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| 15:41 | <bennabiy> alkisg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1324145 should be easy to fix? I experienced the same thing recently.
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| 15:49 | <bucko> did someone encounter such problem?
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| 15:49 | http://s29.postimg.org/xviqo3apz/error.png
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| 15:49 | server is gentoo in xen
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| 21:06 | <championofcyrodi> anyone know how to modify lts.conf to use the hostname derived from DHCP server for clients?
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| 21:07 | I believe I need to pass it as a kernel parameter in the pxelinux.cfg?
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| 21:07 | <vagrantc> it should do that by default...
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| 21:07 | unless you've changed something
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| 21:08 | <championofcyrodi> my LTSP server is not the DHCP server.
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| 21:09 | <vagrantc> it doesn't care what your server is, the code just makes up a hostname "ltspXXX" based on the ip address assigned.
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| 21:09 | <gbaman> vagrantc: for ltsp-build-client I am using a proxy (apt-cache-ng), for the http-proxy parameter is it just the address:port or the full "Acquire::http { proxy "http://10.0.5.190:3142"; };"
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| 21:09 | <vagrantc> or it uses one assigned by the dhcp server
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| 21:10 | gbaman: --http-proxy http://10.0.5.190:3142
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| 21:10 | <championofcyrodi> well the IP on the thick client im using now is : 192.168.2.43, while it's host name is ltsp550
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| 21:10 | <gbaman> vagrantc: or seeing as I am using the config file, HTTP-PROXY=10.0.5.190:3142
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| 21:10 | awesome, thanks
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| 21:10 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: what's your netmask?
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| 21:10 | <championofcyrodi> I'm thinking perhaps the hostname was not specified in the dhcp entry
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| 21:10 | <gbaman> after 20+ raspbian builds, think it is about time i set up apt-cache-ng :)
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| 21:11 | <vagrantc> gbaman: export HTTP_PROXY= ...
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| 21:11 | gbaman: yes. probably well past due.
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| 21:11 | <championofcyrodi> the entry is only in the DNS sever
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| 21:11 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: what entry is in the DNS server?
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| 21:11 | <championofcyrodi> for the IP 192.168.2.43
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| 21:11 | <vagrantc> championofcyrodi: er ^^
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| 21:12 | <championofcyrodi> the DHCP entry which assigns an IP to the client
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| 21:12 | <vagrantc> championofcyrodi: if the DNS server has an entry, it should use that.
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| 21:12 | <championofcyrodi> it doesnt seem to be
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| 21:13 | <vagrantc> championofcyrodi: so, let's clarify ...
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| 21:13 | championofcyrodi: it has a DNS entry, and you would like it to use that?
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| 21:13 | <championofcyrodi> yes
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| 21:13 | <vagrantc> championofcyrodi: what distro?
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| 21:13 | <championofcyrodi> ubuntu 14.04
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| 21:14 | The IP my thick client has is 192.168.2.38. nslookup of 192.168.2.38 resolves the host name 'nuc3.<domain>'
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| 21:15 | However, the host name that the thick client has is 'ltsp550'
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| 21:15 | <vagrantc> right
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| 21:16 | <championofcyrodi> reading: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/natty/man5/lts.conf.5.html implies my HOSTNAME is auto-generated if no hostname is set.
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| 21:16 | <vagrantc> right
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| 21:17 | championofcyrodi: i think you need to get your DHCP server to pass the DNS entries
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| 21:17 | <championofcyrodi> But I'm not sure how to set the HOSTNAME in a dynamic fashion, so that all thick clients on the network resolve their own hostname
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| 21:17 | that sounds reasonable
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| 21:18 | option host-name "nuc3.<domain>";
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| 21:18 | something like that should work, no?
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| 21:18 | <vagrantc> you *might* be able to drop a snippet into ltsp_config.d that does a reverse-lookup of the ip address and sets HOSTNAME appropriately.
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| 21:18 | championofcyrodi: probably.
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| 21:19 | championofcyrodi: do you have a DNS entry for every machine?
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| 21:19 | <championofcyrodi> yes
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| 21:19 | <vagrantc> championofcyrodi: er, DHCP entry
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| 21:19 | <championofcyrodi> yes
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| 21:19 | (to both)
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| 21:19 | <vagrantc> ok, that makes it simple, then.
