IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 15 January 2020 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:20 | <alkisg> !ltsp.conf | echo jgee
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| 04:20 | <ltspbot> jgee ltsp.conf: Configuration file for LTSP: https://ltsp.org/man/ltsp.conf/
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| 04:21 | <alkisg> You need a custom xorg.conf atm, see the X_* parameters there
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| 04:22 | jgee: it's probably worth it to add it though, so maybe file a bug report about that
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| 04:23 | Hmm although... xoptions can be snippets new in new xorg, they don't need to reside inside a xorg.conf, so it's probably best to use a POST_INIT command instead
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| 04:25 | In some cases noaccel can also be passed as KERNEL_PARAMETERS, e.g. nouveau.noaccel=1
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| 05:07 | <jgee> alksig: it worked with the symbolic link to xorg.conf as documented. I'll try the snippets next. Didn't know about the kernel parameters, worth a try as well
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| 05:09 | <alkisg> jgee: which card, intel, nouveau?
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| 05:25 | !thin
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| 05:25 | <ltspbot> I do not know about 'thin', but I do know about these similar topics: 'thin-client-deprecation', 'thin-clients-bandwidth'
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| 05:25 | <alkisg> !thin-client-deprecation
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| 05:25 | <ltspbot> thin-client-deprecation: The new LTSP doesn't support thin clients (remote Xorg), but it does support low-spec netbooted clients with remote desktop (xfreerdp, x2go etc). Read more in https://github.com/ltsp/community/issues/32
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| 07:02 | <jgee> alkisg: it is AMD. You're right, these are HP Thinclients, although we'll only update to new LTSP on those who can work as fat. Still looking for reliable hardware platform and supplier to replace our HPs.
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| 07:02 | !cheap-client
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| 07:02 | <alkisg> !cheap-client
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| 07:02 | <ltspbot> cheap-client: https://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-c_11262/?attr=2081-1279
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| 07:02 | <alkisg> I think you had a space before it
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| 07:03 | <jgee> heh, thanks.
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| 07:04 | I'll have to revisit these Beelinks. Last time I tried we had trouble booting them from UEFI I think. The new ipxe should change the process, I think
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| 10:38 | <fred85> we are using epoptes on a debian 10 xfce system, fat client install. I can broadcast to screens, so the installation seems to be okay. However I can not send a message to the clients. Somebody knows what's wrong, maybe a missing package?
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| 10:38 | <alkisg> fred85: are you using the epoptes stable ppa?
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| 10:39 | <fred85> the one from debian 10 repo
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| 10:39 | <alkisg> I uploaded some related fixes; please test using the epoptes stable ppa
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| 10:39 | Both on the server and in the chroot
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| 10:39 | (if you have a chroot)
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| 10:40 | <fred85> no we do not have a chroot
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| 10:40 | <alkisg> OK, then add ppa, run apt full-upgrade, and ltsp update image
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| 10:41 | <fred85> We have "normal" fat-clients, so I guess I do not need ltsp update image?
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| 10:41 | <alkisg> Old or new ltsp?
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| 10:41 | Eeeh wait
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| 10:41 | When you say fat clients, do you mean standalone clients without ltsp?
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| 10:41 | <fred85> yes
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| 10:42 | <alkisg> OK, in the #ltsp channel we call those standalone, while fats are netbooted and diskless :D
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| 10:42 | OK then you need to do the update on each client
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| 10:42 | <fred85> Okay, I can do that. Thanks!
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| 10:42 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 10:43 | <fred85> Another question, maybe: I remember years ago I got a thumbnail preview of the clients. Now, I do not have it anymore
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| 10:43 | Is this feature still there?
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| 10:43 | <alkisg> A missing dependency; this one should also be fixed by the update
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| 10:44 | <fred85> ah, okay. Know what dependency?
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| 10:44 | <alkisg> You should see python-cairo something getting installed with the update
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| 10:44 | <fred85> okay, i will also try. Thanks!
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| 16:46 | <mheath_> Is there any elegant way to get around the (apparently hardcoded?) default IP of 192.168.67.1 for dual-NIC autoconfiguration of dnsmasq?
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| 16:48 | <alkisg> mheath_: no, the idea was that it would also be a fallback for the clients, which cannot locate a global server config file etc
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| 16:48 | E.g. "I cannot contact a dhcp server at all; let's connect to 192.168.67.1"
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| 16:50 | <uumas> Where would the client get their IP then?
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| 16:51 | <alkisg> They could boot from local kernel / initrd, without ip
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| 16:51 | If it's the "internal ltsp subnet", why does it hurt to have it hardcoded? Do you have the external subnet at 67?
