IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 8 September 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:39 | <ltspuser_39> hi there, anyone around tonight
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| 04:39 | I'm frustrated after hours of GOOGLing
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| 04:40 | <Pecker> question is?
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| 04:40 | <ltspuser_39> so I built an LTSP server, and have a client workstation that PXE boots from it. It had been working fine... and then I changed the "login screen" to a different graphic, and now the client can't ever login again
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| 04:40 | it boots up fine and "looks" like it's going to login but never actually gets the desktop
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| 04:41 | I tried changing the login screen back but it still does the same thing
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| 04:41 | so I can't figure out what it is
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| 04:41 | Xwindows is running on the server, checked that
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| 04:42 | <alkisg> What do you mean "changed the login screen to a different graphic"? Are you still using LDM, or did you switch to e.g. GDM?
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| 04:43 | <ltspuser_39> no still using LDM as far as I know... Just changed the login screen graphic for the PXE boot client
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| 04:43 | so it has the school logo on it
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| 04:43 | <alkisg> Which distro/version?
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| 04:43 | <ltspuser_39> Centos 6
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| 04:43 | <alkisg> Ah, ok, no idea there
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| 04:43 | <ltspuser_39> drats
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| 04:44 | anyone else around that might know something? I really don't want to blow it away and start over
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| 04:45 | <Pecker> sudo ltsp-update-image ?
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| 04:45 | just to be sure
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| 04:47 | <ltspuser_39> ok running that now
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| 04:47 | what does that do?
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| 04:47 | <Pecker> it updates the image clients boot from
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| 04:47 | <ltspuser_39> ok that's what I thought
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| 04:47 | <Pecker> some setting changes require this image to be updated
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| 04:48 | <ltspuser_39> ahhhh
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| 04:48 | <Pecker> which ones requires it though can be crazy to figure out it seems
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| 04:48 | <ltspuser_39> if I change the IP address of the LTPS server, will I need to run this script again?
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| 04:48 | the server is running in my house (test/config) but will be moved to the school soon for production (grade school)
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| 04:49 | <alkisg> Does Centos use NBD or NFS?
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| 04:49 | <Pecker> ip as in the net interface or the ltsp interface (assuming 2 interface setup)
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| 04:49 | <ltspuser_39> NFS I believe
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| 04:50 | I have to run single interface mode
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| 04:50 | I wish I could run the split mode but the way the network is configured in the school, that won't fly
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| 04:50 | <Pecker> i dont think youd have to update the image..but if something doesnt work it doesnt hurt to update it
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| 04:50 | <ltspuser_39> they have 5 and 8-port hubs in the classrooms that these LTSP terminals will share with other computers
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| 04:51 | so while I would love to isolate the network for these terminals, that won't happen
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| 04:52 | bummer...that didn't work. I rebooted the PXE client and still having the same thing
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| 04:52 | you sign in with a valid name, it looks like it's going to sign in and then pops back to the login screen again
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| 04:53 | <Pecker> weird
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| 04:53 | although i seem to have that with ubntu 10.04
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| 04:53 | <ltspuser_39> if you enter the wrong ID/Pass you get a different error and then it asks you to login again
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| 04:53 | it's not doing that
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| 04:53 | <Pecker> after a few tries it finally logs in
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| 04:53 | <ltspuser_39> I've tried it 4 times
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| 04:53 | <Pecker> yeah for me if it still wont login then something is up
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| 04:53 | <alkisg> ltspuser_39: on the server, do you get a successful authentication attempt at /ver/log/auth.log?
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| 04:53 | <ltspuser_39> hmm let me look
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| 04:54 | <Pecker> should you have to update the ssh keys for a login screen change?
