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Channel log from 20 June 2017 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:36 | <MeLLy> Hey all! Seeing if someone here can help me. We are running Debian 8 on ltsp 5. We are runng into an issue with a HP monitor that has a native resolution of 1600x900. I set X_MODE_0=1600x900 in lts.conf but it doesn't seem to take. Can someone point me in the right direction?
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| 01:38 | It keeps wanting to default 1024x768. There isn't any settings in the monitor we can change.
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| 06:55 | <Eric3> Hi
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| 06:55 | I'm a little bit confused about ltsp pnp.
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| 06:57 | I want to use Debian but i don't understand if i have to use ppa repo or debian repo. In most docs they say to install ltsp-server.
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| 06:57 | How can i know which version is pnp ?
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| 07:09 | <alkisg> !ltsp-pnp | echo Eric3:
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| 07:09 | <ltsp`> Eric3: ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 07:28 | <Eric3> I begin to understand :-)
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| 07:47 | <alkisg> !client-list
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| 07:47 | <ltsp`> client-list: to get a list of all nbd-clients (which sometimes is the same as ltsp clients), run: netstat -tn | sed -n 's/.*:10809 *\([0-9.]*\):.*/\1/p' | sort -Vu
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| 08:12 | <bcg_> alkisg: I think it would be better to have packaging/{Redhat,Debian,...} subdirs in ltsp-repo, not separate packaging-{Redhat,..} repos. What do you think? It would keep packaging and code modifications in sync.
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| 08:13 | <alkisg> bcg_: we'll need to talk this out along with vagrantc. Personally I believe all packaging belongs inside the project, as long as the packagers are also project maintainers. He believes that packaging is best maintained outside of upstream projects
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| 08:13 | So, I would put the packaging directly in the ltsp tree, you'd put all packaging in an ltsp-packaging tree, while vagrantc would put it in ltsp-debian-packaging and maintain it *outside launchpad* :)
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| 08:14 | The launchpad tree is just a mirror
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| 08:15 | bcg_: when building a redhat package, are you supposed to have a redhat/ dir with build instructions? Is it called redhat?
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| 08:16 | In Debian, it must be called "debian", otherwise the package can't be built.
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| 08:16 | <bcg_> I prefer packaging inside ltsp tree too. We could have it there while vagrantc is free to have it elsewhere.
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| 08:18 | <alkisg> Vagrantc maintains debian packaging. Ubuntu gets its packaging from debian. So when I push some packaging changes, I need to make sure they go to vagrantc's tree, otherwise they'll never reach Ubuntu
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| 08:19 | I could fork the packaging, but we spend months to merge it so that there's no .diff between debian/ubuntu, and it would be bad to divert again
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| 08:19 | <bcg_> For rpm there are two choices: 1) ltsp.spec in top directory 2) separate directory with ltsp.spec + README how to build it.
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| 08:19 | <alkisg> I couldn't convince him to have a global packaging tree where I could commit changes, and that he would fork that tree for each debian release...
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| 08:20 | So we can just use (2) and name the directory "redhat"? Sounds fine...
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| 08:21 | <bcg_> Yeah, 2 is fine and quite common way. It could be called packaging/redhat or docs/redhat or ...
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| 08:23 | <alkisg> A top level /redhat dir would be fine for me, as /debian needs to be toplevel too
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| 08:26 | <bcg_> Top level /Redhat (uppercase, to match other Redhat dirs?) is fine too. Maybe you can have a chat with vagrantc before I commit it in?
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| 08:26 | <alkisg> I will need you to help convincing him :)
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| 08:27 | I can't convince him alone, he's very accustomed to how he's been doing things all those years of maintaining debian packages, that he can't follow another way that would be more upstream-friendly
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| 08:27 | But if there are 2 against him, I hope he'll rethink about it
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| 08:28 | <bcg_> My summer holiday is starting next week so I won't be around here for 2-4 weeks.
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| 08:28 | <alkisg> OK, we can do it after that
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| 08:29 | <bcg_> But you got my vote for having /Redhat or /*/Redhat.
