IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 19 December 2019 (all times are UTC)
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| 11:42 | <kvaps> alkisg, could you trigger ltsp-cloud build please?
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> kvaps: hello, sure
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| 11:43 | <kvaps> (y)
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| 11:43 | <alkisg> (done)
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| 11:43 | <kvaps> thanks!
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| 12:42 | <meo> I just realized greek has the exact same phonemes as russian
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| 13:04 | <kvaps> > I just realized greek has the exact same phonemes as russian
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| 13:04 | Yep, and both are using cyrillic letters
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| 13:05 | But I'm russian and I can't fully recognize greek ones, they are so different xD
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| 13:23 | <meo> kvaps: cyrillic alphabet is not exactly greek
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| 13:23 | But I was just listening to a greek song on spotify and the individual sounds are extremely close to russian
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| 14:12 | <alkisg> kvaps: cyrillus was sent by greeks to invent an alphabet to slavs
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| 14:13 | That's why he used some greek characters for it
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| 14:13 | He was from thessaloniki
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| 14:14 | <fiesh> major fail if you ask me, inventing new characters needlessly...
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| 14:27 | <alkisg> The pronunciation is different so he couldn't map the existing chars exactly
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| 14:39 | <kvaps> I like this picture http://www.sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=196
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> Nice! That seems like languages, not alphabets though
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| 14:56 | https://i1.wp.com/starkeycomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Starkey-Comics-Family-Tree-of-ABCD.jpg?resize=697%2C816&ssl=1
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| 15:20 | <kvaps> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1835/6621/files/alphabet-evolution.2.png?v=1533064248
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| 15:26 | <meo> alkisg: he did borrow ש from the jews
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| 15:26 | the development of languages is amazing
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> alkisg: so, hoping to have time to work on ltsp in debian in the coming days/week ... there seem to be a lot of fixes pushed to master since your tag ... would it make sense to do a 19.12.1 for the debian upload?
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| 17:15 | <alkisg> vagrantc: sure!
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| 17:16 | I'm going on a trip tomorrow so I can't really help, but master should even be better now compared to 19.12, so if you want to tag+release, please go ahead!
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| 17:16 | bbl :)
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> will see how distracted i get, but was hoping to work on it today and tomorrow :)
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| 17:18 | <fiesh> alkisg: sure, but that applies to all languages that share characters, Roman or Chinese or Arabic...
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| 17:20 | <kvaps> alkisg, I just found one bug which went to package, I need to trigger rebuild for last ltsp-cloud release
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| 17:21 | can I trigger it by myself? Is launchpad providing some webhook feature?
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| 17:28 | <yopla2> Hello, trying to setup ltsp with my custom needs with the help of https://github.com/ltsp/community/wiki/Single-guest-session-over-NFS
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| 17:29 | I need to mix one guest readonly user with standard mate users.
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| 17:31 | I can't find which is the config to say guest user= custom desktop and others = default desktop
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| 17:32 | Should I rsync guest-user templates in POST_INIT ?
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| 17:56 | <yopla2> OK, put rsync cmd int POST_INIT is working
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| 17:56 | Then just need to adjust .xsessionrc :)
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| 18:00 | <alkisg> yopla2: you should rsync when the session starts, from /usr/share/xsessions/mysession.desktop
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| 18:00 | This works with or without ltsp, and with both wayland and xorg
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| 18:07 | <yopla2> ligthdm auto checks for login.desktop file ?
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| 18:08 | <alkisg> All desktop managers run /usr/share/xsession/session.desktop files; that's what they do
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| 18:08 | It's the main script of the session
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| 18:08 | <yopla2> yes but I have 2. mate.desktop and openbox.desktop
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| 18:09 | and i need another one only for guest user
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| 18:09 | <alkisg> Yes, and you can put whatever code you want on whichever one of them
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| 18:09 | So you'd have three, mate, openbox, and guest.desktop, and the guest would reset home
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| 18:10 | <yopla2> yes that the goal
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| 18:10 | <alkisg> Or, you can have only two, mate and openbox, and check if the user name is guest*, then reset, otherwise don't reset
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| 18:10 | It's just scripts; you can do whatever you want with them
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| 18:12 | <yopla2> OK thanks. I'll try with guest.desktop then
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| 18:12 | <alkisg> Will the guest be able to select mate or openbox?
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| 18:12 | Or will you force the session for him?
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| 18:13 | <yopla2> force session
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| 18:14 | <alkisg> OK, some display managers do support that
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| 18:14 | Not sure how many of them support it on a per-user basis
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| 18:15 | <yopla2> and not lightdm then
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| 18:16 | <alkisg> yopla2: do your users use the openbox session, or it just got installed by mistake?
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| 18:17 | <yopla2> openbox is for my guest login.
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| 18:17 | <alkisg> No then
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| 18:17 | So what you want is to only provide one session
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| 18:17 | mate.desktop
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| 18:17 | All users log in with that one
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| 18:17 | <yopla2> A minimalist wm which lauche vmware-view client
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| 18:17 | <alkisg> i.e. POST_INIT_RM_OPENBOX="rm ...openbox.desktop"
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| 18:18 | Now, you provide a script that overrides mate session
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| 18:18 | And if you detect that username=guest*, then you run "reset; run openbox"
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| 18:18 | If username isn't guest, you run mate-session
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| 18:19 | <yopla2> yes could be a good idea
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| 18:21 | <alkisg> So, you can just create a /usr/local/bin/mate-session script, you don't need to edit any .desktop files
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| 18:21 | <yopla2> good idea
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| 18:23 | a mate-session-unless-guest script
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| 18:23 | <alkisg> Yes, but you must name it mate-session to override /usr/bin/mate-session
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| 18:23 | If it has a different name, then it won't work
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| 18:23 | <yopla2> I see
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| 18:24 | as /usr/loal/bin is prior to /usr/bin
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| 18:24 | <alkisg> Right
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| 18:24 | <yopla2> neat
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| 18:24 | <alkisg> And at the end of it, you could chain to the real session with: exec /usr/bin/mate-session "$@"
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| 18:25 | (or openbox, depending on guest or not)
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| 18:25 | <yopla2> OK.
