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01:54 | <Pascal_1> Bonjour!
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02:07 | <klausade> Pascal_1: morgen :-)
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02:17 | <coolio> we have a very strange problem, installed hardy, 20 x hpt5000 terminals, only 3 terminals find dhcp and the rest just cant find any
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02:20 | ogra any tips
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04:07 | <Q-FUNK> ace_suares: looks good
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04:08 | ace_suares: a simpler way is simply to do "sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/"
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04:53 | <masus> hi all
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06:25 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: could you chekc if your DBE60 still even boots on Hardy? here, I get a kernel oops during image loading.
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07:04 | <ace_suares> hello good mornig
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07:04 | Q-FUNK: ty
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07:05 | Q-FUNK: link to it from your pages :-)
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07:14 | <vpro> hello
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07:14 | <Q-FUNK> terve
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07:14 | <vpro> oho
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07:15 | <Q-FUNK> :)
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07:16 | <vpro> I have a problem. I just installed ltsp from packages with Hardy and it is a bit different from the previous version
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07:16 | <Q-FUNK> a bit. not that much.
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07:17 | <vpro> is there any documentation for this new version?
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07:17 | <Q-FUNK> nothing has been updated, AFAIK
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07:17 | but ask anyway
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07:17 | <vpro> how can I create a user for the thin client
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07:17 | for debugging purposes
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07:18 | <Q-FUNK> you'd need to do that in the chroot, then re-generate the image
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07:18 | what do you need to debug, more specifically?
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07:18 | <vpro> that is a long story :)
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07:19 | <vpro> but I have separated the desktop session to a separate machine
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07:19 | and have the ltsp access part on another
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07:19 | <Q-FUNK> ok, so one machine provides the LTSP boot image and another one serves the desktops?
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07:20 | <vpro> yes
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07:20 | <Q-FUNK> that should work, as long as it's properly configured on your DHCP server.
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07:20 | it's not an ideal solution, mind you
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07:21 | <vpro> in previous version I just changed the server attribute from lts.conf and imported application servers public keys to the access server
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07:21 | <Q-FUNK> you'd also need to modify the lts.conf to point to a different server. not an easy task.
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07:22 | that should still work, AFAIK
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07:22 | <vpro> ok
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07:22 | there is some problems so I need to check what is going on
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07:23 | <Q-FUNK> you can just temporarily enable the root password, for that
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07:23 | <vpro> but the creation of a new user to the nfs-root did not work as it used to
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07:23 | as it is somewhat different now
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07:23 | <Q-FUNK> we don't use NFS anymore
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07:23 | <vpro> ok
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07:23 | lets say client root?
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07:23 | <Q-FUNK> we use network blocks
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07:24 | <vpro> I noticed
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07:25 | <vpro> where does the user information come from?
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07:25 | apparently not from /opt/ltsp/i386
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07:27 | <Q-FUNK> inside the boot image, yes
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07:29 | <Blinny> Gadi: ping
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07:30 | Oh. There is no Gadi there is only Zeul.
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07:32 | <rjune> Gadi usually comes on sometime around 0900 ET
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07:32 | it's around 0830 currently
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07:33 | <vpro> Q-FUNK: when you say regenerate image do you mean that ltsp-update-image?
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07:34 | <Q-FUNK> yes
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07:34 | <vpro> good
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07:34 | I will give it a go
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07:34 | <Q-FUNK> after you made your changes and exit the chroot
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07:35 | <Blinny> rjune: Thanks.
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08:11 | <masus> hi all, one question is it possible to create an default desktop for all ltsp users.
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08:11 | the preferences panels and so on.
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08:11 | i use ltsp with xfce
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08:17 | <Blinny> masus: Sure - the edubuntu handbook has a good writeup about this, by using Sabayon and Pesselus (sp?)
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08:17 | masus: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/ch03s07.html
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08:23 | <masus> Blinny: Thank U :) i use debian etch do u have a link for that
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08:28 | <Blinny> masus: The idea is the same. The link basically says 'use sabayon and pesselus'
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08:30 | <masus> ok i have starting reading
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08:38 | Blinny: Thank u very much have found what im looking for ...
