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Channel log from 11 December 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:08 | <viggy_prabhu> Hi friends, I want to know that if i want to install a LTSP server, Do i need a dhcp server running in it?
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| 02:10 | <cyberorg> viggy_prabhu, yes if you do not have any other running
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| 03:37 | <Roel_> hi guys, I'm having some trouble installing on gentoo: at ltsp-build-client it says " [blocks B ] <sys-fs/e2fsprogs-1.41.8 ("<sys-fs/e2fsprogs-1.41.8" is blocking sys-apps/util-linux-2.16.1) " and so on :(. I can't seem to emerge
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| 04:41 | <Juhaz> any clues on enabling local storage for localapps?
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| 05:34 | <Roel_> What is the status of ltsp for gentoo at this moment?
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| 05:38 | <Roel_> Where's that living community?
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| 05:57 | <Roel_> Is there anybody not afk?
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| 05:58 | <cyberorg> Roel_, you need johnny when he is around
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| 05:59 | <Roel_> Yeah, so I've read in bug 177580 ... I just don't know what time they have over there
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| 07:18 | <Roel_> anybody here already that know ltsp 5 on gentoo?
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| 07:21 | <nubae> h,,-
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| 07:21 | my xhcat is really acting up
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| 07:22 | <scottmaccal> Morning all.
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| 07:24 | <Roel_> morning... although its afternoon for me :)
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| 07:25 | <scottmaccal> heh
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| 08:00 | <dmarkey_> sbalneav: i have mozplugger working with mplayer playing on the client while fiefox running on the server
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| 08:14 | <Roel_> anybody here already that know ltsp 5 on gentoo?
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| 08:17 | <alkisg> johnny ?
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| 08:17 | <ogra> or knipwim iirc
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| 08:18 | <Roel_> I guess they're still not really here
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| 08:18 | they don't seem to respond
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| 08:18 | <ogra> just hang around here for a while
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| 08:18 | <Roel_> I am :)
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| 08:19 | just from time to time checking wheter there is anyone online to help me a bit
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| 08:50 | <sbalneav> dmarkey_: nice. Code is where?
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| 09:01 | <cyberorg> alkisg1, shutdown/reboot works!! thanks :)
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| 09:02 | <alkisg1> cyberorg: nice :)
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| 09:02 | <alkisg> cyberorg: did you patch kde?
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| 09:02 | Or did you also use the gnome-session patch?
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| 09:02 | <cyberorg> i had to patch .desktop files to pass our build service checks
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| 09:03 | <alkisg> Ah, fine :)
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| 09:03 | <cyberorg> nothing, just used .desktop files in localapps examples
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| 09:03 | i mean no patching gnome/kde
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| 09:03 | <alkisg> If the gnome-session patch is accepted, at least in Ubuntu Lucid we'll have proper reboot/shutdown directly from the menus... with no desktop files, localapps etc
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| 09:04 | * alkisg bbl | |
| 09:04 | <cyberorg> for now the icons show up in application browser, i can live with that :)
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| 09:05 | if there is gnome-session patch may be we can convince vuntz to include it upstream
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| 09:06 | <ogra> just subscribe him to the LP bug
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| 09:07 | alkisg, ^^
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| 09:09 | <stgraber> AFAIK it's a change to the user-switch menu that Canonical DX team wrote, not to the stock gnome one (but I may be wrong here)
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| 09:10 | <ogra> i think it was a gnome-session patch
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| 09:11 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/491940
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| 09:17 | <alkisg> cyberorg, stgraber, ogra: it's a patch for gnome session, but it "steps" on another patch that canonical put on the vanilla gnome-session
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| 09:17 | So it can't be directly applied upstream, but still, the concept is the same, just 4 lines of code are needed
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| 09:19 | <alkisg> stgraber, ogra, I think the ubuntu maintainer needs an OK from you guys to include it to gnome-session... if you could say an OK to the launchpad bug page, I think he'd accept it.
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| 09:21 | <stgraber> just wondering, as you are doing that in a C file, wouldn't it be cleaner to use gtk/gdk to set the property ?
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| 09:21 | instead of a call to xprop
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| 09:21 | <alkisg> Sure, but I had problems with the headers
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| 09:22 | I'd have to include gdk.h etc and I don't know if they'd want that
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| 09:22 | I could also do with with plain X, but I'd still need 1-2 headers
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| 09:23 | I do have the code ready, if the headers are not a problem...
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| 09:24 | <stgraber> I'd also propose the gdk way of doing it, so they can choose which one they'd like to use
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| 09:25 | <alkisg> The gdk docs say (on the particular function) that we'd better *not* use it, and use X instead :)
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| 09:26 | But sure, I could post the gdk code...
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| 09:26 | * alkisg searches... | |
| 09:27 | <alkisg> gdk_property_change(gdk_get_default_root_window(), gdk_atom_intern("LDM_LOGOUT_ACTION", FALSE), XA_STRING, 8, GDK_PROP_MODE_REPLACE, (guchar *) "HALT", strlen("HALT"));
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| 09:36 | <dmarkey_> sbalneav: it was only to prove the concept
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| 09:38 | what method is used to execute commands on the thin client, from the session
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| 09:39 | <alkisg> ltsp-localapps <cmd>
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| 09:40 | <dmarkey_> and that uses ssh with key auto or something?
