IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 10 July 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:07 | <Lns> I have an interesting problem on Debian testing - if I play video (.avi, .mpg, etc.) from any (remote) app like Totem or VLC, there is no sound, and players besides VLC will lock up. VLC would still play video, however. BUT, I recently discovered that if, right after I boot the terminal (amd64 arch), launch Iceweasel, go to Youtube, play THEN PAUSE a video, THEN go to a locally hosted movie with Totem/VLC/etc, the movie will play with sound and no
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| 01:07 | t lock up. I thought that might be an interesting clue to what's up with my tc sound issues. I've rebuilt the chroot, tried various lts.conf settings related to sound/sound servers/etc (to pinpoint the prob).. I'm guessing it has something to do with Flash using ALSA/locking the sound device, but I'm not sure what it might mean to pulseaudio.
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| 07:49 | <Hyperbyte> What's the best way to find out the version of LTSP currently installed on a system, which works with all distros supported by LTSP?
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| 07:50 | <Bootless> Hyperbyte: ltsp-info
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| 07:53 | <Hyperbyte> Bootless, that's available in all distros?
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| 07:53 | Not just Ubuntu?
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| 07:53 | <Bootless> Hyperbyte: i am not absolute sure about this, sorry
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| 08:25 | <VectorX> clear
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| 08:26 | having a tough time getting info on this, is ltsp not supported in fedora 17 ?
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| 08:27 | <Hyperbyte> !fedora
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| 08:27 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: fedora: LTSP for Fedora is maintained by the K12Linux project. Currently support only goes as far as Fedora 12. An LTSP version for RedHat EL6 and possibly Fedora 14 is in development. https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/
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| 08:27 | <Hyperbyte> Although I believe that development has finished by now.
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| 08:28 | <VectorX> Hyperbyte yeah i spent a lot of time in that site but info seems outdated
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| 08:28 | and doing yum install ltsp, then trying to build says fedora 17 is not supported
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| 08:28 | <Hyperbyte> https://lwn.net/Articles/465796/
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| 08:29 | Reading there shows that Fedora 15+ doesn't support remote X properly
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| 08:29 | (the desktop)
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| 08:29 | <Hyperbyte> Only Fedora 17's Gnome supports remote X again, so with Fedora 17 LTSP -might- work... but I don't think Warren has done it
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| 08:30 | Can I give you some advice, as a long-term Fedora user & fan?
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| 08:30 | <VectorX> well thats what i have
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| 08:30 | sure
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| 08:30 | give it to me
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| 08:30 | <Hyperbyte> Use Ubuntu for LTSP. It has much better support, newer LTSP version, and the Ubuntu release cycles are much more LTSP-friendly.
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| 08:31 | If you install Ubuntu 12.04, it will be supported for the next five years I think?
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| 08:31 | With Fedora's EOL cycle you'll have to upgrade every year or two.
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| 08:31 | That's just not useful in an LTSP environment.
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| 08:31 | <VectorX> Hyperbyte well the only reason i am using fedora is since ubuntu discontinued support for multiseat, which i think has something to do with gnome, and fedora supports it quite well now with systemd
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| 08:32 | <VectorX> but then once i got to the point of trying to get ltsp setup i hit a wall
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| 08:33 | <ogra_> i dont think anyone ever ported the ltsp init scripts to systemd
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| 08:33 | <Hyperbyte> VectorX, I'm not sure if Ubuntu 12.04 doesn't support multiseat? Might be easier to be hack multiseat into Ubuntu 12.04 than it is to hack LTSP into Fedora 17
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| 08:35 | <VectorX> it doesnt support it, but yeah as you said it would be a hack to get it working, probably not worth it with the effort, well i mainly wanted to confirm the lack of ltsp support in fedora, perhaps i can use another machine and login to the fedora box using that then
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| 08:39 | <Hyperbyte> Or you use Fedora 14.
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| 08:39 | Or CentOS or RHEL
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| 08:39 | <VectorX> well im using it maily for the multiseat purpose aswell, so got 4 people on 1 comp, but its a dev setup so would be nice to have other be able to remote in
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| 08:40 | <Hyperbyte> What's holding you back from using CentOS or RHEL? Those support LTSP, and also multiseat I think.
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| 08:40 | And their release cycle is comparable to Ubuntu LTS, so not as much work upgrading...
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| 08:40 | <VectorX> i can try it out, what do you recomend
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| 08:43 | <Hyperbyte> I think I just did a whole bunch of recommendations. :P What more do you want? ;-)
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| 08:43 | !fedora
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| 08:43 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: fedora: LTSP for Fedora is maintained by the K12Linux project. Currently support only goes as far as Fedora 12. An LTSP version for RedHat EL6 and possibly Fedora 14 is in development. https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/
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| 08:43 | <Hyperbyte> !forget fedora
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| 08:43 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
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| 08:43 | <VectorX> between centos and redhat
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| 08:44 | <Hyperbyte> !learn Fedora as LTSP for Fedora is maintained by the K12Linux project. Currently support only goes as far as Fedora 14. See https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/ Fedora 15+ are NOT supported.
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| 08:44 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
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| 08:44 | <Hyperbyte> VectorX, Google is your friend. Type 'rhel vs centos' in Google.
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| 08:45 | There's lots of discussion on the topic.
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| 08:54 | <VectorX> i was getting used to systemd aswell
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| 08:57 | <VectorX> well its impossible to get any info from the respected channels
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| 08:58 | almost feel like i have to pay to ask a question in the redhat chan
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| 08:59 | <Hyperbyte> VectorX, you know RedHat Enterprise Linux is a paid distro, right?
