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Channel log from 24 June 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:54 | * Hyperbyte roars. | |
| 03:54 | <Hyperbyte> Client only at 10% CPU usage, server only at 10% CPU usage, network that can pull 928 megabits per second...
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| 03:54 | And still LTSP lags, both 32-bit and 64-bit versions, both Fedora 10 and Fedora 11
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| 03:55 | What could cause the slow responses on the client?
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| 03:55 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: the xlib bug?
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| 03:55 | (I don't know if it applies to fedora)
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| 03:55 | <Hyperbyte> xlib bug?
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| 03:55 | * alkisg is looking.... | |
| 03:57 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: I'm talking about this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxcb/+bug/277069 - again, I don't know if it affects fedora
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| 03:58 | Hyperbyte: try `ssh -Y somepc` and then `firefox` to see if the performance is good or not.
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| 03:58 | <Hyperbyte> Sounds it could be related... it's mostly java applications that run slow I think
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| 03:59 | <alkisg> E.g. ssh -Y localhost and then firefox and then right click => it takes >= 3 seconds to show the menu without the patch.
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| 03:59 | <Hyperbyte> ugh
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| 04:00 | That's a trip to the server room right there. :P
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| 04:00 | Be right back.
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| 04:03 | <Hyperbyte> ugh... I can't even get there right now (long story)
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| 04:03 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: any fedora pc will do...
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| 04:03 | (if it has the same version of related software)
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| 04:03 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah, I figured... but none of those. :)
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| 04:03 | ... around here
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| 04:03 | <alkisg> Ah, k
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| 04:03 | <Hyperbyte> Only thin client...
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| 04:04 | But, this is good info.
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| 04:05 | At least I have some other place to look besides hardware and network.
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| 04:05 | Thanks. :)
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| 04:05 | <alkisg> yw :)
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| 04:28 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg: confirmed... Firefox right click menu takes 3 seconds to appear
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| 04:28 | :)
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| 04:28 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: I think the fix will go upstream...
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| 04:29 | So it's a matter of time to also get to fedora (if it hasn't already)
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| 04:29 | <Hyperbyte> Well currently I'm running Fedora 10 and I had the same problems with Fedora 11
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| 04:32 | <Hyperbyte> Hmmm, there's an upstream fix for Fedora
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| 08:07 | <lukas2511> hi. i have a problem with my ltsp setup. i installed everything and configured LOCALDEV and so on. usb sticks are recognized on the thin client (i checked tty1) but on X there is no message. if i login as root i can see and mount the stick. the user accounts are over nfs and a mysql database. can anyone help me ?
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| 08:09 | some info: i am using debian lenny with ltsp-server-standalone package from debian repo
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| 08:17 | <lukas2511> no one can help me ?
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| 08:19 | * ogra guesses you dont use proper default groups | |
| 08:19 | <lukas2511> wait...
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| 08:19 | <ogra> you need one group per user to have localdev working properly
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| 08:20 | <lukas2511> oh..
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| 08:20 | <ogra> also you say "i installed everything and configured LOCALDEV and so on"
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| 08:20 | what exactly did you configure there ?
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| 08:20 | <lukas2511> *;*;*;Al0000-2400;plugdev,fuse,scanner,video,audio,netdev,cdrom,dialout,floppy,powerdev,users,disk,haldaemon,staff
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| 08:20 | <ogra> you dont need to configure anything, it works out of the box
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| 08:20 | <coordinador> help pls
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| 08:20 | <lukas2511> i added this line to /etc/security/group.conf
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| 08:21 | <ogra> lukas2511, beyond that, vagrantc maintains the debian port
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| 08:21 | he can probably help more detailed
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| 08:21 | <lukas2511> vagrantc: :) help me please :)
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| 08:21 | <ogra> but generally you should automatically see /media/$USER/<devicename> after plugging in a usb key
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| 08:21 | <lukas2511> yeah that happens when i login as root
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| 08:22 | /media/root/STICK appears
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| 08:22 | but with other users.. no chance
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| 08:23 | <ogra> well, make sure you havent messed up the user:grop mapping debian uses by default
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| 08:23 | *group
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| 08:23 | there should be one group per user
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| 08:23 | <lukas2511> yeah i use mysql logins i have something like username:pupils
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| 08:23 | <ogra> no
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| 08:23 | shoudl be user:user
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| 08:23 | <lukas2511> okay then i have to reconfigure nscd...
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| 08:23 | <vagrantc> lukas2511: i would strongly discourage adding all users to the disk group...
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| 08:23 | <ogra> that too :)
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| 08:23 | <lukas2511> vagrantc: was just a test
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| 08:24 | <ogra> as well as haldaemon
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| 08:24 | <lukas2511> cause i dont know what it is good for ^^
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| 08:24 | <vagrantc> lukas2511: all you should need for LOCALDEV/ltspfs is the fuse group.
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| 08:24 | <ogra> and proper user groups
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| 08:25 | <lukas2511> vagrantc: i added this first but didnt work. i will try to configure nscd like ogra said (user:user)
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| 08:25 | <ogra> else /media/$USER/<devicename> wont be bind mounted
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| 08:25 | <coordinador> thanks, the problem was solved
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| 08:25 | :)
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| 08:26 | <vagrantc> nscd?
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| 08:26 | <lukas2511> vagrantc: its for login over ldap/mysql
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| 08:26 | <ogra> vagrantc, he uses a mysql server as ldap replacement
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| 08:26 | <lukas2511> its easy to config ^^
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| 08:27 | <vagrantc> lukas2511: ah. what's the output of the "id" command from a logged in user?
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| 08:27 | <ogra> and easy to merss up ;)
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| 08:27 | *mess
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| 08:27 | <lukas2511> vagrantc: uid=2000(lukas2511) gid=9002(admins) Gruppen=9002(admins)
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| 08:27 | <vagrantc> lukas2511: looks like you don't have fuse.
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| 08:27 | <lukas2511> its configured over /etc/security
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| 08:27 | <vagrantc> lukas2511: and your default group isn't the same as the user...