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| 09:40 | auth*
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| 09:41 | <sbalneav> dmarkey_: Well, you should at least document what you've done somewhere, so that if someone DOES want to write some code, or produce a package, they can.
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| 09:41 | <alkisg> No, it sets an x atom, and there's a listener which picks it up and executes the command
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| 09:42 | <dmarkey_> wow, snazzy
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| 09:43 | sbalneav: i'll get it working with ltsp-localapps and document it
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| 09:43 | it should be trivial
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| 09:44 | <alkisg> dmarkey_: you managed to run the plugin on the client, and the browser on the server?
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| 09:44 | <dmarkey_> yep
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| 09:44 | <alkisg> How did you do it?
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| 09:45 | <dmarkey_> i just caught that mplayer command that would have been executed on the server, cut + paste and ran it on the client, and it worked
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| 09:46 | <alkisg> And it was embedded in the browser?!
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| 09:46 | <dmarkey_> it was
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| 09:46 | <alkisg> What was the command, do you have it somewhere?
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| 09:47 | <dmarkey_> http://pastebin.com/m14c55983
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| 09:47 | <johnny> flash uses xembed, so i don't see why that wouldn't work either..
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| 09:48 | <alkisg> Ah, there's an x protocol for embedding windows to other windows? Wow! :)
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| 09:49 | johnny: if it uses xembed, then we can only install flash as a localapp? and use a wrapper?!
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| 09:49 | <johnny> alkisg, they made this change sometime last year iirc
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| 09:49 | alkisg, i think so?
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| 09:49 | if you're already using nspluginwrapper, i don't see why you can't front load it with ltsp-localapps command anyways..?
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> I.e. not only for video, but for *everything* flash related... heh, that'd be cool
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| 09:49 | <johnny> not that i've tied..
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| 09:49 | tried*
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> I thought flash could interact with parts of the page...
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| 09:50 | <dmarkey_> johnny: could work
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| 09:51 | <johnny> i thought nspluginwrapper was a terrible idea.. but i went back to it.. even on i386..
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| 09:51 | it is easier to stop the browser from going insane
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| 09:51 | <dmarkey_> ha, really, wow
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| 09:51 | <johnny> just pkill -f nsplugin
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| 09:51 | that's what i run when things are going insane in firefox
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| 09:52 | <dmarkey_> chromium runs flash as a seperate process
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| 09:52 | <johnny> if you use nspluginwrapper, so do you
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| 09:52 | <dmarkey_> well i use chromium anyway
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| 09:53 | <johnny> if i want a webkit browser i use epiphany.. for now
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| 09:53 | i've tried to avoid using chrome*
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| 09:53 | google rarely knows how to open source things
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| 09:53 | things like .. using system libs
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| 09:53 | they kinda suck at it..
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| 09:54 | they have the "code drop" philosophy that apple uses
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| 09:54 | for webkit that is..
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| 09:55 | <jhutchins_lt> sbalneav: [21:10] <sbalneav> jhutchins_lt: docs for LDM_AUTOLOGIN, LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD are in the docs
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| 09:55 | <johnny> jhutchins, just go ahead and try LDM_AUTOLOGIN_TIMEOUT=10
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| 09:56 | or have somebody with an ldm checkout grep for TIMEOUT
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| 09:56 | <jhutchins_lt> The only thing at the "Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream" link is a PDF which decidedly does NOT document any timeout for LDM autologin.
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| 09:56 | <johnny> that's not true
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| 09:56 | there are regular linked docs
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| 09:56 | html docs i mean
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| 09:56 | <jhutchins_lt> Not on that page.
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| 09:56 | <johnny> !docs
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| 09:56 | <ltspbot> johnny: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 09:56 | <jhutchins_lt> I know there are docs out there. That link has ONLY the link to the PDF.
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| 09:57 | <alkisg> LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT
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| 09:57 | <johnny> click MAIN Page
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| 09:57 | that takes you to the docs jhutchins.. did you even try that? :)
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| 09:58 | altho i know they are missing the timeout option
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| 09:58 | <sbalneav> jhutchins_lt: ok, hold on, lemme look
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| 09:58 | <johnny> i looked already
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| 09:58 | <alkisg> if [ -z "$LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT" ] && [ -n "$LDM_TIMEOUT_TIME" ] && [ -n "$LDM_TIMEOUT_ENABLED" ]; then
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| 09:58 | <johnny> only one of those is modern..
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| 09:58 | <alkisg> The first one
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| 09:59 | man lts.conf
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| 09:59 | <jhutchins_lt> " Configuration:Almost all of the client configuration for LTSP is done in the lts.conf file. "
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| 09:59 | alkisg: Unfortunately Debian doesn't include that man page.
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| 09:59 | <alkisg> LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT => This lets LDM automatically login after the set amount of time in seconds. Use it in this format: [thin:client:mac:address] LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT = 25
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| 09:59 | <ogra> should be in ltsp-docs
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| 09:59 | <jhutchins_lt> johnny: There's certainly a framework for documentation.
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| 09:59 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 09:59 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 09:59 | <johnny> which is a link..
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| 09:59 | <ogra> together with all other ltsp docs
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| 09:59 | <johnny> jhutchinsthe lts.conf was a link..