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| 08:59 | <VectorX> yeah
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| 08:59 | hence the comment
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| 08:59 | get it pay to even ask a question
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| 09:00 | centos seems pretty think headed too
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| 09:00 | thick
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| 09:15 | <Hyperbyte> Heh. :)
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| 09:16 | <VectorX> aparently no one knows if ltsp or multiseat is supported
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| 09:16 | andswers are in riddle form
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| 09:22 | wonder how openSUSE would do
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| 09:28 | <Hyperbyte> VectorX, why is multiseat no longer included in Ubuntu 12.04?
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| 09:29 | <VectorX> i think they didnt want to support it after moving more towards the cloud
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| 09:30 | <Hyperbyte> No, I mean, technically, why?
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| 09:30 | What's changed that makes it impossible for you to get multiseat working?
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| 09:30 | <VectorX> i think it was something to do with gnome removed X11
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| 09:32 | originally you could assing each head of a vga card to a seat, ie a vga with 2 or more outputs ends up as a individual seat, but with systemd a seat takes up an entire device, so the card is wasted in a way
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| 09:33 | which is the only drawback with fedora atm
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| 09:33 | beside no support for ltsp ofcourse
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| 09:35 | well downloading centos 6.3 live dvd, so gonna give that a try
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| 09:41 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 09:41 | I wish you luck.
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| 09:42 | * Hyperbyte goes back to coding for the new LTSP website | |
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| 09:51 | <VectorX> whats the url ?
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| 10:18 | <Hyperbyte> It's a secret! :)
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| 15:55 | <yopla> hello, on ltsp client I've got console on Screen_02. I'd like to know if there is a way to restart X to test some parameters without reboot.
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| 16:00 | <||cw> yopla: I've manually killed all the X processes before, not sure if there's a cleaner way
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| 16:01 | <yopla> associated ltsp scripts restart automagically?
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| 16:03 | <||cw> don't recall
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| 16:50 | <Lns> Hi all
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| 16:50 | Please forgive me posting my question from last night as it looked like there might have been a netsplit right when I asked..here's the big question:
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| 16:50 | I have an interesting problem on Debian testing - if I play video (.avi, .mpg, etc.) from any (remote) app like Totem or VLC, there is no sound, and players besides VLC will lock up. VLC would still play video, however. BUT, I recently discovered that if, right after I boot the terminal (amd64 arch), launch Iceweasel, go to Youtube, play THEN PAUSE a video, THEN go to a locally hosted movie with Totem/VLC/etc, the movie will play with sound and no
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| 16:51 | t lock up. I thought that might be an interesting clue to what's up with my tc sound issues. I've rebuilt the chroot, tried various lts.conf settings related to sound/sound servers/etc (to pinpoint the prob).. I'm guessing it has something to do with Flash using ALSA/locking the sound device, but I'm not sure what it might mean to pulseaudio.
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| 16:52 | <vagrantc> Lns: this is with a thin client, fatclient, localapps, remoteapps?
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| 17:32 | <Lns> vagrantc, thin client, remoteapps (just running on server, no special configuration when playing videos)
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| 17:33 | <vagrantc> Lns: just a plain thin client, basically?
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| 17:34 | Lns: and what do you mean by "locally hosted movie" ?
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| 17:35 | Lns: and you've got /etc/asound.conf configured to use pulse?
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| 19:47 | <Tass> What's the most popular distro of LTSP?
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| 20:08 | <muppis> Tass, Ubuntu
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| 20:10 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: given the freeze and the increasing strictness of getting things into wheezy, do you think we can sort out ldm-themes today? would you like me to work on the remaining issues?
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| 20:10 | * alkisg waves | |
| 20:11 | <vagrantc> alkisg: hi!
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| 20:11 | <alkisg> How's the weather there? :)
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| 20:11 | * muppis drinks | |
| 20:13 | <vagrantc> alkisg: we just had the brief afternoon downpour ... it's hot and humid, as predicted
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| 20:13 | alkisg: how's your vacationing? :)
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| 20:13 | <alkisg> Sweeeeet... by the beach all day, no PCs around at all, a bit of sailing...
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| 20:14 | Back to home for a few days, then we'll leave again
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| 20:17 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/changes : 503 Service Unavailable No server is available to handle this request.
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| 20:17 | :(
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| 20:17 | <vagrantc> hasn't been too busy
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| 20:20 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: yes and yes
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| 20:20 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: ok, will do
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| 20:21 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: yes as in, yeas we can sort it out today, and yes, if you'd like to change anything, please don't hessitate
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| 20:22 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: i just asked about ldm/ldm-themes in #debian-release and kibi gives pre-approval for "sane" changes :)
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| 20:22 | * highvoltage is severely lacking concentration so far this afternoon but will try and focus a bit | |
| 20:22 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: nice!
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| 20:23 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: i'm wondering if we should just leave the spacefun theme as is, and put: recommends: gtk2-engines | gtk2-engines-murrine
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| 20:24 | highvoltage: that will minimize the diff a bit, and still sort of recommend the right stuff for the defaults
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| 20:25 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: where are you? I'm not 100% sure how that will solve it (I believe you, I just want to have the logic working in my head)
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| 20:25 | <vagrantc> it's not perfect, but i don't think we can do this perfectly given the freeze
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| 20:25 | highvoltage: basically, it means joy, which will have higher priority, will have all the recommends satisfied, while spacefun won't work as well, but at least it doesn't generate a huge diff.
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| 20:26 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: but still shows a recommends for the package that will make it look ok
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| 22:54 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: i pushed what i've done so far.
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| 22:54 | highvoltage: regarding ldm-themes
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