IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 3 November 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:30 | <nicku> i have a problem with ltsp localapps. If I run firefox as a localapp it doesn't find any programs to open files for example pdf or doc. Do I need to make those to work locally also
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| 02:30 | or is there any way to avoid this behaviour. I would not like to make all my apps work locally
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| 03:42 | <elias_a> Good day, pholks!
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| 03:43 | Is there a way to have network manager of Ubuntu Jaunty live together with LTSP?
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| 03:44 | I am trying to do a test with a temporarily setup of ltsp in a laptop.
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| 03:45 | problem: Network Manager seems to mess up things.
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| 03:46 | I did the installation following this guide: http://unixlab.blogspot.com/2009/08/how-to-install-ltsp-on-ubuntu-904.html
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| 03:54 | <ogra> !ubuntu
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| 03:54 | <ltspbot> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 03:55 | <ogra> network manager doesnt touch interfaces that are defined manually in /etc/network/interfaces
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| 03:55 | just follow the official docs instead of using some foreign blogpost
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| 03:57 | <ogra> (you dont need to install dhcp3-server, you dont need to install openssh-server (ltsp-server-standalomne cares for this) and you should definately not touch /etc/ltsp/dhcp3.conf unless you really have to)
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| 06:34 | <scottmaccal> Morning all.
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| 07:39 | <Guest33610> Hi is there any way of getting sound throug Xming when remote connects to a Ubuntu mashine?
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| 07:41 | nick david
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| 07:41 | <Appiah> hmm
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| 07:41 | never tried taht
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| 07:41 | not really a LTSP question but hey
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| 07:42 | Guest33610: is it a Ubuntu server?
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| 07:43 | <Guest33610> I have set up a LTSP but does not use it for thin client network boot, just using the X11 protocol to give a terminal service for firefox in the office network, everything works perfect, no lag ect, looks nice to, but there is no sound when for example you want to watch a youtube video
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| 07:43 | <Appiah> see if the soundserver for whatever you use serverside has a client for windows
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| 07:44 | there is pulseaudio in windows so the forwarding in a ubuntu envoirment should work
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| 07:45 | never tried it
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| 07:45 | <Guest33610> thanks will try:)
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| 07:45 | <Appiah> ok it's ubuntu sorry I didnt read that
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| 08:27 | <ogra> Gadi, "nd the move away from usplash as the bootsplash mechanism" ???
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| 08:27 | karmic still uses usplash everywhere
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| 08:27 | <Gadi> oh
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| 08:27 | oops
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| 08:28 | I guess its just less broken
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| 08:28 | :)
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| 08:28 | * Gadi thought ubuntu was moving to something else - or even no boot splash - because of the amazing boot speeds | |
| 08:28 | <Gadi> :)
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| 08:28 | <ogra> its only the black and white logo you see at the start for a few seconds
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| 08:28 | <jammcq> bom dia
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| 08:29 | <ogra> the plan is to shoot usplash with lucid
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| 08:29 | <Gadi> shoot it with what?
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| 08:29 | <ogra> we use xsplash now ... and would have done so for karmic *if* the bootspeed enhancements would have been done completely
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| 08:29 | <Gadi> ah
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| 08:29 | <ogra> but they arent 100% done yet ... and X still takes to long to come up
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| 08:30 | <Gadi> see? I wasn't sleeping too much during the class
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| 08:30 | :)
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| 08:30 | <ogra> :)
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| 08:30 | -> shoot ... with a shotgun i think :)
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| 08:55 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:55 | <CAN-o-SPAM> morning sbalneav
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| 08:56 | <chrisinajar> sbalneav: g'mornin
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| 08:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> !s
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| 08:57 | <ltspbot> _UsUrPeR_: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:57 | <elias_a> ogra: Thanks for your advice. I managed to do the stuff.
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| 08:58 | <Gadi> sbalneav: did you finish your homework?
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| 08:58 | <elias_a> I actually have never before succeeded in running LTSP in a box having Network Manager running...
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| 08:58 | Historical day :)
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| 08:58 | ogra: So, thank you for support!
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> Gadi: Worked on it, yes.
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| 08:59 | Finished it no.
