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Channel log from 7 December 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <johnny> so.. that was easy enough :)
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| 00:00 | synced it all in like half an hour..
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| 00:00 | altho it could probably be simpler than what i did
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| 00:01 | i'd suggest running ltsp-build-client like this
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| 00:02 | ltsp-build-client --quickstart-debug --quickstart-verbose
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| 00:02 | i should probably make verbose the default..
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| 00:02 | and the default behaviour for --arch is to to 32bitize whatever arch
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| 00:02 | so amd64 will build x86 clients
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| 00:03 | if you want amd64 clients.. you must specify
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| 00:03 | <alex_21> Hey, I have a Netvista 2200 that I want to bring up under ltsp. I want to upgrade it using an lstp server. How do you do this? Google brings up really nothing useful
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| 00:03 | <johnny> upgrade it?
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| 00:03 | <alex_21> Upgrade the firmware so it can boot Linux stuff
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| 00:04 | <johnny> sorry.. no idea
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| 00:04 | if it can't pxe boot.. it sounds useless
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| 00:04 | anything that can pxe boot, will boot ltsp
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| 00:04 | you sure it can't already do pxe?
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| 00:05 | <alex_21> It has no pxe, rather uses tftp and/or nfs
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| 00:07 | <kc8pxy> alex_21: can it be forced to pxe?
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| 00:08 | <johnny> it must have pxe to use tftp
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| 00:08 | or some other boot thing
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| 00:08 | to even talk to tftp
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| 00:08 | it has to have a way to get to tftp obviously..
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| 00:10 | <johnny> alex_21, you sure it doesn't already work? :)
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| 00:10 | if it doesn't.. i have no idea
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| 00:10 | everything i have.. does pxe..
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| 00:14 | <alex_21> bootp and tftp is what it has
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| 00:14 | BootP and TFTP
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| 00:17 | <johnny> we provide the linux image over tftp
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| 00:17 | ltsp relies on tftp already
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| 00:18 | <maicod> johnny: warren is probably asleep indeed so i'm bailing out. i'll ask tomorrow or so
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| 00:34 | <alex_21> Hi, this is the link I am following'
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| 00:34 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NetVistaN2200
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| 00:36 | <johnny> it is saying that it boots as any other thin client
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| 00:36 | so.. it must support pxe or etherboot
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| 00:36 | so your'e barking up the wrong tree
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| 00:36 | <alex_21> Jonny, it says that a few modifications must be made
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| 00:36 | <johnny> sure.. to the kernel
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| 00:36 | <alex_21> Like the Kernal and such
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| 00:37 | <johnny> but it still pxe/etherboots
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| 00:37 | <alex_21> And the module pack
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| 00:37 | <johnny> it all looks pretty standard
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| 00:37 | yeah
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| 00:37 | but sure.. everything else is as normal
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| 00:37 | standard ltsp.. just some overrides
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| 00:37 | <alex_21> I don't know why I can't get it to boot then
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| 00:37 | <johnny> well you have yet to produce any error messages or anything.. or describe where it stops
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| 00:37 | <alex_21> Hmmmmm
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| 00:38 | <johnny> that guy perhaps does not know what is doing
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| 00:38 | there are other ways to make it use nfs instead of nbd
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| 00:38 | <alex_21> Joney, It fails saying "failed to boot after three attmempts"
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| 00:38 | <johnny> need more info than that..
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| 00:38 | where does it die before that?
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| 00:39 | i'd suggest plugging some other pc
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| 00:39 | and seeing if that will boot
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| 00:39 | <alex_21> That is all that shows up on the screen
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| 00:39 | <johnny> to make sure that it isn't another problem
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| 00:39 | <alex_21> No, I have used LTSP for a while and every other pc works fine
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| 00:39 | <johnny> ok good to know
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| 00:40 | well i guess you'll have to wait for somebody who has experience
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| 00:40 | try back after the weekend
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| 00:40 | it is late for all the normal folks who are involved
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| 00:40 | <alex_21> It is the netVistas that don't, neither one of them
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| 00:40 | <johnny> or you can post to ltsp-discuss
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| 00:40 | <alex_21> How do I post to them?
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| 00:41 | <johnny> subscribe to them
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| 00:41 | <alex_21> I mean, won't I need to subscribe?
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| 00:41 | <johnny> i'm not sure where it is
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| 00:41 | i'm sure a search engine can tell you
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| 00:42 | <alex_21> Oh, Ok
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| 00:43 | <alex_21> I will try after the weekend
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| 00:43 | Or install OpenSuse on the thing, which works no problem
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| 00:43 | Thanks
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| 00:43 | Good night. Bani bash
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| 02:39 | <kc8pxy> johnny: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/portage/layman/make.conf' in /etc/make.conf
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| 02:39 | trying to build the kernel
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| 09:08 | <vagrantc> asmo koskinen had quite the conversation on ltsp-discuss yesterday :)
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| 09:10 | <warren> I still will not join that list.
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| 09:11 | <rjune_> why not?
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| 09:14 | <warren> If is is important, it will bubble up to the devel list? Or bugs will be filed?