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| 16:57 | <mheath_> alkisg: My (work in progress) terminal server is a two NIC setup, but it's connected to a large and somewhat complex server where the 192.168.67.* subnet is already in use.
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| 16:57 | I'd like to maintain access to that without a bunch of messy NATing.
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| 16:58 | <alkisg> Haha, tell them that 67 is the sum of L+T+S+P, they cannot have it :D
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| 16:59 | bbl :)
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| 17:04 | <highvoltage> whoah!
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| 17:08 | <alkisg> (in a more serious tone, this is of course a valid issue, you may file it in the issue tracker)
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| 17:08 | !ltsp-bug
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| 17:08 | <ltspbot> I do not know about 'ltsp-bug', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ltsp-nfs'
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| 17:08 | <alkisg> !issue
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| 17:08 | <ltspbot> I do not know about 'issue', but I do know about these similar topics: 'community-issues', 'ltsp-issues'
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| 17:08 | <alkisg> !ltsp-issues
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| 17:08 | <ltspbot> ltsp-issues: https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/issues is where you file bug reports or feature requests that can be addressed from the LTSP code base. See also !community-issues for more general LTSP questions or discussions
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| 19:19 | <douglas_br> Hello!
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| 19:22 | Please, people. I am search some model (not to expansive but good) processor. Mini pc I5 4200Y dual core ddr3 4 GB RAM can be good for client?
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| 19:26 | atom and celeron not good yeah?
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| 19:32 | <alkisg> What's the cpubenchmark.net score?
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| 19:32 | douglas_br: you google it and you reach https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4200Y+%40+1.40GHz&id=2101
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| 19:32 | This shows score 2399
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| 19:32 | The last one you proposed had 5000?
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| 19:32 | So the last one was 2 times faster
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| 19:33 | It's just cpubenchmark.net and simple math...
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| 19:46 | <||cw> it also depends on what you want the client to do
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| 19:54 | <douglas_br> alkisg What's the cpubenchmark.net score? ahhh rigth, I did not remember this site
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| 19:55 | ||cw it will use for office use
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| 19:55 | text processor, banks, youtube, skype, e-mail
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| 19:55 | <||cw> and? I have office users that a 4th gen i5 would be fine, and and ones that it most certainly is not fine
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| 19:56 | <douglas_br> not games, not edit movies, not design
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| 20:01 | <douglas_br> ||cw 4th gen? I did see nice price i7 4th gen
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| 20:02 | <||cw> i5 4200 is 4th gen. we're on 9th gen now.
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| 20:02 | <highvoltage> *10th gen
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| 20:04 | <douglas_br> alkisg what is your option specs from minimun Average CPU Mark for office (text, youtube, email, skype only)
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| 20:06 | <douglas_br> ||cw17:02:01i5 4200 is 4th gen. we're on 9th gen now.so.....this is not so good
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| 20:06 | put money in trash maybe
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| 20:07 | <mwalters> 4th gen would still do all those things just fine. I have a 4th gen i7 at home that I still use
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| 20:07 | it's just... old
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| 20:08 | I have a bunch of celeron J4005s for mostly web... gmail/drive... some libre office... they work fine
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| 20:10 | ttps://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/126135/intel-nuc-kit-nuc7cjyh.html
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| 20:12 | <douglas_br> I have fear to buy celeron J* . ....
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| 20:12 | * mwalters shrugs | |
| 20:13 | <mwalters> they work fine for us
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| 20:13 | have them in both these boxnucs, and a few gigabyte brix miniPCs
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| 20:14 | <mwalters> the intel i3s are also solid
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| 20:14 | not sure what the difference between the i3 & i5 is now-a-days, since you have dual core i5s?
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| 20:15 | used to be the i3 was dual core w/ hyper threading... and the i5 was 4 core, no HT
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| 20:15 | probably all marketing these days ;)
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| 20:15 | <alkisg> douglas_br: how many years do you want to keep them?
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| 20:16 | <douglas_br> at least 4, 5 years
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| 20:16 | <alkisg> I'd go for 3000+ cpubenchmark score and 4 RAM but after 3 years I'd increase the ram to 8 GB
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| 20:17 | <douglas_br> mwalters I agree
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| 20:18 | alkisg ahh right yes
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| 20:19 | <mwalters> I still have j1900s kicking around, w/ 8gb of memory
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| 20:19 | but we're not compute heavy
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| 20:24 | <||cw> right, I have compute heavy users and ones that aren't. and ones that's worth extra $$ to have a snappier system and ones that it isn't. also listing app you use doesn't tell us a thing about the workload
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| 20:29 | <douglas_br> ||cw I think the workload in Office is not hard, do not need top hardware config, but something can a good job, without pain use.
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| 20:30 | * can do
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| 20:48 | <douglas_br> people, thanks for the infos and help
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