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> sbalneav: cool - let me know, Ive got the test env all set up
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 09:30 | <Appiah> I got 3 new HP T5730 that wont pxeboot . They get Kernel panic
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| 09:31 | I remember from earlier irc or maililing list converstation that these works...
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| 09:31 | What can be the problem? how do I troubleshoot this?
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| 09:32 | <Gadi> Appiah: turn off the bootsplash and see what causes them to panic?
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| 09:33 | <Appiah> dont belive it gets that far >_>
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| 09:33 | will have to check
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| 09:45 | <brendan0powers_> sbalneav: the domain transfer for openas.org has gone through
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| 09:45 | sbalneav: I'l put a wiki up tonight
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| 09:59 | <sbalneav> brendan0powers_: \o/
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| 10:25 | <brendan0powers_> sbalneav: \o/?
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| 10:25 | * brendan0powers_ doesn't know what that is | |
| 10:26 | <Gadi> its a little guy with both hands in the air
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| 10:26 | as if cheering you on
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| 10:26 | or celebrating
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| 10:27 | \o? <-- and this is Captain Hook doing the same
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| 10:27 | ;)
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| 10:27 | <johnny> LOL
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| 10:27 | Gadi, !
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| 10:28 | <sbalneav> brendan0powers_: It's a little guy cheering
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| 10:28 | <ogra> ¡
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| 10:31 | <dro> Gadi: lol i love those smileys
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| 10:32 | <brendan0powers_> sbalneav: ah
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| 10:40 | <jammcq> wow, it's like a party in here
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| 10:42 | <CAN-o-SPAM> i think Gadi is supposed to do the Macarena later
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| 10:42 | <Gadi> dro: and I like Peter Pan humor - it never gets old ;)
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| 10:43 | hey.... Macarena!
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| 10:43 | <dro> lol
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| 10:43 | you're in a good mood today eh
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| 10:59 | <sbalneav> ogra: So, with the new GDM config, if I want to take off "nolisten tcp" on my X, one supposes there's no graphical way to do that, right?
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| 10:59 | just edit the gdm files directly?
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| 11:00 | <Brian_H> is the proper way to update an ltsp system to chroot into the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory and aptitude update/upgrade?
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| 11:01 | <sbalneav> Rather than an upgrade, I'd just move /opt/ltsp to /opt/ltsp.old, and rebuild the chroot from scratch.
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| 11:01 | <Brian_H> I'm speaking of security updates and what not
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| 11:02 | I want to have ltsp auth against ldap, so wouldn't I have to modify the files in the chroot to make that happen?
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| 11:03 | <Gadi> Brian_H: nope
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| 11:03 | Brian_H: as long as ssh on the server can auth against LDAP, ur done
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| 11:03 | <Brian_H> ahh sweet
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| 11:04 | so just the pam.d stuff on the box running ltsp then?
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| 11:04 | <Gadi> right
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| 11:04 | pretend the server is a regular PC and get it authenticating against ldap as usual
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| 11:04 | then, the clients will follow suit automatically
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| 11:05 | <Brian_H> thats sweet
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| 11:05 | thanks for the pro tips
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| 11:05 | <Gadi> we try to maintain a low level of maintenance and setup with LTSP
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| 11:06 | we strive for laziness
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| 11:06 | :)
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| 11:06 | well, at least I do
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| 11:06 | <jammcq> most of the time, we succeed
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| 11:06 | <Gadi> yeah, until folks start talking about client-side pam integration
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| 11:06 | :)
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| 11:06 | <jammcq> then I just take a nap
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| 11:07 | <Gadi> me too
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| 11:08 | <jammcq> I have a non-ltsp question. I ask it here, because this channel is filled with the smartest people on the planet. I upgraded my desktop to 9.10 and now my sound doesn't work. where would I begin looking for a fix?
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| 11:08 | <Gadi> why do I feel like the professor is pimping us
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| 11:09 | <johnny> jammcq, is pulse running?
