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| 01:50 | <dgroos> Howdy!
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| 01:52 | Anyone have a recommended flavor of ubuntu 14.04 ltsp-pnp for a classroom? I’d prefer gnome as I’m familiar with that but if something is a good bit better I’ll branch out!
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| 01:52 | I’ll be doing fat clients with pretty good clients
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| 03:25 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yay!
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| 03:26 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I'm still worried about if it'll work fine with 32/64 bit. I can also create a small program that will show the various datatype sizes in those ARCHes, if we want to ...verify whether there are problems in a more "official" way
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| 03:28 | <vagrantc> alkisg: well, i can test on i386, amd64, armel, armhf ... that's all I care about, really.
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| 03:28 | <alkisg> If it works there, it should work in general
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| 03:32 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 03:32 | either i'm not actually applying the patch, or it's still producing warnings.
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| 03:33 | <alkisg> vagrantc: after applying the patch, there should be no local variables f_type, f_bsize, f_namelen
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| 03:33 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's still issuing the incompatible pointer type warnings:
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| 03:34 | <alkisg> So it shouldn't be possible to get warnings about them
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| 03:34 | <vagrantc> ltspfs.c: In function 'ltspfs_statfs':
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| 03:34 | ltspfs.c:907:5: warning: passing argument 2 of 'xdr_int' from incompatible pointer type xdr_int(&in, &stbuf->f_type); /* type of fs */
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| 03:34 | <alkisg> Right, that's a new one, isn't it?
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| 03:34 | The old one was about uninitialized variables...
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| 03:34 | <vagrantc> right
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| 03:35 | <alkisg> Is that warning on 64bit machine?
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| 03:35 | <vagrantc> yes.
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| 03:35 | lemme build on i386
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| 03:38 | alkisg: i386 builds without errors.
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| 03:38 | <alkisg> vagrantc: that's why sbalneav resorted to using local variables
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| 03:38 | But his implementation relies on undocumented features
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| 03:39 | So while I can easily send another patch that would work, I don't think it's the right way to do it, give me some minutes to search for another way...
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| 03:40 | <vagrantc> i think this has been broken for nearly 3 years ... how did we not notice this?
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| 03:40 | * alkisg doesn't build ltspfs locally, and even if I did, I wouldn't notice the warnings... | |
| 03:41 | <vagrantc> well, the warnings are new
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| 03:41 | the fact that the filesystem size reporting has been broken... has been for quite some time...
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| 03:42 | it's been building without errors the last 3 years, but has some pretty use-visible issues.
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| 03:42 | user-visible
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| 04:04 | <alkisg> vagrantc: before applying r170, when it showed "the wrong partition size", was that size random?
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| 04:05 | <Guest21818> Which is the best Linux distro to implement ltsp?
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| 04:06 | we have 200 thin-clients and 4 servers
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| 04:08 | <alkisg> ubuntu, debian, opensuse...
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| 04:09 | <Guest21818> version? latest or some old like the official docs points to ubuntu-9.04
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| 04:10 | <alkisg> Give thin client specs, ram, cpu, vga
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| 04:11 | <Guest21818> 800mhz processor and 512 or less ram for some
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| 04:11 | <alkisg> which graphics card specifically? does it use XAA?
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| 04:11 | <Guest21818> let me check
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| 04:12 | <alkisg> vagrantc: can you try this one? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8059717/
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| 04:12 | Not only if it compiles, but also if it shows the correct results too
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| 04:13 | vagrantc: sorry, wait, forgot to save...
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| 04:14 | vagrantc: this one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8059744/
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| 04:15 | <Guest21818> right now not able to boot it. I was trying to make it work with Rocks cluster. Looking over internet for the model it is "HP vc 4725 LNX 512/512R TC INDIA"
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| 04:16 | <vagrantc> alkisg: pretty randomish sizes, yeah. two runs of df would produce different output
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| 04:17 | will try 8059744
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| 04:17 | <alkisg> Thanks
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| 04:18 | -> instead of .
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| 04:18 | <vagrantc> alkisg: that's on ltspfs-trunk, not on top of the old patch, right?