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| 21:19 | you just have to maintain it both in DNS and in DHCP
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| 21:20 | you might be able to auto-generate rules for them, if they fall into certain ranges...
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| 21:20 | both in DNS and in DHCP...
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| 21:20 | but for starters, see if it works setting it manually for that one
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| 21:22 | <championofcyrodi> my understanding was that the DHCP server only points out the TFTP server with the kernel image for PXEBOOT. And after that, it's up to the nbd served image to resolve it's own host name during the boot process. Does that sound accurate to you?
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| 21:22 | <vagrantc> no
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| 21:23 | it doesn't, by default, resolve it's hostname... it needs to get that information from somewhere
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| 21:23 | either through DHCP, or through lts.conf
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| 21:23 | you could add a hook that does that, if you wanted.
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| 21:24 | might be worth integrating upstream, actually...
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| 21:24 | heh. hostname configuration comes after resolv.conf configuration ... that'll be tricky.
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| 21:24 | <bucko> hey :) can anybody help me with this problem: http://s29.postimg.org/xviqo3apz/error.png ... i have no clue what i'm doing wrong... server is gentoo under xen and client gets its kernel..
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| 21:25 | <championofcyrodi> so the reason I'm trying to do this, is because I have an issue with 1 client, in that it takes a very long time for the ssh session to authenticate and then times out. SO i thought it was reverse dns lookup maybe
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| 21:26 | <bucko> you could shut down in ssh?
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| 21:26 | <vagrantc> though technically i don't think it needs to be that way...
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| 21:26 | championofcyrodi: yeah, that's probably reverse DNS lookups
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| 21:26 | championofcyrodi: sshing to or from the client?
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| 21:26 | <championofcyrodi> from
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| 21:27 | <bucko> then maybe your primari DNS is wrong and it's waiting for ttl to die and then resolves prom secundary?
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| 21:27 | <vagrantc> championofcyrodi: although that sounds like the server is having issues with it's DNS servers, not what the client thinks it's hostname is.
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| 21:28 | <gbaman> vagrantc: HTTP-PROXY=10.0.5.190:3142 inside the config file failed
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| 21:28 | <vagrantc> gbaman: that's because you broke it.
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| 21:28 | <gbaman> but --http-proxy http://10.0.5.190:3142 on the end of the command didnt
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| 21:28 | <vagrantc> gbaman: "export HTTP_PROXY=10.0.5.190:3142"
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| 21:29 | <gbaman> why is it down as an option in the man page?
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| 21:29 | is same format as all the other options
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| 21:29 | <vagrantc> gbaman: note the difference between HTTP-PROXY and HTTP_PROXY ...
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| 21:29 | gbaman: one is valid shell variable name, the other is not.
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| 21:30 | <gbaman> but why does HTTP-PROXY=10.0.5.190:3142 inside the config file not work and --http-proxy http://10.0.5.190:3142 works?
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| 21:31 | <vagrantc> gbaman: please re-read the last two things i said.
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| 21:32 | <gbaman> why use 2 different ones though when none of the other commands do?
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| 21:32 | <vagrantc> huh?
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| 21:32 | <gbaman> And using "export HTTP_PROXY=10.0.5.190:3142" would also export it for the main server
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| 21:33 | <vagrantc> you cannot have a - in the variable name.
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| 21:33 | <gbaman> which I dont want
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| 21:33 | as they both have the same package names
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| 21:33 | ubuntu and debian
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| 21:33 | <vagrantc> ah, it's lower-case.
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| 21:33 | <gbaman> so http-proxy=10.0.5.190:3142 in the config file would work?
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| 21:33 | <vagrantc> that used to be a big problem with apt-cacher-ng ... you couldn't have identical packages from different distros...
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| 21:34 | gbaman: no, because "-" is not valid in a shell variable name
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| 21:34 | <gbaman> Thats why I am not using it for the host OS, only the chroot being generated
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| 21:34 | so if I exported it, it would be exported for both
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| 21:34 | <vagrantc> gbaman: you can put it in the ltsp-build-client.conf
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| 21:35 | gbaman: it needs to be exported, because it's not ltsp-build-client calling it.
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| 21:35 | it's a subcommand of ltsp-build-client that needs the variable set.
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| 21:35 | well, a variety of subcommands...