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> /debian uses lowercase
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| 08:31 | But whatever is normally used for redhat, would be fine
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| 08:31 | <bcg_> I know, I did some debian packaging too a long time ago.
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| 08:31 | ltsp has server/Redhat etc, so having /Redhat would match that.
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| 08:33 | <alkisg> Those are for ltsp-build-client plugins; we'll probably throw away ltsp-build-client completely in the future...
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| 08:33 | So those dirs will go too
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| 08:44 | <alkisg> !cheap-client
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| 08:44 | <ltsp`> cheap-client: (#1) http://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_343636.html, or (#2) https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/New-arrival-Beelink-Pocket-Z83-Windows-10-Mini-PC-Z8300-64bit-1-84GHz-2GB-RAM-32GB/1871240_32640039781.html
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| 09:01 | <gudbes_> hello everybody I installed again ltsp on a new vm and i have a problem ... the login page of the thin client appears but i write my login and pwd. after validation the screen is black
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| 09:01 | <alkisg> Did the old vm installation work?
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| 09:02 | <gudbes_> i formated the old install :/
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| 09:03 | i wanted to do the new install by myself
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| 09:03 | <alkisg> Cool; keeping documentation helps ;)
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| 09:04 | <gudbes_> i follow your instruction of your tuto ... but i have this bug :'(
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| 09:05 | <alkisg> My instructions are for ubuntu; you're using debian...
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| 09:05 | That's why you need different documentation there
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| 09:06 | <gudbes_> yes but the next week after your intervention, it's working
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| 09:06 | <alkisg> Yes, because I didn't follow my documentation
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| 09:06 | I used the commands that are needed in debian
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| 09:07 | <gudbes_> the last week, the problem was the bridge mod of my vm only
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| 09:07 | no?
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| 09:08 | <alkisg> I don't remember...
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| 09:08 | I'm helping 10 schools per day, I can't remember the details for all of them :)
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| 09:08 | <gudbes_> the pxe boot (image) is ok the login it's ok but after the screen become black :'(
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| 09:09 | 10 schools o_0
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| 09:13 | how i can know if my image boot is without errors ?
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| 09:16 | <alkisg> !screen_02
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| 09:16 | <ltsp`> screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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| 09:16 | <alkisg> !screen_08
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| 09:16 | <ltsp`> Error: "screen_08" is not a valid command.
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| 09:16 | <alkisg> !SCREEN_08
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| 09:16 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'SCREEN_08', but I do know about these similar topics: 'SCREEN_02'
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| 09:16 | <alkisg> !SCREEN_02
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| 09:16 | <ltsp`> SCREEN_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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| 09:16 | <alkisg> Eh,ok
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| 09:16 | Anyway, get a root shell on the client, and try `ssh user@server`
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| 09:16 | If you can login with ssh from the client to the server, it's a good start
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| 09:18 | <gudbes_> ok thx i try it
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| 09:32 | <gudbes_> alkisg: it's ok i forgot the home directory in my adduser :/
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| 09:32 | <alkisg> Nice
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| 09:32 | <al-geo> guys teach me how to ltsp-built-client debian clients on ubuntu server?
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| 09:35 | <gudbes_> alkisg: if a xfce them exist
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| 09:35 | ?
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| 09:38 | <alkisg> gudbes_: I don't understand the question
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| 09:39 | <gudbes_> i use the gnome interface .... i want use a xfce for my thin client
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| 09:39 | i must install on my server ?
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| 09:39 | for use on my thin client
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| 09:41 | <alkisg> If you want to use xfce, you need to install it on the server, yes
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| 09:42 | <gudbes_> ok i must create an new image ?
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| 09:42 | <alkisg> If it's a fat client, yes
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| 09:42 | If it's thin, no
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| 09:43 | <gudbes_> the command "ltsp-update-image --cleanup /" is for a fat client ?
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| 09:43 | <alkisg> It's for both
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| 09:43 | How much ram does your client have?