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| 11:09 | <jammcq> ummm
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| 11:10 | <Gadi> jammcq: if alsamixer works, pop open gstreamer-properties and make sure you weren't ofrcing some weird setting before
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| 11:10 | <johnny> ah.. yes.. what Gadi says
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| 11:10 | <Gadi> we know how non-standard you can be
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| 11:10 | <jammcq> I didn't do an upgrade. I did a complete re-install
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| 11:10 | <dro> jammcq: here is your typical ##ubuntu response: doa fresh install of 9.10
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| 11:10 | <jammcq> and yes, alsamixer works
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| 11:10 | dro: it is a fresh install
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| 11:10 | <Gadi> jammcq: how are you testing sound?
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| 11:10 | <jammcq> I had edgy on here before
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| 11:11 | Gadi: the only real way to test.... youtube
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| 11:11 | <Gadi> hell, yeah
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| 11:11 | :)
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| 11:11 | <dro> wait wasn't there an issue with certain flash software and sound?
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| 11:11 | <jammcq> it works beautifully on my 2 laptops
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| 11:11 | also both re-installs of 9.10
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| 11:11 | <Gadi> jammcq: test another way to make sure it isnt app related
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| 11:12 | then, ur prolly looking at a sound driver thing
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| 11:12 | <jammcq> ok, another way, like.... ?
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| 11:12 | <Gadi> is it an intel sound driver?
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| 11:12 | <jammcq> ummm
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| 11:12 | <Gadi> another way like aplay /usr/share/sounds/...
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| 11:12 | <alkisg> gstreamer-properties does have a "test" sound button :)
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| 11:12 | <jammcq> it's a box, with a keyboard and 2 monitors.
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| 11:12 | <Gadi> or like playing a test sound through gstreamer
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| 11:13 | <dro> even a music cd
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| 11:13 | <jammcq> ok, I clicked the 'TEST' button and no sound can be heard
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| 11:13 | <Gadi> "it's a box"
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| 11:13 | :)
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| 11:13 | it isnt a cardboard box, is it?
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| 11:13 | <jammcq> Gadi: yeah, my desktop
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| 11:13 | <dro> lol
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| 11:13 | <Gadi> with a speaker drawn in marker?
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| 11:13 | <jammcq> no, it's a dell optiplex 745
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| 11:13 | <Gadi> oh, thats close
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| 11:13 | ;)
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| 11:13 | <ogra> sbalneav, i fear there are no "gdm files"
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| 11:13 | <CAN-o-SPAM> speakers plugged in ;)
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| 11:13 | ?
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| 11:14 | <jammcq> CAN-o-SPAM: yepper
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| 11:14 | <Gadi> to the right port?
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| 11:14 | <dro> jammcq: go to system - pref - sound - output tab
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| 11:14 | jammcq: test each one of the outputs
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| 11:15 | <jammcq> dro: there's only 1 output: Internal Audio Digital Stereo (IEC958)
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| 11:16 | <dro> jammcq: do you have options in there to choose between digital, analog, mono?
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| 11:16 | <Gadi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=927916
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| 11:16 | <dro> it's on one of those tabs, sorry no sound card in my laptop
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| 11:16 | <Gadi> seems ur not alone
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| 11:16 | <jammcq> Gadi: yes, it's plugged into the right port. that hasn't changed. it was working in edgy. Also, I plugged my earbuds in, no sound in those either
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| 11:16 | dro: no, there's only 1 device in each of the tabs
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| 11:16 | <sbalneav> ogra: fixed it.
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| 11:16 | <Gadi> intel sound drivers have a "model" param that sometimes needs to be forced to the right thing
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| 11:16 | <sbalneav> created an /etc/gdm/custom.conf
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| 11:17 | <ogra> and that works ?
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| 11:17 | <sbalneav> with [secruity] DisallowTCP=False
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| 11:17 | yup
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| 11:17 | <johnny> uggh.. i hate negative options
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| 11:17 | AllowTCP=True
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| 11:17 | is better
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| 11:17 | wtf
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| 11:17 | <ogra> oh, intresting
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| 11:17 | <johnny> gnome people should know better
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| 11:18 | <sbalneav> "NotAllowPeopleToNotMakeTcpConnections = Mmmmmaybe"
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| 11:18 | "One Option always tells the truth, the other option always lies..."