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| 04:54 | <ltspuser_39> there isn't an auth.log
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| 04:54 | I'm not using SSH
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| 04:55 | <alkisg> OK, centos is too different to be try to be helpful without actually using it :)
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| 04:55 | <Pecker> yeah same felling here
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| 04:55 | <ltspuser_39> rats
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| 04:55 | that's the frustration I have with the different distributions
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| 04:55 | in the business world, everyone uses Centos/RH
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| 04:55 | for servers
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| 04:56 | so that's what I know
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| 04:56 | Ubuntu is too different
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| 04:56 | as a volunteer, I have to support this once it's live
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| 04:56 | can't go with something I don't know really well
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| 04:56 | :*
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| 04:56 | :(
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| 04:57 | anyone else here familiar with LTSP on Fedora/Centos
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| 04:59 | any of you guys integrate LTSP into AD?
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| 05:00 | I'm hoping to configure groups in Windows AD that provide access rights to the LTSP server
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| 05:00 | <alkisg> http://w3techs.com/technologies/history_details/os-linux => here it says debian is first, centos second...
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| 05:01 | * alkisg doesn't care about distros, he was just suddened to hear that "in the business world, everyone uses Centos/RH" | |
| 05:01 | <Pecker> rofl
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| 05:03 | <alkisg> Fedora does have 389 for AD, and there's also likewise open... haven't used any of those
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| 06:21 | <ltspuser_80> I was on here before but had to reboot... Anyone around that knows LTSP on Centos/RH?
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| 06:33 | anyone around?
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| 06:50 | <ltspuser_80> hi there
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| 11:05 | <knipwim> !seen nubae
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| 11:05 | <ltsp> nubae was last seen in #ltsp 32 weeks, 4 days, 14 hours, 48 minutes, and 1 second ago: <Nubae> i shall document my troubles
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| 11:39 | <knipwim> anyone else have experience with VIA Chrome9 video?
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| 11:54 | <gvy> IIRC only earlier ones
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| 11:55 | like the one found with via c7
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| 11:56 | <markit> hi ppl :)
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| 11:57 | hi alkisg :) I've added users so far with adduser and not including them in secondary groups "dialout,cdrom,floppy,plugdev,scanner,lpadmin,sambashare", will it be an issue?
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| 11:57 | better fix asap?
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| 12:06 | <gvy> do they need the devices/resources that these groups enable access to?
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| 12:07 | <alkisg> markit: http://koeritz.org/docs/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html
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| 12:08 | <markit> alkisg: yes, I know they are needed to access resources, but with thin client everythign went ok neverless (i.e. access usb key in teh client)
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| 12:08 | so wondering if are really needed for students, and if with FAT clients things change
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| 12:13 | in addition I see that don't belong to audio group
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| 12:14 | gvy: is needed to access or modify? i.e. without belong to cdrom they can still play a cdrom, as far as I can see... maybe can't burn a cd
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| 12:16 | <gvy> markit, depends on device permissions -- in some cases a group membership might be needed to access for read either
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| 12:17 | the rule of thumb is: don't fix what ain't broken ;-)
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| 12:30 | <pritesh> can anyone help for installing the openthinclient server
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| 12:35 | <alkisg> markit: each of those groups is needed for a different thing, you can't have a general answer that covers all of them. E.g. `ls -lha /dev | grep dialout` will show you which devices this group can access directly
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| 12:35 | pritesh: what is the "openthinclient server"?
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| 12:35 | <markit> alkisg: ah, I see, interesting the grep thing on /dev, but what do you do when you add an user?
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| 12:35 | do you add a student to the "ubuntu default" groups?
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| 12:36 | <alkisg> markit: only the groups we want them to have access to :)
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| 12:36 | So, e.g. sambashare, but not cdrom...
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| 12:36 | <markit> oh
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| 12:37 | <pritesh> alkisg look this http://openthinclient.org
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| 12:37 | <alkisg> pritesh: is that related to LTSP at all? Check www.ltsp.org
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| 13:02 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, hi. :)
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| 13:16 | <alkisg> hi Hyperbyte
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| 13:19 | <knipwim> gvy: you got any working experience with a VIA Technologies, Inc. CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC]?
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| 13:20 | by default, X is not starting at all
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| 13:20 | <gvy> knipwim, lemme look in archives...
