IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 6 June 2014 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <Ryan52> and... we have plugins in C now... like, woah.
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| 00:01 | <vagrantc> NX does crazy stuff like shared private keys that always made me a *bit* suspicious
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| 00:02 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: what about XDMCP?
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| 00:02 | I thought that in itself had security issues.
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| 00:03 | <vagrantc> it's effectively about as secure as telent
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| 00:03 | er, telnet
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| 00:03 | <Ryan52> yeah.. so if they're already planning XDMCP, NX can't be that much worse, right? :)
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| 00:03 | <vagrantc> they're planning a new XDMCP implementation?
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| 00:04 | <Ryan52> that's what they've been saying they're going to use.
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| 00:04 | <vagrantc> do major display managers even support XDMCP?
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| 00:04 | gdm had threatened to deprecate it ages ago...
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| 00:05 | <Ryan52> yeah, maybe I misheard. I mean, at first I was like WTF, but then I kept hearing it, so I accepted it as truth. But let me go ask. :)
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| 00:07 | <vagrantc> XDMCP has some silly things, too, like consuming server resources while clients are idle waiting to log in.
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| 00:08 | since the login manager is actually running on the server.
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| 00:09 | you shouldn't notice a difference in performance with LDM_DIRECTX vs. XDMCP, except for better integration
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| 00:10 | <Ryan52> ok cool, thanks for the info!
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| 00:11 | <vagrantc> of course, then you're using LTSP instead of your adventures in homebrew systems...
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| 00:11 | which might be less educational
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| 00:24 | <Ryan52> ehh that's not quite it.
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| 00:25 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: what's this xcompmgr?
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| 00:25 | i saw greppin the source and it makes no sense to me.
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| 00:26 | vagrantc: but yeah, I'd suggest LTSP if they didn't already have a solution in place - not sure where it came from honestly.
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| 00:28 | vagrantc: so I looked back at my IRC logs
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| 00:28 | I asked what we would use and they said:
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| 00:28 | XDMCP
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| 00:28 | seems to work pretty good
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| 00:28 | vagrantc: this is how big decisions are made :)
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| 00:29 | vagrantc: I would really like to gain a better understanding of XDMCP so I can properly tell them what is wrong with their idea.
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| 00:31 | vagrantc: is there a "roadmap" for where LTSP is going in the big picture?
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| 00:47 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: it's just basically a cleartext (or nearly so) communications issue...
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| 00:47 | Ryan52: so passwords, usernames, entire sessions are viewable by anyone capable of listening on the network
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| 00:56 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: yeah that's kinda what I thought.
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| 00:57 | <vagrantc> keylogging!
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| 00:57 | and the fun part, injection...
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| 00:57 | though that's a little harder
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| 02:09 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: yeah.. unfortunately, when I heard about the project, it was already "done" supposedly.
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| 03:20 | <Ryan52> s it turns out, XDMCP is fine when you have full control of the hardware and networking, because if that is compromised there are bigger problems.
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| 03:20 | *As
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| 03:31 | so how's driving the next generation of LTSP?
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| 03:31 | *who
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| 03:32 | I'm curious how this pam ssh thing will work.. like how will GDM etc get the information it needs?
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| 03:35 | <work_alkisg> Ryan52: libpam_sshauth means that one will be able to login locally with any means. E.g. he will be able to press alt+ctrl+f1 and login there with any username/password that is valid on the server
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| 03:35 | PAM will validate his account by ssh'ing to the server
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| 03:36 | It will add that user locally etc. And the LTSP hooks will use sshfs to mount his home directory etc.
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| 03:38 | <Ryan52> work_alkisg: and that works?
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| 03:38 | <work_alkisg> Yup
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| 03:38 | <Ryan52> I assumed GDM needed to know *some* things from the remote host.
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| 03:38 | <work_alkisg> The hard part is cleaning up the code, to remove all LDM* occurences from ltsp scripts etc
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| 03:39 | <Ryan52> So I guess that's what's left is minor integration details?
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| 03:39 | <work_alkisg> Nah, it doesn't need to know anything about the underlying authentication library
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| 03:39 | LDM_AUTOLOGIN=xxx
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| 03:39 | ...that then needs to be DM specific
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| 03:39 | /etc/lightdm/user.conf, or /etc/gdm/*...
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| 03:39 | XRANDR_MODE_0 => we need hooks for such things too
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| 03:40 | <Ryan52> Ah, okay, gotcha.
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| 03:41 | Yeah, took me a minute to fully wrap my head around that, I just figured it would have hit the filesystem sooner for something.
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| 03:42 | work_alkisg: is there a running list of these issues anywhere?
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| 03:44 | <work_alkisg> Not really... I've started writing a few things at http://sync.in/ltsp, but we haven't started coding ltsp 6 yet
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| 03:44 | Unfortunately the only developers spending a few hours now and then on ltsp are only vagrantc and me now
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| 03:45 | We also have a few more ideas that we want to include in ltsp6, e.g. http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:Ltspd
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| 03:45 | <Ryan52> work_alkisg: so this is actually ltsp6? cool!
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| 03:45 | <work_alkisg> So, a couple of months are needed for ltsp6 to take shape, but it appears that noone has the time or resources for that
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| 03:46 | Yeah ltsp 6 mostly means pam logins, so no LDM, and ltspd instead of lts.conf/ldm-server
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| 03:47 | I wonder if people would be willing to sponsor that
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| 03:47 | <Ryan52> yeah, crowdsource that!
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| 03:47 | err.. crowdfund
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| 03:47 | err. crowd whatever the word is. I'm bad at this.
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| 03:48 | More seriously tho.. I'm honestly trying to think of some creative ways I could get some work done.