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| 09:43 | <gudbes_> 4go
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| 09:43 | <alkisg> Then it's fat
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| 09:44 | <gudbes_> my client have no hdd
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| 09:45 | <alkisg> Yes, that's how ltsp fat clients work
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| 09:45 | You need to run ltsp-update-image again
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| 09:46 | <gudbes_> ok thx
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| 09:47 | <al-geo> alkisg hello friend is there any way to build debian fat client on ubuntu server?
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> al-geo: yes. But if you don't know how, just build it on a debian server and transfer it to the ubuntu server with copy.
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| 10:12 | <al-geo> alkisg please give me the link of the other way
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| 10:49 | <eu^774926216dsld> alkisg: καλησπερα ειστε εδω μια γρηγορη ερωτηση
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| 10:51 | one question for multiseat?
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| 10:51 | ubuntu mate LTSP 16.04 multiseat
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| 10:52 | alexxtasi[m]: καλησπερα, να ρωτησω κατι;
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| 11:13 | <alexxtasi[m]> Καλησπερα
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| 11:13 | Αυτο το καναλι ειναι στα αγγλικα... καλυτερα να ρωτησεις στο #ts.sch.gr
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| 12:52 | <XoMeLLyoX> Okay guys I'm back and need help. I don't think anyone answered me last night so let's try again today. We are running LTSP5 on Debian 8. We have some HP 20" monitors with a resolution of 1600x900. We can't seem to get the monitor resolution to set correctly. We tried the following: X_MODE_0=1600x900, XRANDR_COMMAND_1="xrandr --output DVI-1 --mode 1920x1080 --left-of DVI-0" and even XRANDR_MODE_0=1600x900 with NO luck. Can anyone help
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| 12:59 | On the XRANDR_COMMAND we tried 1600x900 res. It just doesn't show it on that command because we were trying different resolutions.
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| 13:35 | <alkisg> XoMeLLyoX: what's the output of `xrandr | nc termbin.com 9999` ?
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| 13:35 | (on the client...)
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| 13:51 | <XoMeLLyoX> We are not running flat clients. So it would be the output of the server.
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| 13:51 | fat*
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> XoMeLLyoX: no, because xrandr asks the xserver, which is running on the client
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| 14:08 | Anyways, without the output of xrandr, I can't help.
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| 14:29 | <XoMeLLyoX> k, hang on, let me get the output
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| 14:48 | <alkisg> You can also do this, if you want, but it's not necessary:
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| 14:48 | !localxterm
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| 14:48 | <ltsp`> localxterm: Any applications that you launch on a thin client actually runs on the server, not on the client itself. If you want to open a program on the client locally, you can type 'ltsp-localapps <program>' in a run dialog or in a terminal. For example, 'ltsp-localapps xterm' to open a terminal running on the client.
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| 14:51 | <XoMeLLyoX> Okay here it is:
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| 14:51 | http://termbin.com/bk8m
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| 14:52 | Thank you for that tip about ltsp-localapps
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| 14:54 | We have X_MODE_0=1600x900 right now in the lts.conf but only are getting 1024x768 resolution.
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> As you can see, this card has 2 outputs, LVDS and DVI
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| 14:56 | <XoMeLLyoX> That is correct. We are using DVI
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| 14:57 | <alkisg> And you're currently using the LVDS output, which has a maximum resolution of 1024
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| 14:57 | The DVI-0 output has no * resolution, no active resolution
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| 14:57 | Now, you can test things this way:
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| 14:58 | <XoMeLLyoX> There are (2) DVIs on that particular thin client. I wonder if the one that's plugged in is LVDS-0
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| 14:58 | Wait a sec.. I take that back. There's not.
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> xrandr --output LVDS-0 --off --output DVI-0 --auto; sleep 10; xrandr --output LVDS-0 --auto --output DVI-0 --auto
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| 14:59 | This lets you test an xrandr command, while reverting after 10 sec
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| 14:59 | <XoMeLLyoX> k
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> If your card has 2 outputs, you might be using the wrong one
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| 14:59 | <XoMeLLyoX> So let me ask you.. In that pastebin I see where it says LVDS and DVI connected. VGA is disconnected
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> Right
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| 15:01 | <XoMeLLyoX> Why does it show DVI connected if it isnt?