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| 09:59 | <alkisg> jhutchins_lt: well, install it from Ubuntu :)
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| 10:00 | It's just docs...
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| 10:00 | <johnny> but i already know it is missing the option
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| 10:00 | <alkisg> Or from sid...
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| 10:00 | <johnny> sbalneav, perhaps you shouldn't make the PDF linke featured so prominently
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| 10:00 | <ogra> the ltsp-docs package in ubuntu comes from debian :)
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| 10:00 | we autosync it
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| 10:00 | and it contains all upstream docs
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| 10:00 | <jhutchins_lt> Ok, some pretty useful stuff at http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtsConf
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| 10:00 | <ogra> and additional manpages
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| 10:01 | <johnny> jhutchins, see i told you they were there :)
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| 10:01 | altho just not the one you needed :)
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| 10:01 | <alkisg> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 10:01 | <johnny> hopefully fixed shotly tho..
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| 10:01 | <jhutchins_lt> ogra: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "ltsp-docs"
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| 10:01 | <alkisg> jhutchins_lt: ^^ that one's better
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| 10:02 | (= more recent)
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| 10:02 | !lts.conf
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| 10:02 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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| 10:02 | <alkisg> !forget lts.conf
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| 10:02 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 10:02 | <alkisg> !learn lts.conf as http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 10:02 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 10:02 | <jhutchins_lt> Excellent, I was hoping that picking this up agan during the daytime would get me somewhere.
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| 10:03 | <sbalneav> jhutchins_lt: I'm unsure as to what you want. Was there a missing parameter?
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| 10:03 | * jhutchins_lt is off reading manpages and testing timeout. | |
| 10:03 | <dmarkey_> sbalneav: so do you guys work for companies that pay for you to hack at LTSP
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| 10:03 | <ogra> jhutchins, well, it comes from debian, i added it to the sync list in ubuntu and have it installed here :)
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| 10:03 | <sbalneav> dmarkey_: no
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| 10:03 | I don't, anyway
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| 10:03 | <dmarkey_> lol.. sorry that wasnt ment to be at you specifically
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| 10:03 | <ogra> jhutchins, what release are you using ? might have enetered the archive after lenny
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| 10:04 | not sure, debian releases are so rare and outdated :)
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| 10:04 | <sbalneav> johnny: Why shouldn't I feature the pdf?
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| 10:04 | <jhutchins_lt> ogra: Don't know where in debian - testing/sid?
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| 10:04 | <ogra> jhutchins, both i think
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| 10:05 | <johnny> because people don't notice to click on the main page for the html docs
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| 10:05 | <Juhaz> does anyone have any hints on enabling local storage for localapps?
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| 10:05 | <ogra> we snyced it before karmic released ... so it should be in testing since a while
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| 10:05 | <alkisg> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ltsp-docs
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| 10:05 | <jhutchins_lt> Yep: ltsp-docs -- sid: 0.99+bzr91-1 squeeze: 0.99+bzr91-1
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| 10:06 | johnny: We would assume that the main page would not be the docs page if the docs page exists seperately.
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| 10:07 | <ogra> !seen vagrantc
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| 10:07 | <ltspbot> ogra: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 19 hours, 18 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <vagrantc> options come from ltsp, ldm, and ltspfs sources, so it's hard to auto-generate them.
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| 10:07 | <ogra> heh, seems he was talking about the manpage bug :)
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| 10:08 | * sbalneav is really unsure in all this talk exactly WHAT deficiency there is in the docs | |
| 10:08 | <alkisg> Nah, someone proposed that we should autogenerate the lts.conf man page :)
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| 10:08 | Erm, lts.conf settings listing
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| 10:09 | <ogra> sbalneav, there is none
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> Is there a missing parameter that I'm not aware of?
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| 10:09 | <jhutchins_lt> With LDM_AUTOLOGIN=Y it went direct to autologin. Trying without that.
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| 10:09 | <alkisg> Not enough nudity in the sf wiki page? :P :D
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| 10:10 | <sbalneav> I've asked jhutchins_lt several times, but it seems he's not deigning to respond to the guy who actually cares for the docs, so there's not much I can do to fix things unless I know exactly what's wrong.
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| 10:10 | <ogra> sbalneav, no, there is a complaint that the options for ltsp-build-client arent all listed in the manpage, but the manpage explains why, check your bugmail, we have a bug open about it (i think you even assigned it to yourself)
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| 10:11 | sbalneav, oh, seems we talk about different things :)
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| 10:11 | <jhutchins_lt> sbalneav: Sorry, I've been responding to multiple threads, chiefly by reading the docs - and testing them.
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| 10:11 | * ogra was just referring to vagrants last words in the !seen command | |
| 10:11 | <jhutchins_lt> sbalneav: Were you asking anything besides "what's missing from the docs?"
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| 10:12 | <sbalneav> If theres something missing from the docs, let me know, and I will add them.
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| 10:12 | I am the primary person maintaining the docs.
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| 10:12 | <jhutchins_lt> sbalneav: Thank you, it was just a question of FINDING the proper docs.