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> jammcq: try the front headphone port
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| 11:19 | <jammcq> Gadi: yeah, my earbuds are plugged in there now
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| 11:19 | nada
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> amixer -Dhw:0 set 'IEC958 Default PCM' mute
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| 11:19 | try that
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| 11:20 | <jammcq> it took the command, and spit out a few lines
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| 11:21 | then I tried 'unmute' and still no sound
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| 11:22 | <ogra> jammcq, what soundcard ?
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| 11:22 | <dro> iec958
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| 11:22 | <ogra> iec958 is a chip
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| 11:23 | there are various soundcards using it :)
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| 11:23 | <Gadi> jammcq: try killing pulseaudio
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| 11:24 | <jammcq> ok, it just restarts by itself
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| 11:25 | <Gadi> jammcq: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1152630#4
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| 11:25 | those guys had luck purging alsa and reinstalling it
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| 11:25 | <coordinador> hi, i have a problem, i have ltsp1220 terms and when i connect it to a VGA multiplier the term cannot turn on
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| 11:26 | <ogra> jammcq, lspci | grep audio
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| 11:26 | <jammcq> Gadi: worth a try.
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| 11:26 | <ogra> what does that get you ?
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| 11:26 | <jammcq> ogra: nothing
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| 11:26 | <ogra> oh
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| 11:26 | <Gadi> use grep -i
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| 11:26 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:26 | sorry
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| 11:26 | <coordinador> (it keeps the power light turning on and off like two times at second)
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| 11:26 | <jammcq> root@ovation:/var/log# lspci | grep -i audio
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| 11:26 | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
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| 11:27 | <ogra> ogra@osiris:~$ lspci |grep -i audio
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| 11:27 | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
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| 11:27 | * ogra listens to webradio atm | |
| 11:27 | <Gadi> seems rev 02 was worse than rev03
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| 11:27 | ;)
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| 11:27 | <ogra> oh, i got a 03 ... hmm, thought it was the same
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| 11:27 | <Gadi> go figure
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| 11:28 | I have visual line parser version 03
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| 11:28 | <jammcq> i'm booting my lappy, to see what it has
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| 11:28 | <Gadi> ;)
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| 11:28 | <johnny> coordinador, go try that multiplier on a different computer
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| 11:29 | coordinador, it sounds like a hardware problem
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| 11:29 | try it with other things before coming to us please..
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| 11:29 | <jammcq> ogra: I have rev03 on my lappy
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| 11:29 | <coordinador> johnny, i tried in another term and the same happen, but i tried plugged in a pc and works ok, finally i plugged in a older box (eboxII) and it works ok
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| 11:29 | <jammcq> oh, and 82801I intead of 82801H
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| 11:29 | <johnny> coordinador, boot one of those as an ltsp client
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| 11:30 | if it happens with just those terms.. then there is nothing we can do
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| 11:30 | <ogra> jammcq, no sound there either ?
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| 11:30 | <johnny> and you should contact your manufacturer
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| 11:30 | <coordinador> humm
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| 11:30 | <jammcq> ogra: sound works perfectly on the laptop
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| 11:30 | <ogra> ah
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| 11:30 | <jammcq> i'm gonna connect from my laptop, and then reboot my desktop
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| 11:30 | bbiab
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| 11:31 | <coordinador> ok johnny, you are right, thanks
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| 11:32 | <ogra> jammcq, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/411574 ... lots to read :P
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| 11:32 | ptions snd-hda-intel probe_mask=1 model=auto power_save=10
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| 11:33 | in /etc/modprobe.d/<younameit>.conf
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> its definitely the module options
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| 11:33 | there are dell laptops with same chipset and working sound on google
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| 11:33 | <ogra> how do they play sound on google o_O
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| 11:34 | <Gadi> but modprobe -r snd-hda-intel; modprobe snd-hda-intel probe_mask=1 model=auto power_save=10
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| 11:34 | oops - with sudos
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| 11:34 | :)
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| 11:34 | to test
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| 11:34 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:34 | <Gadi> sudo modprobe -r snd-hda-intel; sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel probe_mask=1 model=auto power_save=10
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| 11:44 | <jammcq> ok, tried the modprobe stuff. still no go
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| 11:45 | but... it does make the 'tadum' sound before the login displays
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| 11:50 | <alkisg> if you run gstreamer-properties, try plugin = alsa (not "autodetect"), and push the test button? still no sound?