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| 15:01 | I'm learning here =)
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> + means "the auto mode"
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| 15:01 | * means "the active mode"
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| 15:02 | So, LVDS-0 has an active mode
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| 15:02 | <XoMeLLyoX> Ahhhh gotcha
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| 15:02 | <alkisg> DVI-0 would get 1600x900 if it was connected
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| 15:02 | Are you using some kind of adapter or screen splitter or anything like that?
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| 15:02 | DVI to VGA, or whatever?
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| 15:02 | <XoMeLLyoX> No it just plugs straight into the thin client
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> What kind of connectivity options does it have, one DVI and one VGA?
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| 15:05 | <XoMeLLyoX> (2) DVIs
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| 15:05 | Which register usually as DVI-0 and DVI-1
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| 15:06 | We have the same setup in other offices and use Asus 22" monitors that we have no problems with
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| 15:06 | And those always register as DVI-1 and DVI-0
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> Can you try plugging the monitor into the other DVI adapter?
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| 15:07 | <XoMeLLyoX> Yes I am going to have them do that. They said they tried it last night but didn't work. But I am going to have them try again
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> The kernel and xorg and mesa versions some times break things...
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| 15:07 | <XoMeLLyoX> Ahhh
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> They might have omitted the rebooting part
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| 15:08 | Have them connect the monitor to the other dvi, then reboot, then send the output of xrandr
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| 15:08 | <XoMeLLyoX> k
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| 15:14 | <XoMeLLyoX> http://www.termbin.com/igzl
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| 15:14 | Still shows connnected to LVDS
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| 15:14 | <al-geo> alkisg on debian server the command "ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --fat-client-desktop task-xfce-desktop" didnt creates /opt/ltsp/i386.img just i386 dir . what to do? i want to copy both to ubuntu server in /opt/ltsp directory
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| 15:19 | <XoMeLLyoX> @alkisg, that command you gave me you worked! So just put that into the XRANDR_COMMAND in lts.conf, right?
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| 15:19 | that command you gave me worked*
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| 15:19 | I'm half asleep
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| 15:19 | hahaha
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| 15:35 | <XoMeLLyoX> Okay, I set it as this: XRANDR_COMMAND_1="xrandr --output LVDS-0 --off --output DVI-1 --auto; sleep 10; xrandr --output LVDS-0 --auto --output DVI-1 --auto"
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| 15:36 | And that did not work. But that command does work when setting it on the thin client itself
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| 15:40 | Nevermind. I changed the argument to say xrander --output LVDS-0 --off --output DVI-1 and it worked! It was a long night working on this stuff so I'm half asleep..
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| 15:40 | Thank you so much for your help @alkisg!!
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> XoMeLLyoX: don't put the sleep call there
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| 15:40 | XRANDR_COMMAND_1 should be one command, not 2 xrandr commands with 1 sleep between them
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> Ah sorry didn't read the follow up :)
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| 15:40 | <XoMeLLyoX> hahaha Yeah I realized that
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> OK, cool
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| 15:40 | <XoMeLLyoX> Like I said.. Long night
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| 15:40 | Thank you so much.
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> np
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| 15:40 | * alkisg waves, later... | |
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| 17:49 | <alkisg> al-geo: you can copy the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory, and run ltsp-update-image on the ubuntu server
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| 17:49 | Assuming it didn't produce any errors while ltsp-build-client was running...
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| 21:33 | <v4169sgr> Hi, looking for a method to install ltsp on 64 bit server 16.04.02 for 32 bit clients, with DHCP on an unconfigurable router box.
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| 21:40 | <vlt> v4169sgr: Should work fine, except for the unconfigurable DHCP part.
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| 21:41 | <v4169sgr> Yes :) So wonder how to get the client using the DHCP server on the router box. Am using LTSP-PNP on a 32 bit install on the server & it is working fine atm with that unconfigurable router, but thinking of my options as there is an issue with IO perf on 4.4 and 4.8 kernels on 32 bit
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| 21:42 | ProxyDHCP would be perfect but the manual is well out of date: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 21:43 | So am wondering about how to approach this for 64 bit
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| 21:43 | 16.04.02
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