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| 08:28 | <ogra> and gid should be lukas2511
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| 08:28 | <lukas2511> yeah i will try this now
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| 08:28 | but nscd doesnt want the new config.. trying a bit here and there i will report when i got it working
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| 08:28 | <vagrantc> not having a unique group per user shouldn't stop it from mounting, though... it should just show up on everyone's desktop who has access to that group.
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| 08:28 | <ogra> hmm, indeed
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| 08:29 | * vagrantc hears the moan of the ghost of virtual hal devices | |
| 08:29 | <ogra> heh
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| 08:29 | not before we have dbus forwarding
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| 08:30 | <lukas2511> uid=4187(chanel) gid=4187(chanel) Gruppen=4187(chanel)
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| 08:30 | like this ?
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| 08:31 | <vagrantc> lukas2511: you also need them in the fuse group
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| 08:31 | <lukas2511> yeah.. do you know the gid out of head ? ^
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| 08:31 | <ogra> its dynamic
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| 08:31 | so he cant :)
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| 08:31 | <vagrantc> it varies
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| 08:32 | <lukas2511> oh O.o
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| 08:32 | <ogra> look in /etc/group
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| 08:32 | <lukas2511> thats bad...
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| 08:32 | <ogra> its ok if you only have a single server ...
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| 08:32 | <lukas2511> the problem is that i have many ltsp servers
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| 08:32 | <ogra> gets tricky with multiple ones
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| 08:32 | <lukas2511> 4 servers
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| 08:33 | can i give the group as groupname or does debian want the gid ?
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| 08:33 | <vagrantc> lukas2511: it's not what debian wants, it's what whatever you've configured wants.
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| 08:34 | lukas2511: you could just use pam_group on all your servers, and not manage that in ldap/mysql
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| 08:34 | <ogra> ++
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| 08:34 | <lukas2511> i need the groups and users over mysql cause they are dynamic
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| 08:35 | <ogra> not the server specific system groups
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| 08:35 | <lukas2511> pam reads both if you mean that
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| 08:35 | <ogra> of which fuse is one
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| 08:35 | <lukas2511> first local groups, then mysql ones
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| 08:35 | <ogra> yes, and you want to configure it that it only uses the system groups
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| 08:36 | the ones from /etc/group
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| 08:36 | else you will end up in a mess
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| 08:36 | <vagrantc> lukas2511: so, set up mysql to set the user-specific uid/gid (i.e. lukas2511/lukas2511 ) and pam_group to set the fuse group.
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| 08:37 | <lukas2511> can you tell me how to do this ?
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| 08:37 | <vagrantc> lukas2511: add to /etc/security/group.conf : sshd;*;*;Al0000-2400;fuse
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| 08:38 | <lukas2511> i have this but with more groups like audio video cdrom floppy
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| 08:38 | and fuse ;)
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| 08:38 | <vagrantc> lukas2511: and in /etc/pam.d/sshd, add: auth optional pam_group.so
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| 08:38 | lukas2511: so, first, start out with a local user and local groups for everything.
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| 08:39 | <lukas2511> sshd or ssh ?
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| 08:39 | <vagrantc> lukas2511: i have sshd on lenny.
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| 08:39 | on etch it was ssh
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| 08:39 | * ogra has it too on ubuntu | |
| 08:39 | <lukas2511> ok i have both
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| 08:40 | <coordinador> hi
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| 08:40 | * ogra sighs about mono amd dives back into his cave | |
| 08:40 | <ogra> *and
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| 08:40 | <vagrantc> lukas2511: i would recommend first setting it up without your ldap/mysql backend, just to see if you can get it to work. then later, when you understand how it should work, you can add back in the network stuff and see how it breaks.
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| 08:40 | <lukas2511> vagrantc: is there a cache ? or does this apply directly
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| 08:40 | <vagrantc> lukas2511: you'd have to log out and log back in.
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| 08:41 | <coordinador> i have a doubt... what if im running ltsp4.2 (with people working in clients) and i execute sudo ltsp-build-client (to install ltsp5) ?
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| 08:42 | <lukas2511> i will relogin, bnc stays
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| 08:43 | <vagrantc> coordinador: ltsp-build-client will fail if /opt/ltsp/i386 exists.
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| 08:43 | <coordinador> oh thats right
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| 08:43 | <lukas2511> i love you. i love you.. i love you !!! xD
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| 08:44 | <coordinador> ill mv /opt/ltsp/i386 to /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386
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| 08:44 | <vagrantc> coordinador: so move your /opt/ltsp to /opt/ltsp-4.2 ... yeah!
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| 08:44 | <coordinador> theoretically if i change dhcpd.conf everything will continue work fine
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| 08:44 | *working
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| 08:44 | thats right?
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| 08:45 | <vagrantc> coordinador: you might have to reboot your thin clients, but yes.
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| 08:45 | <coordinador> yes
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| 08:45 | ok, thanks, im a bit scared but ill do anyway
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| 08:46 | <vagrantc> coordinador: you can always move it back.
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| 08:46 | * ogra wonders if the NFS connection of 4.2 will survive that | |
| 08:46 | <coordinador> :O
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| 08:46 | <vagrantc> yes, it'll definitely mess up running thin clients.
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| 08:46 | <ogra> i bet you get ESTALE on all running clients if you mv it while running
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| 08:47 | * ogra hugs nbd :) | |
| 08:47 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 08:47 | <coordinador> oh.. all clients must keep working fine...
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| 08:47 | <vagrantc> coordinador: you'll have to wait till you can shut all the thin clients down.
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| 08:47 | <coordinador> i cannot allow clients fail... do you think is better dont do that?
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| 08:48 | <ogra> you shouldnt do such experiments during work time, really .... would you like to have a heart surgery while being fully awake ?
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| 08:48 | <vagrantc> you could alternately set up ltsp5 in another directory, but it doesn't support that as well as it should.
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| 08:48 | <coordinador> humm
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| 08:49 | do you think that the clients working could stop working if i do that?