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| 09:14 | I have WAY too many lists right now.
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| 09:35 | <petre> warren, are we meeting today? Anything to discuss?
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| 09:36 | <warren> petre: not really
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| 09:36 | petre: I'm thinking to just rename rc1 to final and not put any more work into it. F9 has barely half a year left.
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| 09:36 | petre: time to do a F10 K12Linux media
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| 09:37 | <petre> ok
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| 09:38 | <warren> I'll redo the kickstart scripts for F10
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| 09:40 | <petre> are kickstart scripts used for the liveusb version?
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| 09:40 | I think of kickstart as being for installation
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| 09:41 | <warren> kickstart files define how to install
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| 09:42 | in the case of livecd tools, kickstart files define how to install into the image
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| 10:09 | <russell_nash> hi, anybody available to give me some advice, please?
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| 10:16 | <russell_nash> My ltsp client has a blank screen with a mouse pointer after logging in, I get the following in the client's .xsession-errors file SESSION_MANAGER=local/mark-desktop:/tmp/.ICE-unix/27752
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| 10:16 | ** Message: another SSH agent is running at: /tmp/ssh-Nxxqq27723/agent.27723
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| 10:16 | Xsession: X session started for test at Tue Nov 25 15:57:43 GMT 2008
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| 10:16 | Setting IM through im-switch for locale=en_US.
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| 10:16 | Start IM through /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/all_ALL linked to /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/default.
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| 10:16 | SESSION_MANAGER=local/mark-desktop:/tmp/.ICE-unix/28168
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| 10:16 | ** Message: another SSH agent is running at: /tmp/ssh-thaVH28139/agent.28139
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| 10:16 | x-session-manager: Fatal IO error 2 (No such file or directory) on X server localhost:11.0.
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| 10:16 | gnome-settings-daemon: Fatal IO error 0 (Success) on X server localhost:11.0.
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| 10:30 | <vagrantc> !release
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| 10:30 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 11:12 | <johnny> kc8pxy, hmm.. it should have bind mounted /usr/local/portage/layman
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| 11:12 | have you done anything since?
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| 12:28 | <Gadi> hi guys
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| 12:29 | vagrantc, warren, stgraber: not sure if you are here, but
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| 12:29 | I have been working on some screen-session directory scripts and structure
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| 12:29 | see: lp:~gideon/ltsp/ltsp-trunk-screensessiond
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| 12:29 | right now it is untested
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| 12:30 | but is meant to give you some ideas of what I am trying to do
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| 12:30 | unfortunately, I have to run
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| 12:30 | but, I will try to get on later.
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| 12:30 | cheers
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| 12:52 | <johnny> you're doing a good job so far
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> how's that?
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| 12:53 | i've spent the last 2-3 hours trying to do something that is obviously trivial
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| 12:53 | <johnny> obviously not :)
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| 12:53 | hehe
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| 13:10 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "borked ldm session and language hack" (28 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/134
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| 13:10 | <vagrantc> thoughts, anyone?
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| 13:17 | <vagrantc> i *think* curr_host->sessions is a GList ...
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> ooooh. segfault. :)
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| 13:25 | <kc8pxy> johnny: just layman -S
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| 13:26 | <johnny> what version of layman do you have on the server?
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| 13:26 | i'm wondering if i didn't do the version spec right
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| 13:27 | where are you layman repositories located?
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| 13:28 | in recent version they got moved to /usr/local/portage/layman
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| 13:29 | <kc8pxy> johnny: 1.1.1 before i went back and uDN world. then i brought in 1.2.1
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| 13:30 | <johnny> on the server?
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| 13:30 | hmm.. so where are your server layman repositories now?
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| 13:31 | <kc8pxy> usr/portage/local/layman
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| 13:32 | <johnny> in 1.2.1.. they should be /usr/local/portage/layman
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| 13:32 | perhaps you didn't update the config file?
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| 13:35 | <kc8pxy> which config file?
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| 13:35 | /usr/local/portage/layman/ exists, and has junk in it
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| 13:36 | <johnny> but did it exist before..
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| 13:36 | /etc/layman/layman.cfg
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| 13:36 | check it out
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| 13:41 | <kc8pxy> storage says the new location
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| 13:42 | how do i get it to move the layman repo?
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| 13:43 | <johnny> i'd say delete all the old
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| 13:43 | and re add
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| 13:43 | and make sure portage has the right source statement
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| 13:57 | <ChrisWW> Can anyone help me with a small problem? Running LTSP on Ubuntu 8.10 (on VMs). The Thin Client gets so far, then disconnects.
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| 14:00 | <ChrisWW> Anyone?
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| 14:05 | <johnny> ChrisWW, provide more info..
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| 14:06 | <ChrisWW> OK, it seems to be loading the init image ok, I get the Ubuntu loader graphic and then it hangs. Message on the TC is "Setting up LTSP client...", followed by "Disconnecting: que, disconnect, sock, dome"
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| 14:07 | Syslog states: connect from 192.168.0.20, assigned file is opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 14:07 | Syslog states: Size of exported file.device is 160182272
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| 14:07 | Syslog states: Read failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
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| 14:08 | <johnny> hmm.. sound like nbd..