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08:40 | <Blinny> Great.
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09:05 | <barbosa> Lns, Hi with PXE boot and 2.6.20.9-ltsp-1 kernel the system freeze
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09:26 | <masus> by default which login manager is come with ltsp ? LDM or GDM
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09:28 | <Blinny> masus: LDM for LTSP5
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09:30 | <masus> Blinny : is it possible to change? to GDM
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09:34 | <masus> dummy question yes :)
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09:37 | i dont understand why the ldm package by me is not installed by default.
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09:42 | have problems with Auto login features have added these lines to lts.conf "[00:30:05:06:CC:D5] \ LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true \ LDM_USERNAME=xxx \ LDM_PASSWORD=xxx" where xxx is the real user and pass, and have installed the package ldm.
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09:42 | but nothing changed may i do something wrong ?
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09:58 | <vpro> masus: I have used gdm with ltsp
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09:59 | <masus> vpro: im newbie can u explain howto ?
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09:59 | if not no problem
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09:59 | <ogra> masus, yu ill lose all additional features, but can enable it by SCREEN_07=xdmcp
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09:59 | (and setting up GDM right for XDMCP as well)
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09:59 | <vpro> I meant to say I used to :)
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10:00 | with SCREEN_07=startx
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10:00 | <masus> ok thanks i'll try
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10:00 | <ogra> thats deprecated with the latest releases
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10:00 | its called xdmcp now
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10:01 | <masus> and whats with the auto-login any ideas ?
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10:01 | <ogra> but in your case i'D be more concerned why you have a broken setup at all, did the ltsp-build-client not finish properly ?
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10:01 | ldm *must* be there in any case
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10:01 | else something went fundamentally wrong
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10:04 | <masus> i use ltsp since 2 days without any errors
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10:04 | but i want to add auto login so i have googled a little
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10:04 | and see the that i need ldm for that
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10:04 | and hav look with aptitude and see thats not installed
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10:04 | so i have install it for 30 min ago
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10:06 | <ogra> note that ldm should never ever be installed on the server, it needs to be in the client environment (under /opt/ltsp/)
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10:06 | <masus> oh
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10:06 | so it was installed
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10:07 | <ogra> and f you use etch without the backports i dont think ldm knew about autologin back then, etch is pretty old
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10:08 | <masus> hmmm u think thats the problem
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10:08 | <vpro> masus: autologin is quite easy with gdm
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10:08 | <masus> nothing is easy for me
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10:08 | :)
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10:08 | <ogra> vpro, but no local devcies, no secuity and no sound setup or any of the other ltsp features will work
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10:09 | they are all tied to ldm in ltsp5
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10:09 | <vpro> masus: that is true
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10:09 | <vpro> I meant that you loose a lot of features
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10:10 | but you can always make them yourself
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10:10 | :)
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10:10 | <ogra> sure, but ten dont ask for support :P
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10:10 | *then
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10:11 | <jammcq> well, you can always ASK for support. we just won't be able to help as well
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10:12 | <masus> nooooooo i dont want use gdm
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10:12 | :)
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10:12 | all what i want is auto login
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10:12 | <vpro> does it work with ldm?
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10:12 | <masus> by me not
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10:13 | <ogra> it does with a recent release
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10:13 | <vpro> good
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10:13 | <ogra> etch is 1.5 years old
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10:13 | <jammcq> that's young, in debian years
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10:13 | <ogra> either use the backports, use a newer debian or use ubuntu
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10:13 | <vpro> is there a howto?
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10:14 | <ogra> !ubuntu
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10:14 | <ltspbot> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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10:14 | <ogra> !debian
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10:14 | <ltspbot> ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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10:14 | <ogra> the two latter links
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10:18 | <barbosa> jammcq, hi
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10:19 | <jammcq> hey
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10:19 | <barbosa> is possible you try help me with rtl8101E ?