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| 08:50 | <vagrantc> coordinador: if you're unsure, don't do it.
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| 08:50 | it definitely could mess something up.
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| 08:50 | <lukas2511> okay.. another question about usb and ltsp ^^ any way to allow the user unmounting/ejecting his usb drive ?
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| 08:51 | <vagrantc> lukas2511: well, both fortunately and unfortunately, it's safe to just pull the device after 3 seconds of inactivity.
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| 08:51 | lukas2511: the mount is just "virtually
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| 08:51 | on the server.
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| 08:51 | <lukas2511> vagrantc: i know that but some teachers and pupils dont like to remove a mounted stick
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| 08:51 | <vagrantc> it automatically unmounts the filesystem when it's inactive
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| 08:52 | <lukas2511> but if there is no other way thex have to accept this
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| 08:52 | <vagrantc> yes.
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| 08:52 | there is currently no known way to do that.
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| 08:52 | <lukas2511> okay thanks many times and bye
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| 08:52 | <coordinador> i think, its possible nothing happen, since the only moment when the clients have access to /opt/ltsp/i386 is when dhcpd send it through the network. Does it have sense?
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| 08:53 | <vagrantc> coordinador: kind of hard to understand what you're saying here...
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| 08:53 | <coordinador> ok, humm..
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| 08:54 | dhcpd tells the clients that download the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory at moment of booting, right?
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| 08:54 | <vagrantc> yes.
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| 08:55 | but if you move /opt/ltsp/i386 while there are booted clients, you will have problems.
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| 08:56 | <coordinador> then... if i do sudo ltsp-build-client , and erase the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory nothing happen since the only moment that clients have access to this directory is while booting, right?
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| 08:56 | <vagrantc> coordinador: no.
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| 08:56 | coordinador: it will break them.
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| 08:56 | <coordinador> :o, teach me please
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| 08:56 | <ogra> there is nothing to teach
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| 08:56 | <vagrantc> coordinador: do not mess with /opt/ltsp/i386 when the clients are running.
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| 08:56 | coordinador: not just booting.
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| 08:56 | <ogra> running 4.2 clients definately use an nfs mount from /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 08:57 | <coordinador> humm, i see
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| 08:57 | <ogra> if you move that away, thats like you would rip out the disk from a workstation while its running
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| 08:57 | <vagrantc> unless you know what you are doing and willing to deal with breaking it.
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| 08:58 | <coordinador> ok, now i understand, i though that the only moment clients need /opt/ltsp/i386 is while booting, now i know that always clients have access to the dir
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| 08:58 | <Gadi> so... you're saying you shouldn't rip out a disk from a workstation while its running.... /me scribbles quickly
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| 08:59 | <ogra> Gadi, really depends on the disk :P
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| 08:59 | <Gadi> :)
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| 08:59 | <coordinador> ok, i understand
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| 08:59 | * Gadi is gonna need more paper | |
| 08:59 | <Gadi> :P
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| 08:59 | <ogra> lol
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| 08:59 | <coordinador> hah
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| 09:00 | <ogra> ltsp5 (in ubuntu) works differently, there it would be possible to move things around ...
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| 09:00 | <coordinador> is there a way to tell ltsp-build-client build it in another dir?
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| 09:00 | <ogra> but ltsp 4 using plain nfs will get you into trouble
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| 09:00 | see the --extra-help option of ltsp-build-client
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| 09:01 | <vagrantc> coordinador: there is still the possibility that it will break something
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| 09:01 | <ogra> right, indeed
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| 09:02 | <coordinador> ok, thanks, i've just notify everybody that i ll reboot the server so everybody is working angry and fast
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| 09:02 | lol
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| 09:02 | bofh
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| 09:02 | <ogra> you really should do your maintenance stuff after work
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| 09:02 | <coordinador> it cannot be possible
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| 09:02 | <vagrantc> coordinador: in that case, i would first switch to /opt/ltsp-4.2, get people working again, and try building ltsp5 ... that should be fairly safe. still possible something could go wrong, but pretty safe.
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| 09:03 | coordinador: after you've shut down all the thin clients, that is.
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| 09:04 | <coordinador> i cannot do maintenance after work since this is a train (yes, a real train www.cybertren.cl ) and after working the train goes , everyday is the same
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> ok, so that's cool - coordinador, are you in chile?
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| 09:05 | <coordinador> yes, im in chile
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| 09:05 | <vagrantc> LTSP on the train? that's my style!
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| 09:06 | <Gadi> we have a reseller in chile
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| 09:06 | * Gadi makes a note to tell him about the cybertren | |
| 09:06 | <coordinador> yes, its pretty cool since the train stops in populations where people havent resources so they can use computers, do homework , etc..
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| 09:06 | <Gadi> erre con erre cigarro, erre con erre barril, rapido corren los carros, los carros del ferrocarril
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| 09:06 | :)
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| 09:06 | <coordinador> :O
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| 09:07 | awesome spanish!
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| 09:07 | * Gadi 's high school spanish teacher would be proud | |
| 09:07 | <Gadi> :)
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| 09:08 | <coordinador> haha
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> do you know that rhyme?
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| 09:08 | or is it a castilliano thing?
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| 09:08 | <coordinador> yes, its a child's rime
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 09:08 | <coordinador> is spanish (castellano) the same
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> glad she didn't make it up
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| 09:09 | <coordinador> "castellano" is because the language comes from a region of Spain named "Castilla" but castellano is the same as spanish
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| 09:10 | what is the name of resellers here?
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| 09:10 | <Gadi> Lintex
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| 09:10 | heard of them?
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| 09:11 | <coordinador> never, ill find info about Lintex
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| 09:11 | have you ever heard about BlueCompany?
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| 09:11 | <Gadi> http://www.lintex.cl/
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| 09:12 | no - havent heard
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| 09:16 | <coordinador> Like 4 years ago, Blue company implemented this lab, including server, boxes, and ltsp4.2, but they left the project and now im in charge. Im not from any company, but a linux users group in my university
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| 09:16 | damn bluecompany since they implemented the lab with eboxII (that now is my pain)
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| 09:17 | <Gadi> and the folks from the train let a guy from the local LUG do the installation of their system?