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| 14:08 | <ChrisWW> That's it. I'm guessing it might have something to do with nfs
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| 14:08 | I've added /opt/ltsp to /etc/exports
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| 14:08 | <johnny> if you want to use nfs instead of nbd
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| 14:09 | you'd have to edit /etc/default/ltsp-client or whatever it is called
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| 14:09 | and change it to bind_mounts
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| 14:09 | and then run initramfs-update -u
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| 14:09 | something like that
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| 14:09 | <ChrisWW> And if I stick with nbd?
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| 14:09 | <johnny> there are instructions on the ubunt uwiki
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| 14:09 | well nbd is faster
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| 14:09 | so it is recommended
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| 14:10 | hmm.. so logs on the server.. i wonder what they say
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| 14:10 | <ChrisWW> Can't see a log relating to nbd. Any idea what it might be under?
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| 14:12 | <johnny> just in /var/log/messages
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| 14:12 | if it logs at all
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| 14:12 | <ChrisWW> Just checking now...
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| 14:15 | Well there's enough LTSP kernel messages in there to sink a battleship, nothing relating to nbd
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| 14:16 | A search for "fail" only returned 3 pulseaudio messages
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| 14:17 | The last entry is an audit message, apparently relating to cups
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| 14:17 | <johnny> yeah.. the app armor stuff probably
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| 14:17 | but definitely not related
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| 14:18 | <ChrisWW> I should point out I followed the Ubuntu quickinstall guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 14:18 | <ChrisWW> Haven't changed any IP addresses or anything
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| 14:19 | <johnny> hmm.. it sounds like the connection dropped out from under it..
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| 14:20 | <Gadi> hey, all
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| 14:20 | <johnny> try a nother computer ?
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| 14:20 | <Gadi> ChrisWW: if you are debugging why a client disconnects, try disabling the bootsplash
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| 14:20 | delete "splash" in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 14:21 | it could be a wonky network driver
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| 14:21 | <ChrisWW> Could it just be down to the fact that I'm trying it out in Virtualbox? I'll try disabling bootsplash and see what I get.
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| 14:21 | <Gadi> but, you'll get more error info
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| 14:22 | oh, and in virtual box, try stopping the client entirely and "cold booting" it
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| 14:22 | rather than reset
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| 14:22 | I have had weird issues with Intrepid and virtualbox like that
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| 14:23 | <ChrisWW> OK, disabled splash. About to fire up TC from a cold start...
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> vagrantc: yes, it is based off of stgraber's stuff - stgraber and I had talked about a setup that would allow for easy drop in hacks
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| 14:25 | <rjune_> !g
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| 14:25 | <ltspbot`> rjune_: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 14:25 | <johnny> if so where does the ltsp-cluster stuff go.
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| 14:25 | <Gadi> hey, rjune
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| 14:25 | johnny: ltsp-cluster (on the client) goes away
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| 14:25 | <johnny> goes away when?
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| 14:25 | <Gadi> its being integrated into upstream
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| 14:25 | <johnny> aha
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| 14:26 | even the inventory and getlscfg version?
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> yeah - basically, it will be triggered by the presence of a file in /etc
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| 14:26 | I forget which atm
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| 14:26 | no file, and everything is as normal
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| 14:26 | stgraber had some non-cluster hacks in his ltsp-cluster
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| 14:27 | to fix xorg issues and such
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| 14:27 | with our new infrastructure, we can accommodate all of that
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| 14:27 | and a bag of chips
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| 14:27 | :)
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| 14:27 | <johnny> maybe i'll just ignore it then
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| 14:27 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 14:27 | thats the spirit!
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| 14:27 | <johnny> i've updated my ebuilds to trunk as of yesterday
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| 14:28 | <Gadi> I saw
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| 14:28 | <ChrisWW> OK, got a bit more out of the TC this time: "nbd0: Receive control failed (result -32). Kernel call returned: Broken pipe Reconnecting. Negotiation: ..size= 156428KB. Error: Ioctl/1.1a failed: Bad file descriptor".
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| 14:28 | <Gadi> its good
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| 14:28 | <johnny> i tested ubuntu with ldm on SCREEN_01 .. and it works
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| 14:29 | <Gadi> yeah - Ive been using it like that for years (tho on gutsy)
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| 14:29 | :)
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| 14:29 | * Gadi hates SCREEN_07 | |
| 14:29 | <johnny> sadly.. debian and gentoo (and who knows what else) still relies on /etc/inittab with a terminal spawned there
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| 14:29 | <Gadi> ChrisWW: I have had similar errors with vbox, but it keep reconnecting and eventually goes
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| 14:29 | <johnny> so.. i'm gonna try to get that solved
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| 14:30 | <Gadi> ChrisWW: I have heard rumor of a magic kernel param to send to the client or some such
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| 14:30 | <johnny> on the gentoo side
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| 14:30 | <Gadi> but I dont know what it is
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| 14:30 | <ChrisWW> Hmm. OK. Maybe I need a witchdoctor ;)
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| 14:30 | <johnny> so perhaps we'll have to make a restriction just for debian
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| 14:30 | <Gadi> johnny: Ubuntu runs a getty on tty1 by default, too
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| 14:30 | from upstart
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| 14:30 | <johnny> oh
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| 14:30 | <Gadi> I delete it
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| 14:30 | <johnny> hmm.. i didn't remove anything
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| 14:30 | and it still worked
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| 14:30 | <Gadi> in: /etc/event.d/tty1
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| 14:30 | ah, then you have arace condition
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| 14:30 | :)
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| 14:31 | <johnny> thanks Gadi
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| 14:31 | good to know
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| 14:31 | <Gadi> Ubuntu has a plugin to ltsp-build-client that removes all getty's but tty1
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| 14:31 | otherwise there would be 6!