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| 11:50 | <jammcq> oooh, it works
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| 11:51 | <alkisg> now try the same with pulse...
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| 11:51 | <jammcq> changed it in system-pref-sound to 'Analog Stereo Output'
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| 11:51 | <ogra> what did you use before ?
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| 11:52 | <jammcq> it was set to 'Digital Stereo Duplex'
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| 11:52 | <ogra> heh, does your soundcard have a digital output ?
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| 11:52 | <jammcq> ummm, I dunno
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| 11:52 | there aren't any additional ports on the outside
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| 11:54 | <dro> jammcq: so you got it working?
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| 11:54 | <jammcq> you guys rock
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| 11:54 | dro: yep, it works. I'll reboot to make sure it survives a reboot
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| 11:54 | but it's looking good
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| 11:54 | <dro> jammcq: how did you fix it, changing the output?
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| 12:21 | <dro> jammcq: what was the actual fix, changing the output ?
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| 12:35 | <dro> jammcq: what was the final fix?
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| 12:35 | <johnny> sounds like it..
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| 12:38 | <dro> johnny: i believe so, and it's the first thing I told him to do lol
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| 12:50 | <sebas891> hi folks, I using ltsp on ubuntu 9.04, I upgraded client image, and now the kernel modules are not loading on the client machine.
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| 12:51 | consequently, I lost ps2 mouse and some video card are not recognized anymore.
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| 12:52 | on the client, I get something like this. # modprobe -v psmouse
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| 12:52 | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/modules.dep
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| 12:53 | <johnny> isn't that built into the kernel?
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| 12:53 | <sebas891> the modules are in ls -al /lib/modules/2.6.28-16-generic/
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| 12:53 | <johnny> i don't think you need a specific module
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| 12:53 | pretty sure you never need to set.. psmouse will be default in kernel for sometime to come in ubuntu
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| 12:53 | <sebas891> well, there are things that I need the kernel modules to load.
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| 12:53 | <johnny> that's a different store
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| 12:53 | story*
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| 12:53 | but psmouse is not a module on ubuntu.. so you can't load it
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| 12:54 | try putting back old chroot then?
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| 12:54 | <Gadi> sebas891: there is a mismatch between the kernel version in tftpboot and the chroot
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| 12:54 | <sebas891> well, the psmouse modules loads on some client machine
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| 12:54 | Gadi: yes.
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| 12:54 | <johnny> weird..
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| 12:54 | <Gadi> try: sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 12:55 | <johnny> sebas891, ltsp-update-kernels
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| 12:55 | /me pokes gadi
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| 12:55 | hmm.. weird.. why is it a module on ubuntu..
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| 12:55 | i am suprised
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| 12:55 | <sebas891> Gadi: sounds like the right thing todo :)
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| 12:56 | it's the first time that I upgrade kernel on client machine :)
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> sebas891: also, ls -l /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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| 12:56 | <johnny> Gadi, i gotta wonder if we need a wrapper script to upgrade the chroot..
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> and have a look at the symlinking
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| 12:57 | johnny: just tell vagrantc
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| 12:57 | he seems to be making useful scripts like that
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| 12:57 | :)
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| 12:57 | <johnny> well.. tell me if i'm cdrazy for wanting it
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| 12:57 | since ubuntu only recently started including a proper sources.list
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> you're crazy - but not for wanting it
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| 12:57 | <johnny> which means upgrades to kernels will definitely happen now
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| 12:58 | <Gadi> I think we should also whip up an "ltsconfig" script that would generate/edit lts.conf properly
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| 12:58 | <johnny> and i think most people will not run ltsp-update-kernels :)
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| 12:58 | Gadi, isn't tat called easyltsp?
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| 12:58 | /me realizes he should probably start getting ready for the day
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| 12:58 | <sebas891> ls -l /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic
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| 12:58 | * Gadi never looked at easyltsp | |
| 12:58 | <Gadi> sebas891: yeach, but what does the symlink look like?
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| 12:58 | for vmlinuz?
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| 12:59 | <sebas891> It did not run the command ltsp-update-kernels so I guess this is why it's not working.