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| 09:17 | what a country!
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| 09:17 | <coordinador> yes, since im the best
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| 09:17 | haha
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| 09:17 | <Gadi> :)
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| 09:17 | no doubt
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| 09:23 | <coordinador> we are known here, since we do a lot of activities related to free software, we are in charge of Flisol (latin american free software install fest) everyyear. Flisol is the world's biggest install fest. Im sorry, the website is in spanish only http://flisol.info/
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| 09:24 | but as your spanish is so good, you could understand it
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> Bom Gia, #ltsp
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| 09:30 | CAN-o-SPAM: Ping
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| 09:33 | <coordinador> ok, all users go away
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| 09:34 | ill proceed to execute ltsp build
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| 09:36 | ill be back
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| 09:36 | <Gadi> out with the spanish, in with the portuguese
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| 09:36 | :)
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| 09:36 | !s
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| 09:36 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:37 | <sbalneav> Hey Gadi
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| 09:38 | Just sitting here in the speakers lounge, starting to work on Friday's presentation
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| 09:38 | <Gadi> sbalneav: man, they have u working?
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| 09:38 | :)
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| 09:38 | <sbalneav> Yes
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| 09:38 | <Gadi> just do the happy packet dance
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> Hey, I'm also working on the docs, getting them up-to-date
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| 09:39 | <Gadi> in fact, get up and say "And now, without further ado, the Happy Packet Dance...."
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> id the ltsp-paramters.txt file in ltsp-trunk up-to-date?
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| 09:39 | including the xrandr stuff you did?
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| 09:39 | <Gadi> accurate, yes. complete, prolly not
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 09:40 | I'll look through the source code, try to complete it.
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| 09:40 | <Gadi> you should prolly add XRANDR_DISABLE if it isn't there
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| 09:40 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 09:40 | <Gadi> thats useful for allowing X_MODE_0 to work in the traditional way
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| 09:40 | for non-xrandr drivers
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| 09:41 | <sbalneav> Noted
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| 09:42 | <coordinador> ok, i've just erased /opt/ltsp/ dir
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| 09:42 | and now im executing "sudo ltsp-build-client" , nothing bad happened by now
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| 09:45 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav: pong
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| 09:45 | <sbalneav> CAN-o-SPAM: So, I'm going to be doing the ltsp presentation
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| 09:45 | Do you have eithe:
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| 09:46 | 1) an OpenOffice impress background or,
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| 09:46 | 2) a pointer to the new logo (high quality)
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| 09:47 | <CAN-o-SPAM> 3) where do u want me to e-mail?
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| 09:47 | <sbalneav> sbalneav@alburg.net is fine
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| 09:48 | * coordinador is crossing all fingers | |
| 09:50 | <coordinador> OH CRAP!
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| 09:50 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav: check e-mail, sent you a couple different things, if u need something else let me know
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| 09:50 | <coordinador> What does it mean?? : Configuring x11-common (1:7.4~5ubuntu18) ...
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| 09:50 | debconf: cannot intialize interface: Passthrough
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| 09:50 | debconf: (Failed to open fd 3: Bad file descriptor at (eval 22) line 3)
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| 09:51 | that happened while executing "sudo ltsp-build-client"
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| 09:52 | <sbalneav> CAN-o-SPAM: Thanks, checking
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| 09:52 | <vagrantc> coordinador: did it stop running? if so, it's probably fine.
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| 09:52 | <coordinador> although, everything seems continuing fine
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| 09:52 | <vagrantc> coordinador: i mean, if it didn't stop, it's probably not a problem.
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| 09:52 | <coordinador> nice! The installing of LTSP completed successfully :D
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| 09:52 | now, ill reboot a client, :S
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| 09:53 | but before.. ill restart the dhcpd
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| 09:53 | done, trying to reboot a client...
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| 09:54 | :o it works XD
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| 09:54 | <sbalneav> CAN-o-SPAM: Perfect, thanks.
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| 09:54 | <coordinador> oh god! it doesnt work!
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| 09:54 | <vagrantc> coordinador: when you said you erased /opt/ltsp ... you mean you moved it somewhere else, right?
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| 09:54 | <coordinador> yes
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| 09:54 | to ltsp-4.2
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| 09:54 | <vagrantc> that made me worried :P
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| 09:54 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav: no problem, any chance ur presentation is being taped?
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| 09:54 | <sbalneav> I'll make up a master slide. When I get it done, I'll send you a copy
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| 09:55 | CAN-o-SPAM: I can see if I can get someone to film it.
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| 09:55 | <vagrantc> coordinador: what i would do, is configure dhcp to point to the /opt/ltsp-4.2 stuff, so that people can start using it again.
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| 09:55 | <CAN-o-SPAM> i think that would be cool! i'm sure all would appreciate it
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| 09:55 | <coordinador> i had an issue in etc exports, ill check if now reboot ok
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| 09:55 | <CAN-o-SPAM> just try not to say "eh" too much ;)
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| 09:55 | <sbalneav> I'll try
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| 09:55 | :)
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| 09:56 | <coordinador> haha
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| 09:56 | <coordinador> i edited /etc/exports , how changes can take effect?
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| 09:57 | in clients i got " /opt/ltsp/i386" permission denied
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| 09:57 | i mean /opt/ltsp4.2/i386
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| 09:58 | and the dir exists
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| 09:59 | what the...
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| 10:00 | is working!
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| 10:00 | i just restarted /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server
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| 10:00 | now ill reboot server
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| 10:01 | just in case
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| 10:01 | ill be back
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| 10:05 | <coordinador> everything works fine :)
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| 10:06 | now i just have to configure dhcp, so only some machines will boot with ltsp5 :)
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| 10:08 | * vagrantc forgets what ltsp 4.2 has in /var/lib/tftpboot | |
| 10:09 | <sbalneav> CAN-o-SPAM: You wouldn't happen to have an SVG of just the logo, would you?