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| 04:18 | <alkisg> On trunk
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| 04:19 | I have 3 errors in ltspfs.c,
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| 04:19 | stbuf->f_type = (__SWORD_TYPE) f_type;
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| 04:19 | I'm using . there instead of -> in 3 lines
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| 04:19 | Either do it manually or wait for an updated diff...
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| 04:20 | vagrantc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8059801/
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| 04:22 | <Guest21818> alkisq: I got exact here. http://www.byteboss.com/view.aspx?id=734730&name=thin+client
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| 04:22 | <alkisg> Guest21818: that doesn't tell me the graphics card
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| 04:23 | <Guest21818> ok let me go more deep
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| 04:26 | alkisq:ok got it what you wanted. http://goo.gl/iKnySq
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| 04:29 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i386 built without errors... trying amd64
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| 04:29 | <alkisg> vagrantc: do also check if it works though
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| 04:29 | Guest21818: try with the latest cd
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| 04:29 | <vagrantc> alkisg: 64-bit too ... installing...
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| 04:31 | <Guest21818> ok Thanks. :)
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| 04:37 | <vagrantc> alkisg: 32-bit client, 64-bit server working well!
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| 04:37 | <alkisg> Cool, I think it should work everywhere then
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| 04:41 | <vagrantc> alkisg: you want to commit that, then?
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| 04:41 | alkisg: or would you like me to?
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| 04:41 | <alkisg> Please do so :)
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| 04:42 | The problem with r153 was that Scotty confused the in/out streams
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| 04:42 | And r170 just tried to revert r153...
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| 04:45 | <vagrantc> but it seems to be working nicely now.
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| 04:45 | * vagrantc would really like to figure out a mount/umount helper thing | |
| 04:46 | <vagrantc> essentially, lbmount can now be used to create /media/USERNAME
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| 04:46 | owned by USER
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| 04:46 | the old code did require there to actually be a successful ltspfs mount before you could usefully use lbmount
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| 04:47 | so that's the one feature lack...
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| 04:47 | but it's hugely simpler code.
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| 04:48 | i've sort of wondered if some of the code in ltspfsmounter wouldn't be better placed in a mount/umount helper anyways.
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| 04:48 | alkisg: thanks so much for that patch, though!
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| 04:48 | now i just gotta figure out what breaks ltspfsd when run from udev when systemd is init
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| 04:48 | <alkisg> You're welcome, sorry for my lack of interest in ltspfs but we're not using it here at all...
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| 04:49 | <vagrantc> even greater thanks, then!
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| 04:49 | do you actually disable localdev?
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| 04:51 | <alkisg> No, but usually students give their USB sticks to the teacher to put them on the server
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| 04:54 | <vagrantc> so conceptually, they could use it, they just don't?
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| 04:54 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 04:54 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 04:55 | <alkisg> (just a note for the logs: I think the best way to solve the 32/64 issue would be to implement an xdr_swordtype(XDR *xdrs, __SWORD_TYPE *sp); function locally, with an #if __WORDSIZE == 32 call xdr_int(), else call xdr_long() in its implementation)
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| 04:57 | Or a plain #define xdr_swordtype instead of a function...
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| 05:03 | * vagrantc tries a build for wheezy-backports and sid-armhf | |
| 05:11 | <vagrantc> backport works fine at least for the client-side.
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| 05:22 | <alkisg> vagrantc: on non-i386 builds, could we run a sed 's/i386/<ARCH>/' -i ltsp-server-dnsmasq.conf at build time?
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| 05:24 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's an arch:all package, so no.
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| 05:24 | <alkisg> Hrm... ah, we can do it from ltsp-config
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| 05:24 | <vagrantc> right
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| 05:25 | ltsp-config could also detect what images/chroots are available, instead of assuming one or the other.
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| 05:25 | er, assuming the host arch.
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| 05:26 | <alkisg> And fall back to the host arch if none exist yet, ok
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| 05:26 | <vagrantc> right.
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| 05:26 | and prefer host arch if multiple exist?