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10:20 | <jammcq> hmm, probably not. I've been out of ltsp development for a very long time
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10:20 | <barbosa> jammcq, ok
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10:20 | <ogra> that was fxed only very recently (2.6.25 i think)
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10:21 | you will need some very new ltsp version for that, i dont think there exists any yet using this kernel
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10:22 | (because i havent managed to pull in the ltsp merges into ntrepid yet, else you could at least try the ubuntu dev release)
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10:22 | *intrepid
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10:22 | <cliebow_> brb
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10:24 | <ogra> ah, no, i just see it was backported to ubuntu hardy, so it should work there with rtl8101E whith no oopses or other problems now
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10:24 | you just need the updated kernel from hardy-proposed
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10:24 | barbosa, ^^^^
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10:25 | (if you dont use ubuntu, ask your distro maintainer to include the fix)
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10:25 | <barbosa> ogra, I use openSUSE.
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10:26 | ogra, in ubuntu this nic work ?
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10:26 | <ogra> yes
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10:27 | in hardy (8.04) with -updates and -proposed or in intrepid (8.10)
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10:27 | <barbosa> ogra, what version the best ubuntu ?
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10:28 | <ogra> hardy
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10:28 | <barbosa> ogra, ok thanxxx
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10:29 | <ogra> see the help.ubuntu.com page above for nstall instructions
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10:29 | <barbosa> ogra, ok.
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10:29 | ogra, I try download now
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10:31 | ogra, Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) this version ?
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10:31 | <ogra> right
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10:31 | you need the alternate CD if you want to install ltsp from the CD
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10:44 | <supreme> help, urgent
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10:44 | pxe32 tftp timeout
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10:44 | im in a cafe, and this is happenning at this moment
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10:45 | im the admin
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10:45 | <laga> fix it then?
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10:46 | is your tftp server running?
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10:46 | <cliebow> jammcq:doed 19? when x starts?s your Sony hard lock using 2.6.24-10 an
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10:46 | Balla
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10:46 | <ace_suares> hi
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10:47 | jammcq ! nice to see ya :-)
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10:47 | <cliebow> jammcq:does when x starts your Sony hard lock using 2.6.24-18 and 19?
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10:47 | <jammcq> cliebow: heh, was that a queson?
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10:47 | <ace_suares> so what filesystem is ltsp using now.. not nfs but..netblock ?
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10:47 | <jammcq> cliebow: I'm not running Linux on my sony any more
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10:47 | <cliebow> this thing is doing yinoda aga
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10:47 | <jammcq> my sony has become my iTunes machine running some other crappy os
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10:47 | <cliebow> yoda again
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10:47 | <jammcq> hey ace_suares
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10:47 | <ace_suares> does that suport symlinks ? where do ineed to look for the info ?
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10:48 | sorry abotu my stupid questions.
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10:48 | <ace_suares> how you doing jammcq :-)
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10:48 | <cliebow> this thing i will use for a mooring at this rate
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10:48 | <jammcq> ace_suares: it's using squashfs over nbd. Dunno if it supports symlinks
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10:48 | <cliebow> jammcq:if you had to buy a lappie what would you look at?
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10:49 | <jammcq> I prefer the Dells
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10:49 | <cliebow> i have thre older dells still plugin way
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10:50 | gotta go for the boat..later..
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10:54 | <masus> ogra: is it possible to build the client tree from ubuntu hardy to debian etch ?
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11:42 | <devilbues> exit
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12:33 | <bartoloco> hello
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12:33 | good morning
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12:34 | is there any way to connect a tk-735 terminal box as a thin client
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12:35 | please give me some help
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12:39 | <warren> ogra: ping
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12:41 | <johnny> i don't even know what that is..
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12:41 | never heard anybody mention it
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12:41 | <bartoloco> the brand is termtek
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12:42 | <Gadi> bartoloco: perhaps you can ask a question related to a problem you are having with it?
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12:52 | <bartoloco> thank you for yoy answers
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13:18 | <jammcq> termtek support reps? hehehehehehehe
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13:28 | <alkisg> ogra, about ipconfig: klibc 1.5.11 is out, and has one of my patches that I think was the basic problem: the ltsp-server answered first with DHCP_OFFER, ipconfig then send DHCP_REQUEST, but finally ipconfig mistook the just-arriving router offer as DHCPACK (and so fell to busybox). I think that should cover many of the problematic cases without changing anything in ltsp_nbd. I'm still waiting for some other patches to be approved though...