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| 10:12 | * ogra dips sbalneav in caipirinha | |
| 10:13 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 10:13 | The logo's a jpg, which means if I scale it up, it gets the jaggies.
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| 10:14 | Having an svg would solve that
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| 10:41 | <coordinador> wohoo!! i have both systems 4.2 and 5 working at the same time , in selected machines :)
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| 10:41 | * ogra applauds | |
| 10:42 | <coordinador> thanks to all who helped me
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| 10:43 | unfortunately i dont remember the steps to do it with ltsp4.2 installed before ltsp5, but is pretty similar
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| 10:55 | <warren> why did nobody mention the disable nagle thing?
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| 10:56 | <ogra> whats nagle ?
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| 10:58 | as in http://rfc.net/rfc896.html ?
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| 10:59 | <warren> https://bugs.launchpad.net/libxcb/+bug/277069
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| 11:01 | <ogra> the fix went upstream a while ago
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| 11:01 | at least to my knowledge
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| 11:01 | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17868
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| 11:02 | and on a sidenote it was filed in fedora as well ... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=442158
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| 11:03 | <warren> the suggestion there was "don't ship xcb"
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| 11:03 | <ogra> where ?
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| 11:04 | <warren> in the fedora bug
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| 11:04 | that suggestion was likely why it was ignored for so long
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| 11:04 | <ogra> ouch
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| 11:05 | well, the bug was heavily discussed on ltsp-discuss for months and months
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| 11:05 | stgraber sent a fix a while ago but i dont think that was disabling nagle
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| 11:06 | <warren> I guess we've been suffering from this for a long time.
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| 11:07 | <ogra> yep
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| 11:07 | filed in LP on 2008-10-02
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| 11:07 | <ogra> and i think i have heard the symptoms a release before
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| 11:09 | <coordinador> damn.. somebody already translated the manual into spanish.. a lot of time wasted :/
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| 11:09 | since i was doing the same :/
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| 11:09 | <ogra> coordinador, coordinate with him ;)
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| 11:10 | since you are the coordinador ;)
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| 11:10 | sbalneav is surely happy to get a spanish update
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| 11:10 | <coordinador> haha, ok is my speciality
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| 11:11 | <coordinador> the LtspDocumentationUpstream is translated totally
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| 11:12 | ill talk with the person who did that, so both will translate everything else
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| 11:12 | <ogra> but sbalneav is just updating it
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| 11:13 | <alkisg> Is anyone interested in helping to make a wubi variant that just installs gPXE? It would be handy for transforming non-PXE-capable windows PCs to dual-boot LTSP clients...
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| 11:14 | <coordinador> nowhere appears the name of the person who translated it, how can i contact with him?
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| 11:22 | i cannot get changes in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf take effect
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| 11:25 | <Mip5> Gadi - you out there?
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| 11:26 | <Tony_Touch> hello all
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| 11:26 | <Mip5> I'm trying to get my jaunty box to join my os x ldap server (leopard - 10.5). I'm running wireshark, analyzing the packets, and see some stuff that looks like it might be informative.
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| 11:28 | I have set my box up using the how to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OSXLDAPClientAuthentication and am testing it with getent passwd. When it works properly, this should show the list of accounts on my local box and the list of accounts on the ldap server. I'm only seeing local.
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| 11:28 | <Tony_Touch> i was wondering if anyone has any experience with trying to run any sort of 3D, CAD, or modeling software on a ltsp thin client using either AMD Geode, Intel Atom, or any of the VIA chipsets covered by the openchrome driver?
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| 11:29 | <Tony_Touch> Mip5 if you're only seeing local accounts your clients aren't authenticating to the ldap server
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| 11:29 | <Mip5> When I look at wireshark, I see a "noSuchObject" - I also see that the search (according to wireshark) seems to be missing my first dc.
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| 11:29 | Thanks Tony_Touch
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| 11:30 | <Tony_Touch> "getent username" should be enough to see whether it's working or not
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| 11:30 | <Mip5> Yeah - I can see that they are not working - I'm trying to figure out *why* - and am using wireshark to analyze the packets.
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| 11:30 | <Tony_Touch> or is "getent passwd username"
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| 11:31 | <Mip5> getent passwd is a good test
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| 11:31 | <Tony_Touch> well either way, the point is, you're going to have to do some troubleshooting
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| 11:31 | <Mip5> right - I'm looking at the packets, and am seeing noSuchObject as the response from my ldap server
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| 11:32 | <Tony_Touch> make sure that your the firewall on your LDAP machine is open to port 53 traffic
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| 11:32 | <Mip5> Have you bound clients to an ldap server? Any special caveats I'm missing?
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| 11:32 | it's actually port 389
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| 11:34 | I recently edited my ldap.conf file and altered the search base, but I'm wondering whether that newly added info is getting used. It looks (to me) like it's not. Is the first element in a search base omitted in a request?
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| 11:34 | <Tony_Touch> you're right i was thinking of dns
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| 11:35 | <Gadi> Mip5: have you tested with ldapsearch?
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| 11:35 | <Tony_Touch> if i remember correctly ubuntu using a ldap.conf file that's in the /etc directory
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| 11:35 | whereas debian uses one in /etc/ldap
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| 11:35 | or something to that extent
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| 11:35 | <Mip5> Gadi - yes, and it works
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| 11:36 | <Gadi> with what arguments?
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| 11:36 | <Mip5> just the command ldapsearch
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| 11:36 | and then it asks for the password of the directory admin - I give it, and it reports lots of info
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| 11:37 | when I try to su to an account that's on the ldap server, it doesn't work: Unknown id: marc
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| 11:38 | <Tony_Touch> sounds like an issue with your ldap client setup
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| 11:42 | did you remember to edit /etc/nsswitch.conf ?
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| 11:42 | and all those other files under /etc/pam.d ?