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| 05:26 | <alkisg> Too complicated, I'd go with the first one found
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| 05:27 | ...but yeah you're right it would be preferred
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| 05:27 | * alkisg wants to commit this one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8060144/ | |
| 05:27 | <alkisg> I think vendor:pxe there is wrong
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| 05:28 | And also add an example line for option:router
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| 05:29 | <vagrantc> alkisg: dhcp-vendorclass=pxe,PXEClient
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| 05:29 | alkisg: i think that might set vendor:pxe appropriately.
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| 05:29 | <alkisg> I don't think so
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| 05:29 | I think it sets a tag
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| 05:29 | Not the vendor
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| 05:30 | So it would match tag:pxe, but not vendor:pxe
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| 05:30 | <vagrantc> so maybe it should be tag:pxe ?
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| 05:30 | <alkisg> I think it doesn't accept tags there, so it's a syntax error
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| 05:30 | <vagrantc> er, net:pxe ?
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| 05:30 | ah.
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| 05:31 | <alkisg> net: is the old name for tag:
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| 05:31 | Since wheezy and on, tag: is preferred
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| 05:33 | From the dnsmasq man page: for instance --dhcp-option=vendor:PXEClient,1,0.0.0.0 sends the encapsulated vendor class-specific option "mftp-address=0.0.0.0" to any client whose vendor-class matches "PXE Client".
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| 05:33 | <vagrantc> should update that, then, too
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| 05:34 | <alkisg> in short, set:xxx replaces net:xxx, and tag:xxx replaces xxx
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| 05:37 | <vagrantc> hrm?
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| 05:37 | i guess i'm not attached, as long as it works as far back as wheezy :)
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| 05:37 | <alkisg> dhcp-vendorclass=etherboot,Etherboot
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| 05:37 | becomes
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| 05:37 | dhcp-vendorclass=set:etherboot,Etherboot
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| 05:38 | and
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| 05:38 | dhcp-boot=net:pxe,/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 05:38 | becomes
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| 05:38 | dhcp-boot=tag:pxe,/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 05:38 | <vagrantc> got it
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| 05:38 | a little more explicit, a little more generic terms
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| 05:39 | ok, so my new mount-in-media code doesn't cleanup as well if the mounts failed
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| 05:41 | because it pretty much relies on /proc/mounts for what to even try to remove
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| 05:41 | that's pretty easy to fix, though
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| 05:47 | * alkisg waves | |
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| 06:01 | <vagrantc> well, screen and ltspfsd doesn't really provide any more useful debugging....
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| 09:19 | <Arshpreet> I am using Rocks Cluster. Can I LTSP on Rocks? http://www.rocksclusters.org/wordpress/
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| 09:20 | sorry for the mis-type in above line. Can I implement LTSP with Rocks cluster? Basically Rocks is Centos Based
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| 09:30 | <Arshpreet> Can I install LTSP on Rocks Cluster which is based on Centos.
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| 09:31 | I have Googled it but all inks are non-working and 3-4 years old
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| 09:34 | or I should compile from source? https://launchpad.net/ltsp-cluster/+download
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| 09:47 | <Shoeb> hi
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| 09:49 | can you tel me how to install ltsp on my existing ubuntu 14.04 lts
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| 10:11 | <Guest40408> I want to compile LTSP from source. After downloading source code when I run make it returns "make: Nothing to be done for `build'."
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| 10:42 | <Guest40408> alkisq: I am trying ro install LTSP on Rocks. Please tell me for which code/Package I have to check?
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| 10:43 | rocks cluster http://www.rocksclusters.org/wordpress/
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| 10:43 | <alkisg> Guest40408: first, [tab] autocompletes usernames here in IRC, so that you don't type them wrong
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| 10:44 | Second, it's best if you select some user name so that we remember you in later chats
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| 10:44 | type: /nick your_user_name
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| 10:44 | And third, you should ask the people in your distribution if they support ltsp, not the opposite...
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| 10:44 | I think some people run ltsp on centos
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| 10:45 | <Guest40408> ok I am sorry, i am using IRC almost first time
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| 10:45 | <alkisg> I don't know if they have packages for that
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| 10:45 | <Guest40408> so I have to compile from source?