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| 03:48 | I might be able to find some resources for some smaller projects.
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| 03:48 | And I might be able to think of a way to get some hours to spend on it if I'm really creative.
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| 03:48 | * Ryan52 is personally interested in this. | |
| 03:50 | <Ryan52> work_alkisg: and if you find a way to get money to back it, I can definitely allocate hours based on that, but I'm sure there are others more deserving of that vanity than I :)
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| 03:50 | everybody wants to get paid to open source.. that's like "the dream" in this world.
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| 03:51 | work_alkisg: I'm going to ponder if I can integrate this into any of my research interests, oddly enough.. cause I have some research time that needs new projects.
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| 03:52 | Otherwise, depending on how my class schedule pans out, I might be able to see if I can be vagrantc's intern for a term to satisfy degree requirements. not sure on that.
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| 03:53 | (vagrantc on paper, only because I know him in person)
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| 03:53 | <work_alkisg> Sure, that'd be nice
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| 03:53 | I also asked devs here to put ltsp 6 as a google summer of code project
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| 03:54 | jammcq didn't like the idea so we abandoned it
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| 03:55 | Sometimes I'm thinking that ltsp has too much legacy and something new is needed
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| 04:02 | <Ryan52> work_alkisg: I was just wondering that ;)
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| 04:02 | rebuild from the ground up
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| 04:03 | <work_alkisg> We don't even have a channel operator here anymore
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| 04:03 | We can't change the channel topic... :)
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| 04:03 | <Ryan52> why?
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| 04:03 | who was it?
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| 04:03 | <work_alkisg> Because all of the initial devs aren't here
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| 04:03 | <Ryan52> we could arrange for a takeover I'm sure.
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| 04:03 | work_alkisg: who are the initial devs?
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| 04:06 | <work_alkisg> Ryan52: /msg chanserv access #ltsp list
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| 04:06 | sbalneav: can you add me or vagrantc as an operator in #ltsp?
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| 04:08 | <sbalneav> I could, if I was an op :D
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| 04:08 | I was never an op :D
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| 04:11 | <work_alkisg> sbalneav: (07:05:57 πμ) ChanServ: (notice) 4 sbalneav +ARiortv [modified ? ago]
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| 04:11 | Doesn't that mean you're an op?
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| 04:11 | <sbalneav> am i?
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| 04:11 | I didn't think I was!
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| 04:11 | <work_alkisg> Yes, type this: /msg chanserv access #ltsp list
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| 04:11 | You'll see the operators list
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| 04:12 | You're the only one left here... :)
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| 04:12 | <sbalneav> huh!
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| 04:12 | So... how do I op?!
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| 04:12 | <work_alkisg> Not sure, try: /op
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| 04:12 | Maybe you need to authenticate as well
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| 04:12 | <sbalneav> says I'm not an op XD
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| 04:13 | I should be authed, or with the chanserv?
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| 04:15 | ChanServ sets mode: +o sbalneav | |
| 04:15 | <sbalneav> WHOOOOT
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| 04:15 | sbalneav sets mode: +o work_alkisg | |
| 04:15 | <work_alkisg> Thanks, I'm in some exams so I'll look into how to make that permanent in a few hours...
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| 04:16 | I'll make the bot an operator too, so that we can give it commands to perform here
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| 04:16 | <sbalneav> Cool!
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| 04:16 | Glad I could help.
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| 04:17 | <work_alkisg> sbalneav: moment!
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| 04:17 | <sbalneav> Yup!
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| 04:17 | <work_alkisg> Hm... I don't want work_alkisg, I want alkisg.... let me see...
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| 04:18 | <work_alkisg> sbalneav: can you /op alkisg ?
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| 04:18 | (brb)
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| 04:20 | sbalneav sets mode: +o alkisg | |
| 04:20 | <sbalneav> DNE
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| 04:20 | DONE
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| 04:23 | <work_alkisg> sbalneav: nah, I can't
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| 04:23 | Do this: /msg chanserv access #ltsp add alkisg
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| 04:23 | Being a temporary operator doesn't allow me to do that
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| 04:24 | <sbalneav> ChanServ (ChanServ@services.): You are not authorized to execute this command.
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| 04:24 | Doesn't want me to do it either.
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| 04:24 | <work_alkisg> We probably need jammcq to do that then
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| 04:25 | <sbalneav> I'll bug him tomorrow.
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| 04:25 | <work_alkisg> [07:24] -ChanServ- 2 jammcq +AFRfiorstv [modified ? ago]
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| 04:25 | [07:24] -ChanServ- 4 sbalneav +ARiortv [modified ? ago]
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| 04:25 | He has more letters than you :P
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| 04:26 | <sbalneav> Well, he's a bigger guy :D
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| 04:27 | <work_alkisg> http://www.magicstar.net/services/chanserv.html#levels
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| 04:27 | Haha
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| 04:38 | <work_alkisg> /msg chanserv help flags
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| 04:39 | <work_alkisg> +F - Grants full founder access, +f - Enables modification of channel access lists, +s - Enables use of the set command.
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| 04:54 | <work_alkisg> sbalneav: I think this is the command we want jammcq to execute: /msg ChanServ FLAGS #ltsp alkisg +*
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| 04:54 | And, the same one for you too: /msg ChanServ FLAGS #ltsp sbalneav +*
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| 04:59 | ChanServ sets mode: +o Lumiere | |
| 05:00 | <Lumiere> hi
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| 05:02 | work_alkisg, sbalneav: looks like I don't have access either
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| 05:02 | I'm around most us 2nd shift's just ping me if you need anything :)
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| 14:09 | <bennabiy> Wow, channel ops!
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| 14:13 | Does this mean the defunct channel topic is going to be changed?
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