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| 10:12 | <sbalneav> well the entire lts.conf file is documented in the pdf
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| 10:13 | <ogra> sbalneav, i was just referring to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/479423 ... seems vagrant talked about that issue
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| 10:13 | sbalneav, no action required ;)
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| 10:13 | <jhutchins_lt> sbalneav: I suggest you check again. It's documented, but certainly not all options. Option format yes.
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| 10:13 | <sbalneav> the lts.conf.xml file is broken up into sections, and each section is included in the relevent area in the larger pdf.
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| 10:13 | <jhutchins_lt> Probably works better if you write the lts.conf before testing changes...
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| 10:13 | <sbalneav> And I ask again...
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| 10:14 | WHICH OPTION HAVE YOU FOUND THAT'S NOT DOCUMENTED?
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| 10:14 | <jhutchins_lt> sbalneav: Let me finish testing, I will check the PDF again.
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| 10:14 | sbalneav: LTS_AUTOLOGIN_TIMEOUT
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| 10:14 | LDM rather.
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| 10:14 | <sbalneav> Thank you!
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| 10:14 | <alkisg> There's no such option
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| 10:14 | <sbalneav> I will look into that.
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| 10:14 | <alkisg> It's LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT
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| 10:16 | and it *IS* documented on the pdf.
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| 10:16 | LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT integer
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| 10:16 | This lets LDM automatically login after the set amount of time in seconds. Use it in this format:
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| 10:16 | [thin:client:mac:address]
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| 10:16 | LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT = 25
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| 10:16 | <sbalneav> alkisg: Correct
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| 10:17 | <alkisg> sbalneav: why don't you include the .pdf on the ltsp-docs package?
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| 10:17 | <sbalneav> vagrant did the packaging for ltsp-docs.
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| 10:17 | but now that I'm learning packaging, I may re-do it
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| 10:17 | <ogra> :)
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> ;) one more for motu :D
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| 10:18 | <jhutchins_lt> Ok, rather than continue to try to get this working, I will persue what is and isn't documented where. As I said earlier, it was largely a matter of finding the right docs. There are many, not all of which are yours, not all of which are complete. I'm trying. Right now I have LDM_AUTOLOGIN=Y commented out and it's not timing out.
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| 10:18 | <ogra> i'll sponsor you
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| 10:18 | <sbalneav> personally, I'd prefer to actually have it integrated into gnome and kde's help
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| 10:18 | rather than shipping a static pdf
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> Yeah, that'd be better. It's already xml, right? So it shouldn't be too difficult...
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> I figured out how to do it for the sabayon docs
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| 10:19 | <jhutchins_lt> Dang - I already had it in there as "5", have specific terminal as 25. I'm probably on an earlier version that doesn't enable that. Perhaps "as of version" or "requires version" would clarify the docs.
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> so yeah, it's actually EASIER than generating the pdf
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| 10:19 | <alkisg> jhutchins_lt: can you post your lts.conf ?
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| 10:20 | <jhutchins_lt> alkisg: Yes, right now I'm searching the PDF.
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| 10:20 | <sbalneav> confirmed by looking at the source. There is no LDM_AUTOLOGIN_TIMEOUT, there is LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT, which is documented.
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| 10:21 | <jhutchins_lt> sbalneav: The PDF has five sections on lts.conf: location, sample, section headings, variable assignments, The LIKE keyword.
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| 10:22 | Ok, the LDM configuration _is_ documented, under LDM. It makes a bit more sense how it's laid out now.
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| 10:22 | sbalneav: Actually, that's what I'm using, I'm just transcribing it badly.
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| 10:23 | In any case, it does not appear to be working so far. Do I nee _both_ timeout and autologin = y?
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| 10:24 | <jhutchins_lt> sbalneav: The whole problem has really been me finding the right portion of the docs.
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| 10:24 | alkisg: Hang on while I grab the conf for pastebin.
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| 10:25 | alkisg: http://pastebin.com/f3d328bfa
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| 10:26 | Hang on, missed the login, gotta test again.
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| 10:26 | <alkisg> LOCAL_STORGE=Y ==> typo
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| 10:26 | <alkisg> LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT = 25 ==> don't put it 2 times...
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| 10:28 | <jhutchins_lt> Thank you kindly. In that configuration it doesn't time out.
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| 10:28 | <alkisg> LDM_AUTOLOGIN=Y ==> don't specify both autologin AND timeout...
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| 10:28 | <jhutchins_lt> sbalneav: That should be clarified in the docs.
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| 10:29 | alkisg: Ok, those three corrections made, rebooting agian.
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| 10:30 | alkisg: Got the login page.
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| 10:31 | alkisg: Still at the login page.
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| 10:33 | * alkisg goes to pickup his kids, bbl... | |
| 10:33 | <jhutchins_lt> alkisg: 5.1.10-2
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| 10:34 | <ogra> 10 ?
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| 10:34 | woah, thats old
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| 10:35 | <jhutchins_lt> ogra: That's Lenny/stable Debian.
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| 10:35 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:36 | <jhutchins_lt> Looks like 60, 90, & 93 are available.
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| 10:36 | <ogra> we're at .96 https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
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| 10:37 | there should be a backports repo for lenny ltsp somewhere
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| 10:38 | <jhutchins_lt> ogra: Checking.
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| 10:47 | <jhutchins_lt> Following http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto/Lenny-With-Backports to update.