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13:33 | <vagrantc> gah! ubuntu hasn't synced initramfs-tools with debian since before etch was released ...
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13:33 | there's some functionality in there that i'd really like to add to ltsp_nbd
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13:36 | <alkisg> vagrantc, I think it's time! :P
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13:37 | I was tired of unplugging the router every time I wanted to boot a client... :)
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14:25 | <warren> vagrantc: hey, do you know where is the source for the thing debian uses to figure out a keyboard layout?
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14:26 | <vagrantc> warren: no idea
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14:34 | <Gadi> I know I know!
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14:34 | lemme just look it up
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14:35 | try: /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst
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14:35 | if thats what you mean
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14:36 | <Q-FUNK> hm
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14:46 | <warren> Gadi: I don't have debian, so I'm wondering what package of source I need to download?
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14:49 | <vagrantc> warren: hmmm... i would be happy to try and help you, but i guess i'd need a more specific question
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14:49 | warren: "figure out a keyboard layout" ?
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14:49 | <warren> vagrantc: I want to see the algorithm used by the "figure out the keyboard layout" thing that debian has
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14:49 | <vagrantc> warren: what's the context?
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14:49 | <warren> well, I heard debian has it
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14:49 | I've never seen it
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14:50 | <vagrantc> i don't know what you mean by "figure out" i guess.
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14:50 | <warren> vagrantc: rather than manually pick keyboard layout options from a big and confusing menu, it tells you to type things until it figures out your layout. Apple has something similar.
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14:50 | <vagrantc> warren: ah!
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14:50 | <Q-FUNK> dexconf
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14:51 | <warren> dexconf does only keyboard setup?
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14:51 | <vagrantc> dexconf builds xorg.conf
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14:53 | <warren> oh
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15:08 | <stgraber> warren: http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/hardy/cdebconf-keystep maybe that's what you are looking for
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15:12 | <warren> stgraber: sounds like it
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15:12 | thx
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16:13 | <Nuba1> hmmm... anyone know what a loki package is?
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16:17 | <Gadi> wasnt loki the game company that open sourced their installer?
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16:17 | it may be an installer
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16:17 | or a package for the loki installer
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16:19 | <Nuba1> trying to install crossover demo for someone and it complains
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16:19 | This CrossOver Linux Standard Debian package cannot be installed on top of a Loki package.
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16:19 | <Gadi> ah - I think crossover used the loki installer
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16:20 | so, you can get it either in loki installer form or straight deb
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16:21 | <Nuba1> ok, what I'm installing is a .deb, not sure what it means with installing on top of loki package
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16:21 | or... maybe because there is a previous installation in /opt/cxoffice
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16:21 | <Gadi> it means you need to blow away (or uninstall) all the existing crossover files
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16:21 | <Nuba1> and that was a script...
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16:22 | <Nuba1> k... delete that and it should go I guess
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16:22 | <Gadi> yup
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16:22 | <Nuba1> was hoping I could just put it on top, not to have to reinstall all the windows apps
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16:22 | <Gadi> the windows apps should live in ~/.cxoffice
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16:22 | iirc
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16:22 | so, you should be good to go
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16:23 | <Nuba1> in managed version they are under /opt
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16:24 | <Gadi> ah
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16:34 | <Nuba1> what does iirc mean?
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16:35 | <johnny> if i recall correctly
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16:35 | you could use a search engine to find that tho :)
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16:36 | <Nuba1> just wondering people use it on here... I'm just wondering what it means
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16:37 | <|Ryan52> or install the debian package 'wtf'. probably in other distros too.
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16:38 | oh. bsdgames. same difference.
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16:38 | <Nuba1> if it really counts... ok
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16:38 | another mystery resolved :-)
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16:39 | or If I recall correctly
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16:39 | I think he meant the latter
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16:40 | doh... now I'm reading the conversation again and see johnny said that like 20 minutes ago
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20:42 | <barbosa> ogra, hi
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