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| 18:27 | Another dumb question. get vars from ltsp.conf is possible ?
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| 18:29 | <alkisg> The easiest way to do that would be to make it an ltsp applet, i.e. to put the real script inside /usr/share/ltsp/client/session/55-session
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| 18:30 | I'll probably need to write a wiki page about that when I get some free time :/
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| 18:49 | <yopla2> OK.thank you for all
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| 20:02 | <vagrantc> alkisg: man pages are broken again
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| 20:05 | * vagrantc doesn't seem to have ltsp ipxe --overwrite | |
| 20:07 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ltsp --overwrite ipxe
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| 20:07 | Also, overwrite is the default now, no need to provide it
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| 20:07 | How are man pages broken, what's the output?
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| 20:09 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's definitely not default
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| 20:09 | alkisg: they aren't generated when building the package
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| 20:10 | alkisg: or at least, ltsp --overwrite ipxe ... skipped updating snponly.efi and similar
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| 20:10 | <alkisg> vagrantc: that's only for ltsp.ipxe
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| 20:10 | The binaries have another overwrite/redownload flag
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| 20:11 | ltsp ipxe --binaries
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| 20:11 | ltsp ipxe --binaries=1
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| 20:11 | -b, --binaries=[0|1|""] Reinstall the iPXE binaries in TFTP even if they already exist. Defaults to "", which
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| 20:11 | means "only install the missing ones". Note that the --overwrite flag doesn't affect
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| 20:11 | the binaries, they're only contolled by the --binaries flag.
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| 20:11 | <vagrantc> https://paste.debian.net/1121808/
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| 20:11 | <alkisg> vagrantc: preparing for the trip, will have to look at the manpage building another day :/
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| 20:12 | <vagrantc> ah, i didn't understand what you meant
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yes,that's by design...
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| 20:12 | <vagrantc> alkisg: or i just fix it :)
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> Sure!
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| 20:12 | <vagrantc> ok, so --overwrite is just the configuration files, and --binaries is for updating the binaries
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> Right
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| 20:12 | As people usually don't want to redownload the binaries all the time
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| 20:12 | <vagrantc> good thing i misunderstood, or might not have noticed the missing manpages :)
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 20:13 | vagrantc: if you want, ping me when you find why they're broken... I can't imagine why
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| 20:14 | <vagrantc> yup :)
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| 20:14 | * vagrantc wonders how to check the ppa | |
| 20:15 | <vagrantc> well, how to easily check the ppa ... i know *how*
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| 20:16 | <alkisg> Not sure what "check" means... to install from the ppa?
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| 20:16 | To check if it contains the man pages?
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| 20:17 | <vagrantc> right
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| 20:17 | to see if it's something in the different build environments
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| 20:17 | it's the first thing i'd check, anyways
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| 20:17 | <alkisg> wgethttps://launchpad.net/~ltsp/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+files/ltsp_19.12-1+201912151738~ubuntu20.04.1_all.deb
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| 20:18 | <vagrantc> i swear this was a problem last time i uploaded ltsp too
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| 20:18 | thanks
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| 20:18 | <alkisg> dpkg -c ltsp_19.12-1+201912151738~ubuntu20.04.1_all.deb
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| 20:18 | It does have them
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| 20:18 | <vagrantc> yup
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| 20:18 | so either a change on master, or something weird with the different build environments
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| 20:19 | <alkisg> I don't think I touched anything related to man page building since the last time
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| 20:19 | <vagrantc> famous last ...
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| 20:19 | :)
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| 20:19 | <alkisg> :D
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| 20:22 | <vagrantc> they're definitely present in ltsp 19.11-1 in debian...
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| 20:39 | <vagrantc> maybe there's a regression somewhere in dh_installman
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| 20:42 | * vagrantc rebuilds on buster to see | |
| 20:43 | <alkisg> vagrantc: check dates on https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/tree/master/debian; I don't see any recent changes
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| 20:44 | <vagrantc> no, that doesn't work either
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| 20:44 | this is perplexing ... it's generating the man pages, it's just not installing them
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| 20:48 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I changed compat from 9 to 10, but I don't think that should make any difference, and also it was before 19.11...
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| 20:50 | * vagrantc is rebuilding 19.11-1 now to compare | |
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| 20:55 | <vagrantc> yeah, 19.11-1 rebuilt with today's dependencies also doesn't generate man pages...
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| 20:55 | there's definitely some new code in debhelper regarding man pages...
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| 21:04 | <vagrantc> pffts.
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| 21:04 | Environment: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="parallel=5 noautodbgsym nodoc"
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| 21:04 | well. you can shoot yourself in the foot all day long.
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| 21:05 | * vagrantc tries again | |
| 21:06 | <vagrantc> it's almost like the tool was doing what i told it to do...
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| 21:12 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 21:17 | <vagrantc> ok, other than my own self-induced problems, it seems good.
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| 21:19 | oh, i should actually test on bullseye
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