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| 14:31 | :)
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| 14:31 | dunno why debian cannot do the same
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| 14:31 | and just sed inittab as a plugin
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| 14:32 | <johnny> i'm find with 6 :)
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| 14:32 | just not on 1 :)
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| 14:32 | <Gadi> if you ask me, it was a lack of respect to LTSP4 that made everything move to tty7
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| 14:32 | I don't buy this tty1=console argument
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| 14:32 | :)
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| 14:33 | <johnny> i think it was the fact that vt7 has been default for X for years
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| 14:33 | <ChrisWW> OK, I think I'm going to put this down to Voodoo on the part of VirtualBox. I'll try VB 2.06, but I guess I'll have to move straight on to physical hardware for my tech-demo.
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| 14:33 | <johnny> not at all related to ltsp
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| 14:33 | it was just to keep in time with the norms
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| 14:33 | of a standard dist
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| 14:33 | <Gadi> johnny: vt1 has been the default for LTSP for years, too
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| 14:33 | :)
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| 14:33 | <ChrisWW> Thank you johnny and Gadi. You help is very much appreciated. :)
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| 14:33 | <Gadi> ChrisWW: np
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| 14:33 | <johnny> just not the default for a standard nix desktop Gadi
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| 14:33 | <Gadi> try asking the ubuntu guys for the magic words
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| 14:33 | <johnny> ltsp4 was it's own distro.. so it could do that
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| 14:33 | <Gadi> er, kernel params
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| 14:34 | and if you find it lemme know
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| 14:34 | <johnny> and make such a local modification
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| 14:34 | <Gadi> :)
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| 14:34 | <johnny> with ltsp5.. it went in line with the rest of the world
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| 14:34 | and now we're at the case where the rest of the world is moving to vt1 :)
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| 14:34 | due to kms stuff
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| 14:34 | hehe
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| 14:35 | <Gadi> johnny: well... we are still at liberty to make a thin client function as we please
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| 14:35 | :)
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| 14:35 | bwahahaha
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| 14:35 | <ChrisWW> Will do, Gadi. hopefully talk to you guys again soon.
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| 14:35 | <johnny> sure.. but we've tried to make as few modificatiosn to the default os install as possible
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| 14:35 | the ubuntu install is very little modified from the default install as i can tell
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| 14:36 | * Gadi looks around for ubuntu's getty's on tty2-tty6 | |
| 14:36 | <Gadi> ;)
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> ChrisWW: I didn't see the whole conversation, but lts.conf doesn't get transfered to the chroot if you use Virtualbox
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| 14:36 | (don't know if this has anything to do with your problem)
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| 14:36 | <Gadi> alkisg: since when?
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> Gadi, since always, vbox tftp support is broken
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| 14:37 | <ChrisWW> Ah ha!
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| 14:37 | <Gadi> alkisg: not for me
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| 14:37 | <alkisg> You have to put lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot and use binary mode to transfer it
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| 14:37 | Gadi, sorry, over NAT
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| 14:37 | <Gadi> I must have the magic version
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| 14:37 | :)
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| 14:37 | <alkisg> Works with internal networking
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| 14:37 | <Gadi> oh
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| 14:37 | hmm
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| 14:38 | <ChrisWW> Hmm, I'm using internal networking, not NAT. Mind you, could be a 2.04 thing. Just downloading 2.06 now...
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| 14:38 | <Gadi> I thought binary is the default
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| 14:38 | <alkisg> Gadi, no, in ltsp_nbd netascii is used (which is the default)
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| 14:38 | <Gadi> well, we could set binary in the initramfs easily enough
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| 14:38 | does it break in real life over NAT?
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| 14:39 | <johnny> alkisg, are you using dnsmasq?
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| 14:39 | afaik that issue was related to dnsmasq
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| 14:39 | not related to vbox at all..
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> Johnny: with vbox/nat networking, the internal dhcp server is used
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| 14:39 | <johnny> sure.. but not tftp..
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| 14:39 | which is what i thought mattered
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| 14:40 | <alkisg> johnny: dnsmasq solved this in 2.42 (or 0.42, don't remember the first digit of the version), vbox hasn't solved it yet
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| 14:40 | johnny: tftp server too
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| 14:40 | Gadi, dhcp over nat? I think it requires a dhcp proxy
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| 14:40 | <johnny> sure.. but i'm confused how the dhcp server would affect the transfer mode of the file
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| 14:40 | <alkisg> Gadi: but I've never done that, I don't know...