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| 21:36 | <gbaman> ok, think I get it now
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| 21:36 | <vagrantc> gbaman: so "export http_proxy=10.0.5.190:3142" in the ltsp-build-client.conf
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| 21:36 | <gbaman> just noticing the other commands in the config file use _ instead of -
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| 21:36 | <vagrantc> it's lower-case because that's the variable that apt, wget, etc. are looking for.
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| 21:37 | <gbaman> I didn't know they were being taken has environmental variables from the config file
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| 21:37 | thought they were being parsed as options
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| 21:37 | <vagrantc> gbaman: just type this on a commandline: test-variable=foo
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| 21:37 | gbaman: and then: test_variable=foo
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| 21:38 | <gbaman> yeah, get it now
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| 21:38 | thought they were always meant to be caps?
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| 21:38 | <vagrantc> caps and lower-case in shell variables is pretty arbitrary.
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| 21:38 | <gbaman> :)
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| 21:39 | <vagrantc> typically, globally exported variables are all caps, but that's by no means technically required.
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| 21:39 | <gbaman> would assume then apt would like it caps?
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| 21:39 | <vagrantc> or encforced... or consistant.
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| 21:39 | gbaman: for whatever reason, http_proxy is always lower-case, as far as i can tell.
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| 21:40 | <gbaman> ok
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| 21:40 | am properly starting to flesh out Raspi-LTSP now
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| 21:41 | Added auto backups the other day
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| 21:41 | and user management inside it
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| 21:41 | Removed a lot of the options on setup
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| 21:41 | <vagrantc> i guess the ltsp-build-client http-proxy plugin could export http_proxy if set, to simplify use in the configuration file...
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| 21:42 | as i dont think it will work if you just set it and don't export it...
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| 21:42 | <gbaman> ..
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| 21:42 | it is working
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| 21:43 | <gbaman> stuff is getting downloaded in the log file
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| 21:44 | * vagrantc wonders if apt-cacher-ng still has that bug of not supporting multiple distros | |
| 21:44 | <vagrantc> i really like that you can specify it as a proxy
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| 21:45 | i remember saying i would test out a bug a while back, but didn't ask for a bug report, and now i forgot...
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| 21:45 | was it bennabiy or gbaman who brought it up?
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| 21:46 | <gbaman> dont think it was me?
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| 21:46 | <vagrantc> i guess there were the bugs with --locale
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| 21:46 | <gbaman> haha
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| 21:46 | i seem to break everything :)
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| 21:47 | anyways, going to leave that to hum away
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| 21:47 | thanks for help
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| 21:49 | <bucko> @vagrantc ... could you look at my problem now? ;)
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| 22:22 | <vagrantc> bucko: i don't really know gentoo at all
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| 22:23 | bucko: and it's failing in a pretty gentoo-specific spot
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| 22:25 | <bucko> yeah -.- there are good things about gentoo and there are this things :D i'm writing to ltsp-discuss list so hopefully somebody could help me there :)
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| 22:29 | <vagrantc> my guess is perhaps some trouble connecting to the NBD server? or possibly with DHCP server settings
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| 22:36 | <bucko> i use nfs and it seems like it's getting kernel and initramfs files when PXE starts so dhcp should be ok
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| 22:36 | i uploaded a video of booting ... http://tinypic.com/r/30m74bc/8 ...
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| 22:36 | <vagrantc> bucko: yes, but it may need to make a second DHCP request from the initramfs that might not be getting the correct NBD server information
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| 22:36 | or NFS
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| 22:37 | it seems like it's broken in the initramfs -> real root filesystem transition
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| 22:37 | at least from your first URL
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| 22:43 | <bucko> will do some digging
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| 22:57 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: 05:09:29 PM - gbaman: vagrantc: for ltsp-build-client I am using a proxy (apt-cache-ng), for the http-proxy parameter is it just the address:port or the full "Acquire::http { proxy "http://10.0.5.190:3142"; };"
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| 22:57 | is that the thing you were referring to?
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| 22:57 | It was not me :)
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| 22:59 | <vagrantc> no
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| 22:59 | i think it was the --locale stuff
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| 22:59 | <bennabiy> ah,
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| 23:00 | If I asked you to test something, I do not remember it... although I do have a vague memory of needing something from you.
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| 23:00 | Oh well, if I remember, I will ask
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