:50 | :P
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| 14:57 | <nubae_> oh Gadi.... those sbs things finally arrived at Guadalinex R and D
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| 14:57 | hehehe
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| 14:58 | 4 months late, but they are there now
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> ur kidding me
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| 14:59 | lol
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| 14:59 | <nubae_> how would one go about testing the control panel aspect of them if there is such a thing
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> well, has the opportunity past by us already?
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| 14:59 | *passed
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| 14:59 | <nubae_> heh, I had one sent to me personally so I can make sure it actually gets tested
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| 14:59 | no not at all
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| 15:00 | they are just a but clueless as to what to do with them
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| 15:00 | So I need to write up a report about how they can fit in their existing infrastructure
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| 15:00 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> sbs things?
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| 15:01 | <Gadi> do you have them now or are they on their way to your place?
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| 15:01 | <nubae_> also, I'll make sure one of them makes its way up to Linex in extremadura, where they already have existing ltsp on all their servers and are much more likely to make a deal quickly with ya
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| 15:02 | nope, I have one right here... looking at it right now, nice printing :-) and logo
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| 15:02 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> some newfandangled thin-client?
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| 15:02 | <Gadi> vagrantc: Symbiont Boot Stick
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| 15:03 | (SBS)
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> ah!
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| 15:03 | <nubae_> I started it up and saw the various options but of course, without a server to control/set them up in some way they seem quite useless
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| 15:03 | <Gadi> nubae_: nah - its all self-contained
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| 15:03 | it should boot up to a configuration wizard
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| 15:03 | <nubae_> ok, tell me mor
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| 15:04 | or show me the way to the yellow brick road
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| 15:04 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 15:04 | <nubae_> hmmm, I say no config wizard.... but I booted straight from the stick on a laptop
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| 15:04 | should I be putting it in an already linux installed machine?
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| 15:05 | <Gadi> no - just boot from USB
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| 15:05 | <nubae_> ok, I shall try again, and since u are around iI'll ask questions as it boots
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| 15:05 | if thats ok
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| 15:05 | <Gadi> sure - do you want to priv msg me?
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| 15:05 | its a bit off topic from #ltsp
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| 15:09 | <nubae_> sure thing
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| 15:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey all
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| 15:09 | can somebody tell me what would be the cause of a message which says "unable to mount /cow"? It seems to result in LDM not coming up on clients.
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| 15:10 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: is that the only mount it cannot mount?
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> _UsUrPeR_: well, /cow and /rofs are merged together to create / using aufs ... /cow is the coyp-on-write part of it
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| 15:11 | <Gadi> mooo
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> apt-get moo
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| 15:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi/vagrantc: I'm going to install openssh-server on a client to get to the bottom of this
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| 15:11 | :)
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| 15:11 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: that may be too late
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| 15:12 | _UsUrPeR_: is that the only mount error?
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| 15:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> it's weird. This is an intermittant occurence
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| 15:12 | this happens about 50% of the time
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| 15:12 | the other half of the time, the clients boot properly
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| 15:12 | to an LDM screen
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> crazy people and their crazy broken setups
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| 15:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> you got me. I'm totally crazy ;)
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: if that is the only error you get, then it is a problem in initramfs. If it is the unharmful mountall errors, then it is not the source of ur problem
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| 15:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> Gadi: ok. I'm rebuilding right now with openssh-server on the client so I can take a look at it's logs
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: if the prob is ini initramfs, ssh will not be running yet
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| 15:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm
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| 15:15 | it seems to be getting to a login prompt. just no LDM
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> do you drop to an initrmafs shell?
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| 15:15 | ah
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| 15:15 | ok
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| 15:16 | then, it may be the mountall issue
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| 15:16 | that isnt really an issue
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> Yey! vinagre finally got reverse connection support! Now if only vino-server got a -connect parameter, we could help people behind firewalls without installing anything...
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| 15:22 | Uh, not much hope there, it's been filed since 2006... :-/ https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=389646
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| 15:35 | <Gadi> 2006 seems to be the hey day for OSS developers actually fixing and testing for bugs
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| 15:35 | :)
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| 15:35 | I think by 2007, they were all on to other projects
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| 15:35 | :P
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| 15:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> Gadi / vagrantc: ok, here's the errors being received on the client when it fails to boot: http://pastebin.com/66jaZzpH
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| 15:41 | like I said, it's strangely intermittant
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| 15:41 | also, I can't seem to pull up a shell even though I have screen_02 = shell
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| 15:42 | it just gives me a blank screen with the blinking curser
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| 15:43 | Gadi: I was mistaken, it's not getting to a login prompt
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| 15:43 | Gadi: which you said is a problem with initramfs?
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| 15:47 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: those errors are all mountall errors which can be ignored
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| 15:47 | mountall had an issue where it produced those errors if /etc/mtab was a read-only symlink to /proc/mounts
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| 15:48 | we added a workaround for Ubuntu NBD connections in the latest upstream and I filed a bug with mountall
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| 15:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, that's fine
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| 15:48 | <Gadi> I think they may have fixed it
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| 15:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm. I am thinking this may be a network error
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| 15:48 | it's weird how it's intermittent though
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| 15:53 | Gadi: ok, removed client from switch and plugged directly into server. same issue.