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| 14:40 | <Gadi> alkisg: it does - it requires ip-helper
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| 14:40 | which works for me
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| 14:41 | but, I may actually set binary tftp in my ltsp_nbd
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| 14:41 | <johnny> which is not at all related to tftp..
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| 14:41 | <alkisg> johnny: the vbox dhcp server doesn't support the netascii transfer mode
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| 14:41 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 14:41 | <alkisg> So if one tries to "get lts.conf", it fails.
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| 14:41 | <johnny> huh? dhcp server?
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| 14:41 | why would a dhcp server support a transfer mode?
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| 14:41 | <alkisg> johnny: sorry, tftp
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| 14:41 | <Gadi> alkisg: u mean the tftp server
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| 14:41 | <alkisg> But "bin" and then "get lts.conf" succeeds
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| 14:41 | <johnny> vbox doesn' thave a tftp server
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| 14:41 | <alkisg> johnny: sure it does
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| 14:42 | You even have to make a .Virtualbox/TFTP subdirectory
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| 14:42 | <johnny> oh
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| 14:42 | i always ran it with host interface
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| 14:42 | with tun/tap devices
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| 14:42 | and used my external tftp server
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| 14:43 | <alkisg> johnny: I did that too, but in my laptop I use NAT, it makes it easier for networkmanager...
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| 14:47 | <ChrisWW> find
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| 14:48 | So, where is the lts.conf file stored?
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| 14:50 | <OculusAquilae> hi
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| 14:51 | <ChrisWW> Ah, found it. Not to worry.
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| 14:52 | <OculusAquilae> I'm using ltsp on a ubuntu server with LDAP authentification. Logging in via LDAP works on the server but not on one of the thin clients. I don't come beyond "checking password".
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> Gadi: overall, i like the idea of the screen-session.d scripts ... though i would use more of the full range of numbers ... i.e. not just 00, 01, 98 and 99 ...
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> Gadi: doesn't leave room to slip other stuff in
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> vagrantc, 96-, 961-, 97-. :)
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| 14:59 | (at least in shell ordering)
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| 15:00 | * vagrantc wonders what's so wrong with using 03-97 | |
| 15:00 | <jhutchins> I can't seem to get my ltsp client to mount local devices.
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> !release
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| 15:01 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> jhutchins: ^^
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| 15:02 | <jhutchins> It sees them. I can mount them to the local machine from the console, but that doesn't do any good. All of the troubleshooting steps in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev are ok, except the ltsp udev rule. Debian etchandahalf w/LTSP5
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> jhutchins: what's "local machine" ?
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| 15:03 | <jhutchins> the client
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| 15:03 | root console (not xterm)
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> yeah, got it.
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| 15:04 | jhutchins: are the client's booting etchnhalf kernels?
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| 15:05 | <jhutchins> hm. client is running 2.6.18-6-486 #1 Thu Oct 9 15:23:10 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> jhutchins: and are you saying the step that isn't working is: "Step 3: Did the ltsp udev rules fire?"
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| 15:06 | <jhutchins> Is that etch.5?
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> jhutchins: that's the original etch kernel.
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| 15:06 | jhutchins: i've never tested etchnhalf kernels with ltsp.
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| 15:06 | <jhutchins> They don't appear to be part of the current packaging.
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> !debver
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| 15:07 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: "debver" is not a valid command.
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> !vers
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| 15:07 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: "vers" is not a valid command.
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> !ver
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| 15:07 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}'
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> jhutchins: could you run that ^^ and paste to the pastebot?
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| 15:08 | <jhutchins> server or client?
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> jhutchins: run the whole command on the server.
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| 15:08 | jhutchins: please cut and paste.
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| 15:10 | <jhutchins> !pastebot
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| 15:10 | <ltspbot`> jhutchins: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 15:11 | <ltsppbot> "jhutchins" pasted "LTSP summary" (14 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/135
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| 15:24 | <vagrantc> jhutchins: so, again, which step is failing? "Step 3: Did the ltsp udev rules fire?" ??
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| 15:37 | <ltsppbot> "alkisg" pasted "ltsp !ver with aligned output" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/136
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| 15:37 | <alkisg> (I'm just trying to learn awk...)
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| 15:44 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i only do it that way because the ltspbot was interpreting some special characters
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| 15:45 | <vagrantc> don't remember what exactly
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> vagrantc, #ltsp needs a better bot! :) It can't even "inform someone about something"...
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| 15:45 | So we have to use ^^^^ all the time! :)
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| 15:46 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yeah, that would be nice.
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| 15:47 | overall, though, i don't think it's so bad. except i can never remember !ver
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> Heh!... I'm looking at a python bot, http://inamidst.com/phenny/ - looks nice...
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| 15:49 | <vagrantc> i think ltspbot` is a supybot
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| 15:49 | !version
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| 15:49 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.3. The newest version available online is 0.83.3.
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| 16:31 | <EAG> hmm what would you say is minimum specs for a thinclient to stream video and audio without problems?