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| 11:43 | <Mip5> yes - I followed the howto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OSXLDAPClientAuthentication
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| 11:44 | <Tony_Touch> yeah that looks about right
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| 11:50 | <Gadi> Mip5: if you just run ldapsearch with no arguments, it asks for *your* password
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| 11:50 | and will retrieve info based on your creds
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| 11:51 | i think
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| 11:51 | though, actually, scratch that
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| 11:51 | <Mip5> Gadi - interesting. Well, I tried those - but 1) my account doesn't currently have admin creds, and 2) I never specified a username, but the only match I got was with the ldap admin account.
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| 11:51 | <Gadi> it'll use the admin user from ldap.conf
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| 11:51 | look at your /etc/ldap.conf
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| 11:52 | <Mip5> now where is that anyway? I have edited my file - let me take a look - I don't know if it's in there.
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| 11:54 | The only lines that are in there specify: BASE, URI, and a line about not having the local root not be locked in pam_filter !(uid=root)
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| 11:55 | <Gadi> do you have an /etc/ldap.secret file?
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| 11:55 | <Mip5> my base is dc=host,dc=domain,dc=k12,dc=co,dc=us
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| 11:56 | <Gadi> try this (as root): echo "secretpassword" > /etc/ldap.secret ; chmod 600 /etc/ldap.secret
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| 11:56 | where "secretpassword" is your admin password
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| 11:56 | for ldap
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| 11:57 | <Mip5> okay - hold on
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| 11:59 | <Mip5> Gadi - I created the ldap.secret file inside /etc (but not inside /etc/ldap/), and it didn't seem to fix it. Let me take a look at packet capture and see what it says
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| 12:01 | I'm still getting noSuchObject - interestingly (to me at least) the search base starts at my domain - it doesn't have the hostname. That said, it's finding the host, and the host is answering
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| 12:02 | * alkisg filed a question about adding gPXE support in wubi here: https://answers.launchpad.net/wubi/+question/75198 | |
| 12:07 | <Gadi> Mip5: do you get anything with: ldapsearch -b "ou=Users,dc=host,dc=domain,dc=k12,dc=co,dc=us"
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| 12:11 | <Mip5> Gadi - first off, I see that I had an ldap.conf inside /etc/, but I was editing the one in /etc/ldap - my guess is that I should only have one (or at least that the one in /etc/ takes precedence
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| 12:12 | <vagrantc> alkisg: what's wubi?
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| 12:12 | <Mip5> When I altered the search base in that one to include the dc=host,dc=domain.... getent passwd actually worked, and returned a bunch of account data from the ldap server
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| 12:12 | <vagrantc> nevermind
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| 12:12 | <alkisg> vagrantc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_(Ubuntu)
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| 12:13 | <Gadi> Mip5: I *believe* /etc/ldap/ldap.conf is what is used by ldapsearch, while /etc/ldap.conf is used by the pam module
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| 12:13 | but that may be wrong
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| 12:13 | <alkisg> It's a windows program, as of late supported by canonical, that installs ubuntu in a loop back file in a windows partition. It uses grub4dos, so it could easily install gpxe to make non-pxe-capable windows clients boot from network...
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| 12:13 | <Gadi> my /etc/ldap/ldap.conf is very sparse
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| 12:13 | just has the BASE definition
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| 12:14 | while my /etc/ldap.conf has more
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| 12:14 | <alkisg> vagrantc: so, as a windows program that only installs gpxe, it would be distro agnostic
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| 12:14 | <Mip5> yeah, so is mine - though I have a bit more than that in mine (3 lines)
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> I think between /etc/ldap.conf, /etc/ldap.secret, and /etc/nsswitch.conf you should be able to authenticate properly
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| 12:15 | <Mip5> Ok - so I guess I need both
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> fyi: my /etc/ldap.conf has: base, uri, ldap_version, rootbinddn, bind_policy, pam_password, and nss_initgroups_ignoreusers
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| 12:16 | everything else is commented out
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| 12:31 | <Mip5> Gadi - fwiw, I'm getting an invalid credentials when I run the ldapsearch you suggested. Which credentials should I be using?
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| 12:32 | <Gadi> Mip5: try adding: -D "CN=Administrator,CN=Users,DC=winlab,DC=bog,DC=novell,DC=com"
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| 12:33 | or the equivalent for you ou
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| 12:33 | *your
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| 12:33 | domain
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| 12:33 | <vagrantc> alkisg: couldn't you just use the grubutil-win32 from debian/ubuntu?
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| 12:34 | <alkisg> vagrantc: is that a one-click install?
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i have no idea.
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| 12:34 | i mean, all you need is an image that boots gpxe...
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| 12:34 | <alkisg> vagrantc: the problem is installing the boot managerr
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| 12:35 | For now, I use this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/grubgpxe#Boot%20from%20a%20Windows%2095/98/Me%20partition
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| 12:35 | <vagrantc> alkisg: can't you get a dos executable format that windows bootloaders can load?
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| 12:35 | <alkisg> Nope
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| 12:35 | That's where grub4dos comes in, but it doesn't have an installer
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| 12:35 | <Mip5> Gadi - here's the response to that command: ldap_bind: Server is unwilling to perform (53) additional info: unauthenticated bind (DN with no password) disallowed
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| 12:36 | <Gadi> try adding a: -W
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| 12:36 | <cliebow> a big W...i loved that movie
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| 12:38 | <Mip5> I'm getting an invalid syntax, where should I specify the W (I tried -DW, and -D -W)
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| 12:39 | <cliebow> Mip5, post it again?
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| 12:39 | <Mip5> replacing the D with the W worked
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| 12:39 | <cliebow> scratch that
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| 12:39 | <Mip5> clear
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| 12:40 | whoops - wrong application - sorry
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| 12:40 | * vagrantc wonders what the difference with gpxelinux.0 and pxelinux.0 is | |
| 12:41 | <cliebow> where is Martry connor when you need him
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| 12:41 | <bieb> hey cliebow
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> vagrantc: gpxelinux.0 assumes that the gpxe stack is present, so it can handle more protocols
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| 12:42 | (afaik)
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 12:42 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I think that could also help instead of wubi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Win32-loader_(Debian)
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| 12:42 | * alkisg is reading... | |
| 12:42 | <cliebow> bieb, 8~)
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| 12:43 | <bieb> cliebow: hows everything going ?