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| 12:59 | vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic
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| 12:59 | initrd.img -> initrd.img-2.6.28-11-generic
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> are you on a 64-bit server?
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| 12:59 | <sebas891> and this kernel was remove from the image.
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| 12:59 | no 32bits.
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> huh
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> and does ltsp-update-kernels fix it?
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> yeah, if you update the kernel in the chroot, then it makes sense that you would have to run ltsp-update-kernels to get it in the tftpboot dir
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| 13:01 | nothing's gonna tell the server to do it for ya
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| 13:01 | <sebas891> I will try it on my dev ltsp server, before than going to the prod server.
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| 13:02 | I didn't considere the server in the kernel upgrade of the clients...
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| 13:04 | there must be some documentation somewhere on how to upgrade the client kernel.
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| 13:04 | * sebas891 goes to look for this. | |
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> sebas891: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot - but really the advice people gave you here is more than enough...
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| 13:19 | <Lns> alkisg: wiki ftw once again! =p
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> ;)
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| 13:20 | Those UbuntuLTSP/* pages contain a wealth of knowledge...
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| 13:21 | <dro> I need to add my 2 cents about the volume=0 and headphones_volume=0 to it
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| 13:22 | <Lns> alkisg: the reason I wanted to clean up the ubu ltsp wiki was that people would be constantly helping others out with "simple tasks" like this and not getting much real work done. Since then, and with everyone's contributions, I see so much less of that. Love it
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| 13:28 | <johnny> still need something that will let them enter natural language questiosn to it..
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| 13:28 | sounds magical tho :)
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| 13:28 | <Gadi> the problem with natural language is that people don't even speak their native languages correctly
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| 13:29 | we need to go back to grunting
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| 13:29 | <alkisg> Hmmm that would pretty much simplify all software ever written :P
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| 13:30 | <Lns> you mean like GOTO?
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| 13:30 | ;)
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| 13:30 | <alkisg> utf8? Who needs it? We have grunt-8 :D
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| 13:30 | <Lns> how to change to caveman-8 rocks?
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| 13:35 | ok that was too obscure for anyone to get I guess =p
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| 13:35 | <Gadi> that was the caveman comic guy
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| 13:36 | right?
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| 13:41 | <Lns> Gadi: lol..no, it was a very badly formed joke based on the "what is LTSP ROCKS?" deal
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| 13:42 | err.. "what means LTSP ROCKS"
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| 13:44 | <sebas891> johnny Gadi alkisg : thanks for the hand, everything is back to normal on the ubuntu ltsp, and I now know how to finish a kernel upgrade on clients :)
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| 14:36 | <sbalneav> Sigh.
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| 14:37 | November 3, 2009. at 2:35 CST.
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| 14:37 | Please mark that date down in your calendar.
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| 14:38 | <squarepeg> sbalneav:you ok?
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| 14:38 | <sbalneav> That is the day that Scott Leslie Balneaves offcially lost hope that Linux will ever be a serious contender for the Business desktop.
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| 14:39 | <squarepeg> ..yeah.. i lost so much this year "linux will rule the earth"-wise
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| 14:39 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav ... if i have to drive all the way up there ...
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| 14:40 | <sbalneav> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/307471
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| 14:40 | Guess what doesn't work in Karmic.
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| 14:40 | * CAN-o-SPAM may have noticed yesterday | |
| 14:40 | <jammcq> heh
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| 14:40 | <sbalneav> Guess what I'll have to patch again, this time differently, since cups has changed to all PDF printing.
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| 14:41 | Guess what won't work for Lucid?
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| 14:41 | <squarepeg> crap
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| 14:41 | <jammcq> sbalneav: yeah, but at least it boots real fast
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| 14:41 | <CAN-o-SPAM> heh
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| 14:41 | <sbalneav> Yeah, I'm real glad we've got boot times down to 10 seconds.
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| 14:41 | Unless this gets fixed for Lucid, I can't migrade.
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| 14:42 | Migrate.
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| 14:42 | This is an absolute
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| 14:42 | complete
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| 14:42 | <squarepeg> migraine
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| 14:42 | <sbalneav> totoal
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| 14:42 | showstopper.