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| 16:41 | <johnny> network is mostly the issue
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| 16:41 | unless you're running applications locally
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| 16:46 | <EAG> ok
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| 16:46 | hmm
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| 16:47 | I am not playing around with ltsp at the moment, but it is a thinclient (fujitsu-siemens FUTRO S500) with nxclient
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| 16:47 | it cant handle video somehow...
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| 16:47 | :(
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| 16:48 | maybe it has to do with ssh then
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| 16:50 | the FUTRO-thin client doesnt boot my ubuntu-image for some reason if I try the pxe-boot
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| 19:05 | <alex_21> Hi, I have Netvistas 2200. I need to bring them up under ltsp 5. They also need to be upgraded and I was told I could do this with an LTSP server. Any Idea how to do this?
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| 19:58 | <alex_21> Hi, I have Netvistas 2200. I need to bring them up under ltsp 5. They also need to be upgraded and I was told I could do this with an LTSP server. Any Idea how to do this?
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| 19:59 | <maicod> warren: are you here?
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| 19:59 | ivazquez said I needed to ask you about nfs things
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| 20:00 | <warren> maicod: what OS?
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| 20:00 | <maicod> warren: fedora
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| 20:00 | <warren> maicod: NFS hangs during client boot
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| 20:00 | ?
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| 20:00 | maicod: which fedora?
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| 20:00 | <maicod> 10
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| 20:00 | I am planning this:
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| 20:00 | install fedora on a hdd on my thin client
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| 20:01 | then move it to my linux server
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| 20:01 | and let it boot with pxe
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| 20:01 | I got pxe setup on the server
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| 20:01 | tftboot directory etc.
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| 20:01 | it works with another nfs system
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| 20:01 | <warren> why install on the hdd of the thin client?
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| 20:01 | <maicod> eh to make it easier to install ?
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| 20:01 | <warren> how is that easier?
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| 20:01 | <maicod> or can I install directly ?
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| 20:02 | ehm dunno im not THAT handy :)
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| 20:02 | with linux im a bit handy but not very yet
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| 20:02 | <warren> Normally you install into a chroot on the server with the tool we provide that is one-step easy
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| 20:02 | It seems that you are not following directions.
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| 20:02 | <maicod> okay what I got now is this:
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| 20:02 | clients dir with a p4 dir in which the file system is from another nfs installation
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| 20:03 | <warren> If you want to do something contrary to the directions, you are wasting my time. You might be able to get advice from the mailing list.
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| 20:03 | <maicod> warren: I am not ignoring you. who said I was ?
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| 20:03 | <warren> You are missing the point entirely.
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| 20:03 | <maicod> please why get so annoyed. I didn't wanna annoy you at all man !
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| 20:03 | <warren> What stops you from installing the chroot on the server in the normal documented way, then moving that chroot to another server to boot as NFS?
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| 20:03 | <maicod> why so ehm defensive ?
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| 20:03 | <warren> Because you are missing the point.
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| 20:04 | <maicod> I was just trying to ask things
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| 20:04 | can't I ?
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| 20:04 | just trying to explain what I got now
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| 20:04 | <warren> Then look at /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to re-point to a different NFS server and mount directory for the nfs root dir.
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| 20:04 | <maicod> to make my situatiionclearer
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| 20:04 | <warren> I'm telling you that you are missing the point and I don't have time to deal with your bad idea.
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| 20:04 | <maicod> im not following that idea
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| 20:05 | <warren> Have you got it running in the normal way first? It might be more understandable how to do it in a non-standard way thereafter.
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| 20:05 | <maicod> I havent' installed fedora yet on that clients hdd so if u help me I will use the method you said
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| 20:05 | <warren> You can literally get it running in the normal way in 10-15 minutes WITHING EVEN INSTALLING ANYTHING
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| 20:05 | Why is client's HDD inportant?
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| 20:05 | important?
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| 20:05 | <maicod> not
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| 20:06 | thought u meant to ask if I HAD installed it
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| 20:06 | u meant over nfs right ?
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| 20:06 | u said default way so I figured u meant on a local hdd
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| 20:06 | sorry maybe you have to few time to get me 'feeling easy' about how to proceed
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| 20:07 | ivazquez was very helpful and patient and he recommend i'd ask your help for nfs things
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| 20:07 | <warren> sigh
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| 20:07 | maicod: you are missing the point of LTSP entirely.
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| 20:08 | <maicod> im not using ltsp yet
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| 20:08 | <warren> maicod: please follow the directions and try it in the standard way first, then ask questions.
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| 20:08 | <maicod> I got an older variant
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| 20:08 | <warren> http://k12linux.org
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| 20:08 | <maicod> okay
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| 20:08 | thanks warren
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| 20:08 | <warren> download the latest ISO, install it onto a 2GB USB stick using the instructions or burn onto a DVD
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| 20:08 | Follow the directions.
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| 20:08 | This is NOT the client's installer, this is the server.
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| 20:09 | <maicod> oh but someone said I should find you and you were on #ltsp
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| 20:09 | I didnt come here for ltsp
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| 20:09 | see ?
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| 20:09 | <warren> That does not matter.