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> jhutchins_lt: you may also check if lenny supports the older way to do it:
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| 10:50 | LDM_TIMEOUT_ENABLED and LDM_TIMEOUT_TIME
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| 10:50 | <jhutchins_lt> Sigh.
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| 10:50 | Already in mid-upgrade.
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| 10:50 | <alkisg> I wrote that 1 hour ago :)
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| 10:54 | <jhutchins_lt> Might have been a netsplit or something.
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| 10:57 | Now to see if I've b0rked it.
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| 10:59 | Well, it counts down, but doesn't log in.
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| 11:00 | <ogra> check auth.log and ~/.xsession-errors of the user
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| 11:02 | <jhutchins_lt> ogra: Ok, where am I going to find that?
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| 11:02 | <ogra> on the server
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| 11:02 | <jhutchins_lt> On the client, on the server, in the chroot?
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| 11:03 | Nothing in the auth.log for the current session...
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| 11:03 | <ogra> well, then no ssh connection is attempted, you should see an entry fo rthe user you try
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| 11:04 | if you see the user in auth log, ~/.xsession-errors should show if your installed desktop starts properly or if it fails due to any desktop app
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| 11:04 | so find out why no ssh connection is tried
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| 11:05 | <jhutchins_lt> Well, that sucks, if I manually enter the username it goes straight to "verifying password" (no password entered), then says "no response from server, restarting, and restarts ldm at the autologin countdown.
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| 11:07 | Let's try plain autologin...
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| 11:08 | <ogra> try running ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server
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| 11:08 | <jhutchins_lt> plain autologin works.
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| 11:09 | <ogra> so you get to a desktop ?
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| 11:11 | <jhutchins_lt> Yep. Now trying timeout again.
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| 11:13 | b0rken on 90.
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| 11:14 | I'm going to have to create a menu item to launch a second session if a second user wants to log in.
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| 11:14 | I can do that.
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| 11:17 | <jhutchins_lt> Thans for all the help guys! I really appreciate your patience with me.
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| 11:30 | <sbalneav> Eurgh, the sourceforge wiki is sooooooo sloooooooowwww
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| 11:30 | <ogra> set up your own :)
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| 11:30 | with a proper and safe wikiengine like moin
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| 11:31 | <sbalneav> No problem, #194730572048753487369741576593745634563846 on my "todo" list.
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| 11:35 | <squarepeg> sbalneav:got a sec?
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| 11:38 | <jammcq> hey homies
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| 11:38 | <elias_a> ?
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| 11:38 | <squarepeg> jammcq:!
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| 11:39 | <jammcq> hey chuck
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| 11:39 | how's it goin?
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| 11:39 | <squarepeg> pretty good..a server giving me fits..but..thats pretty normanl
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| 11:40 | <ogra> jammcq, hey ...
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| 11:40 | <jammcq> I just saw that Redhat open-sourced SPICE, which is their idea of a RDP type of protocol for delivering virtual desktops to PCs and thin clients
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| 11:40 | ogra: howdie
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| 11:40 | <ogra> jammcq, there was some guy ranting about the wiki speed
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| 11:40 | <jammcq> I'm wondering if Warren was working on that project
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| 11:40 | oh?
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| 11:40 | is it too slow for him?
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| 11:40 | <ogra> jammcq, that scott guy complained ;)
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| 11:41 | right before you joined
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| 11:41 | <CAN-o-SPAM> jammcq: i mailed warren a bit ago and haven't heard from him for the first time in awhile
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| 11:43 | <Roel_> how do I easely recompile a kernel
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| 11:43 | ?
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| 11:43 | or at least manually?
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| 11:43 | <ogra> check your distro docs
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| 11:43 | ltsp uses distro kernels
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| 11:44 | <Roel_> I did but my distro doesn't have real docs :s (Gentoo)
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| 11:44 | I use ltsp_build_client... i don't know how that is for other distro's?
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| 11:45 | <ogra> same thing without compiling ;)
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| 11:46 | <Roel_> so when you want to recomile a kernel with other options.... you just recompile the complete client (or just install binary then for you)
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| 11:46 | <ogra> you dont recompile anything on binary distros :)
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| 11:46 | <Roel_> but when you need a special kernel... you need to recompile no?
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| 11:47 | recomile the kernel at least?
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| 11:47 | *recompile
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| 11:47 | <ogra> nope
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| 11:47 | what would you need ?
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| 11:47 | <Roel_> bump
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| 11:47 | I need a kernel that has math emulation in it
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| 11:47 | which is quite unusual...
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| 11:48 | <ogra> well, if i would need something in the kernel core (which really doesnt happen) i would download the sourcepackage, apply my patch to the package and rebuild the package and install it
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| 11:48 | (install it in the client chroot)
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| 11:49 | then i would run ltsp-update-kernels so it gets copied in the right places
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| 11:49 | <Roel_> and what if you need a changed initramfs?
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| 11:49 | <ogra> i chroot into the chroot and run update-initramfs
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| 11:49 | and then run ltsp-update-kernels
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| 11:50 | <Roel_> great idea
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| 11:50 | didn't know there was a command update-initramfs
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| 11:50 | <ogra> wont work on gentoo i guess :)
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| 11:50 | <Roel_> let me see if I have that aswell
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| 11:50 | <ogra> not in gentoo
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| 11:50 | <Roel_> na, indeed, don't have
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| 11:50 | <ogra> it was developed by ubuntu ... debian took it, you will onbly find it in these two distros
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| 11:50 | <Roel_> damn I'm stuck again
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| 11:51 | <ogra> i think gentoo focuses on dracut
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| 11:55 | <ogra> vagrantc, !