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| 13:23 | knipwim, there was a success report last March: http://www.altlinux.org/LTSP/beta (in Russian but ids should be readable)
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| 13:23 | it's ALT Linux
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| 13:24 | I'd try to get hold of Xorg.0.log to pass it to the xorg maintainers in charge
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| 13:28 | <knipwim> nice, there is hope for me yet
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| 13:34 | <gvy> if you can boot a livecd there here's one using roughly the same codebase: http://ftp.linux.kiev.ua/pub/Linux/ALT/people/mike/iso/mkimage-profiles/live-icewm-20120305-i586.iso
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| 13:34 | not sure wrt the driver set though
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| 13:34 | <knipwim> yeah, i'm downloading the tested icewm now, see what's on there
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| 13:52 | <alkisg> knipwim: with some via chrome I had to use 'nomodeset', but I don't remember the model
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| 14:02 | <knipwim> well, it's starting with the openchrome driver < 0.3
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| 14:03 | the ideal way to set resolution is through XRANDR lts.conf options?
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| 14:10 | <alkisg> xrandr is fine, it allows changing the resolution later on
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| 14:10 | The xorg "preferred mode" is better, as it causes less flicker, but we don't have support for that
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| 14:11 | And, X_HORZSYNC/vertrefresh are fine too, for setting the max==auto res...
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| 14:47 | <PhoenixSTF> When you have a network of about 1000 Fat-Clients, is it better to have servers on each switch(s) or just put fiber-optics from the Data-center to the switch
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| 14:49 | <Hyperbyte> PhoenixSTF, network latency added by switches is disregardable
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| 14:49 | <PhoenixSTF> Hyperbyte, That I know, I am more worried on line capacity
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| 14:50 | <Hyperbyte> Right, you meant having one fiber optic pipe for -all- your servers?
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| 14:50 | <PhoenixSTF> Hyperbyte, yes
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| 14:50 | <Hyperbyte> Then my next question is, how much capacity does your fiber optic have?
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| 14:50 | <PhoenixSTF> I think 10Gbps
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| 14:51 | i know 1 Gbps wont cut it
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| 14:51 | it would take too long to load every client at the same time
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| 14:53 | right?
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| 15:00 | <Hyperbyte> Fat or thin?
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| 15:00 | If thin, measure bandwith usage of average use and do the math
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| 15:00 | If fat, measure bandwith usage at boot and do the math...
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| 15:02 | <PhoenixSTF> thanks
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> How many clients per switch?
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> Wow, nice server... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=compulab_intensepc&num=2 ...or (very) fat client...
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| 15:14 | <knipwim> a bit of a noob question, xrandr says maximum size 1024x768, is that a video card issue, a driver issue or a cable issue?
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| 15:31 | <alkisg> knipwim: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.7.log
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| 15:32 | It's probably a driver issue, that can't read the monitor EDID info, assuming it does support more than 1024x768
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| 16:53 | <knipwim> alkisg: https://gist.github.com/3677100
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| 17:44 | <knipwim> the binary VIA drivers are all very old
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| 18:04 | <alkisg> knipwim: [ 41.238] (II) CHROME(0): <default monitor>: Using default hsync range of 31.50-48.00 kHz ==> you might have to use X_HORZSYNC / X_VERTREFRESH
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| 18:27 | <knipwim> alkisg: hmm, that didn't work exactly, at least not with the values i gave
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| 18:28 | but i can give the desired virtual size
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| 18:28 | only i get a small port onto it, i guess 1024x768
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| 23:36 | <ltspuser_81> hello
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| 23:37 | can I change my nick here, or do I need a fixed account for that (currently as guest)
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| 23:42 | <stgraber> ltspuser_81: type /nick <new nick>
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| 23:43 | <Dutch_master> gret, y\hx!
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| 23:43 | right, thick fingers :(
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| 23:43 | thx!
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| 23:44 | <stgraber> np
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| 23:45 | <Dutch_master> Is there anyone of the LTSP website online perhaps?
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| 23:45 | When I tried to get to the success stories, I can't
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| 23:46 | it wants to show a map, but that doesn't show
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| 23:46 | so I can't select any story, as I can't see them
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