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| 20:09 | <maicod> more for a client setup
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| 20:09 | okay
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| 20:09 | <warren> See how it works
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| 20:09 | <maicod> the thin client won't boot from usb
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| 20:09 | <warren> You can demo both and server and client from Live boot without installing anything at all
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| 20:09 | <maicod> and I got no dvd-rom
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| 20:10 | will I be able to use the cd isos ?
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| 20:10 | <warren> You are not listening
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| 20:10 | This boots the SERVER, not client
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| 20:10 | <maicod> oh
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| 20:10 | I understand
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| 20:10 | <warren> The server serves PXE, tftp and nfs root
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| 20:10 | entirely from the live media
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| 20:10 | <maicod> I see !!
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| 20:10 | now I get it
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| 20:10 | <warren> Figure out how THAT works before you proceed on your thing
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| 20:11 | <maicod> okay
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| 20:11 | but i run redhat 6.2 on the server which is gonna serve the filesystem for the thin client so I think it needs an older approach then ltsp
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| 20:11 | <warren> you are in dire condition if you still use redhat 6.2
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| 20:12 | why 6.2?
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| 20:12 | that isn't safe at all anymore.
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| 20:12 | <maicod> sure I;ve been told that a zillion times
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| 20:12 | <warren> because it is TRUE
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| 20:12 | <maicod> okay I believe it
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| 20:12 | <warren> but well, the nfs server needed to serve the thin client is only nfsv3 readonly with no locking, so redhat 6.2 might be able to handle that... theoretically
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| 20:13 | but nobody will help you
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| 20:13 | <maicod> it works !
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| 20:13 | it server my P4
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| 20:13 | serves
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| 20:13 | <warren> Why is it 6.2?
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| 20:13 | and why is it important to stick with it?
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| 20:13 | <maicod> its an old Pentium1
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| 20:13 | cause I would need to setup everything again on the newer linyx
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| 20:13 | linux
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| 20:13 | <warren> Pentium1 is barely powerful enough to be a LTSP client these days
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| 20:14 | <maicod> I am not very good in seting up things
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| 20:14 | <warren> in fact, Pentium1 is likely not good enough at all for a LTSP client
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| 20:14 | <maicod> I got help years ago with the redhat 6.2
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| 20:14 | <warren> you need at least 128MB RAM
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| 20:14 | <maicod> but why would it be ltsp ?
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| 20:14 | I mean is ltsp a newer version of pxe ?
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| 20:14 | <warren> I'm sorry, you are not listening again.
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| 20:14 | <maicod> tftp
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| 20:14 | okay sorry im confused
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| 20:14 | let me go try things myself then
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| 20:15 | thanks for your time!
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| 20:15 | <warren> I need to get important work done that benefits thousands globally. You have demonstrated that you are trying to do something 1) foolish 2) effects only you.
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| 20:15 | I told you exactly what to do.
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| 20:15 | good luck
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| 20:15 | <maicod> thanks warren !
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| 20:15 | I appreciate it
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| 20:15 | I mean that honestly. go do your work :)
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| 20:15 | * warren supposes he could deal with these situations in a more diplomatic way. | |
| 20:16 | <maicod> I see your not unkind just a bit too important for more persons at once then for only me
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| 20:16 | you're a developer for fedora ?
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| 20:19 | <rjune_> warren: wow, you have a way with people
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| 20:20 | <warren> rjune_: how else am I supposed to deal with people who don't follow directions and do not listen?
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| 20:20 | <rjune_> oh, that's exactly right
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| 20:22 | <warren> "I need your help to put square wheels on my cart. No I didn't read your instructions of how a car works. Oh btw, I don't have a cart."
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| 20:24 | <alex_21> Hi, I have Netvistas 2200. I need to bring them up under ltsp 5. They also need to be upgraded and I was told I could do this with an LTSP server. Any Idea how to do this?
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| 20:26 | <warren> alex_21: LTSP typically boots diskless clients, it doesn't "upgrade" a client
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| 20:27 | alex_21: you could concievably bypass onboard disks and just use the net booted client operating systems, assuming the client hardware can handle the more modern linux client OS.
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| 20:27 | now how to boot your clients in that way I don't know
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| 20:27 | every client is different
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| 20:32 | <alex_21> Well, it needs a firmware upgrade over nfs/tftp with bootP
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| 20:33 | To be able to handle Linux OS s
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| 20:33 | <warren> I might be more productive offline.
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| 20:45 | * Ryan52 commits his horrible attempt at writing a little bit of python code | |
| 20:46 | <warren> Ryan52: how well tested is that patch?
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| 20:47 | Ryan52: will older versions of ldm work with the new ldminfod and vice versa?
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| 20:47 | <Ryan52> yes. all combinations will work fine.
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| 20:47 | <warren> good
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| 20:53 | <warren> petre: pyserial and hplip are needed for jetpipe to work at all
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| 20:53 | ?
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| 20:54 | petre: (not localapps printing to jetpipe case?)