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| 11:55 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 11:56 | <ogra> vagrantc, i'll be back in portland in the first week of feb. :)
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| 11:56 | <rjune> Hey ogra
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| 11:57 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, i'd best take you out for drinks or some such :)
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| 11:57 | <rjune> another code sprint?
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| 11:57 | <ogra> yeah, distro team sprint
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| 11:57 | the typical one right before feature freeze
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| 12:00 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: sneaky way to get other distros :)
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| 12:01 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:05 | <dmarkey_> sbalneav: anyone got any LTSP virtual appliances?
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| 12:05 | grr
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| 12:05 | sorry sbalneav
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| 12:14 | <johnny> genkernel does initramfs
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| 12:14 | stuff
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| 12:14 | until we switch to dracut..
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| 12:15 | which would be great to have help with..
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| 12:50 | <jhutchins_lt> Anybody know if I can make a pxelinux.cfg menu that will allow me to choose between GUI ltsp and console?
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| 12:52 | <johnny> you'd have to parse the kernel command line..
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| 12:52 | in the chroot
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| 12:52 | i don't think we have that option in ltsp..
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| 12:52 | you can use it to choose between many things..
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| 12:52 | but the ltsp bootup must be abel to read the kernel command line to know what to do
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| 12:53 | perhaps somebody else in here knows if we already read the kernel command line somewhere?
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| 12:53 | i don't remember seeing any such code
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| 12:53 | is that something other people would want?
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| 12:53 | <jammcq> yeah, /proc/cmdline
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| 12:54 | <johnny> jammcq, i know it can be done.. and howw
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| 12:54 | but do we do it .. and should we
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| 12:54 | err.. s/and/or/
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| 12:55 | <jammcq> with pxelinux, you can supply a menu with different kernel cmdlines for each menu choice
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| 12:55 | I don't think we need to do it as part of the project. just someone needs to figure it out and document it
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| 13:01 | <jhutchins_lt> jammcq: You're right, pxelinux.cfg/default uses the same format as syslinux, and it's documented in the /usr/share/doc/syslinux/menu.txt file.
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| 13:01 | <johnny> jammcq, we still have to parse it in ltsp
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| 13:01 | that's the problem.. we don't expose the SCREEN setting via /proc/cmdline
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| 13:02 | just because you know how to set a parmaeter as part of the pxe boot menu, doesn't mean there's anything to act on it..
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| 13:02 | jhutchins_lt, we will need to read /proc/cmdline looking for screen_07 or whatever..
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| 13:03 | <jhutchins_lt> johnny: Actually, at that point in the process it's entirely up to pxelinux what happens next.
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| 13:03 | <johnny> and?
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| 13:03 | i'm confused
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| 13:03 | jhutchins_lt, i'm talkking about still using the same chroot, just choosing which ltsp screen script to use
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| 13:04 | <jhutchins_lt> Ok, text vs. GUI.
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| 13:04 | <johnny> SCREEN_0X=shell , SCREEN_0X=rdesktop
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| 13:04 | <jhutchins_lt> Yeah, would pass different kernel opts.
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| 13:04 | <johnny> how will you tell text vs gui without passing it on the kernel command line or modifying lts.conf ?
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| 13:04 | and that's what we don't handle in ltsp init scrits
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| 13:04 | that's the part you'd have to write
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| 13:05 | <jhutchins_lt> LABEL softcap
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| 13:05 | MENU LABEL Soft Cap ^Linux 9.6.36
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| 13:05 | KERNEL softcap-9.6.36.bzi
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| 13:05 | APPEND whatever
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| 13:05 | Use the APPEND statement.
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| 13:06 | If appending something to the kernel line is enough to do the switch, the actual settings that I know of are actually in lts.conf.
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| 13:08 | <sbalneav> dmarkey_: I beleive Gadi's company deals them
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| 13:08 | Symbiont
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| 13:08 | Who here knows mediawiki? How do I make my external links look prettier?
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| 13:09 | [1] isn't doing it for me
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| 13:09 | [[http][bla]] syntax?
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| 13:09 | Lets see...
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| 13:17 | <sbalneav> ah, got it.
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| 13:17 | ok
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| 13:18 | <sbalneav> jhutchins_lt: FYI, I've updated the docs with the information that if LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT is specified, LDM_AUTOLOGIN shouldn't be. As well, I've included a link to the lts.conf.5 manpage.
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| 13:18 | <jhutchins_lt> sbalneav: Excellent! When I get my legs a little better I'll try to help out on the wiki.
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| 13:19 | <sbalneav> For everyone ELSES' information, I've updated the LtspDocumentationUpstream wiki page to also point to the bzr branch for ~ltsp-docwriters
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| 13:28 | <dmarkey_> sbalneav: does he charge?