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| 12:43 | <Mip5> Boy am I dumb! - okay - it seems like running a command (gentent passwd) from a non-root user works, but not from a root terminal. Well that makes sense given that I have a pam_filter !(uid=root)
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| 12:45 | Okay - making headway (getent passwd works when run from a non-root terminal). su to a user known on the ldap server (but not on my local machine) still fails: Unknown id: marc
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| 12:46 | <cliebow> crazed...consolidating three school districts into one office
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| 12:46 | <bieb> wow
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| 12:46 | <Gadi> Mip5: can you: ssh marc@localhost
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| 12:47 | <bieb> cliebow: I have a couple questions about using 64bit Ubuntu with LTSP... 1 are there any issues you know of running ltsp on 64bit Ubuntu?
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| 12:48 | cliebow: is it better to run it on 64bit to allow for massive amounts of RAM?
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| 12:48 | <Mip5> Gadi - no - it tries, but fails to authenticate. However those same credentials allow me to ssh into our ldap server
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| 12:49 | <Gadi> hmm... so getent passwd worked
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| 12:49 | <Gadi> what do you get from:
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| 12:49 | getent passwd marc
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| 12:50 | oh, and do the passwords need to be set to md5, perchance?
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| 12:50 | pam_password md5
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| 12:50 | in /etc/ldap.conf
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| 12:51 | <Mip5> marc:x:1047:20:name: my homedirectory, and my shell
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| 12:51 | <cliebow> bieb:i cant help you there..but ogra knows all..
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| 12:51 | <Mip5> let me look at that brb
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| 12:51 | <bieb> where is that ogra? :D
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| 12:52 | <cliebow> busy i am sure...
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| 12:52 | <bieb> cliebow: although I have not completed all my testing.. my boss has approved the purchase of my LTSP server.. AND for me to attend BTS
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| 12:52 | woot woot
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| 12:53 | <cliebow> Awesome!!
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| 12:53 | <bieb> yeah
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| 12:54 | thats why I am trying to figure out if the 64bit is a better way to go
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| 12:54 | <Mip5> Gadi - I do have pam_password md5
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| 12:55 | <Gadi> Mip5: have a look at /var/log/auth.log
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| 12:56 | <Mip5> bieb - we've rolled out an ltsp server for about a dozen users, and are now rolling it out for another school (24 seats), and possibly another (30 seats). It's been very fun!
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| 12:56 | <bieb> Mip5: using 32 or 64 bit?
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| 12:57 | <Mip5> bieb - 32 bit, but with the PAE kernel so that we can run 8 gbs of ram
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| 12:57 | <bieb> what is the PAE kernel?
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| 12:58 | <Mip5> Gadi - here's the relevant entries in /var/log/auth Jun 24 11:47:27 jaunty-union-5714 sshd[13577]: Failed password for invalid user marc from ::1 port 52791 ssh2
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| 12:58 | Jun 24 11:47:27 jaunty-union-5714 sshd[13577]: PAM 2 more authentication failures; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=localhost
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| 12:59 | bieb - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension -
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| 13:00 | <bieb> thanks
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| 13:00 | <Mip5> I had ordered more ram for my servers, and then found the mobo could see it but not the kernel. I asked for help here, and was referred to PAE enabled kernel.
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| 13:00 | <bieb> which flavor linux are you using?
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| 13:02 | <Mip5> ubuntu - 9.04
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| 13:02 | !pastbot
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| 13:02 | <ltspbot> Mip5: Error: "pastbot" is not a valid command.
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| 13:02 | <bieb> cool
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| 13:02 | <Mip5> !pastebot
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| 13:02 | <ltspbot> Mip5: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 13:02 | <ltsppbot> "Mip5" pasted "how to install PAE enabled kernel" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/385
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| 13:03 | <Mip5> bieb - I pasted my notes on how to install the PAE enabled kernel. Check the link above
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| 13:03 | <bieb> got it .. thanks alot
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| 13:03 | * vagrantc hugs ltspbot | |
| 13:04 | <bieb> Mip5: how much memory is usable with PAE?
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| 13:05 | <Mip5> Yeah - I remember my first days here, I pasted several lines from a log, and have people "dust off" - pretty funny
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| 13:05 | bieb - I don't know how much memory is available, but it's a lot
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| 13:05 | <bieb> ok.. I know my Mobo supports 16gb
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| 13:06 | <Mip5> I bet it would be fine - so you can't go with 64 bit?
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| 13:06 | <bieb> I can go with 64 bit.. I was just curious if there were any issues with it.. and what other pros/cons there might be
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| 13:07 | * Lns would like any kind of status update on using 64-bit server w/32-bit clients as well...last time i tried was a few years ago, and it didn't work so well | |
| 13:07 | <Gadi> worked fine for me
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| 13:07 | :)
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| 13:08 | <Lns> Gadi: that's what's in vallejo?
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> yup
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| 13:08 | just need to be aware that the install cd makes a 64-bit chroot
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| 13:08 | <Lns> wow, 64-bit jaunty =) that's what i'm running at home actually
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> :P
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| 13:08 | <Lns> Gadi: the alternate install cd?? haha
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> you need to build the chroot again
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| 13:08 | for 32-bit
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| 13:08 | <Lns> who uses 64-bit clients anyway?
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 13:09 | i found no 64-bit related issues
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| 13:09 | other than installing flash plugin from a howto
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| 13:09 | :)
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| 13:10 | <Lns> Gadi: cool. Last time I tried, i remember 1) flash issues (which i'm sure are fixed now) and a firefox printing library issue
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> hmm - didnt test printing from firefox
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| 13:10 | <Lns> Gadi: you have remote to the school?