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| 20:54 | <petre> warren, pyserial is
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| 20:54 | <warren> ok
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| 20:54 | <petre> hplip is probably just needed for the printer I had
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| 20:54 | by pyserial is needed on the client side
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| 20:54 | hplip would be needed server side
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| 20:55 | <warren> on the LTSP server?
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| 20:55 | <petre> hplip is drivers for hp printers, in a single package/management tool
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| 20:56 | jetpipe is print server daemon, basically
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| 20:56 | yes, on the LTSP server
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| 20:56 | <warren> Ryan52: I'd like to tag tomorrow for a new release.
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| 20:56 | Ryan52: will you be all done?
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| 20:57 | <petre> warren, are you rebuilding rc1 or is this for f10?
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| 20:57 | <warren> petre: F10
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| 20:57 | petre: I'm updating ltsp and ldm in F9
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| 20:57 | petre: I'll update the kickstart scripts for F9 tomorrow as well, you can try to make a new F9 image.
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| 20:57 | i'm focusing on F10
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| 20:58 | petre: F9 might be ready for a release now, F10 there are a few OS (kernel and X) bugs I want fixed before moving forward.
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| 20:58 | no chance of K12Linux F10 final now, maybe an rc.
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| 20:58 | <petre> warren, I'll need some help on making the f9 image
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| 20:58 | <Ryan52> warren: ya, that last commit is done and working..
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| 20:58 | <warren> Ryan52: ok
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| 20:59 | Ryan52: maybe tag now then?
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| 20:59 | <Ryan52> ya.
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| 21:03 | <petre> warren, do you have any notes or a quick overview of the steps you go through?
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| 21:03 | or is it mostly kickstart scripts?
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| 21:03 | <warren> petre: yum install livecd-tools
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| 21:04 | petre: cd /etc/ltsp/live-config/fedora9
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| 21:04 | <Ryan52> ;/g 24
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| 21:04 | err, oops.
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| 21:04 | <warren> petre: livecd-creator --help
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| 21:04 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 21:05 | <warren> petre: you want to run the command on live-ltsp-server.ks, but you also
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| 21:05 | petre: want to supply a cache directory so you can re-run it again and it wont need to download everything again
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| 21:05 | petre: specify /tmp or somewhere
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| 21:06 | petre: but the current ltsp-server has the old name of quickstart RPM
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| 21:06 | <petre> hey jammcq
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| 21:06 | <warren> petre: so I am correcting that in the new RPM version
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| 21:07 | <alex_21> Hi, I have Netvistas 2200. I need to bring them up under ltsp 5. They also need to be upgraded and I was told I could do this with an LTSP server. Any Idea how to do this? I need to update all firmware and then set them up using nfs/TFTP with BootP. How can I do this?
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| 21:08 | <warren> alex_21: I already told you that LTSP doesn't do what you want.
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| 21:08 | asking again is not going to change that.
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| 21:08 | <petre> warren, you saw that in version 0.3 of the rpm I renamed it?
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| 21:08 | <warren> petre: yes;.
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| 21:09 | <petre> still calls firefox, though ;-)
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| 21:10 | <warren> petre: it is necessary in F9, it appears fixed in F10
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| 21:10 | we'll change it when F-9 is gone
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| 21:11 | Ryan52: i'm tagging now then
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| 21:11 | <Ryan52> okay.
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| 21:12 | <warren> if broken, will tag again!
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| 21:13 | crap, it is broken
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| 21:13 | argh, don't care, pushing anyway
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| 21:14 | Ryan52: any word on the ldm interface rewrite?
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| 21:14 | Ryan52: if it doesn't come soon, then I'm committing my alt layout as IFDEF's
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| 21:14 | <Ryan52> warren: I dunno. that's ogra's thing.
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| 21:14 | warren: and he hasn't put any bzr repos up anywhere, so I can't help..
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| 21:24 | <Ryan52> warren: so, uhhh, how is it broken?
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| 21:24 | <warren> Ryan52: fedora specific problem
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| 21:24 | <Ryan52> oh, okay, good :)
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| 21:39 | <warren> petre: i'll let you know when the new rpms are ready
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| 21:39 | petre: tomorrow
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| 21:39 | <petre> warren, ok
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| 21:40 | I probably won't get to rebuilding the f9 until Thurs.
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| 21:40 | although I might be able to start tomorrow night
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| 21:41 | <warren> no problem then
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| 21:41 | <Ryan52> warren: are you gonna tag ldm-trunk tonight? /me doesn't want to have to merge later :)
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| 21:41 | <warren> Ryan52: i'll tag now, but didn't test it yet
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| 21:41 | Ryan52: actually, go ahead and tag... i'm going to sleep
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| 21:41 | <Ryan52> how? :)
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| 21:42 | <warren> you haven't tagged before?
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| 21:42 | <Ryan52> nope.
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| 21:42 | <warren> bump the number, checkin
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| 21:42 | mkdst tag
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| 21:42 | <Ryan52> okay.
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| 21:42 | <warren> check that it looks correct with bzr viz or something
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| 21:42 | then push it
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| 21:47 | <Ryan52> amazing :)
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| 23:28 | <Ryan52> stgraber: fyi, I have the x_session function split out to a shell script, and have the dmrc parsing almost done.
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