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| 14:42 | <jammcq> at least it's early in the release cycle
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| 14:42 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 14:42 | <jammcq> jcastro should hear about it. he's got a way of interacting with various groups to make sure voices are heard
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| 14:43 | <sbalneav> I'll have to ping him.
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| 14:43 | <CAN-o-SPAM> you can find him in #ubuntu-us-mi
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| 14:44 | <sbalneav> Forget ldap. Forget interacting with ActiveDirectory, forget &%#&^%#(^$& blingy freakin' compiz.
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| 14:44 | If we can't get our collective sh*t together to print a f******* ENVELOPE, somethin's wrong.
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| 14:44 | What p******* me off is, I've FIXED this before. UPSTREAM even.
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| 14:45 | sigh. apt-get source cupsys
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| 14:45 | hi-ho hi-ho, it's off to patch I go.
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| 14:45 | <jammcq> sbalneav: how about you and I go to Dallas to UDS and bang a few heads together?
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| 14:46 | <sbalneav> meh, what's the use?
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| 14:46 | * CAN-o-SPAM passes sbalneav a cup of Motivation and Encouragement - a refreshing new FOSS drink from DisklessWorkstations.com | |
| 14:47 | <sbalneav> And people wonder why FOSS people take up drinking.
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| 14:47 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ;)
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| 14:47 | <sbalneav> Oh, I just want to go off and have a good cry :(
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| 14:48 | <squarepeg> if only there were a few more sbalneves's
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| 14:48 | <Lns> Maybe it's time for LTSP-OS ?
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| 14:49 | <squarepeg> /sbalneves/sbalneaves
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| 14:50 | <sbalneav> Now it gets even more complicated, since I know it's gone from OpenOffice.org -> Cups -> pstops filter -> printer, to...
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| 14:50 | OpenOffice.org -> pdfconversion -> cups -> pdf filter -> printer.
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| 14:50 | <squarepeg> how much time did this suck up for you today?
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| 14:50 | already..
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| 14:50 | <sbalneav> well 10 minutes so far. I just tried it.
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| 14:51 | Last time, for the move to hardy, this was a month of on-and-off work.
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| 14:51 | <squarepeg> crap
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| 14:52 | <sbalneav> Did you look at the patch I produced on that page? it was no mean feat.
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| 14:53 | I'm going to find castro.
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| 14:53 | and freakin UNLOAD on him.
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| 14:55 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sip the your FOSS drink first
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| 14:55 | ;)
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| 14:55 | because english speak i
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| 14:58 | * Lns wonders why ubuntu can't be as uber-cautious with updates as its parent OS | |
| 15:00 | <vagrantc> because then people will complain that it's archaic and outdated.
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| 15:00 | <squarepeg> weee!
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| 15:00 | <CAN-o-SPAM> who knows ... one thing key for this release was to get something out around Win 7 time ... and vagrantc makes a solid point too
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| 15:01 | <squarepeg> see y'all later dudes!
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> one of the reasons ubuntu exists is because they want to have more freedom to make changes
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| 15:01 | and often times that's a good thing, and sometimes not.
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| 15:01 | <CAN-o-SPAM> open source needs a google wave like tool
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| 15:02 | and to shed a few distros and revert those efforts to more mainstream distos
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| 15:04 | <johnny> googlewave will be open
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| 15:04 | there will be an open version soon..
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| 15:08 | <lejo> and the wave protocol is open too?
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| 15:09 | <Lumiere> google wave is open source...
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| 15:09 | and the protocol is XMPP based
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| 15:09 | it's an XEP I think
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| 15:10 | <johnny> the initial distro instance willbe based on teh prosody xmpp server
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| 15:26 | <Lns> vagrantc: agreed. That was *my* complaint when using debian stable ;)
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| 15:26 | almost always ended up using a mixed release at some point or another
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| 15:27 | (which still ran beautifully)
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| 15:41 | <Lns> Actually I'm still using stable for mx/dns/http/other random things. Debian will never lose its place in my <3 =) I don't think I've ever had a problem with anything breaking after an update, even if it'd been over a year.
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| 17:13 | <Brian_H> ok so I have ltsp authing against ldap, but when I log in as an ldap user I get a black screen. Is there a script or something I need to run prior to logging in as a user from ldap? I think it probably has something to do with the home directories not being there maybe?