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| 13:59 | <sbalneav> dmarkey_: Well, yeah, he's got a business selling the things :)
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| 14:03 | <dmarkey_> oh, thats cheeky
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| 14:10 | anyone tried kde4 over ltsp
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| 15:15 | <tryltsp> Hello Guys, im using ltsp5 and try configure serial mouse
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| 15:16 | ive made the changes in lts.conf, like X_MOUSE_DEVICE="/dev/ttyS0" and X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL="microsoft" and get it on the terminal with getltspcfg, but my xorg still try detect the mouse
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| 15:17 | my ambient is ubuntu 9.10 + ltps5, some onde could guive me a hand?
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| 15:18 | someone?
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| 15:53 | <kusznir> Quick question: is there an easy way to set a MOTD on my terminal server that prints when users log in from thin clients?
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| 15:53 | (i.e., a graphical MOTD...probably something like a box that pops up with the message in it that they have to click on OK for, and that won't show up if I don't have a message set)
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| 15:57 | <vagrantc> kusznir: what distro?
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| 15:57 | <kusznir> Sorry...ubuntu 9.04
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| 15:57 | <vagrantc> with debian or ubuntu, you could drop a script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
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| 15:58 | <tarzeau> anyone runs ltsp on ppc clients?
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| 15:58 | anyone got an ultrasparc?
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> tarzeau: i got a few ultrasparcs set aside with the thought that *someday* i'll try to get LTSP running on them again
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| 15:59 | <tarzeau> vagrantc: could you get http://cow.ethz.ch/gnustep/GNUSTEP-sparc64-2.0.iso and test it now?
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> i had it working at one point
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| 15:59 | tarzeau: no
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| 16:00 | i also always mean to getting around to testing LTSP on powerpc
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| 16:00 | <tarzeau> if i can help?
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> tarzeau: i don't have access to any of them right
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| 16:00 | now
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| 16:00 | <tarzeau> ok, i can test it tomorrow morning i guess
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| 17:43 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:21 | <ehrenpr> can anyone tell me what the best way to set up shared home folders on edubuntu might be?
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| 21:22 | <sbalneav> ehrenpr: Shared home folders?
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| 21:22 | Or a shared directory that everyone can use?
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| 21:23 | <ehrenpr> what I want to do is have shared home folders that ar linked to a shared directory.
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| 21:25 | <sbalneav> I'm not sure what you mean. Do you want the home folders to be available from several different machines?
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| 21:25 | If so, then you want to set up an NFS server.
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| 21:25 | Did you get your ltsp thin clients set up?
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| 21:27 | <ehrenpr> Yes. they are running sweet now. thanks for all your help. Now I am tweeking. What I want is to have users home directory to be linked to my shared directory on my server. I think its a samba share.
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| 21:28 | that way when the save documents on the thin clients all there work is saved in one location rather than in the individual home directories.
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| 21:30 | I run an artroom and have all the students in the school. Its not possible to set up user accounts for every student. so instead I have thin clients named after the specific unit. and all the kids share that account.
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| 21:31 | <sbalneav> I would just create a shared area for them to save their work into, and then smb mount it on the thin client server.
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| 21:31 | You won't be able to have the full home directory on the samba server
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| 21:32 | <ehrenpr> the problem I have is that openoffice will only allow me to save into the home directory.
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| 21:36 | <sbalneav> No
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| 21:36 | We save outside the home directory all the time.
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| 21:36 | <ehrenpr> do you know of any other workarounds?
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| 21:36 | <sbalneav> I have 185 people doing it day in and day out :)
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| 21:37 | How are you saving?
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| 21:37 | <sbalneav> evening vagrantc
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| 21:39 | <ehrenpr> I have open office running localy on the chroot?
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| 21:40 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hey
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| 21:40 | <sbalneav> ehrenpr: Ugh, don't run OpenOffice.org locally. You don't need to.
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| 21:40 | It's very low on resources.
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| 21:41 | and generates very little cpu, you'd be better off running that on the server.
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| 21:42 | <ehrenpr> ok. However is there any way to sync my local-app firefox profiles?
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| 21:43 | <sbalneav> How do you mean "sync"?
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| 21:43 | You mean, make all profiles the same?
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| 21:45 | <ehrenpr> I would like to be able to set up extensions, home pages, etc on one user account and have it apply to all of the others.
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| 21:46 | <sbalneav> You'll want to set up a default user.js in usr/lib/firefox-3.0.x/default/profile
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| 21:46 | extentions you install globally with apt-get
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| 21:48 | <ehrenpr> ok I think I now how to do that. let me try that out. Thanks again
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| 21:48 | know
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| 21:50 | <sbalneav> np
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| 22:51 | <turbodsl> anybody home?
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| 22:51 | <sbalneav> yes
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| 22:51 | <turbodsl> any idea when the wiki doc pages will be ported over?
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| 22:51 | <sbalneav> Upstream docs are there already.
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| 22:51 | !docs
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| 22:51 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 22:52 | <turbodsl> checking
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| 22:52 | <sbalneav> most of the stuff on the old wiki was so hopelessly out of date, I'm hoping it never comes back.
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| 22:54 | <turbodsl> seems like that's the stuff
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| 22:55 | <sbalneav> It's been there since a few days after the wiki moved over.
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| 22:55 | <turbodsl> I dug around on launchpad for a while today looking for source not tied to ubuntu and didn't find any. Is all the current work on ubuntu?