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 13:11 | <Lns> i'm pretty sure it was an issue printing FROM a thin client, not from the server
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| 13:13 | <Mip5> Gadi - when I try to su marc, I get "unknown credentials" from wireshark, but the search base seems a bit whacked. It inserts the admin accout, *skips* the host, but then continues with the rest of the domain
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| 13:15 | It never asks for the passwd when I try to su to user marc, but just returns Unknown id
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| 13:15 | <Gadi> Mip5: if you want to paste ur /etc/ldap.conf, I can have a look
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| 13:16 | otherwise, just try to check all references to base and rootbinddn
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| 13:22 | <Mip5> !pastebot
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| 13:22 | <ltspbot> Mip5: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 13:25 | <ltsppbot> "Mip5" pasted "ldap.conf.paste" (302 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/386
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| 13:33 | <Gadi> Mip5: are you sure the rootbinddn shouldn't have the dc=brhsx?
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| 13:33 | <Mip5> Gadi - no, I'm not sure about any of this ! ;-) brhsx is the server in this building
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> well, whats the DN for the users?
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| 13:34 | perhaps, your base should NOT have dc=brhsx
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| 13:37 | <Mip5> Well, according to the ldap server tools available on os X, the search base is: dc=brhsx,dc=rfsd,dc=k12,dc=co,dc=us
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| 13:38 | Gadi - I see what you're saying - I think you're right. That rootbinddn *should* have dc=brhsx in it (I think). Let me change that... brb
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| 13:41 | Gadi - well, I still can't su marc. getent passwd still works though.
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| 13:43 | When I tail -f /var/log/auth.log and run su marc, I get "nss_ldap: failed to bind to LDAP server ldap://address:389: Invalid credentials
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| 13:47 | <Mip5> su marc fails after entering the password, and the auth.log shows:
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| 13:48 | <Mip5> Jun 24 12:46:35 jaunty-union-5714 sshd[14042]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): check pass; user unknown
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| 13:48 | Jun 24 12:46:38 jaunty-union-5714 sshd[14042]: Failed password for invalid user marc from ::1 port 53946 ssh2
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| 13:48 | <Ahmuck> any chance in turning a 150mhz, 32mb ram pc into a thin client?
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| 13:51 | <Mip5> Ahmuck - kind of depends on how much you like the user who would be using that box ;-)
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| 13:59 | <Gadi> Mip5: try making your uri: ldap://10.105.0.23/
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| 14:00 | <Mip5> get rid of the port number?
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 14:00 | 389 should be default anyway
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| 14:00 | <Mip5> okay
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| 14:01 | <Gadi> and mine has a trailing slash
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| 14:02 | <Mip5> still not allowing su marc, or ssh marc@localhost
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| 14:12 | Gadi - (re)looking at the documentation, the post mentions that the base should have cn=users, prepended to the search base of dc=host,dc=domain. I tried it, but it didnt' work. Perhaps that change is necessary but not sufficient. If so, where else should i try it? - everywhere the base is specified?
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| 14:26 | Gadi - a little more news - I try to ssh localaccount@localhost, and I get a failure in the auth.log (for ldap), but then it fails over and allows the login.
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| 14:27 | <Gadi> (sorry - on conf call - bbiab)
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| 14:28 | <Mip5> Gadi - no problem - I figured you had work to do ! ;-)
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| 14:29 | Did you see my post about prepending a cn=users entry to my base in ldap.conf?
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| 14:40 | Gadi - I've got cruise for the day. Thanks a lot for your help. I'll check back later when I know more, or have more time to work on it.
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| 14:46 | <jammcq> boa tarde #ltsp friends
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| 14:49 | Lumiere is now known as Lumiere|USA1|ESP | |
| 14:49 | Lumiere|USA1|ESP is now known as Lumi|USA1|ESP0 | |
| 14:50 | <Lns> hey jammcq
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> Is there any easy way to autodetect i386 vs amd64 clients, and direct them to use a different chroot for each architecture?
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| 15:54 | <Gadi> alkisg: send a different VCI from ipconfig, and sort from that
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| 15:54 | * Gadi has been advocating that we do that for years | |
| 15:54 | <Gadi> just haven't scripted it
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| 15:55 | :P
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| 15:55 | * Gadi 's proposal was: LTSP-$arch | |
| 15:55 | <sbalneav> ls
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| 15:55 | <Gadi> .
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| 15:55 | ..
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| 15:56 | coming up empty
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| 15:56 | <sbalneav> hurumph
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| 15:56 | Wireless is spotty
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| 16:48 | <coordinador> hi
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| 16:48 | i want to continue translating ltsp5 manual into spanish, but i dont know how to contact with the translator
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| 16:49 | in the ltsp website there is a manual translated into spanish but it has some unfinished or erroneus sentences
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| 17:10 | <cliebow> sbalneav: in Brazil/
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| 18:19 | <coordinador> hi
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| 22:29 | <Ahmuck> the clients are controlling the sound on the server
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| 23:17 | <stevenjd13> hi just a question, I live in Hong Kong. I see the instructions that change the whole system to another language. What I what to know is can each user change their language?. If so how?
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| 23:18 | I am using k12ltsp
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| 23:23 | <Ahmuck> ltsp ?
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| 23:23 | <stevenjd13> K12ltsp fedoras version
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| 23:24 | <Ryan52> really, really, really old.
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| 23:24 | unless you mean k12linux.
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| 23:25 | <stevenjd13> yes sorry getting myself confused, doing a lot of investigating
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| 23:26 | <Ryan52> oh, I should probably answer your question, huh? :P
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| 23:26 | stevenjd13: users can select languages on login.
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| 23:26 | stevenjd13: if you have a new enough version of ldm, it will save that as the default for that user.
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| 23:27 | stevenjd13: they just need to click on preferences and then something else (presumably languages?)
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| 23:27 | * Ryan52 doesn't have an ltsp terminal in front of him | |
| 23:29 | <stevenjd13> really? That's what I would of thought. When I used it it could not be seen (the language selection). That was with F10 version. may be I will try the F11 beta.
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| 23:32 | <Ryan52> there's always been a language selection...
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| 23:32 | it just hasn't always saved as default, tho I think F10 does that.
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