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| 17:14 | <johnny> uhmm.. you should make the home directories when you create the user..
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| 17:35 | <Brian_H> if I mount an NFS volume in ltsp and users log in, will the permissions propagate to the users, for example joe is in "sales" he should not be able to write to the "tech" directory if it's owned by the group tech right?
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| 17:38 | <sbalneav> Well, if the permissions are set correctly, yes
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| 17:38 | You'd need mode 0770 on the directory.
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| 18:16 | <Brian_H> cool
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| 18:17 | I've noticed every once in a while my ltsp server will peg out a core, the process responsible is gnome-panel, is there any way to trouble shoot why gnome-panel would be hosing the system like that?
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| 18:17 | this is a fresh install of ubuntu 9.10 on pretty decent hardware
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| 18:18 | quad core xeon 5500s 2.67 ghz and 4 gigs of ram dedicated to ltsp
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| 18:18 | it has occurred a couple times, with only one host attached
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| 18:19 | <johnny> try testing out the various modules
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| 18:19 | err various applets
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| 18:19 | remove them..
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| 18:19 | or use strace
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| 18:20 | or truly debug it with gdb
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| 18:20 | <Sireorion_> hello
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| 18:20 | someone awake?
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| 18:21 | i need some help with my lstp my thinclient have a protocol probleme
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| 18:22 | hello
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| 18:23 | <Brian_H> I'm not the guy to help you but you need to provide more information
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| 18:29 | <Sireorion_> my thin client saying that the protocol isent specified
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| 18:30 | <johnny> when you do what
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| 18:30 | <Sireorion_> when i start the thin client
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| 18:31 | but it find the dhcp server
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| 18:31 | and it connects to 192.168.2.8 that are the lstp server
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| 18:32 | but it says that the protocol isent specified
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| 18:32 | :(
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| 18:34 | how do i specifie the protocol?
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| 18:35 | johnny, a friend sayed something about option optio-221 "tftp"
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| 18:36 | that will specifie that it is a tftp server
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| 19:44 | <AlecTBM> hello
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| 19:44 | <AlecTBM> anyone have any experience whit Wyse S50 and Ubuntu 9.10?
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| 19:45 | Or is it any other thin client that works better (in the same class)?
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| 19:46 | 1 server and 3 thin clients that are going to being used to netsurfing and MSN
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| 19:59 | <sbalneav> AlecTBM: It's got a geode video card which isn't too speedy.
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| 20:00 | How much ram do they come with?
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| 22:40 | <elias_a> Good Morning, #ltsp
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| 22:43 | <sbalneav> Heya
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| 22:57 | * alkisg loves how `x11vnc -connect` can overcome NATs and make remote support connections a piece of cake... :) | |
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| 23:18 | <johnny> alkisg, using empathy can help too now
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| 23:18 | when people have karmic
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| 23:18 | or f12
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| 23:18 | or whatever mandrake/suse has it
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| 23:19 | <alkisg> johnny: empathy requires that the helper has put the helpee into his contacts - that's difficult when you have to support thousands of teachers...
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| 23:20 | <johnny> well that's what shared roster is for :)
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| 23:20 | you can fill the shared roster based on whatever other central auth scheme you have
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| 23:21 | * alkisg reads up... | |
| 23:22 | <sbalneav> OK
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| 23:22 | Downing box to upgrade main server to Edubuntu Karmic
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| 23:22 | <alkisg> johnny: so if I had you in my empathy contacts, I could see your screen with vnc, even if both of us were behind NAT?
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| 23:22 | <johnny> yes
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| 23:22 | <sbalneav> ltspbot down for a bit.
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| 23:22 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "down" is not a valid command.
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| 23:22 | <johnny> lol
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| 23:22 | <alkisg> johnny: Nice! And that works out of the box in Karmic?
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| 23:22 | <sbalneav> klonk
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| 23:22 | <johnny> alkisg, that's what i hear
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| 23:23 | * alkisg will try that asap :) | |
| 23:23 | <johnny> or .. maybe you have to install a package.. i haven't looked.. since nobody i know has really upgraded yet
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