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| 10:45 | <alkisg> No idea, I don't know that distribution
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| 10:45 | You should ask them...
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| 10:46 | <Guest40408> ok. who are they?
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> I don't know, you mentioned them, not me
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| 10:46 | http://www.rocksclusters.org/wordpress/
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| 10:46 | <Guest40408> They are not using ltsp
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> Are they *providing* ltsp?
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| 10:47 | Distros do not "use" packages, they provide packages in repositories
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| 10:47 | <Guest40408> I am going to some development :)
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| 10:47 | no, they don't provide
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> Are they using abiword?
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| 10:47 | Are they providing abiword?
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| 10:47 | The answers there may be "no" and "yes"
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| 10:47 | <Guest40408> let me check
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> Same with ltsp
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| 10:48 | Is distro X using LTSP? No
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| 10:48 | Is distro X providing LTSP? Yes
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| 10:48 | You should ask that distro if they provide ltsp in their repositories...
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| 10:48 | <Guest40408> But i can compile ltsp from source on any distro. NO?
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| 10:50 | <alkisg> No
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| 10:50 | It requires integration with that distribution
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| 10:50 | Services, hooks etc
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| 10:50 | So, you can compile it but you'd also need to integrate it before it works
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| 10:51 | People have ran ltsp on centos so that's a good sign
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| 10:51 | <Guest40408> ok then how should I use this? http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Packaging
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| 10:51 | <alkisg> Did you check the distro repositories first?
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| 10:51 | <Guest40408> no i did not
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| 10:51 | <alkisg> Right, that's what I suggested to do first
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| 10:52 | If it's packaged, why would you want to re-package it?
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| 10:52 | <Guest40408> ok I think i have to add some centos repositories on Rocks?
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| 10:53 | <alkisg> No idea, you should ask that to your distribution support channels
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| 10:53 | <Guest40408> ok.
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| 10:54 | <alkisg> This mentions some things, but again, no idea from me, I'm using apt, not yum: http://www.rocksclusters.org/roll-documentation/base/5.5/update.html
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| 14:44 | <dgroos> Seeking opinion: Are there any significant benefits to using 14.04 over 12.04 with ltsp-pnp fat client?
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> dgroos: here I adviced schools to stick with 12.04 because there are drawbacks in 14.04, and no visible benefits...
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| 15:11 | Use google translate on that: http://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?topic=5857.msg66678#msg66678
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| 15:11 | <dgroos> alkisg: ahh, well that’s cool because it saves me time :)
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> With the linux-image-generic-lts-trusty kernel, the newer hardware is supported, and xorg dropped XAA-based cards, and gnome broke keyboard layout switching in SDL, and gnome-flashback has multiple issues in 14.04...
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| 15:16 | <dgroos> This is what I had hoped to hear. Will there be possible issues with any programs that do work on 12.04 if I update to the new kernal?
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| 15:18 | oh! brb
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| 15:31 | <alkisg> I don't think (regular) programs depend on the kernel version
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| 15:31 | But don't update to the newer xorg without considering it first
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| 15:38 | <dgroos> alkisg: would one have to update xorg explicitly or might it happen as part of a kernal update, accidental-like.
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| 15:39 | Also, mind if I copy/paste this dialog to answer the question I posted to edubuntu-users email list about 5 seconds (literally) before you came on line, here?
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| 15:48 | <alkisg> dgroos: to get the hwe kernel/xorg, you'd give: sudo apt-get install --purge linux-generic-lts-trusty xserver-xorg-lts-trusty
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| 15:48 | Without the xserver-xorg-lts-trusty part, you'd only update the kernel
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| 15:49 | So if you don't have any issues at all, just do nothing. If you have very new clients and experience issues, install the trusty kernel. If the issues persist, try with the newer xorg too.
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| 15:49 | Sure, feel free to copy/paste the dialog
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| 15:50 | <dgroos> like… sudo apt-get install --purge linux-generic-lts-trusty
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| 15:50 | OK sounds like good strategy
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| 15:50 | will wait.
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