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| 22:57 | <sbalneav> No, currently LTSP runs on Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE, and Gentoo's close on their porting efforts.
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| 22:58 | The code's simply hosted on launchpad.
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| 22:58 | We're always looking for people to port to other distros.
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| 22:58 | <turbodsl> I asked McQuillan last night if the source was available and he said to check out launchpad. I found those, but no generic source. I'm interested in porting to Arch.
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| 22:59 | <sbalneav> Specifically, I'd love to see someone from the RHEL camp step forward.
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| 22:59 | https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
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| 22:59 | <turbodsl> Sorry, haven't done Redhat since 5.0
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| 23:00 | <sbalneav> under the "branches" header.
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| 23:00 | To port to your distro, you'd need to write plugins for ltsp-build-client.
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| 23:01 | <turbodsl> I'll need to study the docs for a while before I get going. My intention is to port into my Arch environment at home then package up for the arch crowd. Dunno how involved the plugins are.
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| 23:02 | <sbalneav> You'll probably need some help from your distro team, as LTSP requires some things be in the initramfs
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| 23:04 | <johnny> turbodsl, i know some arch people..
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| 23:04 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, hi, got tired of hearing how difficult it is to get ltsp on unsupported distribution so decided to write a how to :)
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| 23:04 | <johnny> i'd be able to getyou pointed in the right direction
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| 23:04 | it's not hard to get it on an unsupported distro
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| 23:04 | <johnny> it's pretty easy.. if your distro has decent tools
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| 23:06 | <turbodsl> from my little bit of poking around, I just need my initrd to have nbd support? Then just pxe boot the image?
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| 23:06 | <johnny> turbodsl, you don't even need nbd
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| 23:06 | it's not required
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| 23:06 | debain doesn't support it by default
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| 23:06 | and gentoo not at all
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| 23:06 | <sbalneav> yeah, you can use NFS.
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| 23:06 | <turbodsl> sweet
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| 23:06 | <cyberorg> sbalneav, hi :) the howto is "quick and dirty" way of getting ltsp, not the "proper" way
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| 23:06 | <johnny> mostly because on gentoo it's just too much work..
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| 23:06 | we have to make them rebuild the kernel and patch it
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| 23:06 | which isn't fun
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| 23:07 | and i don't wanna maintain a kernel ebuild
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| 23:07 | sbalneav, are you familiar with that drdb thing or whatever it is
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| 23:07 | the network disk replication thing?
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| 23:08 | <turbodsl> cyberorg, I think i read your howto, just cut and paste from working ltsp on ubuntu right?
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| 23:08 | <cyberorg> johnny, wrote this some time back http://en.opensuse.org/DRBD
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| 23:08 | turbodsl, from openSUSE live DVD
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| 23:09 | <turbodsl> sorry, opensuse right.
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| 23:09 | <cyberorg> no cut paste, just tarball/extract
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| 23:09 | johnny, that is the working setup i tested
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| 23:09 | <sbalneav> drbl?
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| 23:09 | <turbodsl> what makes that "not right" other than the obvious not being special built for the environment?
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| 23:10 | forgive my stupid questions, I'm not a coder by proffession
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| 23:10 | <cyberorg> turbodsl, because it defeats the whole purpose of LTSP5, it is supposed to use distribution tools
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| 23:10 | <turbodsl> and I should preface that question by saying I prefer to do the "rightway" on most stuff
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| 23:15 | <cyberorg> turbodsl, "rightway" can change from project's to users' perspective, right way for me is the way which gets work done, of course should not be illegal by law ;)
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| 23:16 | <turbodsl> indeed. :)
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| 23:16 | how about "non-kludgy" :)
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| 23:17 | <cyberorg> just tarballing chroot from working ubuntu/suse to your distro is good start, it at least gets your work done in short term and gives you understanding what is involved that needs modification/adaptations for your distro
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| 23:18 | <turbodsl> Let's say, the proper way is one in which it's not non-standard and does not need authors to fix if needed.
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| 23:19 | <cyberorg> what James mentioned in his post or what is listed here http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Other_Distros is lot less kludgy than what you will get initially hacking away the scripts
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| 23:19 | <turbodsl> With that said, I'm inclined to at least load it up on a test box and see how it works. I have a ubuntu test box sitting around. Never messed with suse.
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| 23:20 | <cyberorg> heh, that is why we have live DVD/USB so it is easier for anyone who do not want to install to test LTSP :)
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| 23:20 | <turbodsl> right. I'm tracking ya
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| 23:21 | <cyberorg> as i mentioned, i started with getting ubuntu tarball in openSUSE, it is as easy
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| 23:22 | if you do try it on Arch, add it to the list on our wiki :)
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| 23:22 | <turbodsl> guess I need to d/l the live suse disk then.
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| 23:22 | at least to try it out. I'm pretty sure long term I want to package ltsp5 up for the arch guys.
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| 23:26 | guess i'll go d/l it and thanks for the tips guys. I'll probably come bug you more later.
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| 23:27 | <cyberorg> johnny, one of reason for using kiwi was that our kernel guys will make it very difficult to get anything in distro kernel/initrd
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| 23:55 | <ehrenpr> anyone around who can help me configure dansgurdian with edubuntu\
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