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| 15:54 | any suggestions? :P
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| 15:55 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: were you able to ssh in?
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| 15:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> Gadi: negative. I was mistaken. there is no login prompt
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| 15:55 | it does not start SSH
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| 15:55 | it's "too early" like you had said
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| 15:55 | <Gadi> hmm... weird - because mountall is in the OS after the initramfs
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| 15:56 | what version of LTSP are you on?
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| 15:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> 9.10 running ltsp-server installed about 3 days ago from a normal apt-get
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| 15:57 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: try using stgraber's ppa
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| 15:57 | !stgraber-ppa
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| 15:57 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "stgraber-ppa" :: https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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| 15:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> the ltsp-server version is 5.1.90-0ubuntu3 according to dpkg -l
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| 16:19 | <kusznir> Hi all: I'm setting up my ubuntu 9.10 ltsp server (migrating from a 9.04 / old hardware). For the transition period, I wanted to include ssh keys and config so users could select either ltsp host (old or new).
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| 16:20 | To that end, I exported my sshkey from my old server, created /etc/ltsp/ on my new server, copied the key over, and ran ltsp-update-sshkey, but it didn't import the key to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts. Did something change, or did I mess something up?
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| 16:25 | <alkisg> kusznir: how are your users select either server?
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| 16:26 | Different chroots / pxelinux menus etc?
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| 16:40 | <vagrantc> is ubuntu's ltsp-server shipping ltsp-info yet?
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| 16:40 | * vagrantc wants to get in the habit of asking people to run that to get version information | |
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| 16:54 | * alkisg has ltsp-info in lucid... | |
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| 18:18 | <loomis53> Hello. Is getting 140 stations running on one server doable/advisable? Usage would only be for basic web browsing (shouldn't be using flash, intesive javascript, etc) and shell applications.
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| 18:21 | <Appiah> sure
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| 18:21 | just get the hardware for that..
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| 18:24 | <Lns> loomis53, that's stretching it...but if you're serious that they're not doing flash/java/etc... and your server hardware is good enough, I guess it'd be possible
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| 18:24 | <loomis53> i guess that's my issue. no experience to know how much processing power I need.
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| 18:24 | <Lns> You'll probably want at least 2 realistically though
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| 18:25 | what was that formula...
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| 18:25 | !server
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| 18:25 | <ltspbot`> Lns: hubbard.freenode.net
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| 18:25 | <Lns> !serverspec
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| 18:25 | <ltspbot`> Lns: Error: "serverspec" is not a valid command.
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| 18:25 | <Lns> hrm
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| 18:27 | <loomis53> right, I'd rather two for redundancy. I'm just looking to see how much I could realisticly get out of a single server.
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| 18:27 | <Lns> loomis53, what's the environment ?
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| 18:28 | <loomis53> the environment is a mix matched mess right now :)
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| 18:28 | <Lns> Personally, with general web/email/office usage I wouldn't go above 50 per server, but that's just me..one server being, say, a 2x quadcore 3.0GHz Xeon w/6-8GB RAM each
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| 18:28 | and obviously at *least* one 1Gbit/sec NIC...2 or more bonded together preferably
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| 18:29 | just depends on the usage (they ALL on and being used at the same time?) and stuff like that
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| 18:29 | <loomis53> our file server is a novell 4.11. the end user would just be using a single low demanding shell app or lightweight web app
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| 18:30 | <Lns> so you could get away with a minimal/no graphical environment almost
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| 18:30 | <loomis53> right
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| 18:30 | <Lns> well 140 might not be out of the question then
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| 18:30 | given the specs i put up above
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| 18:30 | <loomis53> it's a call center, doing out bound market research surveys
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| 18:31 | <Lns> but obviously you'll want to test and not put yourself in a situation where it's going to kill you if it doesn't work :)
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| 18:31 | gotcha
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| 18:32 | i got to jet, sorry couldn't stay longer
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| 18:32 | <loomis53> right. if we go this route, it would probably be half the stations to start, and i'd setup a test environment before that.
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| 18:32 | np, thanks for the advice!
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| 18:32 | <Lns> good luck!
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| 18:32 | ^^^ good idea
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| 18:35 | <epaphus> Hey guys... has anybody here seen NICs that support PXE but have a hard time booting into ltsp... ?
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| 18:35 | or do all PXE enabled hardware work with ltsp?
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| 18:36 | (at least the boot part)
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| 18:50 | <sparker> Hi , I just installed Edubuntu LTSP 9.1 but my clients are not connecting 'out of the box'. Could anyone help a noobie?
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| 18:52 | <johnny> try harder..
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| 18:52 | provide actual info
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| 18:52 | also , this isn't a great time for support
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| 18:53 | best time is on the weekdays during european/usa business hourse
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| 18:53 | <epaphus> is there a mailing list?
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| 18:53 | <johnny> hours*
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| 18:53 | yes.. also ltsp-discuss
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| 18:54 | <epaphus> tnx
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